The 06-07 CO TGR Summit Poll

[Yossarian]

Please only vote once, and let me know if something about the poll or the Considerations needs to be changed.
If you do not like the itinerary for your preferred week, please vote for your preferred week, comment on your issues with the proposed itinerary, and propose your alternative.

EDIT: CRAP, the sixth option should read Mar 31st to Apr 08th. Sorry for the screw up.

Original threads here (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56353) and here (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56465).

Voting Considerations:

Location
Front Range-Summit County = Loveland, A-Basin, Keystone, Breck, Copper
Vail Valley = Vail, Beaver Creek, Arrowhead
Aspen = Snowmass, Buttermilk, Highlands, Ajax
SW CO = Silverton, Telluride, Durango, Crested Butte

Financial
Peak season usually ends around the end of March. Peak prices are around $50-$70/day.
Small discounts are almost always available. Moderate discounts can be found occasionally.
Prices and crowds drop significantly after the end of the peak season.
Spring breaks usually run through March.
Vail Resorts' CO Pass holders have unlimited days in Vail in April
Loveland and Copper sell pre-season 4-packs for around $30/day
Aspen sells a pre-season Classic pass in person for around $40/day
Silverton goes to unguided skiing in April for around $50/day
Silverton is only open Thur-Sunday
The backcountry is always free.
The organizing committee will work hard to find discounts on lodging and tickets.

Weather/Snowpack
Late Feb will have the most wintery conditions in the poll
March will have the maximum coverage, and actually has the most precipitation.
April will be warmer, and days will be longer.
CO has an extremely dangerous snowpack. April is slightly less deadly than March or February.

Travel:
Denver International Airport is the largest area airport. It is the hub for United and Frontier, and is served by Southwest and Jet Blue, among others.
DIA to the FR-Summit areas is 1.25-1.75 hours assuming lighter traffic and good weather.
DIA to the Vail area is 2.00-2.50 hours.
DIA to the Aspen area is 4.00-4.50 hours.
DIA to the SW CO area is 6.00-8.00 hours.
The Eagle-Vail airport serves the Vail Valley from just west of Vail, about 15-30 minutes away.
The Aspen airport serves Aspen from just west of Buttermilk, about 10-15 minutes away.
The Montrose airport is about 1.5 hours north of Telluride OR Silverton, 1.5-2.0 hours to Crested Butte, and 2.5-3.0 hours to Aspen.
The Durango airport is about .5 hours south of Durango Mt., and about 1.5 hours south of Telluride OR Silverton.
The Grand Junction airport is about 2.5-3.0 hours to each of Telluride, Silverton, Crested Butte, and Aspen.
The Albuquerque airport is about 4.25 hours from Crested Butte OR Durango Mt, and 5.5 hours from Silverton.
Salt Lake to Aspen is roughly 5.0 hours. Salt Lake to Silverton OR Telluride is about 5.0 hours as well.
Four wheel drive is rarely needed in the FR-Summit-CO-Aspen area, but occasionally helpful in parts of SW CO.
Snow tires are pretty much a must for all but the Front Range, but chain use is very rare.

Events:
TBD, but generally speaking: hang out together after the day, but ski where you want during the day.
Resorts do put together shows and competitions during Spring Break and at the end of the season.

[mitch buchannon]

I voted for that first week in March, but I can't say I really have a huge opinion other than I'd probably like to booze with most of you. And ski, I guess.

[Ripzalot]

cool! i'm actually looking for a excuse for a stateside trip next season.

does the --> mean "and" or "or"? if "and", it seems like a lot of ground to cover in a week. my preference would be a week split between crested butte and silverton. i don't really care when - whenever the best best for pow is. i suppose the safety factor should be considered as well. i'll let the local knowledge decide these points.

[Squatch]

Just for reference, CU's spring break is the March 27-31, CSU's and Mines' is the 12-16, and CC's the 14th-25th.

[Yossarian]

well, I intended the --> as ANDs, meaning, first half of week (4 days) in the first area, then second half of week (4 days) in the second area.

But remember:
a) the exact locations are still up in the air, this poll is mostly about the dates. The local/organizing bunch will have to figure out the specific daily itinerary
b) you can always do what you want to do, irrespective of everyone else!

[Rontele]

I am in Colorado on a ridiculous spring break March 6th-27th. So I am open for any of those dates in between (though I voted, only once, for the 10-18th).

[Squatch]

this really should have been a multi-option poll

[Yossarian]

this really should have been a multi-option poll

please expain? I will improve it if needed and possible.

There are 8 options here, and we're mostly voting on date. If someone likes the dates, but don't like the itinerary, I asked that they specify their issues with the itinerary proposed, and offer a general alternative.

