Thread: New Tires for a 4wd truck... snows or AT's

Second vote for Toyo AT, cheaper than BFG and I think they wear better, and are better in the snow.

I will be looking into the above mentioned Michelins next time, however.

Originally Posted by RootSkier

Second vote for Toyo AT, cheaper than BFG and I think they wear better, and are better in the snow.

I will be looking into the above mentioned Michelins next time, however.

3rd vote for Toyo ATs. I have Toyo Open Countrys on my Jeep and they grip the snow like velcro. Well maybe not that much but they are badass in snow and have probably saved my life a few times

I have revo's on my 4 runner and they have been great. When I got the 4 runner I went right to the tire place and swapped out the stock tires. I went back and forth on dedicated snows or a/t's. I went with the revo's knowing if they didn't do well I could always get the snows. I drive 30 minutes each way to and from the ski area everyday, often before the plows and so far the tires have worked very well and I have no complaints. I have not tried really pushing them around snowy corners like I have in an awd drive car with dedicated snows, but for many snowy miles on bad roads they have performed well. Maybe next year i'll get snows, but the revo's certainly will get you around just fine.

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Go for the Blizzaks. They are worth every penny. My camry went from being a joke to unstoppable after I put them on. I would purposely park my car in the most heinous spots possible up at Baker, shred some pow, come down at the end of the day to a buried car, and drive right out laughing w/ out digging. T

Just make sure you get them off as soon as you don't need 'em anymore. They wear out fast!

I'd vote for studless snows in the winter and Mudders in the summer but you didn't list that option. Unless of course you consider a mudder a "highway tire".

I've got the cooper discoverer M+S on my truck in the winter time. It grips on all but the slickest of boilerplate ice. The tire is studdable as well if you find yourself driving in said ice a lot. I haven't ever had mine studded and they've been awesome. Add some weight to the back of the truck and you're set.

I always use to think A/Ts were the shit in the winter. I finally gave in and mounted up some huge Blizzaks on my F150. Holy. Shit.

Worth the 700 bucks. Things a fucking tank now AND stops on a dime. Iced over parking lot? That V8 still puts all the power to the ground.

BUT--I drive on relatively permanently snow covered roads about 6 months out of the year, not sure how well they'd last on dry pavement.

Edit to add that I use to laugh at people who put snow tires on four wheel drive vehicles. I now understand.

This poll is flawed, you have people voting that have not had this epiphany yet:

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

I always use to think A/Ts were the shit in the winter. I finally gave in and mounted up some huge Blizzaks on my F150. Holy. Shit.

Worth the 700 bucks. Things a fucking tank now AND stops on a dime. Iced over parking lot? That V8 still puts all the power to the ground.

BUT--I drive on relatively permanently snow covered roads about 6 months out of the year, not sure how well they'd last on dry pavement.

Edit to add that I use to laugh at people who put snow tires on four wheel drive vehicles. I now understand.

It's like asking someone whose never had an apple if it is better than an orange or not.

Originally Posted by Rideski

This poll is flawed, you have people voting that have not had this epiphany yet:
It's like asking someone whose never had an apple if it is better than an orange or not.

I'd compare it more to the first blojob your high school girlfriend gave you compared the 1,000th one she gave you.

The first one seemed pretty good at the time....

I have a set of Revos for my Tacoma and I am really happy with them. They have great wet weather traction and do OK in the snow but not great. I have to be in 4 high a fair bit on snowy roads to keep the back end from stepping out. If I had the coin I'd get a separate set of snows.

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

to add that I use to laugh at people who put snow tires on four wheel drive vehicles. I now understand.

Yes... a lot of people, who have no experience in running real winters, are often very opiniate about the "no need for 'em with AWD/4WD"...

Oddly enough, it's more often than not, the big AWD/4WD truck in the ditch, with shitty "all seasons" than the small FWD car with winters. Same goes for stuck cars .

Naturally, if oen drives 99.9% of the time on dry roads, there is no need for winters. But I'm pretty sure the skiing ain't that great at such places .

