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10-04-2009, 06:39 PM #1
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Why is it so hard to be wrong?
Why is it that it is so hard to be wrong these days? Why do people cling so fervently to long held beliefs?
If you are unwilling to accept the unsettling fact that everything you've believed to be true for years is a lie, then why do you debate them? Is it to make yourself angry and frustrated? Is it because you want to educate others? Because clearly you're unwilling to educate yourself.
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
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10-04-2009, 07:01 PM #2
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Along with my "I don't believe anything I read" thread, this could also go in the "WTF is wrong with America" thread.
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10-04-2009, 07:23 PM #3gunit130 Guest
Are you talking about religion? That is the #1 lie people need to let go.
I just don't see how you can be "raised" as one religion and not understand that others around the world were "raised" as another religion-- being "raised" as 'something' just means that you were indoctrinated as to not ask questions.
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10-04-2009, 08:59 PM #4
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But, if you were raised in the right religion, you would know that all the other religions are wrong.
Problem is that our culture is based on a foundation of lies, beginning with the fairy tale of the stork. Then Christmas and Santa Claus. It is absolutely disgusting to me how many parents will blatantly lie to their children about Santa and the easter bunny, tooth fairy, etc.... The fact that kids believe that nonsense so easily really should be an indicator of how easy it is to brainwash kids in to believing religion.
Religion is by far the biggest lie, and the biggest problem that we face as a species.
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10-04-2009, 09:09 PM #5gunit130 Guest
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You can learn calculus in school, learn about the solar system, wind, solar power, and modern plumbing, but you can't learn about the fact that the religion that was taught to you as child is nothing more than a false reality bestowed upon you that is indifferent to your moral obligation as a humane citizen of Earth.
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10-04-2009, 10:04 PM #6
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"Faith destroys confidence in the validity of your own mind" -- Ayn Rand
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GS6vxb4H3M"]YouTube - Ayn Rand - Faith vs Reason[/ame]
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10-04-2009, 10:08 PM #7
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Ayn Rand was a terrible bitch, but occasionally she had a point.
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10-05-2009, 01:46 AM #8LittleYellowFriend Guest
The problem is that when people abandon one set of irrational beliefs, (e.g. religion) they often replace them with another set of irrational beliefs (e.g. liberalism/leftism/communism)
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10-05-2009, 05:47 AM #9
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I don't think he was talking about religion, specifically.
And by the way, there's more retarded hyperbolized sweeping generalization in this thread than I can shake a stick at. I love it when you anti-religion types get all bent out of shape and sound nearly as crazy as religious zealots.If you've never seen an elephant ski, you've never been on acid.
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10-05-2009, 11:20 AM #10
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I wasn't talking just about religion although that is an excellent point. It was meant to be a broad question but I was specifically thinking of a couple of people who post in Pollyashattery, liberal and conservative, who are completely unwilling to change their beliefs. If you are unable to admit you're wrong then why come into this forum? I like this forum because I can read views from both sides and attempt to come to a conclusion about what I believe and occasionally weigh in with my 2 cents.
DownboundTrain just recently posted this in another thread
Which seems like a rather silly way to approach life. If you are unwilling to open your mind to new things, why live? Originally Posted by Downbound Train
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
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10-05-2009, 11:28 AM #11
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I get the benefit of clarity from discussing my viewpoints in contrast with others'.
I have been wrong plenty. But even when I'm sure I'm right and I'm taking smart criticism from all sides it's still a process of discovery.
Plus, I still think I'm eventually going to meet most of you, so we're getting to know each other. And killing time.
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10-05-2009, 11:34 AM #12
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Being wrong is easy. Admitting being wrong is emasculating, which is hard for most people trying to project power & confidence.
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10-05-2009, 01:03 PM #13
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HEY!!! I thought all conservitards were blindly religious meat heads!!! WTF???? Originally Posted by highangle
You guys were wrong!!!
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10-05-2009, 01:26 PM #14
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the Libertarian Lassiez Faire Goldbug Gunnut Antienvironmental Wing of the Republican Party is all about Ayn Rand Originally Posted by Downbound Train
HEY!!! I thought all conservitards were blindly religious meat heads!!! WTF????