[Squatch]

please expain? I will improve it if needed and possible.

There are 8 options here, and we're mostly voting on date. If someone likes the dates, but don't like the itinerary, I asked that they specify their issues with the itinerary proposed, and offer a general alternative.

Sorry, I meant that you could select multiple weeks. Like for Rontele's case, they're available for 3 weeks or so. People select every week they are available, then someone picks the week with the highest occurance, thereby accommodating the most people.

Although to a certain extent, if it's important enough (and a lot of people think it is) people will just change their schedules around whatever someone picks as the official Summit date.

Location matters little, to me. It would be nice to know by october, though, so I could pick up a 4-pack or a 6-pack or something (CB, steamboat, and Aspen/Snowmass all do cheap college packs. As long as I can make the actual date, I could probably get to anywhere in CO.

[Buster Highmen]

When I drive, the Durango, CO airport is a little over an hour from Silverton and Durango itself is about 15 minutes.

Time may vary.

Also, note that Taos is about 3.5 hours from Durango and is a kickass ski hill when they have snow.

[Yossarian]

Thanks Busta! Edited. How do the rest of my drive times look? I haven't done some of those in a long, long time, and I didn't bother to open a map and look, I just tried to pull some relative distances out of my memory banks.

Squatch, I got ya, and agree. Was that an option to allow multiple selections? I think it was. Oh well. Is it worth doing the poll over? I assume no, but it's a show stopper, I'll try again. Too bad these polls don't allow you to edit the options.

[Buster Highmen]

My drive times are:
Durango Airport<->Durango: 15 minutes
Durango Airport<->Durango Mountain Resort (Purgatory) : 45 minutes.
Durango Airport<->Silverton: 75 minutes.
Silverton<->Telluride: 100 minutes up to days, depending on Red Mountain Pass.
Albuquerque<->Durango: 5 hours, also very weather dependent.
Durango<->Taos: 4 hours, weather dependent.
Telluride<->Crested Butte: 3 hours.

[Staircase]

Gunnison also has an airport, which would really only serve CB. I do not know the drive times to Telluride or Silverton.

[MOHSHSIHd]

Keep voting march 24th - Apr 1st!


the CU kids need to be on the train!.....we cant just use vacation days like most of the working stiffs....

[Crinkle]

I'm in for any weeks in Aspen.

yos, didn't you want one of those options to be
"I will attend any of those weeks"?

the last two options say basically the same thing, eh?

[Platinum Pete]

As of right now I do not have a job nor other nags dragging me down (my gf will complain in due time) but I am so down with a Colorado trip around the front range's best inbounds and out of bounds lines - culminating in a maggot slay-fest at Silverton. Call Platinum Pete on his bullshit if he does not attend during his voted for time frame.





I have flopped before, so please abuse me if I do not step up and give my all.

[Buster Highmen]

the last two options say basically the same thing, eh?
No.

Silverton changes over to unguided at less than half the guided fee.

[FrankZappa]

OK, since nobody's reading this (or the other stuff either apparently):

Silverton goes to unguided skiing in April for around $50/day
I want to change my vote to the last week in Feb.:p

[yogachik]

FYI - Easter is on April 8, so the week before that will be a nightmare (March 31 - April 8, option 6).

[Viva]

...please abuse me...

It's what I live for.



Pete, fly to San Diego and we can road trip Colorado. It's one day to Silverton.

[FrankZappa]

FYI - Easter is on April 8, so the week before that will be a nightmare (March 31 - April 8, option 6).
Hmmm... Church (on one hand)... Skiing in the San Juans (other hand)
church... Skiing
church... Skiing
church... Skiing


That's a tough call.;)


I'll worship in Silverton's BC.

[Eldo]

Keep voting march 24th - Apr 1st!


the CU kids need to be on the train!.....we cant just use vacation days like most of the working stiffs....

Thanks for the warning.

Vote tallied for a different date. ;)

[mr_gyptian]

I am in Colorado on a ridiculous spring break March 6th-27th. So I am open for any of those dates in between (though I voted, only once, for the 10-18th).

that's a sabbatical, not a spring break. :)

Yoss, I'm around the whole time. the rental stuff in Crested Butte will be cheap as hell if we get on it now. we did a bachelor party and rented the License plate house and another. 25 guys and two strippers (don't ask) and the places are still standing. CB snow could be spotty as hell by the late spring.

lemme know what kind of help you'll need. I get some pretty nasty rental vehicle deals and could line up some 15 passenger vans if people can coordinate. In my experience this is the the cheapest way to get stuff done. we'll buy chains in advance, especially if Southern Co. is where we're going to be.

