f/u has a good assessment there. Runoff is that priceless resource that serves the greatest good for the most people. It's in short supply in Salt Lake.


And screw Dave/Gary for firing their best...

AM I WRONG! AM I WRONG!

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:fm: 19 pages. :p

yeah. that's what the 20 pages of writing was: my epic swan song to bumping up the backcountry.

Yeah, I'm not into XC. I was raised on nordic skiing. Nowadays if I want to go for a walk I just go for a walk instead of going to some place and putting on a bunch of gear to go for a walk on snow. ...

1) If I'm wearing a bunch of clunky safety-rescue equipment in order to go skiing, it's already not a good day.

2) I have skied powder, lots and lots of powder. I'll still take 10 runs on steep...

yeah, I guess any time you've got machinery in the mix it's a potential watershed issue.

:rolleyes: okdude... :rolleyes:

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I would say this, having really thought about this probably more than I should have and slept on it for a few days....If they do allow for development it should certainly be with some careful...

I think a lot of you guys have very convincing points and they take a lot of the meat out of my side of this....

Maybe the best thing for the most people is to leave it alone, wtf, I don't know. I...

You're having difficulty reading: "it seems like it goes that way sometimes but it shouldn't"
So apparently it goes that way in Alta at times, I think that's wrong and should be addressed by the...

I see your point completely, you think since it's simple to get into silver fork that anybody who skis solitude could go ski it now. I disagree, would you take a novice skier or a little kid up into...

Well I suppose I do too.

So let:
x=dedicated touring BC/OB skiers
y=dedicated inbounds solitude skiers
z=Solitude skiers who tour as well.

At this time the area sees x + z.

Post...

That was intended to be a ratio. Nobody in their right mind could look at silver fork and solitude from across the canyon and conclude that more people are using the BC area than the inbounds. That...

For the record I'm still only convinced of several things:

me personally:
-Not liking skinning.
-Not liking the inevitable backcountry emergencies that go with BC skiing.
-Liking to ski off...

fair enough....

and it's not me or my position, none of us here get to make the decision...I'm just arguing a point (or several points). Honestly I think there is something compelling about...

wow. that's completely bogus. It shouldn't be that way at all.

I'm surprised they would even go there. It's your land.

apples and oranges.

The action on the part of the beach "owner" reduces the amount of public enjoyment of a public recreation asset. The action on the part of solitude increases the amount of...

yeah re: RATS...
this is my big season to tour or not ski.

this is it. the only skiing I get here is fucking gay ass touring, I'm going to do it because it's skiing and I love to ski, but it's...

I like icy bumps better than skinning.

I like soft bumps better than icy bumps, and I like pow better than any bumps but not enough to get buried in a slide or spend hours XC skiing for one run...

I didn't say "everyone who tours does so because they suck at skiing"....

You are the real deal all the posers are posing as. They know all they have to do is XC ski on their dukes to some low angle hero snow and they get to claim to be what you really are.

I didn't...

One more point:
A/T is the new snowboarding.

Here's why: skiing steep, hardpacked, bumped out trees is very hard. If you don't want to put in the time and effort and injuries and all the bullshit...

Simple question time:

Would skiing be better with or without lifts in mineral basin?

Would skiing be better with or without the Alta supreme lift?

Just wondering where everybody stands.......

oT4U5_2xDRs

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BLOCK THE CANYONS, SHUT DOWN THE LIFTS. ONLY THE MOST BURLY BROBRAHS WILL TREK INTO THE SACRED WILDERNESS FOR THEY ALONE DESERVE TO SKI POW!

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE.

what is your problem with the heli skiing? Just that they access places you morally feel should be more difficult to access? They don't deserve to be where you are?

Or is it that the aircraft...

that's the only naked ex-GF pic I'm posting, enjoy.

semantics :rolleyes:

The forest service is not a business, it's not trying to make the most money it can. Revenue is a factor, it is not the only factor.

Maybe I'll move back someday :eek: :fight: :eek: Maybe I'll come from out of town to ski Solitude when I'm living somewhere else...

You're going to have a really fucking hard time convincing me...

Not necessarily for profit, for the most public benefit. The agency doesn't "profit", it's a public entity so it's not as if there is some forest supervisor raking in bonuses here...If 100000 skiers...

fat skis and AT bindings.

strange but true.

For the record I am not as much a fan of the high speed quad as I am the centerpost fixed grip double. I am however more of a fan of the high speed...

you know...just from a pure and strictly skiing standpoint, I've had some good comped days skiing Deer Valley. I wanted to shart diarrhea at their attitudes and the base area and the overall...

It's true, yet another good point. Skiing inbounds at solitude sucks balls.

You are on fire tonight.

Exactly! I want Silver Fork to be just like Killington! I'll tell you the truth broseph, I'd probably have a better time lapping Outer Limits for 2 hours than skinning for 2 hours.

But another...

block the canyon with his prius?

more good lift served skiing is better for me.

and I'm sorry I made Alto's indian companion cry. Again. :redface:

Strangely, there was a golf course, Valle Escondido, in a valley on the carson NF. I imagine their reasoning was something like this: more people will enjoy this than not. Greatest good/most people....

Fair enough. You and I are on the same page re: shoddy develpment.

If this means more condos count me on the nay side.

this is where I step back and think:

hmmm....

If SFB, Trackhead, Alto, Sftx all disagree with me, maybe I've just gone badly askew somewhere along the way.

Shit I don't know. Maybe I'm...

I like skiing in ski areas. I always have. I guess I'm kind of surprised how many skiers have this big problem with ski areas. Lifts are nice.

This isn't a personal jab at anyone but if I'm a...

I am not sure sure.

There may be some private involved. When we had a fire on solitude it was a WCF fire, USFS land.

I really, really, really doubt there are Interior holdings in the area of...

1) We're talking about the Dept. of Agriculture here. As it is in UT-WCF or UWF as they say these days...

2) USDA/USFS loosely follows, or has followed this idea of "The greatest good, for the...

this post is to state that Alto is not a dick, never has been, and probably never will be.

We all know you're a stoke factory.

It's just teh internets.
I know where you're coming from and...

not so much throw it away as...

ski it without having to gear up and turn it into some kind of expedition every time.

Also, it is true that everyone who doesn't like skinning is a dumbass....

thanks. I'm straight killing it tonight.

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I can't believe how gay this place has become.

I'm actually starting to argue with skiers about whether or not lifts are good.

Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap Crap

Honestly bro, it's a big...

nice. the Michael Jackson position.

well played sir.

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