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Thread: Please, dear god, ban tronacate.
08-09-2009, 06:06 PM #26
08-09-2009, 06:14 PM #27
08-09-2009, 06:24 PM #28Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
08-09-2009, 06:44 PM #29
08-09-2009, 08:52 PM #30who guards the guardians?
- Join Date
- May 2005
I don't much care what people are writing on the internet. We are all free to believe anything we want and express those beliefs. At the same time, this is not a public space. There are many folks who post here that I've met personally and almost everyone knows a few others very well. Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't on many issues. The glue that held us together was participation/sharing/stoke/stories/happy times/sad times/births/deaths/food/wine/beer/sliding on snow/riding bikes/meeting in person/killing fawns/mouse infestations/fake boobs/porn/a ride share/learning/teaching/deals/one armed women/pantsuits/honeypie... everything. Most of all the glue was the common interest of skiing, riding, and all permutations of action sports.
We all shared something in common, we were interested in all points of view. Viewpoints we shared or ones we did not, it did not matter because we could learn and grow even from those we were ideologically opposed to. There was a level of self moderation, because you were likely to meet the people you were talking to or about. There's a difference between a well placed zinger and hate speech.
If we wanted to know about the thoughts of random strangers who don't ski or ride and aren't interested in the community aspect of this place; it is easy to find it elsewhere on the internet.
The atmosphere being pushed lately is an anti-stoke poison. Participation is at an all time low even for the summer. Look at how many are no longer posting. People who were a part of in the community. They've been replaced in part by the crap being spewed. from people who haven't posted any stoke, any information, anything at all but shit stirring crap. It's killing this place.I'm just a simple girl trying to make my way in the universe...
I come up hard, baby but now I'm cool I didn't make it, sugar playin' by the rules
If you know your history, then you would know where you coming from, then you wouldn't have to ask me, who the heck do I think I am.
08-09-2009, 09:50 PM #31
I am only (just) part of recent TGR history. But the way I see it the problems come from seeds planted a while ago.
Letting non-contributing shit stirrers like Jer and his alter-egos run wild for year after year slowly opened a culture crack that attracted other similiar but more severe non-contributors of late. Flies are attracted to shit. At the same time contributing long termers when I was still lurking have slowly been putt off and slipped away. You have had a two-way flow via this crack that forum destroyers like Jer opened. That crack is now becoming a door way. I have no idea how to close it.
In the meantime you have political debaters who seemingly never mention skiing and almost always respond to the forum destroyers trolling posts. They are here for drama and self gratification. They are the fodder upon which the germs (starting with the original Jerm) feed. Observation and controversial debate about current affairs is one thing, but the noise levels are getting high. And that noise is being leveraged into hate speech and used as a foundation for non-contributors to rest upon.
The "New Posts" button is a good tool. I bet lots of people use it. If that button excluded the Pol Ass forum posts I bet a lot of shit would go unseen - except by those who actively seek the drama. These days, they are your real problem because they keep the forum destroyers alive. I am surprised by some of the long termers who almost daily get sucked into responding to the forum destroyers.Life is not lift served.
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08-09-2009, 10:47 PM #32CravenurdotterII Guest
My feeling is traffic is lower due to simple economic factors.
I only throw out my trolling rod in two areas......padded and pollyass......pretty harmless nooks in the whole pond of this forum.
Used to try the fishing a little but Likwid got scared off when his "mr. know -it-all" got challenged.
Between trolls, I do throw out some legitimate facts and information that I hope is a little off the beaten trail and provokes some out of the box thinking.. That's why I post economic data which is somewhat obscure for most but truly relevant.
I also own some pretty cool beasts which I admittedly brag on a bit as does every other stoker.
I'll pull the door closed some if everyone will be happier. This can be a massive time waster at any rate.
