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11-11-2009, 11:37 PM #1
Dibs etiquette (A rant that belongs in padded room)
This belongs in padded room, but deals with gear swap so whatever.
This idiot really bothers me, which triggered this rant.
I had two occasions recently where I was trying to purchase spats and having dibs/money just wasnt good enough.
1. Had dibs on a pair of spats, and had agreed to buy it from the person. Someone else was second in line showed up at the persons door with cash and bought it. The seller mentioned he wanted cash in a hurry after the sale was done, but with paypal etc, thats not all that difficult wherever you are.
2. A thread i started with WTB: spats had a few people respond. One of those ended up being sold to another person who saw this thread and PMed the person who offered the spats. Do I have implied dibs if I put up a WTB?
In the end its just a sale, but Ive seen a lot of mags on here uphold dibs.
Whats next? An egay sort of bidding?! Offering a sixer on top of the previous best offer?! jeez.
11-11-2009, 11:41 PM #2
What is the 'dibs' of which you speak?
Sellers choose which mags they deal with. And then typically send them the shit.
You want a perfectly organized rule-bound system, go to EGay or where-ever.
This works here, hang around for a whileThe blues has always been about taking your problems and turning them into something you can dance to, drink to and fuck to.
We're certainly not a blues band in any kind of purest sense, but to me Rock and Roll has always had it's roots in that tradition.
Patterson Hood of the DBT's
11-11-2009, 11:46 PM #3
I see your point but a seller is free to transact with anyone they choose. I try to add stuff like "Local Buyer Preferred" if that is the case but it certainly isn't necessary. Half the people who call dibs in Gear Swap flake out once they look at their bank account, sober up, consult the wife, etc etc, anyway. I like Splat's take when selling his blems (and I am paraphrasing) - fuck dibs, the first $$$ into my PayPal account gets the skis!
Up until the point the seller says, "I accept your offer, here is my addy / PayPal email!" I think the goods are fair game."Buy the Fucking Plane Tickets!"
-- Jack Tackle
11-11-2009, 11:55 PM #4
first this has already been covered before search.
second what ty has said.
third seller has control of dib priorities obviously he is the seller, he can sell to whoever he wants, and not sell to whoever he wants for his own reasons. like you said this isnt click "buy it now" egay. as long as no currency/paypal or verbal exchange of "the ______ will be sold to you" sort of statement. you arent really "entitled" to anythingyes its true you are a good woman, then again you may be the antichrist
08/09-- i quit counting
11-11-2009, 11:56 PM #5
And even then, when the seller messages the buyer that the offer is accepted and presents the final price, the buyer often takes time (days) or flakes out. I often include a line saying that I accept your offer and will expect payment by XX:XX. That might be perceived as rude, but at least it's clear. It's a deal, if you pay within some reasonable time defined by me.
11-11-2009, 11:59 PM #6yes its true you are a good woman, then again you may be the antichrist
08/09-- i quit counting
11-12-2009, 12:05 AM #7
We have all missed deals we wish we didn't wether its timing or something else. All I can say is don't worry your pair will come. The longer your around and more you help others out the better your luck gets.a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
11-12-2009, 12:18 AM #8
As for the other deal, the person could have just been dealing with a friend or a friend of a friend. It's always easier to deal with someone you know.
11-12-2009, 12:24 AM #9
You win some, you lose some.
11-12-2009, 12:39 AM #10
It's hard sometimes...but it all seems to work out in the end. I've had nothing but positive experiences so far...
11-12-2009, 01:23 AM #11
1. Dibs was implied, but seller is free to be a dick. Disclosing selling terms after the sale = not cool.
2. WTB does not imply dibs.
Cutting in Line:
You're waiting in line at a retail cash register with some gear that you are going to buy. Someone runs up, takes your stuff, throws money at the cashier, and runs out.
