Thread: How the Dems can stop shooting themselves in the foot

-Appeal to middle america, swing for the fence, the best way to win an election is to try and find common ground with EVERYONE. Compromise is a great tool.
-Show real plans to create good paying, blue collar jobs in the midwest again
-Show Obama on TV relaxing and drinking a beer, lots of people still believe he's secretly a Muslim. The only 'relaxed' Obama pics i've seen so far are him shooting hoops. That appeals to a lot of blue collar and inter city blacks. Show him drinking a beer and watching football yelling at the TV, there ya go with the same segment of whites.
-Show Obama attending a normal, blue collar church (he claims to do this anyways)
-Stop attacking Palin's lack of prestigous education, a lot of middle america would be very proud to see their children graduate from ANY school with ANY degree. Simple people don't like priveledged, condescending pricks.
-Stop attacking Palin in genereal. Simple people don't like guys who pick on women.
-Start attacking issues, while maintaining the high road. This is where Obama has excelled so far, but it needs to trickle down to the whole campaign and whole party.
-Seperate themselves from the far left. Condemn leftist protesters as childish. Simple people see the silence as an approval.
-Talk tougher on DEFENSE. Simple people see democrats as weak, non-fighters. Obama needs to clarify that he will be ruthless in ACTUAL defense of this country and its close allies, but does not support wanton acts of war "just because." Even Simple people don't like the Iraq war, but they don't want to see our military budgets cut.

And of his Image:
Obama needs to transform himself more strongly into the role as the underpriveledged child of a single mother who pulled himself up the ladder using hard work, god, and discipline to acheive the American Dream. His resume speaks to his intelligence, but he needs to relax and show that even someone who went to Harvard law is capable of identifying with Joe American. Obama is the only one in this race besides Palin who can do that and be Legit. McCain is Funny. Palin is Funny. Obama is too fucking serious all the time.

Just some thoughts I had. Cunt away. Obviously there are people who spend their whole careers figuring this shit out, so what the fuck do I know.

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

-Appeal to middle america, swing for the fence, the best way to win an election is to try and find common ground with EVERYONE. Compromise is a great tool.
-Show real plans to create good paying, blue collar jobs in the midwest again
-Show Obama on TV relaxing and drinking a beer, lots of people still believe he's secretly a Muslim. The only 'relaxed' Obama pics i've seen so far are him shooting hoops. That appeals to a lot of blue collar and inter city blacks. Show him drinking a beer and watching football yelling at the TV, there ya go with the same segment of whites.
-Show Obama attending a normal, blue collar church (he claims to do this anyways)
-Stop attacking Palin's lack of prestigous education, a lot of middle america would be very proud to see their children graduate from ANY school with ANY degree. Simple people don't like priveledged, condescending pricks.
-Stop attacking Palin in genereal. Simple people don't like guys who pick on women.
-Start attacking issues, while maintaining the high road. This is where Obama has excelled so far, but it needs to trickle down to the whole campaign and whole party.
-Seperate themselves from the far left. Condemn leftist protesters as childish. Simple people see the silence as an approval.
-Talk tougher on DEFENSE. Simple people see democrats as weak, non-fighters. Obama needs to clarify that he will be ruthless in ACTUAL defense of this country and it's close allies, but does not support wanton acts of war "just because." Even Simple people don't like the Iraq war, but they don't want to see our military budgets cut.

And of his Image:
Obama needs to transform himself more strongly into the role as the underpriveledged child of a single mother who pulled himself up the ladder using hard work, god, and discipline to acheive the American Dream. His resume speaks to his intelligence, but he needs to relax and show that even someone who went to Harvard law is capable of identifying with Joe American. Obama is the only one in this race besides Palin who can do that and be Legit. McCain is Funny. Palin is Funny. Obama is too fucking serious all the time.

Just some thoughts I had. Cunt away. Obviously there are people who spend their whole careers figuring this shit out, so what the fuck do I know.

Agree on pretty much every point.

However, I don't see this as Obama's race to lose anymore. It's now the media/left wingnut's race to lose. And I seriously doubt that those guys will wake up.

