New Game - Find the Bad Guys

**Jer** · 01-28-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Now, if you're just a tin foil hat wearing GW and GHG hater then fine...admit that you don't agree with the scientific findings that support global warming and move on.

Adolf - nobody supports GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! any more. It's Climate Change now. GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! went out when the GLOBAL stopped WARMING two years ago.

Also - you need to stop reading absolutes into people's posts. Nobody said CO2 is "never toxic".

Also also - it's been over half a year now - are you any closer to snapping that photo of your rad arsenal that you have locked up in Grampaw's gun safe?

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-28-2009, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

Adolf - nobody supports GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! any more. It's Climate Change now. GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! went out when the GLOBAL stopped WARMING two years ago.

Also - you need to stop reading absolutes into people's posts. Nobody said CO2 is "never toxic".

Read the absolute here about GHG's not being pollutants:

Originally Posted by LittleYellowFriend

pollution i.e. global warming greenhouse gasses which most people mistake for pollution but isn't.

I just read what was written. Nice playing with you though.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-28-2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

Also also - it's been over half a year now - are you any closer to snapping that photo of your rad arsenal that you have locked up in Grampaw's gun safe?

No sir. Although I am going to shoot some shit with my 30 30 next weekend.

**OSECS** · 01-28-2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I disagree, but whatever. I don't really want to go back into another GHG and GW discussion...there's only about 1,000,000,000,000 other threads where mags argue back and forth the validity of GW.

Sorry I wasn't really trying to debate the issue of whether it's real or not, I was agreeing with the post that the issue is used by certain groups to further their agendas (beyond just the alleged warming)

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-28-2009, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by OSECS

Sorry I wasn't really trying to debate the issue of whether it's real or not, I was agreeing with the post that the issue is used by certain groups to further their agendas (beyond just the alleged warming)

Yeah, I don't disagree with that.

LittleYellowFriend · 01-28-2009, 07:29 PM

Adolf you idiot. Learn how to read. Don't put words in my mouth dumbass!

and no, I don't consider water vapor and carbon dioxide, which we exhale, pollutants. Carbon Dioxide can't kill you.

Adolf it is the Carbon MONO-xide which kills you in your garage with the car running you fucking DUMB SHIT!!! Get an education.

Carbon MONOxide is a molecule of a carbon with only one oxygen and thus it is very unstable and has a very short life in the atmosphere because it wants to bind with an oxygen (thus that is what kills you in the garage with the car running) thus Carbon monoxide cannot in any way contribute to GLOBAL WARMING!!! You ignorant fuck!

tronacate · 01-28-2009, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by LittleYellowFriend

Adolf you idiot. Learn how to read. Don't put words in my mouth dumbass!

and no, I don't consider water vapor and carbon dioxide, which we exhale, pollutants. Carbon Dioxide can't kill you.

Adolf it is the Carbon MONO-xide which kills you in your garage with the car running you fucking DUMB SHIT!!! Get an education.

Ok......put a bag over your head and tie tightly around your neck.....then tell us how carbon dioxide can't kill you.

**Tippster** · 01-28-2009, 07:42 PM

If Climate Change isn't an "Environmental" issue then what is?

This question by no means endorses Al Gore or the Church of Global Warming, just a question of what is and what isn't an environmental concern. "Pollution" needs defining, perhaps, as does "Protection of the Environment."

LittleYellowFriend · 01-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by tronacate

Ok......put a bag over your head and tie tightly around your neck.....then tell us how carbon dioxide can't kill you.

It is not the carbon dioxide which kills you it is the lack of oxygen you stupid ignorant asshole!

LittleYellowFriend · 01-28-2009, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Tippster

If Climate Change isn't an "Environmental" issue then what is?

Because the climate changes whether we are here or not. Because GLOBAL WARMING!!! is a fraud, a scam , a hoax.

Industrial mercury being dumped into bodies of water is an environmental issue. Driving a hybrid is not.

If only all of the ignorant enviro-fucks knew how much they were being manipulated by certain political , corporate, and media interests!!! Then society could be concerned about the REAL environmental issues!!!

LittleYellowFriend · 01-28-2009, 07:52 PM

Oh BTW Adolf Aderfuck and tronocate = slayed by LittleYellowFriend BAWAWWAHHAHAAAAAA!!

**OSECS** · 01-28-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

nobody supports GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! any more. It's Climate Change now. GLOBAL WARMINGS!!! went out when the GLOBAL stopped WARMING two years ago.

I don't care who you are that's funny !!

**Spats** · 01-29-2009, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Yes, Nixon signed into law NEPA...was Nixon a socialist? I think not.

Pop quiz!

What president first created the following federal agencies and/or programs?
1) EPA
2) OSHA
3) EEOC
4) SSI
5) Wage and price controls

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Answer to all questions: Nixon.