[Below Zero]

I can make it whenever. Just need ample time to scheduel vacation, which shouldn't be a problem.

My buddy lives in Aspen, so I'm partial to the Aspen area. He is a ski bum at heart, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind if a few more mags crashed at his pad.

This summit is going to rock!

[skiHOG]

maybe we should make it where you can vote for two choices. like below zero said, i can probably make it whenever, wherever. just need time to plan for it.

[Max Gosey]

Keep voting march 24th - Apr 1st!


the CU kids need to be on the train!.....we cant just use vacation days like most of the working stiffs....
Seconded. And SW CO would be SICK. I have a feeling there would be a fair amount of hard charging occurring at the Butte/Silverton and/or Highlands (not SW CO, but included in that itinerary).

[Yossarian]

Keep the votes coming! I know it's not a perfect poll, but I think it'll get the job done. We may need a runoff after this though.

Right now, we've got three weeks with strong showings.

March 03 - March 11
March 24 - April 01
April 01 - April 08

Also, just to be clear, I'm not in any way assuming that I'll be organizing this - I was just trying to get this thing moving forward in a tangible way. I might consider it later, but let's start by settling on some dates!

Let's let thing run for the next business week, then we'll see where we are!

[skiHOG]

Keep the votes coming! I know it's not a perfect poll, but I think it'll get the job done. We may need a runoff after this though.

Right now, we've got three weeks with strong showings.

March 03 - March 11
March 24 - April 01
April 01 - April 08

Also, just to be clear, I'm not in any way assuming that I'll be organizing this - I was just trying to get this thing moving forward in a tangible way. I might consider it later, but let's start by settling on some dates!

Let's let thing run for the next business week, then we'll see where we are!


only 77 votes so far. i know that there are more people on the boards that are interested in this and haven't voted yet. i say give it some time, but I would support your nomination as a Summit Organzier.

[altachic]

DTM and I can make it March 24-April 1...Please let that be the dates!

[snowfire]

I only get two days off for spring break this year, March 29th and 30th. That would mean I could make it for 4 days...unless I go on an out of state rotation which starts on April 2nd, in which case I could make it for 0 days.

Damn school. :fuckyou:

[Yossarian]

More VOTES!

[Crinkle]

No.

Silverton changes over to unguided at less than half the guided fee.
I was refering to these two statements:

I can not attend during any of these weeks
OR
I will not attend during any of these weeks

[Yossarian]

Intended as:

I CAN NOT - those dates don't work for me, or I can't make it to CO, or I can't afford it, etc, etc, but I really wish I could.

I WILL NOT - I hate you CO posers, and/or I am too narrowminded and provincial to believe that there's anything that could be redeeming about attending this summit, and refuse to make it a priority over my other interests, because I eat bowls of dick for breakfast, order grilled dick sandwiches for lunch, and dine on dickloaf for dinner.

[FrankZappa]

I WILL NOT - I hate you CO posers, and/or I am too narrowminded and provincial to believe that there's anything that could be redeeming about attending this summit, and refuse to make it a priority over my other interests, because I eat bowls of dick for breakfast, order grilled dick sandwiches for lunch, and dine on dickloaf for dinner.
New signiture anyone?

[Yossarian]

March 03 - March 11 and March 24 - April 01 emerging as the strong crowd favorites.

[Buster Highmen]

You forgot the "I might despite..." options.

[TWINS]

March 03 - March 11 and March 24 - April 01 emerging as the strong crowd favorites.Good dates.Just happens to fall in between the GapicSki Summit at Lake Tahoe.:eek:

[kidwoo]

mmmmmm dickloaf

will this be served?

[divegirl]

You know what, I voted 10 mar to 18 mar but frankly my calendar is wiiiiiiiide open.

[MOHSHSIHd]

ok....all you folks with wide open calenders please vote March 24th - Apr 1st :)

[davep]

Any other nerdo-maggots gonna be in denver for APS march meeting, march 5-9?
==>Any time early march has my vote.

[Max Gosey]

ok....all you folks with wide open calenders please vote March 24th - Apr 1st :)
Hollllaaaa. I mean... seconded.

[Yossarian]

So, as of right now, we have two weeks that have far outpaced the rest.

March 03 to March 11 has captured 23% of the vote, and
March 24 to April 01 has captured 27% of the vote, with
just over 100 votes tallied.

So, how do we best go forward? Should we do a runoff, to try to get a more accurate count of interest based on just the top two options? With the two leaders seperated by only 4 votes, this doesn't seem like a bad idea. On the other hand, we can keep voting on things until the cows come home, and eventually we just need to pick something solid and start going forward, so we have a chance to plan good stuff and get good deals.

