Thread: STH 12/14 vs Griffon

Has anyone tried both the STH 12 or 14 and the Marker Griffon? I've heard positive comments on both, but I didn't know if anyone could tell a difference skiing, or if it's all personal preference. Also had a question on the stand height for both - I know the Griffons are listed at 23mm (flat ramp angle) and the Sollys are listed at 17.5mm. However since the STH is not a flat ramp angle, is that 17.5mm a measurement of the front or back? Or is it an average? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks


btw the bindings will be going on Prophet 100s, and I'm 5'10" 160 so the 12ish top DIN should be fine

I've tried the STH 14 and Marker Barons. I know they're not quite what you are comparing, but I can you my feedback. The main difference I found was simply just the weight (of course the griffons will be lighter then barons).
I ride Prophets with STH 14 as daily ski and they work great. No problems/complaints with Solly's. It's a nice light setup.
I thought I've heard that the STH 14 is lighter then the STH 12, but you might want to look a little closer into that.
Bottom line: Personal Preference (and a lot of people have traditionally hated Marker, I've broken tMarkers 2x, but was very well treated with replacements)

Both bindings are not the greatest. STH 12/14 (despite a burlier, redesigned toe piece according to Salomon) still have the same exploding toe piece problems the z series had. A friend of mine cracked her's open the first day out, and she doesn't ski super aggressively. And the griffons don't have any toe height adjustment which really sucks. There is some up and down play in the toe piece because of this. Also, you sit super high above the ski on the marker bindings. I am a huge fan of salomon bindings, and use them on all my skis except for the dukes that I have, and would normally recommend them. In this case however, you're really better off going with the look px 12. In the 12 din bindings, look definitely has the best bindings. They are also less expensive the both the sally and marker offerings. I'd go with those if I were you.

I'm a big fatty and my STH 14s have been doing fine. I also really like the Jester (griffon). I think you'll like this binding as well. Yeah, it sits a bit higher, but I don't notice it that much. But I guess I don't hit the park too much anymore either.

I don't have any problem with the automatic toe on the Jester. This is a non-issue in my book. Tyrolias and Looks all have automatic toe height, it's just easier. And if you have toe slop in the Jester, it's because your toe is worn way down. There's like a couple mm variance on a new toe vs. a toe too worn to legally work on (ie. for a shop to mount up a ski, boot, binding as a system). Boots aren't meant to slop around all over the place off the snow. Lots of people don't get this. They also don't get that when you crank the shit out of your Salomon binding toe height to bring keep your absurdly worn boot toe from moving, you prevent your the toe piece of your binding from releasing properly. These are the people who blow knees on backwards twisting falls.

The other thing you can do is look at Tyrolia (Head, 4FRNT--the new ones) bindings. They are super underrated, but are really good for weight and stack height. Tanner Hall just moved from FKS bindings to these. Get some 5-15 DIN mojos. Can usually be had pretty cheap.