jondrums plates are pimp. have dynadukes on rubys and bros and sollyfits on sanouks.
my 196 wootest will get the other sollyfit pair i have...:biggrin:
easy to install and are very well thought out and made. the inserts are fairly easy to install as well but why put almost 20 holes in a pair of skis? i use inserts for the pairs that i only use one pair of bindings. the stack height of the plates is not that huge a deal for 916's or dynafits (the duke height sucks anyway)
is it jan 31 yet?
T-Nuts - of course! I was imagining a really hard plastic like acrylic, but a poly cutting board is cheap and flexible, makes perfect sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
The real turntable bindings have three toe variants: the original Geze toe with three mounting screws, the FKS (sometimes named other things, but same hardware), and the current toe which is based on the Geze mechanics, but shares the four hole mounting pattern of the old FKS. All original turntable heels are the same, and interchangeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
EDIT: there is another toe that has 3 holes but unlike the geze toe, the single hole is at the back.
There are transition era bindings that have the turntable style release heel, but on a sliding plate. I believe (this is the only version I haven't owned) they have the same hole pattern as the non-turntable bindings (Axial2).
EDIT: they don't.
I edited my post after you quoted it, but I think there are three heel patterns nowadays:Quote:
Originally Posted by pisteoff
1. FKS
2. Axial/Pivot
3. Axial 2/ PX
You're right. I did a little digging and there are more variants that realized, which surprises me because I've been using these things on and off for years. It doesn't help that the naming is all over the map. I'll edit...
We're way off topic now, and its my fault. There is also a look racing binding, which has a different heel pattern, AFAIKQuote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Man I remember the good old days when this thread was about a ski :D
woo- I'm pretty close to nabbing a pair of these- great concept, thinking this is the ultimate BC ski.
Do you have any idea about Keith's flexibility with topsheet? I'm thinking something reallllly simple, like a monocolor that I could throw some stickers on.
Even if the answer is no, I'm still probably gonna order a pair :D
just ordered mine.... Agh after some expensive losses skiing ze very deep powder it was hard to justify but a commitment is a commitment!!
With ze Euro base set up its on like donkey kong!!!
The best thing about all of this is the total win / win.
If this ski turns out great, then we're all stoked. And if it turns out less than great, I get to write a 10,000 word review / character assassination piece about what an idiot Kidwoo is.
(We'll also delete this thread, destroying all evidence that any of us ever thought the idea was a good one.)
Quintessential Win / Win.
i want to laugh but I am one of the beta Idiots that ordered a pair!!! ;)Quote:
The best thing about all of this is the total win / win.
If this ski turns out great, then we're all stoked. And if it turns out less than great, I get to write a 10,000 word review / character assassination piece about what an idiot Kidwoo is.
(We'll also delete this thread, destroying all evidence that any of us ever thought the idea was a good one.)
Quintessential Win / Win.
But if it turns out great we can say we saw his genius and got in on the ground floor while the rest of you idiots were schlepping your 145mm tips uphill...
Lurking Kauris just placed an order for this bad ass BC touring powder shredding ski.
Thanks to kidwood and everybody else on this!
I personally think just a few mm more width and a bit more taper would have been the sweet spot for me, but hey, I guess we’ll see some debate about that in end Jan / early Feb when these things hit the power bowls.
With all the snow on the Alps, seriously stoked now!
Beta testers... pffttt! Ye of little faith.
The emperor HAS clothes! It will work.
Now that I've said that, I'll probably make one turn and slo-mo tomahawk to the bottom on my first run
Shoot him an email and ask him. A flat color might not be a big deal but I really can't speak for what he has laying around or how much trouble it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Southeast Maggot
Who's "We" white man?Quote:
Originally Posted by JFE24
They'll work. At most, guys using them for resort pow days before things have settled might want something a little wider but that's about the only realistic gripe I see happening. They'll rule so hard in everything else it'll be worth a little loss in float. Besides, it's not like they're going to NOT float. They've got the same or more surface area than thousands of skis that people commonly use on pow days.......plus a way better shape.