Both if you can afford it, but if not get the Revos. Then down the road when you've got the cash get a dedicated set of snows as well.

I've got some Revos on my pre-taco yota, and they're pretty good in the snow (not great - going in the snow is a piece of cake, but stopping isn't quite as easy... but not unsafe), and pretty quiet on the pavement for such an aggressive tread pattern. Next year when I have the money I'll get a set of Cooper Discoverer M+S and mount them on a separate set of rims.

And I didn't just stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. I've been driving Toyota trucks in the pacific northwest for years.

Originally Posted by Rideski

This poll is flawed, you have people voting that have not had this epiphany yet:



It's like asking someone whose never had an apple if it is better than an orange or not.

Originally Posted by hemas

Yes... a lot of people, who have no experience in running real winters, are often very opiniate about the "no need for 'em with AWD/4WD"...

Oddly enough, it's more often than not, the big AWD/4WD truck in the ditch, with shitty "all seasons" than the small FWD car with winters. Same goes for stuck cars .

Naturally, if oen drives 99.9% of the time on dry roads, there is no need for winters. But I'm pretty sure the skiing ain't that great at such places .

Well I ordered up the Blizzaks last night, thanks for all the input. Since I've never had a set of snows I figured now is the time to try them out. Plus, if I'm not impressed I'll sell them and move on.

And, I've got some really badass circular logic going in my head to justify the purchase..... I found some tacoma steel rims for $100 for the set, I purchased the tires for $440 and I'll be in for another $80 for mounting and balancing. The way I see it in my twisted little mind is that the snow tires will effectively lengthen the life of my summer tires. get it? Instead of paying $440 for 50K worth of tires I'll pay like $900 for 100K miles worth. then I can divide the $180 by the 4 years i expect the snows to last and rationilize spending $45 per winter for some extra security. follow all that?

I love being able to argue with myself and win!

I have heard good things about these retread tires. I have a friend who bought a set of the AT tires and had them studded at big O for $15 a tire. Bomber set up.

http://treadwright.com/ProductDetail...TR&cname=Tires

Good call on the dedicated snows. I'd always run true snow tires in the winter until last year, when I got a company vehicle (Suburban 1500) with "all-season" tires. Thing was a lot of fun to slide around parking lots, but it was a bit scary when trying to keep it under control (or pull out of snowy parking spots--I had to use 4-lo on more than a few occasions). This winter, we found an extra set of Hakkapalitas (which happen to be studded, but the studs are pretty worn).  Night and day difference; I get better grip in general and more controllability in slightly-loose situations (IMO, but I might just be more confident that I can get the truck to hook back up after I get it loose).

Originally Posted by Tick

And, I've got some really badass circular logic going in my head to justify the purchase..... I found some tacoma steel rims for $100 for the set, I purchased the tires for $440 and I'll be in for another $80 for mounting and balancing. The way I see it in my twisted little mind is that the snow tires will effectively lengthen the life of my summer tires. get it? Instead of paying $440 for 50K worth of tires I'll pay like $900 for 100K miles worth. then I can divide the $180 by the 4 years i expect the snows to last and rationilize spending $45 per winter for some extra security. follow all that?

I love being able to argue with myself and win!

No, I did the same reasoning: figure that with regular all-season/all-terrain tires on a 4WD, I'd be replacing them earlier in order to preserve enough tread depth for good snow performance. With a separate set of snow tires/wheels, I can run the "summer" tires down further than I would otherwise.

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

I always use to think A/Ts were the shit in the winter. I finally gave in and mounted up some huge Blizzaks on my F150. Holy. Shit.

Worth the 700 bucks. Things a fucking tank now AND stops on a dime. Iced over parking lot? That V8 still puts all the power to the ground.

BUT--I drive on relatively permanently snow covered roads about 6 months out of the year, not sure how well they'd last on dry pavement.

Edit to add that I use to laugh at people who put snow tires on four wheel drive vehicles. I now understand.