Is this right?holy fucking shitballs
11-12-2009, 01:50 AM #12
I am not concerned about the sales I missed out on. I know It will come around someday. I guess I did feel entitled to try and finalise a deal first since i called it first, mainly from what I saw of how things worked out here on a lot of other sales. Actually one of the mags I was trying to buy the spat from pointed me to the other for sale thread. I love this community in the few months that Ive been on it and have gotten a large amount of gear from here and have had nothing but positive experiences.
What bothered me is the quoted post where the guy is blatantly cutting the people ahead of him because it is a good deal.A good amount of stuff that people sell here can possibly be sold in other places for more than it would get on TGR. Which also means that a lot of people can afford to pay more than the listed price and still walk away thinking they got a good deal. Other than obvious reasons like more traffic, faster sale etc, I think there are people who genuinely want to hook someone else up with a good deal on good equipment and it boils down to a loosely connected internet community with a common passion that watches out for each other. It is not always a matter of finance or logistics.
If i find something on Craigslist that is a high demand item that I want, I might be tempted to offer up more than listed to go behind any other existing offers. Similarly when I sell I wouldnt think twice about just taking the best/fastest offer (most of the time). Dont think I'll do that over here. Anyways, had more wine than I should.Thanks all for your inputs.
11-12-2009, 03:31 AM #13
Dibs = Dibs
Business = Business
Both subjects are unrelated because business is business
11-12-2009, 07:07 AM #14
As I always say: Dibs walks, money talks.
Dibs are for little pussies in grade school.Dollar sign that bitch.
11-12-2009, 07:49 AM #15
money talks and bullshit walks.
you want something, then payup, and they are yours.
11-12-2009, 07:55 AM #16
1. When you said you had agreed to buy them, what does that mean? You said I'll take them and were going to mail out a check? You were going to go to his door to pay cash but someone beat you?
2. If you start a WTB thread, have the money and be ready to use paypal. When someone makes you an offer that you like, send them money. If it's a WTB/feeler thread then I don't have too much sympathy for someone sniping you.
It all comes down to money. Having money and being ready to pay someone quick will get you what you want. But then we couldn't have the fun of yelling dibs!Originally Posted by Kenny Powers
11-12-2009, 07:56 AM #17
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11-12-2009, 08:41 AM #19
11-12-2009, 08:48 AM #20
I always try to honor dibs - to a point - as a seller. On those rare occasions when I have something multiple people want I follow the dibs, and give the first responder a reasonable time to pay. If I don't hear from them or they don't pay I move down the line and do the same thing until I have the $$ in my paypal. I have had people try to undercut with a slightly better offer or some other kind of shove, but I know I'd certainly like to be treated that way by a seller.
While it's true that business is business, I feel like dibs should have a somewhat higher value than many here seem to think it does. One of the primary principles in gear swap is honor, and I think the dibs concept has a role in the continuum.
11-12-2009, 08:52 AM #21Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
11-12-2009, 09:00 AM #22
the seller has the abolute right to sell to whomever they choose for whatever they wish.
i sell stuff all the time to a local person or friend for less than asking, cause i would rather sell it local or to someone i know, or think seems cool that some random cat i never heard of before.
11-12-2009, 09:01 AM #23
The thing I struggle with is when people call dibs and send no pm, or someone pm's me beforehand and never calls dibs in the thread... the "I'll take em" Pm.. I still feel obligated to this mag cause his pm came in before the poster posted dibs.. there should be some sort of rule for this
11-12-2009, 09:04 AM #24
11-12-2009, 09:07 AM #25
Good for you. And that is perfectly fine...but atleast they should give the person a heads up. Not be a tool and completely ignore them. IMO that is just as bad as a JONG that dibs and never pm's or just bails out. If you are gonna sell something, have the courtesy to let someone know they are not going to be considered. Because you have 1k+ posts and a older join date to a forum does not mean you are the coolest and most reliable and the newer member is a flake that has no intention of following through with their end. It's ok to cover your ass...just dont be a ass in the process.