Thread: Big Audio Dynamite were dope...

Originally Posted by Tippster

They are actually concurrent - This is Big Audio Dynamite came out in 1985, and Killing Joke didn't start using "found audio" samples until right around that time, as did Gang of Four... so did the Beastie Boys, btw. Their first big gig was touring with BAD, opening for them. They then released Licensed to Ill in 1986.

Brian Eno & David Byrne's My Life in the Bush of Ghosts (1981) was a huge influence on this type of music, since it was all based on "found audio" that was then electronically processed, enhanced, and massaged in the studio.

Originally Posted by dookey67

i'm not expert in the field of "found audio", but i seem to recall one John Cage working with tape manipulation long before any of the aforementioned.

and one could easily make a case for William S. Burroughs' cut-up style, which was sort of the literary equivalent of manipulating found sound...

I don't think Tippster is saying BAD/ Beasties/ etc. were the first.

Eno/Byrne's experimentation can be tracked back into the '70s quite easily (King Crimson and Talking Heads), and that leads us right into the weird electronic stuff of the era: Throbbing Gristle, Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, Cabaret Voltaire, etc.

I haven't listened to any Cab Volt in awhile. Think I'll dig some out...

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Really? "Leviathan" is a unit of measurement?

I think that in this sense it only works as an adjective, not a noun- as in, his musical knowledge is leviathan. Unless you mean to say he has a sea monster of musical knowledge. Or a whale of musical knowledge. Or a book by Thomas Hobbes of musical knowledge.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Ballstein

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Thanks for proving my point. The statement there is not "she possesses a leviathan of forensics." It is that she, herself, is "a leviathan of forensics," i.e. something very large and powerful when it comes to forensics.

since we've veered off into the subject of sampling pioneers...

"Shock The Monkey" from Peter Gabriel's fourth self titled album was recorded between spring 1981 and summer 1982. This was one of the first tracks to use sampling technology utilizing the ground breaking Fairlight CMI and and other classic machines such as the Linn Drum and the Prophet 5 synth."

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Thanks for proving my point. The statement there is not "she possesses a leviathan of forensics." It is that she, herself, is "a leviathan of forensics," i.e. something very large and powerful when it comes to forensics.

I see your point, but I think there are two ways to read that comment: (1) she herself is the leviathan, or (2) she is a pile of forensics knowledge [both being unsound]. I took it for the latter. They look the same but are not., i.e. She is a forensics mountain vs. She is a mountain of forensics.

You can read it that way if you want, but that is not what the word means. It just isn't.

I'm just sayin'.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

You can read it that way if you want, but that is not what the word means. It just isn't.

I'm just sayin'.

Ok, agree to disagree. I know the etymology and despite dictionary definitions I find my use accurate. If one can say "of Leviathan proportion," I think Merriam W. is behind in allowing for the possibility of "a Leviathan of" meaning a unit rather than a giant of...

Originally Posted by Maurice Ballstein

That's good, because if you were completely sure, you would be completely incorrect. As is stands, you are just pretty incorrect.

Nope - "leviathan" is either a noun or an adjective. The former implies a large sized thing or an actual monstrosity, the latter only applies if you can substitute "monstrous (sizewise,)" "enormous," or "gigantic," which in your case you cannot.

"Dookey possesses a leviathan musical knowledge." (no "of")

or

"Dookey is a leviathan of musical knowledge." ...which kinda implies that Dookey is obese.

I would like to point out, Dookey's ankles are no longer leviathan.

Originally Posted by Tippster

They are actually concurrent - This is Big Audio Dynamite came out in 1985, and Killing Joke didn't start using "found audio" samples until right around that time, as did Gang of Four... so did the Beastie Boys, btw. Their first big gig was touring with BAD, opening for them. They then released Licensed to Ill in 1986.

Brian Eno & David Byrne's My Life in the Bush of Ghosts (1981) was a huge influence on this type of music, since it was all based on "found audio" that was then electronically processed, enhanced, and massaged in the studio.

You don't know your Gang of Four and Killing Joke to well.

By 1985 Gang of Four was doing disco music (that's another story). "Entertainment" circa 1979 was using the dubover voice sampling and is a monumental influence on pop music of the 80's and beyond.

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