Thread: Has Osama Bin Laden been dead for seven years?

There is some suggestive evidence that OBL has been dead for a long time:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ar-terror.html

And there's also the video of Benazir Bhutto stating matter-of-factly that Bin Laden was murdered -- just before she was assassinated herself:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg"]YouTube - Benazir Bhutto: Bin Laden was Murdered[/ame]

Discuss.

Now there's a conspiracy theory that'd actually work.

Out of interest where did you see a link to the Daily Mail? Not judging (this time ;-) ) Almost never used to see it linked but now it's getting quite frequent been wondering what they'd done to get increase in online noticeation.

I read many years ago that some anonymous govt insider type said he was dead, killed in a bombing, but because there was no body to photograph and make 100% confirmation, that we'd never hear an official statement.

A buddies college roomates best friends cousin, who knows somebody at the Pentagon said that he was killed and that his body was burned and the remains were dumped in a shit hole. Unfortunately they don't know which shit hole, and even if they did, current technology would not allow to identify bin Laden's shit from all the other shit in the shit hole. At least that's what I heard.

Originally Posted by Toadman

A buddies college roomates best friends cousin, who knows somebody at the Pentagon said that he was killed and that his body was burned and the remains were dumped in a shit hole. Unfortunately they don't know which shit hole, and even if they did, current technology would not allow to identify bin Laden's shit from all the other shit in the shit hole. At least that's what I heard.

Thanks! Finally some real proof he's dead!!!

I've been saying the dude's dead for at least 3 years.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Now there's a conspiracy theory that'd actually work.

It is awfully convenient that every time Bush needed a justification for more unconstitutional power grabs or more money for the war, OBL popped up again with another anti-American diatribe. And then there are all the other inconsistencies between the "new" Bin Laden (conveniently available only on terrible-quality video...like they dug a 20 year old Betamax camcorder with misaligned heads out of the dirt instead of using a $50 digital camera or a cell phone) and the old Bin Laden.

I don't think anything's provable, but it's awfully fishy. And what's with Benazir Bhutto saying "Bin Laden was killed" and not getting challenged or questioned by the interviewer? Seems like that would be the scoop of the year, and he just ignored her completely -- like it was something everyone already knew. Again, very fishy.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Out of interest where did you see a link to the Daily Mail?

Unfortunately I bookmarked that a while ago, so I don't remember. I have seen links to it thrown around, though, where I definitely didn't before (just the BBC, the Independent, etc.)

Originally Posted by Toadman

A buddies college roomates best friends cousin, who knows somebody at the Pentagon said that he was killed and that his body was burned and the remains were dumped in a shit hole. Unfortunately they don't know which shit hole, and even if they did, current technology would not allow to identify bin Laden's shit from all the other shit in the shit hole. At least that's what I heard.

I have seen the classified Presidential briefing memorandum on this very issue. What it actually said was:

"Jimmy "Keg Killer" Johnson's (of Theta Chi) friend, Paul "Biggie P" Warchovski's (also of Theta Chi) cousin, Jackie Warchovski spoke to an ex-CIA operative during a Theta Chi panty raid, who told Jackie Warchovski that Osama Bin Laden was killed and that his body was burned and the remains were dumped in a shit hole. Unfortunately the ex-operative could not recall where the shit hole was located. Even if the shit hole was known, current technology would not allow to identify bin Laden's shit from all the other shit in the shit hole. We find this intel to be reliable."

So yeah, you were very close.

I think Bin Laden has moved on with his life and he is now sitting on a beach somwhere in Florida living it up...

Originally Posted by cliffhucker

I think Bin Laden has moved on with his life and he is now sitting on a beach somwhere in Florida living it up...

...with hookers and blow, right?

Maybe he's dead, maybe he's not. But you can be damn sure if he's not, he'd like everyone to think he is for a while. Next to everything else we are spending on the war on terror it seems pretty inexpensive to keep the pressure on him on the off chance he is still alive.

Originally Posted by Spats

.........And there's also the video of Benazir Bhutto stating matter-of-factly that Bin Laden was murdered -- just before she was assassinated herself:........

Hmmm, with this....I could believe it...
This whole friggin' thing about Washington's Hunt for one dude...just to blame him for the 9/11 plot is pretty thick-headed to me. Just something to suit the Financial parties...sure you try to find the plotters, but the hijackers were most, if not all Saudis..y/n?...;-)
When the DOD is at war and it isn't likely to go nuclear = business is good.
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Originally Posted by Ripzalot

a video

I saw that. The human capacity for denial is impressive. Let's think about it rationally for a moment:

1) It's easy to understand Bhutto saying "OBL" by mistake and then correcting herself. But do you realistically think that a major politician -- an ex-President, with a long political career -- would accidentally confuse the world's most wanted terrorist and...DANIEL PEARL? Without realizing what came out of her mouth and correcting herself? Come on.
Even George W. Bush didn't slip up that badly: he mangled the English language terribly, but he managed to remember the difference between Osama Bin Laden and everyone else in the world. This argument rests entirely on the assertion that Benazir Bhutto is dumber than Dubya.