I went from Blizzaks (DMZ3's) on my truck to Toyo AT's, I had the opposite feeling. Didn't notice any less traction on snow & ice with the Toyos, but they blow the Blizzaks away everywhere else.

Originally Posted by Tick

Well I ordered up the Blizzaks last night, thanks for all the input. Since I've never had a set of snows I figured now is the time to try them out. Plus, if I'm not impressed I'll sell them and move on.

And, I've got some really badass circular logic going in my head to justify the purchase..... I found some tacoma steel rims for $100 for the set, I purchased the tires for $440 and I'll be in for another $80 for mounting and balancing. The way I see it in my twisted little mind is that the snow tires will effectively lengthen the life of my summer tires. get it? Instead of paying $440 for 50K worth of tires I'll pay like $900 for 100K miles worth. then I can divide the $180 by the 4 years i expect the snows to last and rationilize spending $45 per winter for some extra security. follow all that?

I love being able to argue with myself and win!

100$ rims is a very good deal,running dedicated winters WILL lengthen the life of your summers ,and the biggy they are SAFER!

Snow tires can save you a trip to the ditch which would cost you more than 500$ easy

When I sell a vehical I sell whatever snowtires and rims seperate after the car is gone cuz I think you get more $ overall .I got 250 bucks for the rims and tires after I sold my 4-runer ,sold to a buddy ,unfortunatley they didnt help him ... he flipped/totaled it

Snow tires for winter, something else for the rest of the year(depending on what type of driving/where you are going.)

Snow tire are made very different then other tires, including all season tires. The rubber is much different, tread is different, sidewalls are different, dimensions are different, et cetera. Sure you can get by with other, all purpose tires, but if you can afford it, why compromise?

The old adage "okay at everything, good at nothing" applies.

Originally Posted by XXX-er

those finns can be dangerous to drink with but they know their shit when it comes to snow tires

http://www.nokiantires.com/testing-i...eme-conditions

I always buy the best snow tires ,not the cheapest

IMO snow tires and condoms are not places you want to compromise ... I think

I had a set of Nokian tires for my Tacoma. Did really well in the snow. Not the dedicated snow tires, just there A/T version. I believe you can get a Cooper siped A/T tire that is basically the same as the Nokian and save a few dollars.

With these new factory studded (the studs are square)Hakv's I was driving my golf in 12" of virgin pow ... I was amazed cuz the car only has 4" of ground clearance

Nokians are developed in finland and made in the PRC like (everything else) for what reason do you think Nokian & cooper are connected ?

Originally Posted by Toadman

I believe you can get a Cooper siped A/T tire that is basically the same as the Nokian and save a few dollars.

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I drove for ~ 18 storm chasing years on AT tires and I'm still alive.
Snow tires are better.
More snow tires on the road means less crashes, and less I-70 / I-50 / I-80 / 1-15 rants. Tell your illiterate neighbor too. Thanks.

If you have 4wd, snow tires aren't really necessary. I use BFG A/T tko tires on my 4runner. Kick ass in the snow, kick ass in the desert, and they last 50,000 miles. Little pricey, but I rarely get stuck, and believe me, I try. Also, you won't ever get a flat unless the tire is just about bald.

Ive got 285/75/16R BFG AT/KO's and theyre awesome, got them siped and they rock in snow/ice/rain/mud. Running them on an '05 chev 4x4 2500HD

Originally Posted by basinbeater

If you have 4wd, snow tires aren't really necessary.

Do you know what the difference is between 4wd and 2wd when braking or cornering?





Nothing.





Revos are far and away the best A/T tires I've ever used in snow. I run them instead of snows because I live in SF and have to drive 200 miles to get to snow on the weekends, so I'd rip through a set of snows in a single winter, not to mention I have no place to store a spare set of tires/wheels. However, last winter I slide into some guy, taking a right from a stop sign at 5mph. It was solid ice. I have no doubt that I wouldn't have come close to losing traction on REAL snow tires (which I used to run in New Hampshire). A civic with snow tires will kick the shit out of any 4wd on ATs. Any ATs.