You guys were wrong!!!
her meta ethics and epistemology go right over their heads, but her economics and ideas on individualism make them go a big wet one
"An American minarchy with no taxes, Fuck Yeah! That sounds good!"
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjwuGHPilwI"]YouTube - Ron Paul discusses Ayn Rand[/ame]Last edited by highangle; 10-05-2009 at 01:38 PM.
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10-05-2009, 01:49 PM #15
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Are you saying that there is no political idea that you KNOW in your heart to be morally right? No black and white? Just shades of grey? Originally Posted by Phill
(I just heard that the only word in the english language that is correctly spelled 2 ways is GREY/GRAY is that true?) I digress...
There are 2 sayings that come to mind.
1. If you don't stand for something you can fall for anything.
2. If your mind is open enough, your brains can fall out.
The left loves the open mind. It allows them to pour all kinds of goofy shit in there. In reality everyone is closed minded on some thing or another . Closed mindedness has gotten a bad rap. Funny though, it's usually ok for a leftie to have a closed mind, but they don't call it that. I think they consider their mind full not closed.
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10-05-2009, 01:59 PM #16
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Originally Posted by Downbound Train
Are you saying that there is no political idea that you KNOW in your heart to be morally right? No black and white? Just shades of grey?
(I just heard that the only word in the english language that is correctly spelled 2 ways is GREY/GRAY is that true?) I digress...
There are 2 sayings that come to mind.
1. If you don't stand for something you can fall for anything.
2. If your mind is open enough, your brains can fall out.
The left loves the open mind. It allows them to pour all kinds of goofy shit in there. In reality everyone is closed minded on some thing or another . Closed mindedness has gotten a bad rap. Funny though, it's usually ok for a leftie to have a closed mind, but they don't call it that. I think they consider their mind full not closed.
a social conservative who wants to legislate morality
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10-05-2009, 02:01 PM #17
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There are things that I believe at the moment to be right and wrong. However I'm not saying I couldn't be convinced otherwise but somethings would take a powerful argument. So to answer your question no, I don't believe in black and white. But I do believe in extremely light grey and and extremely dark grey Originally Posted by Downbound Train
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
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10-05-2009, 02:05 PM #18
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Your [conservitard troll's] tedious response is to always indict the left, to exploit divisions rather than focus on constructive ideas. The only guiding principle I can see coming from the wing nuts, is spite. Originally Posted by Downbound Train
The left loves the open mind. It allows them to pour all kinds of goofy shit in there. In reality everyone is closed minded on some thing or another . Closed mindedness has gotten a bad rap. Funny though, it's usually ok for a leftie to have a closed mind, but they don't call it that. I think they consider their mind full not closed.
It's all about the inequality, yo:
Conservitards
= blindly ideological meat heads
Conservatives. != blindly ideological meat heads
For example:
Schmidt (who worked on Palin's campaign): If Palin is 2012 Nominee, GOP could have a"Catastrophic Election Result"
Spite & shrillness does not equate to standing for something no matter how much you like to think it does.
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10-05-2009, 02:19 PM #19
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Are you saying "killing time" like... "killing time UNTIL we meet" -or- "killing time WHEN we meet" Originally Posted by YetiMan
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10-05-2009, 02:33 PM #20
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Originally Posted by Triage
Your [conservitard troll's] tedious response is to always indict the left, to exploit divisions rather than focus on constructive ideas. The only guiding principle I can see coming from the wing nuts, is spite.
It's all about the inequality, yo:
Conservitards = blindly ideological meat heads
Conservatives. != blindly ideological meat heads
For example:
Schmidt (who worked on Palin's campaign): If Palin is 2012 Nominee, GOP could have a"Catastrophic Election Result"
Spite & shrillness does not equate to standing for something no matter how much you like to think it does.
You are right. I tend toward to troll. Big time.
Not sure what you are saying with the video on Palin? Is he an example of someone who is Not blindly ideological? Or that Palin is? Or something else?
Speaking of Catastrophic Election Results.....Does this guy know what campaign he was on?
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10-05-2009, 05:04 PM #21Smokey McPole Guest
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