Tall tee not tall enough? It's ok! There's an easy way to fix your steeze!

**Phill** · 11-17-2008, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by iggyskier

It is the admins call and not my place to really care. That stuff I posted was the explanation that was given to me when I asked. If you see what I wrote above, I thought it was weak to delete it, but wasn't my call. If you have such an issue with it, why don't you PM him yourself on your NS account?

Just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was directing my bullshit comment towards you. Don't get butthurt.

**iggyskier** · 11-17-2008, 02:20 AM

Originally Posted by Phill

Just because I quoted you doesn't mean I was directing my bullshit comment towards you. Don't get butthurt.

Seemed like it was, but if I interpreted it wrong, sorry. Sometimes hard to interpret meaning over the internet, particularly when the biggest statement being made in a post is made through a picture, ya know?

**JD May** · 11-17-2008, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by Lizhnik

Um, I wasn't hating on you for your post count, I was responding to your comment that you were somehow superior because you've been here for longer than me. Now, for the enlightenment. This isn't just an internet website, it is a community. Where you ski and the skis you ski on are irrelevant. But don't take it from me, I've been worked by old-school mags on many occasions.

And it's not just skiing and about having fun, it is a way of life. It is incredibly dangerous and injury-prone, but you are never more alive. So, you better believe I am going to be scrutinizing how and where my kid slides around on snow. Safety takes precedence and if he is going to be out there, I want him to be as safe as possible. This, to me, is the essence of a parent's responsibility. Breaking my leg on skis at 8 years old was a valuable lesson to me. So was pulling the lifeless body of a 9 year old kid out from beneath avalanche debris in front of his hysterical father last year.

Firstly, if I'm going to be judged with regard to a community, I'd prefer it not to be a web community, I'd rather it be skiing. I don't know that I've contributed a ton to skiing anyway, since it's more of a hobby to me and I don't go out of my way to involve myself too directly in the industry, but I have been around for a while at the very least, so I'd like to think I have a legitimate perspective borne of experience... others' views may legitimately vary. In any case, I certainly wasn't trying to imply that I was in any way superior to you because I joined earlier; that's as silly as implying that someone is inferior because of their post count.

I misunderstood you about the parenting thing: I thought what you meant regarding keeping your kid out of the park was a matter of your not approving of that aspect of skiing, wanting your kid to get out of the sport the same things you do and controlling how he enjoys a sport, rather than a safety issue. I'll stand by what I said about the relative danger in a terrain park as compared to other areas of the mountain, though... this is a dangerous sport, and no matter how you do it, if you do it seriously there's an ascending risk of injury of proportional seriousness. All one can do is try to help kids grasp the dangers and encourage them to be mindful of them at all times... I actually think we've done a pretty good job of that industry-wide, I see a lot more people riding with helmets than not in parks, and everyone looks down on the people who aren't safe, be it by snaking people, failing to clear landings, what have you... it's a pretty cooperative atmosphere when it comes to safety in my experience, though that experience is admittedly limited to spring / summer riding and comps I've helped out with. People work together to make sure the jumps are groomed right, landings aren't rutted, rail ons are properly built, people drop only when it's safe, etc. That's around here, the EC is even more organized because for a lot of kids it's all they do out there. Anyway, that was a ramble. In short, I see where you're coming from, but I think the danger and the solution are pretty uniform whether kids are in the park or not.

**Lizhnik** · 11-17-2008, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by iggyskier

I really don't think you can comment on what skiing means to people because there is no way to honestly know their intentions, but I really don't see any difference between a skier who finds their spiritual side touring the BC versus a skier who spends every weekend ripping the park up with a huge smile on their face.

I don't see why this huge distinction needs to be made. Ski what makes you happy. It is different for everyone.

That's a fair point. I guess it comes down to a philosophical difference. To me, among lots of other things, it is about the awesome beauty of the mountains and our place in the world. I'd rather have my kid's confidence built around that. Oh, and it's pretty fun too!

As for my location, well, I am eleven time zones away from you, so I think I will have to wait for your regular production run...

**iggyskier** · 11-17-2008, 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Lizhnik

That's a fair point. I guess it comes down to a philosophical difference. To me, among lots of other things, it is about the awesome beauty of the mountains and our place in the world. I'd rather have my kid's confidence built around that. Oh, and it's pretty fun too!

As for my location, well, I am eleven time zones away from you, so I think I will have to wait for your regular production run...

