Thread: REVIEW: 192 Big Bros

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Muchas gracias. May have to look into these since I can't seem to drop below 200lbs.

i feel like this belongs here

mmmmm shiny

thanks for the review marshal. are they really heavier than the XXL? i guess i skied those with tyrolia demos, but still, they weren't light.

Marshall - Thanks for the review, I've been waiting for it. Did you get the "competition" flex or the the more regular human oriented flex?

My 192's are mounted at 1065 and are supposedly a bit softer than most (at my request). Mine also sport about 2 mm or reverse camber in the top 1/3 or the ski and about 2 mm of normal camber under foot. I will be (pending more snow) using them as my soft and deep ski and day after crud ski - can't wait to get some turns in on them. Thanks for the stoke!

splat can answer the flex. they are burly, and about as stiff as superstiff 188's

Originally Posted by marshalolson

...compared to other skis out there, i would say they ski most similarly to the 190 pow + but with a little lighter & livlier feel, and to an iggy FFF, but less boardy or planky. ....

difference being the sidecut of the bro.

Originally Posted by marshalolson

they absolutley STOMP airs. just land on your feet with some speed, and yer good. holy cow. just love to stomp. they just suck you into the ground super smoothly. there is nothing resembling tip or tail slapping.

stompy! stompy!!

stompy! Stompy!!!!!

UGH!

they completely rail groomers

Could you elaborate on this a bit, Marshal?

I get that the skis you mentioned work great on the day of a dump and the day after for big, powerful turns and straight-lining. That is enough to make them attractive to me. My question is what else can they do? More specifically, would this kind of ski still be your ski of choice for railing big, high-speed turns when there hasn't been any new snow for a week and conditions inbounds have gone to hardpack or even ice? If this kind of ski is that versatile, is there any need in the quiver for a narrower big-turn, fast ski?

Not to steal Marshal's thunder, but I have a few days of groomers under my belt on the 192s.

The fatty 192 is super super fun on groomers. Maybe it's the stiffness, maybe it's the sidecut, or maybe it's the commitment that comes with railing something with a 114 mm waist, but it's just fun to ride the 192s most of the time. That said, the fatties are skis that do best when you ski hard, even though they are versatile and lively. Since I've got a pair of 188 stiffs (which pretty much excel with little effort in all conditions for me), I do not normally reach for the 192s if I don't think I'll be spending most of the day on big lines (for me) of crud, mank or pow.

Other opinions may differ, but if I were looking for a one ski quiver (which it sounds like you are), I'd be looking at the Bro Model.

Obviously, I'm biased 'cause I drank up all the koolaid...

But I just came back from skiing the WROD at Solitude on the 192s. Just take a wide stance, keep your weight forward, work the edge and you get a solid carve everytime on the 192s. Bumps? No, I'm not going to ski the zipperline on the 192s, but your definition of what a bump is will change when you're on these skis. Why ski around a mogul when you can just crush it into nonexistence?

I ski my 192s almost all the time. It's sort of like masturbation: there's times when it's probably inappropriate, but I do it anyway because it's so much fun.

Now I'm headed to Targhee to ski the pow. 18" in the last 24 hours and more to come. Wheee!

Originally Posted by Pierre LeCouloir

The fatty 192 is super super fun on groomers.

Agreed. Yes, they rail hard, especially if you like SG turns and going fast.

Sounds like a pretty bang on assesment to me, with the only thing being the weight. I held up a XXL and a 192 back to back and the 192 felt significantly lighter. I didn't put them on a scale, but it was a big enough difference to not remotely doubt it.

Oh ya if it flexes like a 188 superstiff than its competition stiff.

carbon 192's atrain? what are yours marsha?

Thanks, marshal. I'll just chime in and say the typical 192 weighs 6 lbs per ski, 5 lbs per ski with the carbon. I got people using these babies as their got-to AT skis.

Originally Posted by Twoplanker

Obviously, I'm biased 'cause I drank up all the koolaid...

But I just came back from skiing the WROD at Solitude on the 192s. Just take a wide stance, keep your weight forward, work the edge and you get a solid carve everytime on the 192s. Bumps? No, I'm not going to ski the zipperline on the 192s, but your definition of what a bump is will change when you're on these skis. Why ski around a mogul when you can just crush it into nonexistence?