08-09-2009, 10:58 PM #33it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
08-10-2009, 12:34 AM #34
Perhaps some positive reinforcement for TRs, pictures and useful advice? The flame wars and shitfits get 10 times the posts and more from the "old guard" or whatever than the positive contributions do (and that's positive contributions from those who are amongst their clique, new contributors and non members get very few kudos from anyone until they've passed some invisible threshhold)Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
08-10-2009, 05:43 AM #35
I'd say I fit part of your description. I've been here a very short while and haven't posted any ski stoke for a variety of reasons, none as a result of my choice, but no stoke posts just the same. I came/come here for the skiing, outdoor related, fishing stoke. I Post in the polasshat forum quite a bit as do many others.
I've skied most of my life, but probably can't add anything of real stokage to this site other than my random pics of skiing in resort "X", or heres a shot from the steep or the bump run we just came through, or the random shot of one of our crew buying it on a run . Those shots are rare anyway cause we're usually more concentrated on skiing the run rather than taking pics or videos. I get a huge charge seeing other people who post here from extremely cool and isolated locations or seeing video from amazing runs from posters who get into doing that kind of thing.
No one is making anyone read any of these posts. It's pretty obvious what the topic is in the forum header and the individual titles. So if people are leaving the site because of political posts being made in a forum that has provided a site for just that, that seems a little silly. "I can't have it exactly my way so I'm leaving" ?? Well that's certainly a persons privilege, but it seems a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There's definitely shit on here, but so what, ig-fucking-nore it if you don't wanna read it. I can't wait till the TRs and pics of skiing come again. I filled a desktop folder of amazing shots from last year that became my rolling screen saver. I'm hoping for more shots this year, hopefully with me in 'em instead of some anonymous maggot.
Rantblog over, carry on.
08-10-2009, 06:39 AM #36
08-10-2009, 08:42 AM #37
It's a shame..
08-10-2009, 09:47 AM #38
Yes CravenurdotterII=tronacateOriginally Posted by blurred
08-10-2009, 10:03 AM #39
It's just getting really old. I've been lurking and checking out this site since January. I like the no holds barred posting, but all this racial crap contributes nothing to a site dedicated to "The ultimate action sports experience". Polyass is OK for downtime ranting occasionally, and some interesting factoids are occasionally gleaned from the hysteria. But the racial stuff, whether in jest, ignorance or just to make people uncomfortable is over the top at this point. Hating on a racial/religious level is such a waste of time. All you need to do is talk to a stranger for 5 minutes and you can come up with legit reasons to hate someone. That's apparent from white guys flaming out at each other on this board. My $1 worth, cuz 2 cents buys nothing anymore.Silent....but shredly.
08-10-2009, 10:07 AM #40
08-10-2009, 10:11 AM #41World's Foremost Apres-Skier
08-10-2009, 10:30 AM #42
If you just want to troll with extremely provocative posts purely for personal entertainment (this is known as CHUMMING as it is not as sporting, creative, nor entertaining as trolling), I suggest you try 4chan, borereader, or flamewarforums. Those sites are dedicated to that style. TGR is a skiing lifestyle site.
Originally Posted by blurred
08-10-2009, 10:47 AM #43
I just love when guys like Jer and Craventhedick cry for all the luxuries of our Constitutional rights, but don't want to accept any of the responsibilities that come with societal interaction. It's all free speech, cause we're a democracy.
It appears they've been voted off the island, a very democratic move, due to their strikingly attitudinal resemblance to a certain someone from the past who had similar racist views and perhaps similar ulterior motives in their fucked up delusion of grandeur.
(CNN) -- Forty years ago, a group of young people led by a charismatic, 5-foot-2-inch ex-con named Charles Manson set out on a murderous spree in Los Angeles, California. They planned to spark an apocalyptic race war that Manson called "Helter Skelter," after a song by the Beatles.
Charles Manson's mug shot shows a beard gone gray. The swastika on his forehead is still visible.
Over two nights in August 1969, the killers took the lives of seven people, inflicting 169 stab wounds and seven .22-caliber gunshot wounds. They used the blood of their victims to scrawl anti-establishment messages on the walls: "Pig," "Death to Pigs," "Rise" and a misspelled "Healter Skelter."