2) If she didn't mean to say "OBL", who the hell did she mean to say? Oh, Daniel Pearl. Why not? The two names are almost alike, and it's easy to confuse a white Western journalist and the most wanted terrorist in the world. Riiiiiight.
If Benazir Bhutto is capable of such huge verbal blunders, where are all the other videos showing her mistaking, say, Queen Elizabeth for Vladimir Putin? Oh, that's right, there aren't any -- because she's smart, articulate, and well-spoken. So much for that argument.

3) The video claims that she would have dropped that knowledge like a bombshell. This is bullshit too. If OBL had been dead for seven years, and she knew it, and the Bush administration knew it, she had seven years to get used to the fact -- and to forget that she wasn't supposed to mention it. So it slipped out, exactly how you'd imagine something like that to slip out.

4) "Why did she talk about OBL being alive after the interview?" Because she knew that she wasn't supposed to have mentioned it! Duhhhhh...

Seriously, Ripzalot: you know the litany of Bush lies:
http://www.iraqwar.org/adminlies.htm
What's more likely: one more lie from known pathological liars, or this bizarre tissue of excuses for why Bhutto didn't mean what she said -- clearly, distinctly, and without apology?

It wouldnt surprise me. In fact he probably is and we just don't know it. On meet the press this morning there seemed to be a consensus that there might be 100 al-qaeda fighters still left in Afganistan. That would indicate that likely he's no longer one of the living. I can't believe we haven't been better at tracking his money. That would tell us whether he is still in control of anything.

Originally Posted by Spats

I saw that. The human capacity for denial is impressive. Let's think about it rationally for a moment:

1) It's easy to understand Bhutto saying "OBL" by mistake and then correcting herself. But do you realistically think that a major politician -- an ex-President, with a long political career -- would accidentally confuse the world's most wanted terrorist and...DANIEL PEARL? Without realizing what came out of her mouth and correcting herself? Come on.
Even George W. Bush didn't slip up that badly: he mangled the English language terribly, but he managed to remember the difference between Osama Bin Laden and everyone else in the world. This argument rests entirely on the assertion that Benazir Bhutto is dumber than Dubya.

2) If she didn't mean to say "OBL", who the hell did she mean to say? Oh, Daniel Pearl. Why not? The two names are almost alike, and it's easy to confuse a white Western journalist and the most wanted terrorist in the world. Riiiiiight.
If Benazir Bhutto is capable of such huge verbal blunders, where are all the other videos showing her mistaking, say, Queen Elizabeth for Vladimir Putin? Oh, that's right, there aren't any -- because she's smart, articulate, and well-spoken. So much for that argument.

3) The video claims that she would have dropped that knowledge like a bombshell. This is bullshit too. If OBL had been dead for seven years, and she knew it, and the Bush administration knew it, she had seven years to get used to the fact -- and to forget that she wasn't supposed to mention it. So it slipped out, exactly how you'd imagine something like that to slip out.

4) "Why did she talk about OBL being alive after the interview?" Because she knew that she wasn't supposed to have mentioned it! Duhhhhh...

Seriously, Ripzalot: you know the litany of Bush lies:
http://www.iraqwar.org/adminlies.htm
What's more likely: one more lie from known pathological liars, or this bizarre tissue of excuses for why Bhutto didn't mean what she said -- clearly, distinctly, and without apology?

You make really good points, and taken by themselves they are pretty convincing. I'm certainly not above accepting a conspiracy theory(especially when the stakes/power involved are so high), but if we are going to build a conspiracy lets make sure we include all possible angels. Wasn't an audio of OBL released a couple of years ago in which he referenced specific recent events and that same audio was "verified" by the CIA as being the voice of OBL? So the CIA would have to be complicit in this ruse and no one is talking? That, in and of itself, seems a little far fetched. How many people would have to be in on this and not saying anything? Seems like too many for it to be plausible.

