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10-23-2008, 07:39 PM #1
Europe mags - thoughts about election?
I was just in Greece for 10 days (jealous? you should be - it was AMAZING!!!), and nearly every single person I met wanted to talk about the US election. Every person I spoke with - the cab driver, the chef in the taverna, the waiter, the business owner was for Obama. I'm a huge Obama fan, so of course I was thrilled, but I was surprised.
I'm not sure why - I suppose I'm just used to more contention here. But of the people I talked to, not a single one was pro McCain. The general consensus seemed to be that this was our great hope to redeem ourselves.
I also read an article in a Greek magazine that quoted the stats: 85% of Greeks support Obama, 5% McCain... Again, surprised (but in full disclosure, pleased).
I hadn't travelled outside of North/South America in years, so I didn't quite know what to expect.
So, would love to hear from Europe mags on this.“Within this furnace of fear, my passion for life burns fiercely. I have consumed all evil. I have overcome my doubt. I am the fire.”
10-23-2008, 07:58 PM #2
10-23-2008, 08:07 PM #3
I'm suprised you are suprised.
10-23-2008, 08:09 PM #4“Within this furnace of fear, my passion for life burns fiercely. I have consumed all evil. I have overcome my doubt. I am the fire.”
10-23-2008, 08:19 PM #5
This is all quite surprising.
10-23-2008, 09:49 PM #6
Many shots this evening...surprised I did that... Holy shit.
10-23-2008, 10:31 PM #7
10-24-2008, 07:22 AM #8
Indeed, all of yurp and even those parts of "yurp" that are a little further east than what you might think of as yurp are totally in the tank for Obama.
As is all of Asia, south and central america, africa and the south pacific. And Canada too, eh.
Only Antarctica isn't and that's merely a contractual issue that prevents them from supporting Obama. There are a suspicious number of Obama buttons there."It is not the result that counts! It is not the result but the spirit! Not what - but how. Not what has been attained - but at what price.
- A. Solzhenitsyn
10-24-2008, 07:51 AM #9
Palin is scary. She's so totally out of her league (not to mention a religious wacko) that the idea that she could be the leader of the free world is unreal. Un real. As the fact that Mc Cain chose her as a VP.
I also think that the election of Obama would be very positive to restore the moral leadership of the USA. Everybody would love you guys... It would be a very powerfull statement.
Otherwise, politics as usual. Lots of negative ads (mostly from the GOP, but not only), not much real debate. Not to brilliant, but to be expected.
Mc Cain is disapointing (I thought he had more moral spine) and I like Obama. That's what campaigns are made for. To make up your mind.
And I'm surprised you're surprised. Too."Typically euro, french in particular, in my opinion. It's the same skiing or climbing there. They are completely unfazed by their own assholeness. Like it's normal." - srsosbso
10-24-2008, 08:36 AM #10
10-24-2008, 01:57 PM #11
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10-25-2008, 03:52 AM #12
I'm optimisic. I'd like to see Obama recoup some of the US' moral capital, but even McCain is better than what you've had for the last eight years.
Both steps in the right direction."Nothing is funnier than Hitler." - Smokey McPole
10-25-2008, 04:21 AM #13
as every day goes by, mccain choosing palin seems a more bizarre move
if i had the vote, it would probably still have gone to obama regardless of who mccain had chosen, but choosing palin seems to have compromised mccain massivelyfur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
10-25-2008, 06:13 AM #14Registered User
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I tried to work out what was actually going on here http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...=132196&page=2 and failed miserably.
10-25-2008, 06:35 AM #15
i was told by an american colleague that they were actually banned from talking about the last election at work because they were people got so partisan about it
it's the comments about obama being a "communist" or a "socialist" that really bemuse me. by euro standards, obama is probably at the right end of centre right. mccain seems relatively liberal for a republican, but generally they are off-the-scale-rightfur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
10-25-2008, 06:44 AM #16Registered User
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My latest favourite partisan attack is that Obama will ruin the country with his secret agenda!!!!!! He'll get into office, and then just go against everything he says!
Yeah, like the Republicans have a good track record to make attacks like that. Hello Enron? Anyway, what kind of attack is that? "Everything they say is the exact opposite of what they'll actually do!" I mean obviously you can't know something like that.
I don't really see why appeasing the fanatics is a good way to win an election anyway - surely people blind enough to be that stupid are voting for you anyway. Then again, I guess between beating the same drum beats the UK way of trying to be whatever type of government the papers are braying for this week....
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10-25-2008, 07:06 AM #17
yeah, it's not like UK politics is without its charlatans, bullshitters and zealots. reading through the comments on the guardian's comment is free blog reveals just as much nuttiness as some of the stuff on herefur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
10-25-2008, 07:47 AM #18
I live in Argentina full time and most people are more interested in talking about the Governator Schwartezenger that El Diablo Bush and the election.
10-25-2008, 08:38 AM #19
Israel: for Obama
France: thinks were are the biggest joke
*from my conversation with my Israeli ex-wife's family and a few French folk.
I have to hand it to the French on this one.Every man dies. Not every man lives.
You don’t stop playing because you grow old; you grow old because you stop playing.
10-25-2008, 09:49 AM #20
I am not looking forward to four more years of ridicule from my Dutch friends if McCain/Palin get elected. The last eight have been bad enough, and my only response has been, "at least I didn't vote for Bush". If McCain/Palin get elected I will have to stop visiting Europe; it will be too embarrassing.
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
10-25-2008, 10:00 AM #21
Obama and morals... Hmmm... I'll really have to figure out where that one is going. He's surrounded himself with people of great moral fabric, ya know...
10-25-2008, 10:00 AM #22
10-25-2008, 10:13 AM #23
10-25-2008, 10:24 AM #24Registered User
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No one cares what you think. Fuck off.
10-25-2008, 10:28 AM #25