Thread: I hate my Jesters......a few techy questions.....

So I got a deal on some 183 Katanas that were mounted with Jesters from my rep and am pretty pumped on them - they rip buuuuut my boot is loose in one of my Jesters. I played around with the forward pressure screws and no matter how locked in I am, after a few turns my toe gets loose and i start wobbling around in them. There doesn't seem to be toe height adjustments or anything so i'm not sure what to do. Damn Markers......anyone have similar problems with these?

nope, what boot you riding? Is the toe piece worn? Probably things you have already thought about.

Experienced the same thing. Thinking it's a warranty issue.

The jesters have automatic tow height adjustment, so yeah, it's probably a warranty issue.

Forward pressure adjusted? Just checkin'.

Is it the demo track on the heel, do you have a smallish BSL?

You can only go so far forward in the longer heel tracks, but you would notice because it has black arrows saying stop here or something.

Also I don't try to adjust forward pressure for Jesters/Dukes etc with the boot in the binding- I think the pressed heel track might be a little fragile vs. the worm screw in the actual heel housing.

I had similar issues when I used my scarpa tornados but my FT bb and lange 120 fr work fine. The toe in the tornado would move up and down no matter how much I tightened the binding. I never pre-released but it was fucking annoying, so I stopped using the boot for that set-up.

I have also heard that the krypton pro has the same issue. I don't have any experience with this, just hearsay from a shop rat.

Originally Posted by emr

I have also heard that the krypton pro has the same issue. I don't have any experience with this, just hearsay from a shop rat.

That's the boot he has.

The shop guy said he was slightly grinding down the toe on the boot because he figured it was 1-2 mm longer than other boots. DISCLAIMER...THIS IS JUST HEARSAY... I don't know the end result, I was just bs with him when I was looking at the krypton. He said a couple guys in the shop had the boot and were all experiencing the same problem. Its not my "local" shop but its like 25 minutes from my house. I can swing by in the next couple of days if you want me to see what the outcome was of the slight toe grind. I'm always looking for a reason to go to a shop and piss money away.

Remember... that toe piece AND heel piece are both designed to be compatible with both Alpine and AT boot soles (ala Duke without the manual toe height adjuster). If you only ski your alpine boots with them, I'm sure that they will act funny!

Dobermans here, w/ lifters so the toe lug has been ground down, and the overall toe is probably a little out of DIN. Never had a problem on other bindings though, and the unwanted play was on only one binder for me. Maybe those heel tracks are getting stripped from adjusting w/ boot in binding?

It seems like a good binding, really light and stiff--I'd like it a lot better w/ toe height adjustment though.

Don't grind your boots! It's a heel design issue with those new Markers.

Originally Posted by Full Throttle!

Remember... that toe piece AND heel piece are both designed to be compatible with both Alpine and AT boot soles (ala Duke without the manual toe height adjuster). If you only ski your alpine boots with them, I'm sure that they will act funny!

No they aren't, thats why the duke has the manual toe height adjustment.

Hmmm interesting - thanks for all the replies. The forward pressure was correct and the binding is in the middle of the track so that should be ok. I am on Krypton Pros so that could be it - so strange that 1 type of boot would have issues with it though. And its only on 1 ski which is weird as well. Hmmm, i guess i will continue to play around with it

for my reference, are there people with kryptons skiing jesters without issues ?

was strongly thinking about jesters on my new Praxis.

can you elaborate on the design flaw ?

thanks

Originally Posted by corn dog

No they aren't, thats why the duke has the manual toe height adjustment.

If you remove the manual toe height adjustment from the Duke/Baron, you have a Jester/Griffon! The SHAPE of the toe and heel pieces were redesigned to work with two different boot sole norms (alpine and AT). It's more than just a toe height adjustment and a hinge that make them AT compatible. There's more.

Welp i've tinkered with them, run it by everyone in my shop and will now be removing them and mounting salomons. In my mind Markers still suck. They tried to change their ways but having their 16 din "bomber" binding with no manual adjustments is BS. A pair of Jesters will be hitting Gear Swap in the next few days.....

Anybody else out there with Jesters and Kryptons with problems or Raps just just an unfortunate case?

Originally Posted by Full Throttle!

If you remove the manual toe height adjustment from the Duke/Baron, you have a Jester/Griffon! The SHAPE of the toe and heel pieces were redesigned to work with two different boot sole norms (alpine and AT). It's more than just a toe height adjustment and a hinge that make them AT compatible. There's more.

I'm with corndog on this one. The reason for the toe height adjustment on the duke is for AT compatability. The overall design of the toe piece was made to work with all boot types including AT/vibram soles as they are the same as duke's, but the toe height adjustment is imperative for overall AT compatability. I am sure jesters will work for some AT boots but not all.

Originally Posted by Raps

Welp i've tinkered with them, run it by everyone in my shop and will now be removing them and mounting salomons. In my mind Markers still suck. They tried to change their ways but having their 16 din "bomber" binding with no manual adjustments is BS. A pair of Jesters will be hitting Gear Swap in the next few days.....

You'd get more for brand new unfucked up bindings than you would for a fucked up set. Get em warranteed before you sell.

Originally Posted by factionride

Anybody else out there with Jesters and Kryptons with problems or Raps just just an unfortunate case?

I've used both 07/08 and 08/09 Kryptons with my Jesters and Dukes, and I have no issues. Jesters have maybe 25 days and the Dukes about 10 days.

As an aside I've got to give it to the Jesters. I was skiing some really nasty conditions on Tuesday and suffered a twisting double ejection that left both heel pieces still engaged. I have my everyday skis set at a 10 DIN (I'm 6'1" and 175) and after hitting the ground hard enough to give me a sore neck, I was really thankful to see my bum knee was still intact. No knee pain the day after and I've never pre-released with them.

Jester's are not made to work with AT boots as has been mentioned. With some boots it might be okay but won't indemnify at the shop test. Better to go with the Duke or Baron which was ment to be compatible with both alpine and AT boots. Sorry you had to learn about this after the fact.

Originally Posted by skitime

Jester's are not made to work with AT boots as has been mentioned. With some boots it might be okay but won't indemnify at the shop test. Better to go with the Duke or Baron which was ment to be compatible with both alpine and AT boots. Sorry you had to learn about this after the fact.

I don't think Kryptons are normally considered AT boots.

Your right my bad. Not sure why they wouldn't work well with Dabello, toe and heel height should be fine to meet Din standard. Only issue I could think of is if the toe of the boot is worn.

I am dealing with looseness with some older atomic freeride boots. The soles are pretty worn so I am getting some new ones. hopefully that helps.