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Thread: Obama/North Korea Policy
05-26-2009, 01:48 PM #26
Last edited by Summit; 05-26-2009 at 01:53 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
05-26-2009, 01:49 PM #27
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05-26-2009, 01:59 PM #28Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
05-26-2009, 02:06 PM #29it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
05-26-2009, 02:09 PM #30Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
05-26-2009, 02:10 PM #31Originally Posted by blurred
05-26-2009, 02:16 PM #32Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
05-26-2009, 02:20 PM #33
like I said, that's my knee jerk reaction based on gut.
You made a lot of really good points about why military action against NK would be a bad idea. Isn't it only going to get worse though, if they continue to develop nukes? What do you think we should do about NK if anything?
05-26-2009, 02:44 PM #34
Well, I may be able to see a bad idea, but that doesn't mean I have any good ideas.
It turns my stomach thinking about the lot of the average North Korean. That county has the worlds largest concentration camp. One of my best friends from high school and middle school is a South Korean national. He's working on a PhD here so he can delay his compulsory military service. His brother (also my friend) is now serving in the ROK Army. I don't want them or their family to die fighting.
Nukes make the game harder. Much like Iran, we are worried about them not being rational actors (required for deterrence theory to work). The difference between North Korea and Iran is that North Korea already has reasonably credible deterrent of sorts, they are just improving it. Iran has no deterrent. We are worried about Iran giving toys to ideologically motivated types for nonrational reasons. We are worried about North Korea selling to the highest bidder if they think it is their interest (that's easier to counter).
It will be a while before they get a reliably working nuke that will fit on a ballistic missile. Meanwhile we are (WERE) working to be able to shoot down that missile. But I think NK thinks of it as a win win. They get paid to not build the nuke, or the build the nukes and gain safety. (Or more accurately, they get paid not to, do it anyway until they get paid again, wash rinse repeat)
My non-expert opinion is that the continued strategy of isolation and containment while maintaining a deterrent force and working towards limited anti-ballistic missile systems is the best choice. We'll have to continue to prop up the regime through aid now and then, but as little as we can get away with. Dear Leader will die soon. We can hope his replacement will be less insane.
Last edited by Summit; 05-26-2009 at 02:48 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
05-26-2009, 02:52 PM #35it's all young and fun and skiing and then one day you login and it's relationship advice, gomer glacier tours and geezers.
05-26-2009, 02:58 PM #36Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
05-26-2009, 02:59 PM #37
Damn you Ridetit and your tapis tempting pic !!
Summit, damn, that's some strong insight into the NK military. I wouldn't want to fight a mountain war like that. Remember the first Korean war ??
I still wonder what Chinas response would be to our foray into their backyard. I wonder if they'd take advantage of the NK distraction and move on Taiwan ??
05-26-2009, 03:15 PM #38
North Korean society is so different from it's neighbors, including South Korea, they may as well be aboriginal tribe. ArmadaBC stated it well:
Last edited by Summit; 05-26-2009 at 03:20 PM.Originally Posted by blurred
05-26-2009, 03:32 PM #39
05-26-2009, 03:38 PM #40
... or puppet poop sex.
05-26-2009, 04:10 PM #41
Summit - work on ABL continues - it's still flying, supposedly there should be some significant occurrences in the program pretty soon here (actual shootdowns!). It's just a technology demonstrator at this point instead of being considered a prototype, but I imagine once there's some significant success coupled with the need to support the very specialized industrial base for the program, that could change right back again.
05-26-2009, 05:42 PM #42
There will be no taking out North Korea. In the event that they intiate aggression, there will be massive casualties on both sides.
Its the USS MIssourri, Iowa class battleships comparisom. Old technology, but oddly enough it circumvents most modern defenses.
Hardened bunkers, 10,000's of artillery pieces, all within miles of Seoul and a by gone mentality to accepting casualties in the millions if neccesary.
We could never do repel intially, and no amount of stealth technolofy or smart bombs would make a difference.
05-26-2009, 07:34 PM #43Registered User
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seriously, what the fuck do they want? normally when you are in a conflict with another party, the first thing you need to find out: what do they want, what is their goal? the problem with north korea is nobody knows what they want. do they want to end the war with south korea and a subsequent withdrawal of american troops? do they want to unify korea? do they just want to randomly throw a bomb on japan and then procede as usual? are they afraid of being attacked? do they want to be taken seriously internationally? get food, help, technology? or is it just expression of a struggle for power within the north korean elite? kim seems to have serious health issues after all. seriously, what is the point of the bomb?
Last edited by greg; 05-26-2009 at 10:41 PM.
05-27-2009, 10:04 AM #44Originally Posted by blurred
05-27-2009, 10:38 AM #45
The point of the bomb is that its gets them heard. No one is going to take them all that seriously about the things you listed above and 6,000 other things without it.You're gonna stand there, owning a fireworks stand, and tell me you don't have no whistling bungholes, no spleen spliters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker donts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, or one single whistling kitty chaser?
05-27-2009, 10:53 AM #46
I'd be happy if there were fewer desperate people with guns in this world, that shit is a bad mix and brings out the worst responses.another Handsome Boy graduate
05-27-2009, 11:10 AM #47Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
05-27-2009, 11:42 AM #48
I rarely find myself in total agreement with Summit, but this is one of those times.
I'm not sure why he thinks ABL was "killed" and I think he forgot that we currently have the capability to shoot down ballistic missiles with SM-3's deployed by Japan's Maritime Self-Defense Forces and the US Navy.
Folks, this is one of those situations you can't pin on any one administration alone -- it's been ongoing since the Korean War cease-fire.Balls Deep in the 'Ho
05-29-2009, 07:18 AM #49
This Kim guy is so fucking looney. No way this guy just dies quietly one day.
05-29-2009, 01:29 PM #50
You expect him to die spectacularly?