The human capacity for denial is impressive. Let's look at the facts about it rationally for a moment:

in the interview above, she is talking about Omar Sheik, the man who killed Daniel Pearl. in doing so she says "Osama Bin Laden". a big slip-up for sure but not an indicator of intelligence unless you think that Obama is an idiot for saying there are 57 states in the USA. you don't know how tired she might have been or how much duress she had been experiencing. furthermore, she seems to get a lot of facts wrong when talking about Omar Sheik just before she drops her supposed factual bomb:

[edit] Bhutto's allegations regarding Osama bin Laden's murder
In an interview given to David Frost on 2 November 2007, Benazir Bhutto states that Osama bin Laden was killed by Omar Sheikh.[19] She was assassinated 56 days later. Some people say the David Frost interview proves she had knowledge that would have given many people reasons to assassinate her. Her assassins are still free today.[20] Omar Chatriwala, a journalist for Al Jazeera English, claims that he chose not to pursue the story at the time because it was an apparent slip of the tongue and that Bhutto had meant to refer to Omar Sheikh as the killer of Daniel Pearl.[21] A month before the Frost interview, in Oct 2007, Bhutto stated in an interview that she would cooperate with the American military in targeting Osama bin Laden.[22]

If she really meant to say that Osama Bin Laden was dead, it was truly bizarre to announce such a big news item in an offhand way like that. The idea that she misspoke is substantiated by the fact that she had just completely bungled her statement about Omar Sheikh's involvement in the kidnapping of western tourists in India for which he served five years in prison. She said that he had decapitated three British tourists and three American tourists. Actually it was three British tourists and only one American tourist and none of them were decapitated, killed or even injured. They were abducted and Omar Sheikh was convicted of kidnapping them, but they were ultimately released unharmed. She seems to have been confusing the kidnapping of the British and American tourists in India with the decapitation of Daniel Pearl. Right after that, she makes the comment about Omar Sheikh being the murderer of Osama Bin Laden.

While it might seem implausible that she could somehow confuse the name Daniel Pearl with Osama Bin Laden, she might have been trying to say that Omar Sheikh was the murderer of Daniel Pearl and a close associate of Osama Bin Laden, which is true. Maybe instead of confusing the two names, she just accidentally left some words out. It is worth noting that Omar Sheikh's connection to Osama Bin Laden is reported to be so close that he has been said to be like a son to Osama Bin Laden and therefore Omar Sheikh might be one of the few people who could get close enough to him to murder Bin Laden. Then again, Omar Sheikh was arrested on or about February 12, 2002 by Pakistani police and at last report is still in prison, which somewhat limits when this alleged killing of Bin Laden could have occurred. While some people, especially Americans, think that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated because she had some knowledge of Osama Bin Laden being assassinated, and there is some evidence suggesting possible complicity of authorities in Pakistan, there was other information she was about to release which was much more threatening to General Musharraf's government relating to electoral fraud in Pakistan.[23]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sheikh[/ame]

there are several other interviews before and after this one where she said the similar things, not one about bin laden being murdered or even dead for that matter. if you can't be convinced it was a misspeak, then why wouldn't Frost, a seasoned and respected interviewer, not jump all over it? was Frost working with the Bush admin to keep fear alive?

also, there have been 4 audio tapes released by bin laden this year, two of which mention Obama by name. has the Obama admin concluded that they are fake? or is Obama using OBL as fear tactics now too?
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_of_Osama_bin_Laden[/ame]


considering the flub with facts on Omar Sheik, I think we can conclude that either a) she misspoke or b) she's an idiot or c) she "slipped up" and was speaking the truth, one-off, in the midst of other erroneous statements, without ever revisiting it or being challenged on it, and that the Bush and Obama admins have been furiously working to keep planting the seeds of doubt in wikipedia, the internet, and with absolute control over the media. which seems most likely?

Originally Posted by Ripzalot

The human capacity for denial is impressive. Let's look at the facts about it rationally for a moment:

in the interview above, she is talking about Omar Sheik, the man who killed Daniel Pearl. in doing so she says "Osama Bin Laden". a big slip-up for sure but not an indicator of intelligence unless you think that Obama is an idiot for saying there are 57 states in the USA. you don't know how tired she might have been or how much duress she had been experiencing. furthermore, she seems to get a lot of facts wrong when talking about Omar Sheik just before she drops her supposed factual bomb:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Sheikh

there are several other interviews before and after this one where she said the similar things, not one about bin laden being murdered or even dead for that matter. if you can't be convinced it was a misspeak, then why wouldn't Frost, a seasoned and respected interviewer, not jump all over it? was Frost working with the Bush admin to keep fear alive?

also, there have been 4 audio tapes released by bin laden this year, two of which mention Obama by name. has the Obama admin concluded that they are fake? or is Obama using OBL as fear tactics now too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videos_of_Osama_bin_Laden


considering the flub with facts on Omar Sheik, I think we can conclude that either a) she misspoke or b) she's an idiot or c) she "slipped up" and was speaking the truth, one-off, in the midst of other erroneous statements, without ever revisiting it or being challenged on it, and that the Bush and Obama admins have been furiously working to keep planting the seeds of doubt in wikipedia, the internet, and with absolute control over the media. which seems most likely?

DOnt let facts get in the way of a good theory!