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04-07-2009, 11:00 PM #1
REVIEW: 09/10 Moment Bibby Pro (190cm)
28 y/o with all but one year on skis
5'10, 215 lbs and king of the gorilla steeze
turns when impending Soviet missiles are about to strike
still wondering why "The State" hasn't been released on DVD
overall length tip-to-tail along topsheet = 188cm
dimensions = 143-118-134 with tapered tip & tail
effective edge relaxed = 122cm / decambered = 114cm
tip rocker decambered = 42cm / tail rocker decambered = 32cm
weight = 9.8 lbs. (or 15.5 lbs. with Dukes)
Other similar skis I've been on:
190 Moment Ruby, 195 Line Mothership, 200 DPS Lotus 120
Flex: Handflexing won't tell you much, but these are plenty stiff underfoot, medium-stiff in the tail, and medium-ish in the tip. Definitely not a noodle, but still plenty playful. For comparison, the Ruby, Mothership, and Lotus are stiffer in the tail.
Conditions: 10-12 days with a mix of powder up to your chest, crud, hardpack, and everything else
Mount: I put these at 7cm behind chord center with Marker Dukes for 316 BSL (Scarpa Typhoon). If I spun in circles or upside down, -5cm would be a better fit. But for powder and charging hard, -7cm fits the bill perfectly for me.
Powder: No surprises here at 118mm in the waist with rockered tips and tails: the Bibby was a ton of fun in powder. Deepest day was at Monarch with a legit 2 feet of fresh snow and plenty of face shots with zero tip dive. What I liked most about the Bibby here was the ability to shut it down with a hard slash only to regain speed pretty quickly for the next entrance into the whiteroom. It took me a couple of runs to become adjusted to the ski's need for a more centered stance, but once you get it dialed, you can play around with turns of different radius to suit the terrain's needs.
Tracked-out Pow: Once the fresh lines start to get gang raped, you won't have to run back to the car and switch out for a different set of skis. The tapered tip design of the Bibby really does a sweet job slicing through the soft crud without creating any drag against your speed or float.
Firm Crud: How these would handled crud was going to be the deal maker for me. Most of the rockered skis that have come out recently have been a total dream in soft snow, but haven't performed the greatest in firmer conditions. Last weekend at Loveland, I found firm snow on moderate pitches that offered a true test for how these would perform. Even at questionable high speeds, the stiffness of the Bibby 190 provided enough stability to not worry much.
Trees: Compared to the 190 Ruby and 195 Mothership, these were ridiculously easy to navigate through tight spots. Even at -7cm, the Bibby was very pivoty and quick to maneuver at any time. Not much effort needed to switch direction on the spot.
Hardpack: No problems to report here considering that the slight amount of camber underfoot allows you to carve if you choose to. The rockered tail makes it easier to release out of your turns while allowing forgiveness if you find yourself in the backseat.
Chocolate Chip Death Cookies: While coming down Primer Bowl at Loveland, I dodge death about four times while skiing fast over some shark teeth. No coreshots either, so two thumbs up here.
Airs: Haven't done much and nothing more than 15 feet, but the rockered tail seems to help bounce you back forward if you find yourself in the backseat or when landing on an uphill slope.
Touring: All but 3 of the 10-12 times I've been on the Bibby has been in the backcountry (twice climbing 3000' over 7+ miles RT). As alluded to above, this setup definitely feels lighter than the 190 Ruby/Duke setup that was around 16 lbs. Breaking trail is considerably easy with the rockered tip, and only time I found myself in a bind was while ascending a 40+ degree section that was only 15' wide.
Springer's Final Thought: The version I've been on are prototypes but as of today, no changes to the construction of the ski have been made by Josh. There might be a topsheet modification, but that's it as of now. Also, I do have an affiliation with Moment, but tried to remain as unbiased as possible. Ehh ... fuck it ... these have been a dream to play with and are an excellent balance of everything you would want in a ski. They haven't failed me yet, and I will gladly throw them under my feet whenever possible. I suggest doing the same.