Truthfully, I feel sorry for Obama. I think he's a decent guy with not entirely bad ideas about some things. He's gotta be feeling like a twig being swept down the rapids lately. I really hope he doesn't fade into windsurfing obscurity or try to start up a freaky new cult like the past two losers.

obama has a wet jump shot.


i saw this t shirt on a kid at my corner bodega this morning.

I think Obama maybe needs to attack the media that think "they're helping him" as well.

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

-Stop attacking Palin's lack of prestigous education, a lot of middle america would be very proud to see their children graduate from ANY school with ANY degree. Simple people don't like priveledged, condescending pricks.
-Stop attacking Palin in genereal. Simple people don't like guys who pick on women.

Obama and his campaign have had nothing to do with either of these... you seem to be confusicating him/them with the media and online bloggers in this case?

Originally Posted by Jer

Agree on pretty much every point.

However, I don't see this as Obama's race to lose anymore. It's now the media/left wingnut's race to lose. And I seriously doubt that those guys will wake up.

Truthfully, I feel sorry for Obama. I think he's a decent guy with not entirely bad ideas about some things. He's gotta be feeling like a twig being swept down the rapids lately. I really hope he doesn't fade into windsurfing obscurity or try to start up a freaky new cult like the past two losers.

Totally agree, Obama and his team seem restrained on attacks and focused on their own agenda, whereas the media/far lefts continue the path of self-righteousness to the point where I tune out.

We'll start to see the true campaign strategies in the new couple of weeks.

Until now, It's all been like us out on the mountain scoping those big lines that we want to stomp. Talking about this or that in preparation doesn't mean squat after you point the tips down the fall line.

I think they're doing fine. You guys must be watching Fox News.

The GOP is making this into a referendum on character and identity politics, while spreading mis-and half-truths about Obama. Obama will get to answer all of those assertions and the character issue in the debates, which people will watch- look at the TV turnouts for the Conventions. He will absolutely kill McCain on live television, and people can decide then. People really like and are impressed by the guy.

Also- middle America is great and all, but the electoral map favors Obama.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Also- middle America is great and all, but the electoral map favors Obama.

From what I understand Wyoming is the bell-weather of bell-weathers, it doesnt look good for the dems.

Originally Posted by P_McPoser

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-Show Obama on TV relaxing and drinking a beer, lots of people still believe he's secretly a Muslim. The only 'relaxed' Obama pics i've seen so far are him shooting hoops. That appeals to a lot of blue collar and inter city blacks. Show him drinking a beer and watching football yelling at the TV, there ya go with the same segment of whites.
ow.

He seems pretty relaxed here:


WOW - censorship strikes again! - video not available
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/pol...bama.jeans.cnn

Good points PMc. But it's still early in the process. Each party gets a boost in ratings after their convention, since each side's machine has a golden opportunity to spin their messages to the press & tv viewers at home. McCain also took some steam out of the Dems uptick with all the kerfuffle about Palin. Now, the debate will become a little more substantial.

As I continue to dig into positions on taxes and health care, this republican is finding more to like about Obama plans than McCain's. I think Barry can get some leverage with those midwest middle-class voters by pushing back on pocketbook issues rather than his continual message (to me anyway) of "vote for me because the current administration are a flock of douchebags". That was Jimmy Carter's main message, and look how well that turned for the country...

My biggest problem with Obama is in foreign policy. While I like the idea of talking with people who don't agree with you, I get a vision of him emerging from negotiations with Putin wearing a dog collar, leash, thigh-highs, high-heels and lipstick.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

I think they're doing fine. You guys must be watching Fox News.

the electoral map favors Obama.

i have no idea what you are talking about

Wyoming and Idaho are red as fuck. game, set, and match

Originally Posted by telebobski

While I like the idea of talking with people who don't agree with you, I get a vision of him emerging from negotiations with Putin wearing a dog collar, leash, thigh-highs, high-heels and lipstick.

Are you kidding me? Obama strikes me as a guy who would be a terrific negotiator. He has the confidence, that's for sure.