I'm not issuing any opinion on the rest of that sub-argument, just pointing out that most of the "big government" agencies the Right likes to blame were created by...Richard Nixon.

As far as the main argument: I've said for over a year that Obama was bought and paid for by Wall Street just as much as the Republicans, which was proven by the public donation records...and he's proved me correct by his actions. Geithner? Rubin? WTF? Same faces, same proposals, same Wall Street circle jerk, government and Fed still stealing money from the poor and middle class and giving it to their rich banker friends.

**OSECS** · 01-29-2009, 06:03 AM

Originally Posted by Spats

Pop quiz!

What president first created the following federal agencies and/or programs?
1) EPA
2) OSHA
3) EEOC
4) SSI
5) Wage and price controls

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Answer to all questions: Nixon.

I'm not issuing any opinion on the rest of that sub-argument, just pointing out that most of the "big government" agencies the Right likes to blame were created by...Richard Nixon.

As far as the main argument: I've said for over a year that Obama was bought and paid for by Wall Street just as much as the Republicans, which was proven by the public donation records...and he's proved me correct by his actions. Geithner? Rubin? WTF? Same faces, same proposals, same Wall Street circle jerk, government and Fed still stealing money from the poor and middle class and giving it to their rich banker friends.

You can't really take this stuff out of historical context. These programs definitely seem/are more socialist today. however much of that is due to the way these initiatives morphed into huge gov't programs with over reaching authority that wasn't ever intended in the original versions (guessing a little here).

This is typical of government social (defined as meant to assist the nation) programs. They never spell out what they cannot do only what they're intended to help with. So once they're established, they grow and become much more intrusive as additional legislation is added.

**Jer** · 01-29-2009, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Tippster

If Climate Change isn't an "Environmental" issue then what is?

The Earth's changing climate is an environmental issue, since it affects the environment. However, passing a bunch of legislation to stop the climate from changing isn't going to do shit to stop it. Tippy - the climate has been changing since the planet was formed. It's been way warmer, way colder, way wetter and way drier thousands of times in the past. It will continue to do so. That's the way things are. Stop trying to play god. You're not that important.

As far as CLIMATE CHANGE!!! being an environmental issue - it's about as big an environmental issue as any other rabid, fascist religious ideology.

**OSECS** · 01-29-2009, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jer

The Earth's changing climate is an environmental issue, since it affects the environment. However, passing a bunch of legislation to stop the climate from changing isn't going to do shit to stop it. the climate has been changing since the planet was formed. It's been way warmer, way colder, way wetter and way drier thousands of times in the past. It will continue to do so. That's the way things are.

As far as CLIMATE CHANGE!!! being an environmental issue - it's about as big an environmental issue as any other rabid, fascist religious ideology.

Damn well said. It's been way cooler most of the time. If we should worry about any climate change it should be global cooling. The implications of that happening are way more perilous to our way of life than global,warming. The greatest periods of bio diversity on earth have been during periods of global warming.

Hint hint: the fact that "climate change" is the new catch phrase (replacing global warming) should be a big clue as to the current thinking and philosophy of certain groups.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-29-2009, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by LittleYellowFriend

Adolf you idiot. Learn how to read. Don't put words in my mouth dumbass!

and no, I don't consider water vapor and carbon dioxide, which we exhale, pollutants. Carbon Dioxide can't kill you.

Adolf it is the Carbon MONO-xide which kills you in your garage with the car running you fucking DUMB SHIT!!! Get an education.

Carbon MONOxide is a molecule of a carbon with only one oxygen and thus it is very unstable and has a very short life in the atmosphere because it wants to bind with an oxygen (thus that is what kills you in the garage with the car running) thus Carbon monoxide cannot in any way contribute to GLOBAL WARMING!!! You ignorant fuck!

Here you go sweet tits....typical combustion engines process fuel (gasoline) and air. Thus:

Fuel + Air => Hydrocarbons + Nitrogen Oxides + Carbon Dioxide + Carbon Monoxide + water

This is too easy. Little douchy friend, find something else to argue about because you're failing miserably at this.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-29-2009, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by OSECS

Damn well said. It's been way cooler most of the time. If we should worry about any climate change it should be global cooling. The implications of that happening are way more perilous to our way of life than global,warming. The greatest periods of bio diversity on earth have been during periods of global warming.

Hint hint: the fact that "climate change" is the new catch phrase (replacing global warming) should be a big clue as to the current thinking and philosophy of certain groups.

The argument of weather climate change should be addressed can be batted back and forth...is climate change going to affect our way of life? Even Jer understands that it will. Is there anything we can do about it? I think so...it sounds like you and Jer think we can't. That's fine...but I'm going to try to help make the environment better not worse. If it makes you guys feel better to regard global warming as something that is completely out of our control to justify continue living life "as is" then just own up to that...if that's not the case then I don't really get why you would care if people believe in GW/Climate Change...GW and climate change are not going to obliterate the free market system and capitalistic society. That sort of thinking is tin foil hat madness.