I ski my 192s almost all the time. It's sort of like masturbation: there's times when it's probably inappropriate, but I do it anyway because it's so much fun.

Now I'm headed to Targhee to ski the pow. 18" in the last 24 hours and more to come. Wheee!

You got over and on top those things damn well.
Good meetin ya. Hope you make it out for another Solisunday w/ more snow and more worthy terrain open for a fkna killer ski.
Oh Splat that would be the go to rip some shit up AT ski. Those aint no meadow skippin, turn farmin sissy sticks.
PS
The resort owner threw Icemans pair away send another please.

Originally Posted by Twoplanker

Bumps? No, I'm not going to ski the zipperline on the 192s,

if you change your mind, the 192 will zipperline fine...as in 2:25 of this vid
http://www.mammoth-snowman.com/video...tv-pmgear.html

have fun in that Targhee pow! (damn I'm jealous!!)

Originally Posted by Pierre LeCouloir

Other opinions may differ, but if I were looking for a one ski quiver (which it sounds like you are), I'd be looking at the Bro Model.

Thanks, Pierre (and others). Just to be clear, I'm not really looking for a one ski quiver. I don't want to mount Dynafits on the 192s and try to tour them, and I expect to choose another ski if I want to do something other than ski big and aggressive lines. What I am looking to do is avoid unnecessary overlap. I want at least one pair of big, fast, GS/Super-G oriented skis, and I need to be able to ski both coasts (and sometimes in-between) in conditions from pow to ice. Yes, that's a demanding requirement, but it's still well short of one ski for absolutely everything. My questions really are: 1) Do I need separate East and West skis, or can I meet the above requirements with just one ski without making compromises? 2) Is the 192 that ski?

Originally Posted by skifishbum

You got over and on top those things damn well.
Good meetin ya. Hope you make it out for another Solisunday w/ more snow and more worthy terrain open for a fkna killer ski.
Oh Splat that would be the go to rip some shit up AT ski. Those aint no meadow skippin, turn farmin sissy sticks.
PS
The resort owner threw Icemans pair away send another please.

God I look like a fucking wanker! WTF? I thought I was rad?!? Gordy is going to kick my ass.

Nice meeting you SFB. I swear, you and splat might be related...

I will definitely get back down there soon! Next time I'll have some 2008 Bros to test out. WooHoo!

Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces

if you change your mind, the 192 will zipperline fine...as in 2:25 of this vid
http://www.mammoth-snowman.com/video...tv-pmgear.html

have fun in that Targhee pow! (damn I'm jealous!!)

See, that's how I thought I skied, dammit! I haven't seen that video - it kicks ass!

Put up Eon's video from Las Lenas. You think you ski like him, too.

Originally Posted by Daikon

My questions really are: 1) Do I need separate East and West skis, or can I meet the above requirements with just one ski without making compromises? 2) Is the 192 that ski?

I have to travel by plane to ski, so I'm only allowed to have one pair of skis. The 192s are a perfect one-ski quiver for me. They behave very well on piste (even at slow speeds) while messing around with my wife and kids. They fucking rip it up SG style when you hit a run on the way back to the lift. And they laugh at anything you throw at them off piste.

Daikon, I haven't skied the Big Bro, but since you need EC versatility, you may wanna consider the original Bro for a one ski quiver. EC bumps are way tighter.

Lots of Bros in use out East - they are my go to go anwhere daily driver. They also have no limits out West. Bigger and longer skis are more of a handful in the East.
Either way, you wont be dissapointed - they are great designs.

Thanks, Core Shot, but to repeat myself, I'm not looking for a one ski quiver. What I am looking for is to cover the big turn, fast ski niche in essentially all conditions with as few skis as possible. I'm just having trouble deciding whether I can do that with one burly fat ski, or whether I should really have a second pair of narrower GS/SG style skis dedicated to use on East Coast hardpack and ice. I know that wider skis have the advantage in softer conditions, but I'm not as clear on what I'd be giving up in using something like a 192 for hard conditions or how much narrower (if any) I should go to get something significantly better for the hard and icy stuff.

get the 192. then decide if you need a skinny ski to compliment it. just my .02

Makes sense, since it sounds like I'll want the 192s for soft and/or West regardless of whether I end up wanting something else for hard and/or East.

Thanks, Marshal.