+ very forgiving ski that allows you to escape trouble
+ easily the most versatile ski in Moment's line
- doesn't perform well in avalanche debris, sastrugi, and super wind-affected snow
- traversing across 35-degree ice fields can be difficult
- tails can hook in crust
Tip rocker decambered:
Tail rocker decambered:
UPDATE: below is the production graphic for the 09/10 Bibby Pro.
Last edited by NPG; 12-11-2009 at 03:26 PM. Reason: ski weight added
04-07-2009, 11:32 PM #2LEGEN..wait for it...DARY
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Skis look super fucking sick.
But dude, mount those fuckers slightly more centered or the Gorilla Steeze will stick ...
04-08-2009, 01:17 AM #3
how do they compare with lotus 120?
04-08-2009, 04:35 AM #4
Those look sick!
makes me wish i waited to get those next year!
04-08-2009, 09:09 AM #5
04-08-2009, 09:16 AM #6
Nice...maybe the rocker will stop you from slamming into me again on that gnar groomer we were on back in December?
Skis look like a lot of fun, for sure. I like the "recurve" or "cambered rocker" design in skis now, and I think it is the money shot for all around versatility.
I will give you a call, I want to try these soon.Music: http://soundcloud.com/powtron
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04-08-2009, 09:42 AM #7
04-08-2009, 03:51 PM #8
I totally agree with your review....I'll add:
Mine are mounted with Dukes...at either -7cm or -9cm...can't remember which.
When doing SuperG turns on steep, super-firmpack, piste runs, the rockered tail worries me, and they are a little floppy at 60mph...but that's a given. However, given their width and design, they feel incredibly stable for such a fat ski. I switch to the 190 Ruby one run over this past weekend, and you can really feel the rocker vs non-rocker. The Rubys definitely feel more stable at high-speeds, but then again, the Bibby is way more fun and agile in powder. You can ski them on almost everyday, and that's pretty rad in this day and age.
04-08-2009, 07:02 PM #9
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! Sign me up please, I'll take two!NOTICE- Our public bar is presently not open right now because it is closed. Manager
04-08-2009, 08:10 PM #10
Anyone in Western Canada have these? Will give away first born for a chance at riding on a semi custom board.
04-09-2009, 12:01 PM #11
Not sure if it's been made clear anywhere, but wanted to add that the Bibby 190 is much stiffer all throughout when compared to the 186. I haven't skied the shorter version, but this is what I've been told and figured it would be helpful if deciding between the two sizes.
04-09-2009, 01:35 PM #12
05-13-2009, 06:14 PM #13Registered User
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these look insane.
and the new graphics are sicker than ever
these are the skis i dream about
(if only i had the money...)
05-13-2009, 07:31 PM #14
Took these out for 4 runs at the colorado mini. Could have been the Jager and Coors but they killed it. Haven't had them out in powder but they killed the corn and mank at abasin. Top of the list for next years ski.
05-15-2009, 02:58 AM #15Registered User
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Did someone try 186 Moment Bibby Pro ? Is very different from 190 version ?
05-15-2009, 10:05 AM #16Registered User
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What's the damage gonna be on these bad boys?
05-15-2009, 03:45 PM #17
05-15-2009, 05:12 PM #18
Any idea when a pair would be available?
Would love to take them down to SA this summer.
05-15-2009, 07:24 PM #19
Great review & very cool blog NPG!"If you are prepared for zombies, you are prepared for anything"
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05-21-2009, 03:25 AM #20
Is the tail enough rockere to land switch in pow? or should i go for the 186 for that instead?
im 187cm 80kg...it is supposed to be my play in powder ski
05-24-2009, 03:02 PM #21
heads up! there is a pair selling i Gear Swap right now...
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08-01-2009, 02:45 PM #23
NPG: How much do these babies weigh with the Dukes on them?
08-01-2009, 04:35 PM #24The Shred Pirate Roberts
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You land on uphills? Thats core.
08-01-2009, 09:21 PM #25