Stollen Elections and the Military

**Downbound Train** · 08-02-2009, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rubicon

Von Spakovsky sounds like a real 'voter suppression guru'. Do the left wing blogs have anything else, or is that it?

^^^^Tee Heee Heeee

Nice work Rubi.

**mock vomit** · 08-02-2009, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by Rubicon

Von Spakovsky sounds like a real 'voter suppression guru'. Do the left wing blogs have anything else, or is that it?

Hmmm... seems your critique left out some things? What were they again???

...

*...von Spakovsky overruled the unanimous recommendations of career attorneys in order to pre-clear the Texas re-redistricting plan...

...The U.S. Supreme Court found that the plan violated the Voting Rights Act...

...the Supreme Court’s decision found that the rights of Latino voters in South Texas had been diminished by the re-redistricting plan...

* ...von Spakovsky participated in the decision to overrule the recommendations of career staff in order to pre-clear Georgia’s Voter ID law...

...A federal district court later found the Georgia voter ID law violated the 24th Amendment’s constitutional prohibition on poll taxes...

...Career staff who recommended against pre-clearing the Georgia plan were then targeted by von Spakovsky with false charges and retaliation...

* ...von Spakovsky refused to recuse himself despite having published an anonymous law review article in favor of voter ID laws very similar to Georgia law. [8]

* ...von Spakovsky rejected a career staff recommendation to seek more information about the impact of Arizona’s Proposition 200 on Native American and Hispanic voters during DOJ’s Section 5 preclearance review of this law...

* ...von Spakovsky attempted to interfere with an academic study on voter fraud undertaken at the request of the EAC that didn’t trumpet his ideological pre-conceptions

...when he failed, he later (while an FEC Commissioner) encouraged outsiders to discredit the study.

* ...von Spakovsky repeatedly misled the Senate Rules Committee in his June 13 testimony by claiming, among other things...

...To quote Commissioner Martinez, “[c]learly something has gone awry here” if someone with this record is seriously being considered for appointment to a federal agency tasked with guaranteeing open and honest elections for all Americans....

... [/stupid re-editing]

So, OTHER than disagreeing with ALL the non-partisan career attorneys on pretty much every voting rights issue that crossed his desk... oh and then being overturned by the Supreme Court and Federal Courts... he did a great job??? This guy's whole career has been trying to disenfranchise non-Republican voters. But you already knew that... no wonder you like him.

Like I said earlier... probably the biggest hack in the whole GWB administration.

**Rubicon** · 08-02-2009, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by mocwvmit

Hmmm... seems your critique left out some things? What were they again???

So, OTHER than disagreeing with ALL the non-partisan career attorneys on pretty much every voting rights issue that crossed his desk... oh and then being overturned by the Supreme Court and Federal Courts... he did a great job??? But you already knew that... no wonder you like him.

Like I said earlier... probably the biggest hack in the whole GWB administration.

You are just repeating yourself. So, I guess that is all they have.

FWIW, I expect the people at the top to use their judgment and make the best decision possible, even if(maybe especially if) it means over ruling career bureaucrats. If they are later overturned by the courts due to some nuance of the law then that shines a spotlight on an area of the law that congress might need to take a look at in the next session. That creates a dynamic, adaptable government rather than a bureaucratic juggernaut that is unresponsive to the changing needs of the population.

You seem to want a rubber stamp, yes man at the top(and you are castigating von Spakovsky for not being that yes man). Which means that you want the unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats calling all the shots. That's not a good form of government.

This guy's whole career has been trying to disenfranchise non-Republican voters.

I don't recall reading anywhere that he was advocating or promoting laws that applied only to democrats. Could you point that out to me?

**fez** · 08-02-2009, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by Rubicon

I don't recall reading anywhere that he was advocating or promoting laws that applied only to democrats. Could you point that out to me?

come on rube, you know that's not the point.

**Rubicon** · 08-02-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by fez

come on rube, you know that's not the point.

Indulging craziness is not healthy. Tim assertion that von Spakovsky's attempts to make voter fraud more difficult were de facto attempts to disenfranchise non republican voters is crazy.

If he cares to respond he can.

**mock vomit** · 08-03-2009, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by Rubicon

Indulging craziness is not healthy. Tim assertion that von Spakovsky's attempts to make voter fraud more difficult were de facto attempts to disenfranchise non republican voters is crazy.