I think one thing to consider is that a lot of these park kids are young. It is hard for 15 year olds to find the spiritual aspect of skiing a lot of the time, and skiing around the park stoned doesn't count

.

Give em time. They are not going to be park skiers their whole lives. Your body just can't handle it. As it becomes more and more apparent to them that there is a life outside the park, you will see them begin to venture into the amazing areas that you have already found. Haha lets just hope they take some time doing it!

One thing I like about the park is it keeps a lot of skiers out of the good shit....

and maybe things will work out amazingly and I will get the chance to do some demoing outside the US. That would be sickness!

**addict** · 11-17-2008, 03:48 AM

1 key thing I've been noticing while skimming through this thread:

NO ONE ON NS GETS SARCASM!

I mean seriously, these guys seem to take EVERY response seriously, they'll never get TGR with that attitude.

**ChromedToast** · 11-17-2008, 04:13 AM

Sag Straps are dope man - Tom Wallisch

lolcakes.

**Mr.Bishop** · 11-17-2008, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by addict

1 key thing I've been noticing while skimming through this thread:

NO ONE ON NS GETS SARCASM!

I mean seriously, these guys seem to take EVERY response seriously, they'll never get TGR with that attitude.

I'm going to go ahead and agree with you. This whole thing got WAY out of hand, when the original post was meant to be straight jokes. If that had been me stretching my tall T, adjusting my goggles, or doing some other silly fashion thing I would have laughed quite hard.

So people on NS who are still reading this thread, take a deep breath and realise that its all in good fun. STop the rediculous flaming and insults... whats the point?

To the TGR people, thanks for the tip... I'm totally going to bust my Newschoolers 5XL tall T this winter, and I'm going to stretch that motherfucker until shit is like 10XL. It'll be like wearing priest robes...

Maybe I'll even be able to trick people into thinking I'm not turning 30?

**skifishbum** · 11-17-2008, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mr.Bishop

whats the point?

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ighlight=Point

**Meadow Skipper** · 11-17-2008, 08:12 AM

Originally Posted by wren

This thread isn't as much fun as it was a couple pages ago.

As of this morning, it looks like the shark has been jumped.

**yooper** · 11-17-2008, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

As of this morning, it looks like the shark has been jumped.

Big time. I was hoping for a bunch of Tom Wallish photoshops.

**PowTron** · 11-17-2008, 10:04 AM

If this was already posted, I apologize...but I now know who LJ is

http://www.lineskis.com/stories/51

advres · 11-17-2008, 10:11 AM

I'm sure advertisers are excited about this new development. watching site hits increase. MCPoser should get a cut of ad revenue

**f2f** · 11-17-2008, 10:56 AM

**P_McPoser** · 11-17-2008, 11:42 AM

^^ that one was rad.

Oh and yeah, I'll take some money for sure.

**papasteeze** · 11-17-2008, 11:53 AM

Hello!

Wow.. so much I want to say. Iggy and JD hit most of the points of why I am involved. I did make some posts in this thread and I think the points were buried amongst all the chatter. I like to repeat that I am disappointed that LJ and Tom did not stretch their shirts between the washer and dryer.. Funny cause I think Tom taught my son that trick. What an amateur mistake. On the other hand those guys have hook-ups galore, so they probably are always wearing new...

The biggest point I want to make, is the time about 2 years ago when I was giving my son a bunch of crap for ill fitting ski wear. It was a comment my mother made to me on the slopes.

Rob, leave him alone, you remember all that stuff you wore in when you were a kid?

Now with that.. I recently bought 6 hoodies all xxxxl and larger at Marshalls for less than $20. The gleam and stokedness that came from that kid was something that made me feel like a hero. I don't know how many of you have kids. It's the little things, he doesn't seem to appreciate that he skies in epic places, but damn he loves those hoodies the same way I loved my embroidered bell bottoms.

Oh! This thursday night, in front of the Austrian Embassy in Washington DC, he has been invited to "preform" as one of six invited snow enthusiasts to throw down on an elevated, scaffolded Red-Bull set up filled with Ice rink snow. I would like to add that he is the only skier. Yep I said Skier, he is a skier and it is skiing and apparently the dignitaries of a skiing Mecca like Austria, think it is significant enough to put this on or make fun of him. who knows. All I know is that I am proud of how he keeps the fun in all types of skiing.