**Rubicon** · 01-29-2009, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

If you think CO2 (a GHG) is never toxic and thus not a pollutant lock yourself in your garage with the car running and see what happens.

Meh, the CO would get you long before CO2 became a problem.

Edit: Bah, piss stain beat me too it.

**Jer** · 01-29-2009, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Is there anything we can do about it? I think so...it sounds like you and Jer think we can't.

Not only do I think humans can do nothing about the Earth's natural climate cycles, but I think it would be ridiculous to attempt to do so. Every single time mankind has attempted to improve nature it's failed miserably. The earth got along fine before we were here, it'll get along fine long after we're gone.

**OSECS** · 01-29-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

The argument of weather climate change should be addressed can be batted back and forth...is climate change going to affect our way of life? Even Jer understands that it will. Is there anything we can do about it? I think so...it sounds like you and Jer think we can't. That's fine...but I'm going to try to help make the environment better not worse. If it makes you guys feel better to regard global warming as something that is completely out of our control to justify continue living life "as is" then just own up to that...if that's not the case then I don't really get why you would care if people believe in GW/Climate Change...GW and climate change are not going to obliterate the free market and capitalistic society. That sort of thinking is tin foil hat madness.

Nope didn't say that. I simply question whether we can do anything about it. Sure reduce our carbon emissions, but the draconian measures that some espouse will/may potentially kill global economies. I just don't think enough evidence is in to say definitively what's going on. The ecosystem of the earth is so complicated. Any tweaking of models with just the slightest change of variables can drastically alter it's outcome. A certain degree of hedging our bets isn't out of the question but not at the expense of the huge measures some say we need.

What happens if in 5 years the scientific community says global cooling is really going on ?? Are they gonna then say we need to create greenhouse gases to counter its effects ?? Simplistic maybe, but no different than saying we can stop warming.

You can apply this to most of the issues we face today. People rush in with ideas and solutions before the problem is really understood. Worse are the people who use the problem to further their social agendas.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-29-2009, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Jer

Not only do I think humans can do nothing about the Earth's natural climate cycles, but I think it would be ridiculous to attempt to do so. Every single time mankind has attempted to improve nature it's failed miserably. The earth got along fine before we were here, it'll get along fine long after we're gone.

True, I should have qualified my response by saying that I think that humans can do something about the rate at which the climate changes. The earth will get along fine after we're gone...well at least until the Sun goes into it's red giant stage.

**Dexter Rutecki** · 01-29-2009, 10:05 AM

Wow, our resident morons who get their news from USA Today and Fox (on a good day) are now climatologists, able to see through the worldwide conspiracy of global warming perpetrated by evil scientists. Humans putting billions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere is obviously irrelevant to our climate--which is also not an environmental issue(!!).

What a bunch of maroons (I know, nothing new about that, you'd just think they'd want to stop being seen that way at some point). Ignorance is cool.

**Adolf Allerbush** · 01-29-2009, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by OSECS

Nope didn't say that. I simply question whether we can do anything about it. Sure reduce our carbon emissions, but the draconian measures that some espouse will/may potentially kill global economies. I just don't think enough evidence is in to say definitively what's going on. The ecosystem of the earth is so complicated. Any tweaking of models with just the slightest change of variables can drastically alter it's outcome. A certain degree of hedging our bets isn't out of the question but not at the expense of the huge measures some say we need.

What happens if in 5 years the scientific community says global cooling is really going on ?? Are they gonna then say we need to create greenhouse gases to counter its effects ?? Simplistic maybe, but no different than saying we can stop warming.

You can apply this to most of the issues we face today. People rush in with ideas and solutions before the problem is really understood. Worse are the people who use the problem to further their social agendas.

I hear you man...and those are reasonable concerns in my opinion...if the economy continues to go further south I think the environment will suffer as people will do whatever it takes to keep going. Nevertheless I still think that efforts to cut carbon emissions will only benefit the environment in the long run though...improving air quality, water quality, etc. etc....additionally maybe getting the US off of it's dependence on oil from the middle east.

**Rubicon** · 01-29-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Dexter Rutecki

Wow, our resident morons who get their news from USA Today and Fox (on a good day) are now climatologists, able to see through the worldwide conspiracy of global warming perpetrated by evil scientists.

What a bunch of maroons (I know, nothing new about that, you'd just think they'd want to stop being seen that way at some point). Ignorance is cool.

You should know.

Religion has dogma that is unchanging. Science is a constant process of learning. Our understanding of the climate and our effect on it is constantly changing. You have to keep up.

The only consensus on this subject is found among those who agree with each other.

[Dec 2008]
UN Blowback: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims

Selected Quotes the Scientists:

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists,” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.

“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.

“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.

“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.

“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6

Here is the actual report.
http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...TOKEN=31122256