"The murders were probably the most bizarre and far-out in the recorded annals of American time," said Vincent Bugliosi, who prosecuted Manson and members of his "Family" and later wrote the best-selling book "Helter Skelter." "People are fascinated by the strange and the bizarre."
Crimes linger in our memories when they are especially horrific or when they represent the era in which they occur. The Manson murders did both. And they grew to symbolize the dark side of the California dream, as well as the political, social and cultural turbulence of the 1960s. Laurie Levenson, a professor at Loyola Law School who follows high-profile cases, described Manson as the worst of the worst, evil incarnate. "If you're going to be evil, you have to be off-the-charts evil, and Charlie Manson was off-the-charts evil," said Levenson.
The Manson murders abruptly ended the "decade of love," and Southern California lost its sun-kissed, self-indulgent innocence. The crimes added a lasting mantra for the times, Los Angeles Times columnist Patt Morrison said: "Live freaky, die freaky."
"It was the dark side of paradise," Morrison said. "People could shake their fingers and say, 'This is where your high-living, rich, hippie, movie-star lifestyle gets you. This is where the drug culture gets you.' It's the boomerang effect, the wages of sin."
Actress Sharon Tate, 26, famed hairstylist Jay Sebring, 35, coffee fortune heiress Abigail Folger, 25, and two others died shortly after midnight August 9, 1969, at a rambling house overlooking Benedict Canyon.
Tate was married to director Roman Polanski and eight months pregnant. She begged in vain for her life, saying she wanted to live to have her baby, according to Bugliosi.
The next night, grocer Leno LaBianca, 44, and his wife, Rosemary, 38, were butchered in their home in the wealthy Los Feliz neighborhood. Rosemary LaBianca was stabbed 41 times. A fork jutted from Leno LaBianca's abdomen, where one of his killers had carved the word "war."
When arrests came and the identities of the killers became known, the case grew even more frightening, Bugliosi said.
The suspects were hippies who lived in a commune at an old movie set in the San Fernando Valley called Spahn Ranch, where they dropped acid, engaged in orgies and went on nighttime break-ins, missions they called "creepy crawls." "They could have been the kid next door," Bugliosi said. "Tex Watson was a straight-A student, a track star. Patricia Krenwinkel wanted to be a nun and sang in a church choir. Leslie Van Houten was homecoming princess at Monrovia High School."
They were in thrall of Manson, who told them he was Jesus Christ -- and the devil, rolled into one.
Manson's "Helter Skelter" race war and revolution never came. He and Susan Atkins, Watson, Krenwinkel and Van Houten are serving life terms for their roles in the murders. Atkins, who is said to be dying of brain cancer, has a parole hearing next month. With their brew of violence, music and anti-establishment youth counterculture, the murders and ensuing trials established Manson as a perverse cultural icon that endures to this day. Along the way, the mastermind transcended his victims, and the Tate-LaBianca murders became known as the Manson murders.
Charlie Manson's image can still be found on posters and T-shirts. In 1998, the animated television series "South Park" featured Manson in a Christmas special. There have been books, a play, an opera and television movies about the case. There are even iPhone applications of Manson's famous quotes. Learn more about the music that was influenced by Manson »
"Manson is like a Rorschach test," said Robert Thompson, a Syracuse University professor who teaches popular culture. "How you interpret his place in popular culture depends on your own place in the culture."
Before the Manson murders, no one thought hippies were capable of violence. The Manson Family was "looking and living like typical hippies," Bugliosi said, "but they were mass murderers. That was their religion, their credo. They wanted to kill as many people as they could. That shocked the nation, and that hurt the countercultural movement."
Manson's musical roots partially explain his staying power. A folk singer, he wanted to break into the music industry and recorded some songs with one of the Beach Boys. Manson's own music has continued to influence other performers, like Guns N' Roses and Marilyn Manson.
