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  1. 07-21-2009, 05:55 PM #1
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    Obama tracking lower than Carter

    Since WWII only Clinton and Ford tracked lower after 6 months. Ford pardoned Nixon and Clinton was dealing with Hilarycare.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...al-tracker.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    Since WWII only Clinton and Ford tracked lower after 6 months. Ford pardoned Nixon and Clinton was dealing with Hilarycare.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...al-tracker.htm
    He's also very similar to Ronny's ratings at this time in his presidency. Interesting graph though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Assbush View Post
    He's also very similar to Ronny's ratings at this time in his presidency. Interesting graph though.
    Like I've said - give the guy some time! He's only been in office for 6 months!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    Since WWII only Clinton and Ford tracked lower after 6 months. Ford pardoned Nixon and Clinton was dealing with Hilarycare.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...al-tracker.htm
    Ha... if anyone reads the whole article they'd see your post is a one sided view of it... here's a quick snippet to show only a fraction what DT has skipped;

    Barack Obama, who completed six months in office Monday, has a 55% approval rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, putting him 10th among the dozen presidents who have served since World War II at this point in their tenures.

    That's not as bad for Obama as it may sound: The six-month mark hasn't proved to be a particularly good indicator of how a president ultimately will fare.
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  5. 07-21-2009, 06:45 PM #5
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    Quote Originally Posted by mocwvmit View Post
    Ha... if anyone reads the whole article they'd see your post is a one sided view of it... here's a quick snippet to show only a fraction what DT has skipped;
    What are you takling about. I said Clinton and Ford were lower and why. That makes Obama 10th out of 12. What else do you want me to do? Hold your pee pee while you take a piss?
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    Did they all have to deal with the second worst economy in the 20th Century? No? OK then

    Nice to see that there were only two Presidents whose numbers improved between inauguration and leaving office: Ronny Raygun and Bubba Clinton. One lied 20something times about breaking the law of the land and arming terrorists, the other about a blow job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Did they all have to deal with the second worst economy in the 20th Century? No? OK then

    Nice to see that there were only two Presidents whose numbers improved between inauguration and leaving office: Ronny Raygun and Bubba Clinton. One lied 20something times about breaking the law of the land and arming terrorists, the other about a blow job.
    ............. and about Whitewater and about the travel office and about lobbing missiles into the Sudan and the illegal campaign donations from the Chinese gov't, how large a tax increase should be levied and about healthcare reform .....shall we go on ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Downbound Train View Post
    What else do you want me to do?
    Well, you could address the point Tim highlighted in green. Or, you could discuss your view of the significance of presidential approval ratings. Do you put much stock in them as a meaningful assessment of presidential performance? (I don't.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by OSECS View Post
    ............. and about Whitewater and about the travel office and about lobbing missiles into the Sudan and the illegal campaign donations from the Chinese gov't, how large a tax increase should be levied and about healthcare reform .....shall we go on ??
    What "lies?"

    -Whitewater (the transaction) lost money and the Clintons involvement was never deemed illegal in a court of law.
    -The Travel office thing was a tempest in a teapot - staffers fucking up more than anything else.
    -So you're saying he did try to go after Al Qaeda and he shouldn't have. Got it.
    -"Chinese" campaign contributions... check out what happened before, during, or since and who got what. Also nothing illegal there.
    -"Read my lips..." Give me a break. Your & my tax burden was no worse under Clinton than it was under Bush I, and it was less than it was under Reagan. You're old enough to remember that.
    -How you liking that COBRA these days? Maybe we should be blaming Newt and Co. for our current healthcare mess, since their argument in shooting it down was the same it is now from the retarded Right: There's no problem to "fix."

    You really don't want to go Tit for Tat on Reagan's "accomplishments," do you? I recommend you "Just Say No."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    What "lies?"