I have been out of the loop and just discovered this thread now, of course on the shit or get off the pot ordering day. A few thoughts for woo and those that have been collaborating on this ski. I have the original Protest in a 188, and generally love the ski. I live on the EC but travel out west 2-3 full weeks every winter, mostly LCC/BCC. I try to use the Protest inbounds whenever there is any new or soft snow, but like some of the other posters earlier I do find that the size becomes tiring in really cut up and bumpy snow and on the long traverses and sidesteps. I have always been intrigued by the idea of a narrower protest, not primarily for BC use but for inbounds with some sidecountry. I guess the question is how much deep snow accumen do you all think I would be giving up with this ski in exchange for a bit more versatility? Like I said I love the Protests but at the end of a long pow day or on a leftover day they beat me up pretty good, especially in scoured sections or bumps. Also, since I am travelling to get the snow, Its not as if I am always getting the big days that these skis shine on.
I am 6'1, 205# and do love the float of the Protest mounted at 101 back, but I have noticed tip drag with this ski in heavier powder on not terribly steep pitches (Sunspot at alta below High-T and similar). Not true tip dive, its impossible to sink those things, but rather a feeling of the breaks dragging with my weight being pitched forward. Given my mount and the size of these, I kind of attributed that feeling to being drag from such a big ski base/tip. If so would this be reduced with the smaller ski, or would the loss of float more than counter that feeling.
^ I got them mostly to use EC inbounds and out West when things get soft. I was a little worried about how the float would be so I ordered the 196. I haven't skied the Protest but I think the Wootest shape should kill it in the trees so we'll wait and see. As long as they float better than the 187 XXLs I got rid of I'd be perfectly happy. Order up Duffman!!!
At your size, I'd go with the 196 in the medium or stiff flex. Seems like you're just too big for the 188 Protest, which is why you're getting the illusion of brakes catching/tip dive.
Has anyone gotten their skis yet? Keith hasn't returned any of my two dozen emails yet and snow is in the forecast for next week!
:wink::biggrin:
stoked for these!!
^^ You joking or did you miss the fine print where it said the skis are available Jan 31?
winky and big grin leave doubt? you would have to know the history on these kinds of things, JONG:wink::wink: -two winkys so you know I'm joking with ya.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
That's what I get for posting at work. I'll go back to my little jong cave. :)
Probably obvious, but I wasn't really describing the feeling of the ski breaks catching, but rather the "slam on the breaks" analogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Ok, pointless clarification complete, back to ski discussion
If you're a beta idiot, then I suppose I'm sort of an alpha beta idiot (cf. editor's note of Woo's first piece on this for blister....)Quote:
Originally Posted by sqikunst
If the ski is great, I may just write the positive review, then, in a wholly unrelated piece, write a 10,000 word piece about what an idiot Woo is, anyway. Just as a kind of a therapeutic exercise. More Win / Win!
I know what you're talking about though. There's even a thread here from years ago where I was griping about this on the praxis pows.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffman
You could fix it by moving your bindings back. But realistically, you should just be on the bigger size. So definitely get the big ones if you get the wootests.
My problem was just a mount point. Keith used to put out mounting recs that in most peoples' opinion were too far forward.
Makes sense. I was leery of the 196 size for EC trees, but on the other hand, the longer contact surface will probably make it a better variable/not as soft condition ski anyway. I am very tempted now, but another pair of skis in the basement and I'm a dead man, so I'd have to unload the OG Protests, leaving me with a 113 underfoot Wootest as my widest plank. Tough decisions hereQuote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Also for you Praxis experts here, how do you think (obviously this is pure speculation) the wootest would ride compared to the Pow RX
i will add another 7,000 words to that articleQuote:
Originally Posted by JFE24