Woo - he lives in Truckee, not to worry. It was Mike V. He needed a ride to Davis to pick up a car there.
Woo - he lives in Truckee, not to worry. It was Mike V. He needed a ride to Davis to pick up a car there.
This should have more rocker, more taper and less sidecut than the Hoji...I'm at least 99% sure of the first two points (unsure on sidecut call)Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDon
Oh yeah he's davis scum, not nearly as bad :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sinecure
If the hoji is really something between the two existing eric skis, you're absolutely right.Quote:
This should have more rocker, more taper and less sidecut than the Hoji...I'm at least 99% sure of the first two points (unsure on sidecut call)
I'm coming to the conclusions that
1) No matter what hjorleifson comes up with, people will think that's what I'm talking about
2) I'm going to have to hold ski ski 2 inches from some people's faces before they understand what it is and how it differs from existing skis.
;)
I do think the hoji line seems to be after some similar things but going about it a little differently. I've come so close to buying a pair of EHPs so many times.
Soo ready for this ski!!! Beat the crap out of the OG Protests today and they punch rocks and tree stumps in the FACE. Was on the Rocker2 in themorning and then on the OG Protest in the Afternoon. Totally different skis both fun in their own right. The low more elliptical rocker makes the ski soo aggressive. I mounted it -1cm from dead center.
While getting back on the OG protests its sweet spot was way more neutral and way bigger/longer than on the Rocker2. Want to see the new rocker profile because it would be cool to know that stays the same on the "WooTest".
For the Dyna crowd (well me) like skis with a forgiving sweet spot.
Edit: not the PDF but a real life photo. Come on TGR quiver pic return you know you want to!!!
There's a slight difference in rocker profile on the new protest. We're leaning towards the older one.
^^ For those of us who haven't been in the loop on the OG Protest, can you explain? Does it start earlier or farther back? More or less splay?
Longer splay on the original. Not much but some.
me likely longer splay. these might end up in my quiver after all, later on after some c+d's are mine.
sounds like a perfect bc ski for sure.
kidwoo- do you know if keith is planning on putting these in the lineup permanently? chances are i won't be purchasing two pairs of skis, a wheel set, a new helmet and two pairs of bindings in the next couple months. i'm poor.
No idea yet. Probably just depends a lot on who steps up in a few weeks and commits to the first run.
I really think it's going to be a valid ski, so I hope so.
one more buddy. if they were fatter, made for rockies blower, and no camber, theyd be #1 on my list. after food though, kinda need some of that stuff.
^^^ Did you not read the rest of this thread? If fatter is what you're looking for Praxis and DPS already make that ski....
oh. thanks. bro.
:rolleyes2 No prob brah.
Dammit... there are too many skis I want!
Ski them ten times and there will be no camber. That's kind of the idea behind a massive 1mm or so of 'construction camber'. But you have say camber because when people first get them they're going to hold them together and that's the way they'll be made to become a flat but still lively ski. Know what I mean? It's not going to be like your foot is ever hovering above anything until you load the ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by newe english
What's 'fatter?' Is a current protest 'too fat?' What exactly did you have in mind?
Woo, what do you mean by longer splay? is the splay taller off the ground or just start father from the tip and end at roughly the same height.
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Starts farther in. Being narrower I wanted the more extended rocker profile to make it more likely to surface in light deep stuff. It's literally just the old protest profile, nothing more.
Here are a few quick iPhone pics to compare splay. I'm being lazy, so this is neither scientific nor artistic... Just some quick card slides until they hit & stopped. I'm guessing the countertop ones are a bit more accurate due to it being more even than the concrete floor. Tip splay looks pretty close to identical. Tail splay is not wildly different, but the new ones clearly have a shorter splay. Worth noting that he old ones have been skied a moderate amount while the new have never been skied. So I'd imagine that the "real" difference is even less than the pics show. Hopefully of some use.
Tips
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0316.jpg
Tails
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0319.jpg
& more tails
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0322.jpg
& more tails (on concrete floor)
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0323.jpg
Tips (on concrete floor)
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0324.jpg
The whole shebang
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0325.jpg
Tail splay of old & new base to base - with new on the left.
https://idisk.mac.com/zonkos//Public...s/IMG_0326.jpg
I'm usually a fan of longer more gradual splay - but I'd trust wherever Keith goes with this. My intuition is that this will be a killer ski for its mission. I'm in...
Sweet dude, thanks! Is there a difference in tip height? Hard to tell from the pics.
But, this is all just academic - I think at this point, I'm in regardless.
That is way less rocker in the tail. But I think that for the skinner model less rocker might be a blessing in disguise. Waa this thing is gonna murder. Graphics look pretty opaque on the new Protest. Might be a good snow shedding option for touring and they look pretty sweet too. The BPS has a pretty cool graphic as well though. OOh decisions, decisions, decisions!!
^^I 2nd the BPS graphic, that's gonna be my pick.
Yeah, it's best of the current crop, and I'm guessing they have it sitting on the shelf, i.e. no waiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by ARpowhound
I'm thinking jondrums dynaduke plates.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDon
Same here. (Unless there's a significant weight savings in the bc topsheet and that one's available at the same time.)Quote:
Originally Posted by ARpowhound
Kidwoo - I'm buying these skis.
Very cool concept. I emailed Keith and it seems like 187 and 196 will be available. I currently own a pair of 190 Bibby's, love them, don't need another ski, but you can never have too many skis. At 6'1" 185, I'm leaning toward the 187 so that the ski will be a bit more versatile as a backcountry ski. Is that logic on base, or should I just get the 196 and shut the fuck up?
Thanks for the pics spindrift. Definitely helps illustrate what Keith and I were going over.
bobsdesk: You know these will ski short so even a 196 doesn't seem like too big of a deal for hiking (to me at least). You've got 25lbs on me and I've got zero reservations about the 187. If you genuinely have no plans to do anything but hiking on it, it would probably be fine. If you have any thoughts of resort skiing on it, I personally would think the longer one would be better suited.
Got an email from Keith yesterday and he said he's got or is getting soon some of the lighter weight topsheets. Everyone wins :D