Thread: current (+recent past) bindings with moveable AFDs,manual toe-height

i'd like to compile a list of current production (and those recently made that are still easily obtainable used) bindings with 2 characteristics:
1) moveable anti-friction device
2) manual toe-height adjustment.

why?

i believe that those 2 characteristics givve a binding the most chance of releasing predictably when used with a lugged-sole (AT) boot. i *think* that an auto-adjusting toe height would diminish the value of the sliding AFD, but i'd still prefer a sliding AFD w/ auto-height-adjust over fixed AFD w/ auto height adjust.

even on days when i ski the resort, i dig my vibram-soled boots for hiking/scrambling.

i can't decide whether sliding AFD+auto-height is better or worse than fixed AFD w/o auto-height adjust.

i've recently seen some salomon demos which appeared to have a moveable AFD, but i don't know about the toe height.

any other production salomon bindings have at least a moveable AFD?

older fritschis (diamir, diamir II, and diamir 3) had both characteristics. newer fristchis have a fixed AFD.

naxos (nx01 & nx21; presumably the 22s as well) have both.

thanks for any input you have.

Welcome back UAN.

dukes and salomon sth 16s have both

Last model year of the 914s had them both as well

Tyrolia Mojo 15's had a moving AFD but no toe height adjustment

Originally Posted by squatch

dukes and salomon sth 16s have both

my sth16's don't, though they are the lab version

Originally Posted by squatch

dukes and salomon sth 16s have both

Originally Posted by nick > jesus

my sth16's don't, though they are the lab version

thanks for that. squatch, can you confirm that your sth 16s have moveable AFD? when i do a search online, i see that they have manual adjustable toe height, but i'm not clear about the sliding AFD. the sth certainly has it, but the toe piece looks different on the sth 14 (more like the z-series) vs. the sth 16 toe.

would love a definitive answer.

Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian

Last model year of the 914s had them both as well

thanks!

while i stated above that the old fritschi diamir series (diamir, diamir II and diamir 3) have sliding AFDs and the freerides and freeride pluses do not, i am not sure whether the current express and explore have sliding or fixed AFDs.

i've got my fingers crossed that current sth 14s and 16s have those 2 characteristics.

if not, does anyone have a source for old 914s?

Originally Posted by jfost

Welcome back UAN.

thanks!

din14

I don't think having my lug soled boots on the rubber afd on some rossi demo bindings did much toward releasing when I did my knee.
But it could have been the high DIN they were on.
Or both.

Originally Posted by upallnight

thanks for that. squatch, can you confirm that your sth 16s have moveable AFD? when i do a search online, i see that they have manual adjustable toe height, but i'm not clear about the sliding AFD. the sth certainly has it, but the toe piece looks different on the sth 14 (more like the z-series) vs. the sth 16 toe.

would love a definitive answer.

edit: sth 14s definitely do not have height adj.

I thought last year had a slider afd, but it looks like I was mistaken. i think it was only that one version of the 914.

i know people who have been putting their walk soled scarpa tornado and typhoon / hurricane into jesters, but there's no toe height adjustment.

Originally Posted by upallnight

if not, does anyone have a source for old 914s?

Not all old 914's have the sliding AFD - just last year's version. (whatever the last year they made the 914, 07 or 08 I think - like C.A. said). Previous years had a pivoting, non-sliding AFD.

x2 on the 914 sold as the Atomic FFG14 - that's the one in the pic with the sliding AFD.

Just looked at the FFG14's I have.. the actual part that slides is only about .5-1cm wide, and raised by a few mm's over the plastic housing of the whole AFD mechanism. It is clearly designed to contact the smooth, flat, and rigid part of a DIN sole - you might check your particular brand of boots to see if the outsole lugs even contact this moving bit, or if they might impede the sliding in some way.

To put it less confusingly, only a small portion of the AFD actually slides, it is NOT the whole piece...

handled the sth 916s today and determined that they do not have a sliding AFD (nor does the sth 914s). not sure if they once did, but they do not now.

Originally Posted by jfost

To put it less confusingly, only a small portion of the AFD actually slides, it is NOT the whole piece...

yes, i understand. i still think it would be beneficial for my purpose. it's been a LONG time -- but didn't the marker bindings of the early 90s have the complete moving AFD? if i recall correctly, the whole area under the toe moved, although one could argue that was not ideal because a release would cause the boot to rotate around the heel, whereas the AFD slid perpendicular to the sidewall.

the salomon rental bindings i saw recently had acurved AFD that rotated more than slid (if that makes sense).

hm. guess i'm searching for last year's 914s and possibly last year's sth 16s.

Luckily I have one of every binding mentioned in this thread.


ONLY the 07 914 I have has a sliding AFD and adustable toe height.

This year's STH 16s definitely don't and I'd almost bet money that last year's don't either.

Originally Posted by upallnight

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it's been a LONG time -- but didn't the marker bindings of the early 90s have the complete moving AFD? if i recall correctly, the whole area under the toe moved, although one could argue that was not ideal because a release would cause the boot to rotate around the heel, whereas the AFD slid perpendicular to the sidewall.

the salomon rental bindings i saw recently had acurved AFD that rotated more than slid (if that makes sense)....

yes, the old marker kind of hinged/folded outward at the toe - with virtually the whole side of the binding coming out - for sure a "moving" AFD, but certainly no height adjustment and IMO very small contact area in the toe "wings".

There's a tyrolia AFD that is like a tank tread, moving physically in either direction, but again, no toe height adjustment that I can think of...

Isn't the Fritschi AFD moving? It is attached to what looks to be a pivot point on the rail!?!

Just checked my gmont adrenalins in the FFG14, and it looks OK, the AFD does move in a bit of an arc around the heel, and is a bit more prominent than I thought, only contact of the boot lugs is with the moving part of the AFD, so unless there is mega-compression of the vibram in a fall event where it smashes down to contact other parts of the binding footprint, it should be good!