So perhaps we should just let the current winning week be THE week, and start working on other issues, like organizers, locations, etc..., I dunno.

What do y'all think?

[FrankZappa]

When does the poll close? Seems like votes are still comin' in. - but I think the outcome will still be the same.
I first thought go with the winner, (cause I like that week better for the possibility of at least 1 un-guided day at S-ton).
Maybe the runoff with the "can't" & "won't" in there too wouldn't hurt.

[Buster Highmen]

What do y'all think?
I try not to think. It's bad for my mental health.

In any case, I'd:
0) Let this run through the weekend. Harass the sedentary indigent on the Ski page.
1) Do the runoff between the two leaders with a deadline on the poll. Give it 2 weeks.

[Yossarian]

Okay, and maybe make the runoff poll a multiple selection poll, so as to also use it to begin to get a better count of actual attendees? (The current poll does not allow for those who can come to any/either date range).

[Big E]

Agree w/ Busta on all points, particularly the not thinking one.

If its possible, I would definitely recommend providing an "either week works" option, assuming you end up w/ 2 competing weeks for the runoff.

[Eldo]

A second poll with the top two vote getters (and multiple choice options) is a good idea.

Right now all we know is that 28 people say they can attend Mar 24-April 1 and 24 say Mar 3-11. We need to find out how many of the 50+ people who picked another week could attend during either one (or both) of those weeks - so as to find a time frame that works for the largest number of people.

[Danno]

No.

Silverton changes over to unguided at less than half the guided fee.
Which was the huge reason I voted for the last option.

[Danno]

A second poll with the top two vote getters (and multiple choice options) is a good idea..
I agree.

[Max Gosey]

I agree.
Me, too.

Perhaps re-run this poll as a multi-selection and then do a final runoff (singular selection) with the top 3 from that?

If you don't want to do it, Yoss, I'd be happy to. Just trying to make this work for as many as possible. And that's assuming we can make everyone vote again...

[Ethan Cool]

Max, Can I wear your halo at the mini? I'm so looking forward to Aspen.:)

[Danno]

Vail Resorts' CO Pass holders have unlimited days in Vail in April
Loveland and Copper sell pre-season 4-packs for around $30/day

This may have been said, and so many have voted that it probably doesn't matter now, but there's no guarantee than the unlimited Vail days in April option will be there for people who buy in the Fall.

Also, Copper 4 packs could be purcahsed last year for $59, so $15/day.

[adam]

Go front range.

[Yossarian]

Me, too.

Perhaps re-run this poll as a multi-selection and then do a final runoff (singular selection) with the top 3 from that?

If you don't want to do it, Yoss, I'd be happy to. Just trying to make this work for as many as possible. And that's assuming we can make everyone vote again...

Sure Maximus, you're all over it!

We could let this run for a while first or re-do it, but do we really need more votes to know which the top three seem to be? I dunno.

So, sometime soon, how about throw up a three-option poll with the top three date ranges, and make sure to allow multiple selections per person so we can start to get a sense of how many people think they might actually be able to show at some point in each date range.

Give it a known closing date a few weeks out (end of August?), and let that sucker run!

Let's deal with the location specifics later.

[skiHOG]

Sure Maximus, you're all over it!

We could let this run for a while first or re-do it, but do we really need more votes to know which the top three seem to be? I dunno.

So, sometime soon, how about throw up a three-option poll with the top three date ranges, and make sure to allow multiple selections per person so we can start to get a sense of how many people think they might actually be able to show at some point in each date range.

Give it a known closing date a few weeks out (end of August?), and let that sucker run!

Let's deal with the location specifics later.

yea, definately let this poll hang around for a while. it's only august guys, and we're talking about march/april for the Summit. that's a ways away. we have time to get some more input before making a decision. we can even start compiling a list of people who will and/or plan to attend the Summit, and from that we can take those people's choices since those will be the ones actually going.

[Buster Highmen]

Here's an idea:
0) Put up 3 different weeks. Ask which 1 or 2 you wouldn't attend.

1) Make it weight. Put up 3. Ask participants to order them by priority. Use some snazzmaster monster 5th degree polynomial through some dark, deep precision wavelet approximation of the most common choice.

[Max Gosey]

It's up, Yoss. Now away with you, heathens, go VOTE!!!

And the deadline is Aug 31, not Sept. 1.

jtq: Good idea, but it's a chicken-and-the-egg: how are we gonna know who's gonna go if we don't know when it is? Solidify the dates, and then get an attendees' list. From what I saw last year, most who said they would show, showed. So that system worked.

[Karl Stall]

I want to vote again for the Mar 24 - Aspen option as I had voted for the week earlier but either way A-town is the choice. I will have the sleds gassed up for some backcountry luvin'...