If he cares to respond he can.

I will... mañana.

Though all I have to say now is "thanks Colleen & Keely for the beers!"...

**Downbound Train** · 08-03-2009, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

LOOK! The voter supression guru popped up on Fox today.

Looks like Obama is the vote supressor to me. Which is no suprize.

YouTube - Voter Intimidation "No Big Deal" To The Obama Administration

^^^^Ok champions of recognizing voter supression, please let me know if the Obama administration was correct in their handleing of this situation... (video)

**fez** · 08-03-2009, 09:11 AM

^^^^ yet another case where knowing the source is adequate.

**Downbound Train** · 08-03-2009, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by fez

^^^^ yet another case where knowing the source is adequate.

Actually, it's not. Would you like to address the FACTUAL charges?

**fez** · 08-03-2009, 09:49 AM

if you can cite a source that provides facts, absolutely.

**Downbound Train** · 08-03-2009, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by fez

if you can cite a source that provides facts, absolutely.

Please enlighten us....what part(s) are not factual? Can you disprove any of it?
You didn't really expect to get this truth on NBC did you?

Sometimes you gotta suck it up and deal with reality, even if it's on Fox. The Obama admin likes voter intimidation as long as it's the right voters being intimidated.

**Rubicon** · 08-03-2009, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by fez

if you can cite a source that provides facts, absolutely.

They aren't very hard to find. The fox report was accurate.

A quick google search turned up these:

Feds Sue New Black Panthers Over Election Day Dispute

Thursday, January 8, 2009

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/c.../37270369.html

GOP, Holder battle over New Black Panthers

Posted: 07/12/09 10:01 PM [ET]

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-07-12.html

**fez** · 08-03-2009, 11:08 AM

haha, you used reality and fox news in the same sentence. i guess that's about all we need to know about you and partisan hackery. funny shit.

hopefuly congress can force the DOJ to re-instate charges.

anyways, to straighten you out, both sides like voter intimidation and disenfranchisement just fine as long as it's the other's side's voters getting intimidated or disenfranchised. there were plenty of dirty tricks pulled out by the both sides last election that you dont seem to deign worthy if mentioning.

i know it's your side so they can do no wrong, but anyone involved with either the democratic or republican party are a bunch of slimy dishonest bastards. arguing about whos bastards are the slimiest is kind of useless. much like this entire forum.

so now that it's the other side's political appointees overriding career DOJ lawyers (or perhaps firing them) you have a problem with it?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...lack-panthers/

Hans Von Spakovsky, a legal scholar at the Heritage Foundation and a former commissioner at the Federal Election Commission, tells us, "In my experience, I have never heard of the department refusing to take a default judgment... . If a Republican administration had done this, it would be front-page news and every civil rights group in the country would be screaming about it."

too bad it was text rather than audio, i'd like to know if his tone was angry or jealous.

**Sir Jongalot** · 08-04-2009, 09:44 AM

This is an OUTRAGE.

The administration in charge during this past election should be brought up on charges for not rectifying this situation.

Obama was pulling the strings on this systematic suppression of the military (cause we know soldiers always vote Republican) from his seat of power as a candidate for President...... uhhhh wait a minute.

**mock vomit** · 08-04-2009, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Sir Jongalot

This is an OUTRAGE.

The administration in charge during this past election should be brought up on charges for not rectifying this situation.

Obama was pulling the strings on this systematic suppression of the military (cause we know soldiers always vote Republican) from his seat of power as a candidate for President...... uhhhh wait a minute.

Jongy FTW!

**stuckathuntermtn** · 08-04-2009, 10:05 AM

DBT once again avoiding my hard hitting questions.
Answer it, Bitch. Back it up. Or is this gonna end like the other thread where you made another claim you can't back up? Isn't that all of them?

**Downbound Train** · 08-04-2009, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

I thought you believe in "states rights", why does Congress have to do something?

This hard hitting question? ^^^ While states are in charge of their own elections, the Feds are in charge of the military and it would therefore be the job of congress to fix flaws in the military system (and the post office for that matter) that may be supressing the military vote.

**stuckathuntermtn** · 08-04-2009, 05:34 PM

yeah, ok, I guess. But states control their own elections, no matter if it's federal or local.

CravenurdotterII · 08-04-2009, 06:16 PM

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