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    That's because you are seeing it with resort...

    That's because you are seeing it with resort skiers eyes. If you put a golf course, dirt bike track, shooting range or something else in there I'm sure many user groups would consider that a huge...
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    Utah, as a state, does not allow uphill traffic...

    Utah, as a state, does not allow uphill traffic at ski areas.



    I agree - as is, Solitude doesn't get tracked out, so WTF do they need more terrain?! It is pure greed in an effort to keep up...
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    Yes, because they bought the land. Yes,...

    Yes, because they bought the land.


    Yes, because they bought the land.



    No, because they DON'T own the land - the public does. Solitude will be putting in lifts, cutting trails, installing...
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    I'd agree, which brings us back to square one - a...

    I'd agree, which brings us back to square one - a simple chairlift expansion is seldom if ever just that. It is also new lodges that serve pricey food, valet parking, condos, etc..

    It seems to...
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    I think it actually use to be much cheaper twenty...

    I think it actually use to be much cheaper twenty years ago before every resort felt they had to add snowmaking, endless highspeed quads, gondolas, a fleet of Piston Bully groomers and people to run...
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    This is exactly the point Yeti - it is public...

    This is exactly the point Yeti - it is public land and everyone is welcome here as long as you pay for a pa$$, obey the rules and increase your daily spend. It is about as public as Disneyland, yet...
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    Bump it to $1,000 and I'll take you up on it.

    Bump it to $1,000 and I'll take you up on it.
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    I think my comments on capitalism have been...

    I think my comments on capitalism have been distorted. By itself, it is fine, but when it crosses over into greed, it is a problem. Case in point, when there is so little traffic at Solitude that...
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    Tin - just for reference, what is your future...

    Tin - just for reference, what is your future vision for the Wasatch? My reference point comes from being born here and having skied here for the last twenty years (resort and backcountry) and seeing...
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    Yes, and of those 898,000 acres, how many are...

    Yes, and of those 898,000 acres, how many are prime skiing terrain? Not many, which is the issue. There would be much less opposition if Solitude wanted to put in a chairlift at the Storm Mountain...
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    I don't have a problem with heliskiing in...

    I don't have a problem with heliskiing in general, but do have a problem with the Wasatch Powderbirds and their butt-buddies in the Forest Service who issue them permits to bomb the living hell out...
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    Oh, right - that must be why the Forest Service...

    Oh, right - that must be why the Forest Service permits the Wasatch Powderbirds to fly helicopters in a designated non motorized area, which must benefit, what, 150 people per year at the expense of...
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    I worked for the Forest Service for a season as...

    I worked for the Forest Service for a season as well and have also dealt with them on permitting and land use issues, which is where my "cynical impression" comes from. I think the foot soliders of...
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    Capitalism goes wrong when it crosses over into...

    Capitalism goes wrong when it crosses over into excessive greed. In the case of ski area expansion, it is like someone complaining that their 20,000 square foot house isn't big enough and they need...
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    Nothing really says "Utah Tourist" like people...

    Nothing really says "Utah Tourist" like people who order cocktails here. The look on their face when the Martini arrives with a quarter inch of liquid at the bottom of a big glass is priceless. ?? ...
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    The underlying issue with ski area expansion in...

    The underlying issue with ski area expansion in the Wasatch is greed (aka "Capitalism" damn it, it's the 'Merican way).

    On the skiers part, you have seven ski area (eight if you count Sundance)...
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    You are right. Fuck it.

    You are right. Fuck it.
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    Having grown up skiing at small local feeder...

    Having grown up skiing at small local feeder hills that have now been bought up by large corperations or gone out of business, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Skiing is getting really...
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    That was ski area development circa 1960's. This...

    That was ski area development circa 1960's. This is what it looks like nowadays - a view of the brand new St. Regis Hotel at Dear Valet...

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    Or, the next time you are skiing the Meadow...

    Or, the next time you are skiing the Meadow Chutes and looking over at the squalor known as Solitude, think of how much it would suck to have a lift put in there.
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    Vail, like Rome, was not built in a day. Give it...

    Vail, like Rome, was not built in a day. Give it a few years.
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    No kidding. That's why areas like Vail and...

    No kidding. That's why areas like Vail and Killington rock.
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    In that case, I'd say my side of the debate is...

    In that case, I'd say my side of the debate is that there are enough golf courses and mega ski areas already, especially in the small and crowded Wasatch. How about yourself? More is better?
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    It seems like you are intentionally clouding the...

    It seems like you are intentionally clouding the issue by picking a BC skier vs. resort skier fight. Think of it this way - the same arguments could be made for putting a golf course in Silver Fork...
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    True enough, but my skinning doesn't interfere...

    True enough, but my skinning doesn't interfere with your bump skiing, whereas once you plug a lift in and bump it out, the ability to skin is lost. Not only that, but it becomes pay-to-play on...
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    Yeti - if you are so amp'd on lifts,...

    Yeti - if you are so amp'd on lifts, interconnects, parking, condos, grooming, McMansions, trams, escalating ticket prices and increasing exclusivity, why don't you move to Europe instead of...
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