    -Whitewater (the transaction) lost money and the Clintons involvement was never deemed illegal in a court of law.
    -The Travel office thing was a tempest in a teapot - staffers fucking up more than anything else.
    -So you're saying he did try to go after Al Qaeda and he shouldn't have. Got it.
    -"Chinese" campaign contributions... check out what happened before, during, or since and who got what. Also nothing illegal there.
    -"Read my lips..." Give me a break. Your & my tax burden was no worse under Clinton than it was under Bush I, and it was less than it was under Reagan. You're old enough to remember that.
    -How you liking that COBRA these days? Maybe we should be blaming Newt and Co. for our current healthcare mess, since their argument in shooting it down was the same it is now from the retarded Right: There's no problem to "fix."

    You really don't want to go Tit for Tat on Reagan's "accomplishments," do you? I recommend you "Just Say No."

    Leaving out half the facts or twisting them around doesn't help.
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  12. 07-21-2009, 08:31 PM #12
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    2010 will be bad for the Dems. 2012 will be an absolute bloodbath. I just hope that when 2012 comes along it's Mitt and not Sarah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodstocksez View Post
    Well, you could address the point Tim highlighted in green. Or, you could discuss your view of the significance of presidential approval ratings. Do you put much stock in them as a meaningful assessment of presidential performance? (I don't.)

    Me neither. But any bad news for Obama is good news for me. I did think the historical perspective was somewhat interesting and would make good fodder for a pissing match.
    Actually lower polls take quite a bit of momentum out of a presidents agenda so it does matter.
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  14. 07-21-2009, 09:11 PM #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by mocwvmit View Post
    Ha... if anyone reads the whole article they'd see your post is a one sided view of it... here's a quick snippet to show only a fraction what DT has skipped;

    Barack Obama, who completed six months in office Monday, has a 55% approval rating in the USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, putting him 10th among the dozen presidents who have served since World War II at this point in their tenures.
    I didn't read the article so I am making an assumption... So am I reading this statement wrong? His approval rating is ranked 10th out of the past 12 presidents in the first 6 months of office? I understand the pussification of America like not sitting kids in little league so they can all play, winning isn't everything it is how you play the game, etc. But, 10th out of 12 is pretty shitty.
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    Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

    Most went down, most went down more. Some went up just to fall, and even Jack Kennedy lost popularity over his term.

    I'm not sure wtf I'm supposed to read into this regarding what's going to happen.
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    Well, we saw how all that fanfare for Bush morphed out over time....
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    Sounds like even the dems want more action and fewer empty statements.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/...orm/index.html

    "We appreciate the rhetoric and his willingness to ratchet up the pressure but what most Democrats on the Hill are looking for is for the president to weigh in and make decisions on outstanding issues," the senior Democratic congressional source said.

    "Instead of sending out his people and saying the president isn't ruling anything out, members would like a little bit of clarity on what he would support -- especially on how to pay for his health reform bill," the source added.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

    Most went down, most went down more. Some went up just to fall, and even Jack Kennedy lost popularity over his term.

    I'm not sure wtf I'm supposed to read into this regarding what's going to happen.
    Why the fuck wouldn't JFK go down? He screwed up everything in office when he got there peaking with the Bay of Pigs. About the only thing he did right was resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis and even that many say was brought on by him being such a pussy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    Did they all have to deal with the second worst economy in the 20th Century? No? OK then
    Did all of them let congress run around uncontrolled while they sign blank checks to certain pet industries? No? OK then
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1080Rider View Post
    Did all of them let congress run around uncontrolled while they sign blank checks to certain pet industries? No? OK then

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    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBollocks View Post
    Why the fuck wouldn't JFK go down? He screwed up everything in office when he got there peaking with the Bay of Pigs. About the only thing he did right was resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis and even that many say was brought on by him being such a pussy.
    Totally, he should've nuked Moscow and Havana. what a puss
    Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush View Post
    just GWB
    Doubling debt in 6 months > than doubling it in 8 years
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    He didn't, but nice try. He's also not a "real American," right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tippster View Post
    He didn't, but nice try. He's also not a "real American," right?

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