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Thread: intuition liners
03-17-2008, 09:02 AM #1
This is my first post so go easy. I just spent 9 days in Jackson hole/targhee and upgraded my stock liner on a pair of 29 technica diablo ski boots to the intuition liner. First question, the only thing the place I got them had in my size was scarpa intuition brand liners, they seem fine so I went with them, are they as good as the intution brand itself liners. Second, the liners were cooked on a double stack in the shell, foot beds in after heating. I used a thin sock with DOUBLE TOE CAP (shit it hurt). I have yet to ski on these since I bought them the last day of my trip and live on the east coast. I have noticed that they feel like a cast, and also the toes are very tight. It feels like my toes are touching even when I flex forward, and there is slight pressure from above my toes, which I know will suck when I am skiing for 7 or so hours. The person baking them said I could allways re-cook them with some extra foam over my toes to make room. Although the shell is a 2 finger fit, the new liners are so much thicker than the stock ones that now my toes are touching. I dont ski enough to worry about wasting a re-bake, but is there a way to only heat up the toes, or will I eventually pack them out at the toes and make room, thanks
03-17-2008, 09:30 AM #2
Ski them for three days then repost. If the pressure on the toes is still bad, you could heat the toe area(only) with a heat gun and remold that part of the liner. All new liners hurt at first in my experience. Skiing them will feel much different than wearing them around the house too.Leave No Turn Unstoned!
03-17-2008, 09:33 AM #3
Are you wearing a footbed?
03-17-2008, 09:40 AM #4
Go to a good fitter and see if they can push the toes of the liner out a little to give you a bit more room. Most resorts should have a boot fitter who could do this. What size is your liner? My feet are a men's street size 8.5 to 9.5 depending on brand of shoe. My boots I ski in all the time are a Lange WC 130 size 25.5/300mm shell size. I first bought a size 8.0 Intuition Alpine Custom Powerwrap liner but found it to be one size too big. I ended up going with a size 7.0. They were a tight & short fit right out of the box - after cooking the liners I had the toes stretched out a tad to give me more room and the fit is right on. Very tight at first but they took about 5 to 6 good solid days of skiing to "seat" in and feel perfect. I am wondering if you bought a size too big liner? Send a message to "mntlion" - dave - he is an excellent boot fitter and would be great to ask this question to."If you are prepared for zombies, you are prepared for anything"
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03-17-2008, 02:45 PM #5
thanks for the replies. I am using a footbed, it was put in after heating but not in my sock. I have a size 29 shell, and the liner is an 11. I tried the half size smaller (scarpa makes half sizes and it was a 28.5) and my toes were literally curled and the pain was redic. The 29 liner (or size 11) is really tight but the length is tolerable when I flex forward (my toes barely touch the front). Like I said the problem is the pressure above my toes where the shell on the technica seems to angle down toward the toes and this thick liner was pushed into my toes. The ankes are also pretty tight and painful when I wear this new setup around the house. Hopefully they will pack out alittle when I ski them, although many people told me they felt great right out of the store after molding. I was expecting a fit in which I didnt really notice the boots at all, right away, fat chance I guess. Not sure if I should remold them with thicker socks or tighter binding levels for fitting, or try them for a few days.
03-17-2008, 02:49 PM #6Registered User
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My liners broke in after about 5 days, specifically my heel sunk in significantly moving my toes back with 'em. I went from toes touching to not touching and tightened my ankle buckle (kryptons) 2 notches more than day one.
So ski them, break them in, tighten your lower ankle buckle at least a notch, and then report back.
03-17-2008, 08:09 PM #7
I went thru pain with intuitions after swapping the old comfy stock liners out. First thing I did after I realized they weren't going to "break in" was to swap custom beds for a thinner bed...that helped. Then I tried with no footbeds and there is NO compromise in performance/boot response and they are COMFY and snug/stiff all at the same time.If it's green, smoke it...if it's pink, poke it
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03-17-2008, 09:32 PM #8
it's really hard to bootfit over the internet, but you can PM me if you have any specific questions. (just hold the stream of consciousness )
03-17-2008, 09:50 PM #9Registered User
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Did you let the pain make you scrunch your toes up? Sounds like you're having a similar issue to the one I had - http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ight=intuition
Larger shell fit and letting toes curl up means that the foam will just take up the space instead. Like Squatch said in that thread, a burly toecap is key - I ended up taping my foot to footbed and then taping my toes straight, then taping over pipe insulation, then sock. Worked out well. Still took a few days to break in properly though.
03-18-2008, 07:14 AM #10
My Dalbello Kryps with the ID Silver liners are finally pretty comfortable after about 5 days on a re-cook. The first day was MURDER!!
03-18-2008, 07:41 AM #11
I had major pain issues my first day out on the intutions. Mostly in the heel areas but the toe spaces on my Technicas were also very tight, even molding with a toe cap. I had molded them with footbeds in, but decided to take them out and give them a try. Problem solved and now they feel great. Even without the footbeds, I have a much more enhanced feeling of control. As a bonus these things are way light!Red-i-XS
03-20-2008, 04:45 PM #12
thanks for all the advice. Can someone tell me how to use a heatgun for a small part of these liners. I still have some pressure above my toes that I would like to compress slightly and use a heat gun and do it myself, very small amount. Also, is it normal to have some of the stitching pull out, with some small holes in the liner after the first bake and pulling it in and out of the boot.
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