If there's one thing that we've learned from the Iraq experience, it's that dick-waving gets you nowhere.

He's got the gay cowboy vote all locked up

Originally Posted by Core Shot

He's got the gay cowboy vote all locked up

so thats about 80% of cowboys. and?

Originally Posted by basom

obama has a wet jump shot.


i saw this t shirt on a kid at my corner bodega this morning.

i have a friend of a friend who grew up with Obama, and yes he used to do blow and shit with him back in the day...anyhow he gets flown into to random locals every few weeks for hoops games when Obama needs to wind down.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Are you kidding me? Obama strikes me as a guy who would be a terrific negotiator. He has the confidence, that's for sure.

Steve - ever stop to think that just maybe you aren't representative of the average dumbass unedjamakated fox news watching American?

He may seem cool to you, however there's only one of you.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Are you kidding me? Obama strikes me as a guy who would be a terrific negotiator. He has the confidence, that's for sure.

If there's one thing that we've learned from the Iraq experience, it's that dick-waving gets you nowhere.

GWB had plenty of confidence about Iraq too. Look how far that got him. It takes way more than confidence to be a good negotiator. Like a lot experience at it, and the scar tissue that comes along with that experience.

Again, I'm talking about the (OK, my) current perception of Obama, and what he might do to change that.

Originally Posted by Jer

Steve - ever stop to think that just maybe you aren't representative of the average dumbass unedjamakated fox news watching American?

I think I'm a reasonable guy, and I think most Americans are reasonable people. And I think a lot of people like Obama- he is currently leading the presidential polling by a decent margin.

Originally Posted by telebobski

GWB had plenty of confidence about Iraq too. Look how far that got him.

Um, I don't recall negotiation being one of the planks of the Iraq program. Perhaps I overlooked it, as I was in a constant state of shock and awe.

It's worked well in Syria, though.

Originally Posted by Jer

.... It's now the media/left wingnut's race to lose. And I seriously doubt that those guys will wake up.
....

The media is giving Palin way way way way way more coverage than she or the story could possibly warrant.

And suddenly and constantly calling McCain a "maverick".

How can people claim there's a left bias to any of this media, when they so willingly do the Republicans' bidding? I agree that there seems to be a superficial bias on CNN, for example, but they are always excited to do whatever the GOP says they should. From 9/11 to today the US media has been, and continues to be, a complete joke.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

I think I'm a reasonable guy, and I think most Americans are reasonable people. And I think a lot of people like Obama- he is currently leading the presidential polling by a decent margin.

1%-3% is a decent margin now?

He's got 8 years of Bush disaster and most of the media in his pocket ( although I suppose the latter has recently become a millstone around his neck), he should be smoking McCain in the polls.

Hey - I think a whole lotta people like Obama too. A whole lotta people probably still like Duran Duran too, but I don't see them burning up the charts.

Originally Posted by Cliff Huckable

I do agrtee that there seems to be a superficial bias on CNN, for example, but they are always excited to do whatever the GOP says they should.

You cannot be serious.

Yeah - MSNBC too - their totally in love with the GOP.

And Kieth Olbermann is a great journalist.

Originally Posted by telebobski

My biggest problem with Obama is in foreign policy. While I like the idea of talking with people who don't agree with you, I get a vision of him emerging from negotiations with Putin wearing a dog collar, leash, thigh-highs, high-heels and lipstick.

Good point. Kennedy didn't deal well with Russia initially which led to the Cuban missile crisis. Russians understand strength. Obama would do well to look to history for dealing with Putin. Putin probably leans more toward Kruschev and less towards Gorbachev. Except Putin probably a lot more savvy than Kruschev.

Originally Posted by Steven S. Dallas

Um, I don't recall negotiation being one of the planks of the Iraq program. Perhaps I overlooked it, as I was in a constant state of shock and awe.

Are we talking about confidence or negotiation skill/experience here? You keep jumping back and forth. Yes, Bush sucks at international (and national for that matter) diplomacy, but that never hurt his confidence (at least until his decisions came home to roost).

Experience > confidence.