Manson believed that the Beatles were speaking to him through the lyrics of the White Album, which was released in late 1968. The apocalyptic message, as Manson interpreted it: Blacks would "rise up" and overthrow the white establishment in a race war. Manson and his Family would be spared by hiding out in a "bottomless pit" near Death Valley until he could emerge to assume leadership of the post-revolutionary order.
Manson's crimes continue to evoke a strong reaction long after public obsession over other high-profile cases has faded. He was the bogeyman under the bed, the personification of evil, the freaky one-man horror show. For years, when prison officials still allowed it, he gave television interviews, never failing to shock. The interviews kept memories of him fresh long after he was locked up.
"You got a pistol on you?" he asked Tom Snyder during a televised 1981 prison interview. "Well, I just thought you might not like what I have done and want to do something about it."
Seven years later, he was far more volatile during a televised conversation with Geraldo Rivera: "I'm gonna kill you, as many as I can. I'm gonna pile you up to the sky, I figure about 50 million ..."
What sets Manson apart from other infamous killers is that he never killed anyone himself, Levenson said. Instead, he convinced others, mostly women, to kill for him. His powers of persuasion didn't stop there.
During his 1970 trial, Manson carved an X in his forehead, saying, "I have Xed myself from your world." His codefendants and sidewalk followers soon did the same. When Manson was convicted, he and his codefendants shaved their heads. "It's mind warp. That was really scary," Levenson said. "It wasn't just that people were spouting beliefs for him; they were cutting crosses in their heads.
"I think Manson will haunt us forever."
How long will the redneck racist fucktards of TGR haunt users here?
08-10-2009, 11:03 AM #44
08-10-2009, 11:30 AM #45
am i the only one who thinks that the PolyAss forum served a purpose (to clean up (?) the Padded Room) in the run up to the election but now it just seems to encourage these kooks?
maybe just close the PolyAss forum and encourage flaming of people starting political threads elsewhere?fur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
08-10-2009, 11:31 AM #46"... I'm still confused though as to rate this thread -2 or +2 Icemans." -skifishbum
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08-10-2009, 12:15 PM #47CravenurdotterII Guest
Here I post the greatest musicians and nobody appreciates it.
I post Baltic dry numbers.
I post my new TimTax program
I post Denninger.
Think a true blue racist would post a youtube recording of a Jewish cellist?
SO.....I think Hank Paulson is a traitor and GS wives are bitches......I bet 75% of America would agree.
You self-righteous tards get off making fun of tourists (GAPERS).....JONGS.....FUCKTARDS....et al. So.....maybe some people are beginners.
At least they are out there trying.
You are all the judgemental dweebs. You all think you rule the mountain when in fact years ago there were more skiers that could ski EVERYTHING twice as well on 203 slalom race skis as you troglodytes that look like you have posts up your ass with your skis two miles apart.
I go to a mountain and see people sweep down the easy powder runs.......and then when the fresh stuff is gone......they get totally THRASHED in the bumps that inevitably arrive on anything steep.
That's why you all strive for steeper and steeper terrain and more exposure. The equipment has made powder, crud, etc. easier for all.
Seems Glen Plake is the last of the breed.
There may be bigger tricks, greater risk, and bigger air now, but as far as basic skiing of the whole mountain.....it's gone backwards.
Everyone needs to rewatch "Fistful of Moguls" and see that you don't have to risk life and limb for a challenge.
Show me a skier who can square up on the fall line on the steepest bump run in cut up snow and not miss a turn.......I guarantee you that mofo can outski 99.99999% of the people here anywhere on the mountain.
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08-10-2009, 12:20 PM #48CravenurdotterII Guest
And futhermore.......how many dog pictures can people REALLY look at?
08-10-2009, 12:49 PM #49
You admit that you post nothing but non-skiing related crap on a skiing forum and then you bitch that nobody appreciates you... you are not as bright as you think you are.Originally Posted by blurred
08-10-2009, 01:06 PM #50CravenurdotterII Guest