BTW - If you see him around your resort, shred some pow with him or challenge him to a dual Nastar, I think you will be surprised. He skis park because that's where he has the most fun here in the east.

Peace people! Live and let live.

PS.. excellent humorous first post and kodak moment. I apologize for those that don't get the humor in all of this.

**skifishbum** · 11-17-2008, 11:56 AM

Soy Blog
GTFO and get back to babysitting the steezy retards

**Binky** · 11-17-2008, 12:50 PM

**TV Casualty** · 11-17-2008, 01:40 PM

I've been trying to think who the guy on the left reminded me of, and I suddenly realize:

its the Toulouse-Lautrec Steeze. Mad props to the short insane frenchman broh-brahs.

**sconniestyle** · 11-17-2008, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by iggyskier

Well, you might find this funny then. NS is a lot older than people think. The difference is that the older members aren't posting pictures of their 5'5" selves in XXL Oakley's, Tall-T's, and bandanas. And there is a lot of shit like that. So sometimes it takes a little work to find good stuff or deal with the main forums over there. Trust me. As a mod I spend my fair share of time just keeping them functioning. But there is lots of cool shit over there too, a lot of which is not offered on TGR. Such as private forums (called cults) which are basically way better than public forums on either site.

There is no doubt that the clothing those kids are wearing is pretty ridiculous. I mean....I totally laugh at people I see dressed up like that. But doesn't mean they are any less of a skier than I am, they just dress like a retard, and if they want to dress like a retard, then they should be able to. it gives me something to gawk at in the liftlines.

Anyway, back to the age issue. I know these numbers because 1) I am an NS mod and 2) I am (hopefully) soon to be a NS advertiser.

Less than 10% of the NS members are under the age of 16.
About 40% are between the age of 17-20.
Another 30% between 21-24.
then 25% are between 25-39.
And lastly, about 2% are over 40.

Few other things to consider. NS is fucking huge. I think there is over 115,000 members created (of course there are doubles, triples, alias, etc, but I think that number is about 5 times the number on TGR) and the majority of people who surf NS are not active participants (which I would not be surprised is the case here as well).

I think during their peak month of 08, NS had something like 120,000 individual NS visitors. Of that, I think it was like 30% that are active posters. So that is 40,000 people actively involved in the website. With that, you are going to have a lot of shit with the good.

So yeah, just a few things to consider. Just because the 15 year olds in tall-Ts are the ones posting in threads that are all about 15 year old kids showing off their tall-Ts doesn't mean that that defines the site, although way too often it gets limited to that.
And the same goes for TGR. Obviously I see good aspects of both places, but a lot of people on NS think people on TGR are idiots who don't ski or what not and they obviously have no fucking clue what they are talking about.

So yeah, I mean...if people want to hate, by all means do whatever you want. It doesn't do any good but hey, this IS the internet so who gives a shit. In this case, those pictures are just fucking genius and I am laughing with everyone else.

But the lump kids in tall-Ts with everyone else on NS is ridiculous.
I think about 65% of NS's unique visitors are from the US. So if we were all baggy, XXL, bandana'ed out kids wearing tall-Ts, that would mean there were roughly 70,000 skiers in the US just like that.
And that just isn't the case. Unless there is literally 70,000 kids dressed in that shit at Park City, Keystone, etc. I am never in the park so I don't really know, but hahaha I at least hope that is not the case!!!

SO yeah, off the soapbox. If people on here want to hate on NS, it really doesn't bother me because the stereotypes being hated on are definitely prevalent over there. But not all NS users dress/act like that.

The funniest thing I always find is people who do post at both places often use different screennames. Not sure if they don't want people to know they post at both places, but it seems to happen more times than not.

good points all around. i post on ns a lot, have been a member for a long time. my screen name is different there because i just have been too lazy to change it (ftr it's markd13) and i like this one better.

i do find myself spending a lot more time on tgr lately though, and a part of that is due to the age of many ns members. a bigger part of that is due to the type of skiing i enjoy now, as opposed to when i was younger living in the midwest.

i know that there are a lot of mature, intelligent posters on ns (and many immature, functionally retarded posters on tgr), but there are also a lot of kids who make serious threads asking if their outerwear setup for the upcoming season is cool enough. i'm not saying that i wasn't concerned about the same things at 14, i'm just not anymore.

both forums are fantastic for their promotion of the ski industry however, and both give their members lots of stoke to get out and send it on the mountain, however they might enjoy doing so.

advres · 11-17-2008, 02:07 PM

jesus, NS deletes their thread about this, so now we have to have the spillover here.

Hey NS Mods/Admins. Do us a favor and undelete the thread so we can continue making fun of these douches without all of this touchy feely love shit.

**PowTron** · 11-17-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by advres

jesus, NS deletes their thread about this, so now we have to have the spillover here.

Weaksauce, NS...I guess the truth hurts.

The NS kids are like the EMO kids of the world afterall.

**ImSearchingforPowder** · 11-17-2008, 02:11 PM

Originally Posted by JD May

I'm sure with all the credit you extend to the membership of this forum re: intelligence (on which I pass no judgment; I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent people on here, as well as plenty of idiots and tools, as there are everywhere), it likely does not need to be pointed out to anyone here that attempts to judge someone's intelligence, then place them in a hierarchy, on the basis of three or four posts doesn't say much for the guy who's doing it... leaving aside the question of how you determined "how smart I think I am". As for Rob's kid, well, his kid's actually not doing too badly with his park thing, and judging by the ear to ear smile on his face up on the glacier this summer, he seems to be enjoying what he's doing with his skiing. So how does it affect you? From what you've revealed in this post, at least, I don't really think anyone here would want you as their poster boy, so speaking of digging holes, maybe it's best to stop before you even pick up the shovel. And once again, I've been a TGR member since before you probably knew this place existed, so enough with the xenophobia already, we're all just skiers, and if people don't think I'm a very smart guy by their standards I suppose they're entitled to that opinion.

Well said.

None of us did; one of the admins deleted it, apparently because of all the pissing contests and juvenile us vs. them mentality therein, as Scott mentioned earlier.

Originally Posted by JD May

Come on now, you're not really going to hate on someone for their post count on an internet website, are you? I'm not even going there.

I'm going to say I don't get it, because I still don't see how I'm out of place on TGR. I ski the same kind of stuff the rest of you do on the same kind of skis as many of you. I'm not sure what you mean about wearing baggy clothes and doing tricks because they look good, because I don't own sag straps (are those things for real? I swear that has to be a joke) and as I mentioned some pages ago I don't take park laps until I'm skiing in slush, at which point I absolutely suck at it (it's pretty fun though if you're with a bunch of friends, when there's nothing better to ski). So yeah, still lost on that one, but fully willing to be enlightened.

Now, as for the parent thing, do you really think the guy should be intensely scruitinizing where his kid chooses to slide around on snow, or would it not be better to let him do what makes him happy and offer support and encouragement? Seems to me the attitude you're proposing is reminiscent of the hockey dads who follow refs to their cars shouting at them because of a call in their 12 year old's junior game... it's just skiing. Yeah, none of us could live without it, and some of us are going through withdrawl right now (fucking PNW and its lack of snow), but when it comes down to it it's a recreational activity and it's about having fun, however you choose to do so. Personally, I choose bowls and chutes. But if others want to hop around on metal, and do spinny flippy things off groomed jumps, more power to them. It's fun as hell to watch... at least, I think it is, others' views may vary.

Originally Posted by JD May

On NS, yeah. Particularly recently, Doug (who sets most of the policy for the forums) is on a big anti-hate tear on NS, and wants less meaningless bitching and fighting for no reason on the boards. We try to maintain some semblance of order on a forum full of rich teenagers, you can imagine the sheer volume of thread crap that would result if the moderation policies weren't fairly strict. Anyway, it doesn't really matter if people agree with how NS chooses to run its website, that's pretty much beside the point, but that's why it was taken down.

If you build your jumps right, parks are honestly not all that dangerous for those who have a little common sense... and experienced park rats know what they're doing. I think there's a lot more risk involved in what we do; I've never been buried in a park, there aren't a lot of hidden rocks in the landings, and it's very, very hard to get cliffed out sliding rails.

How much fucking time do you have on your hands???

**thin cover** · 11-17-2008, 02:17 PM

ET phone home after dope night time park sesh

**beefcake** · 11-17-2008, 03:15 PM

i have seen much much taller tees than that.

and can i just say.....i would rather have a mans clothes be slightly over-sized anyday....

rather than be able to see some mans ball- SAC through his skin tight ski pants and aero dynamic belly jacket as he makes gaping S turns down the 3 beginner runs at keystone.

may the tall tee LIVE ON!!!!

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