nordica supercharger boot (vs hot rod?)

[ulty_guy]

the current hot rod fits me great (dobermann, but in softer plastic making it a 115 flex), but i kinda wish it was a touch softer. i've heard rumors of a yellow supercharger boot out for next year w/ the same last, but softer flex. any truth to these rumors? also, anyone know where to score a hot rod cheap? i've found $400 on ebay.

[real9999]

If the Dobie works than why not the Dobermann Pro 110 or 100? Those are soft and super-soft.

[BigLineSeeker]

The 100s have a lower cuff (women/junior) than the rest of the line. Nordica is releasing a softer version of the hot rod boot next year. I believe it will still be called hot rod but will be ~95 flex. I have not seen any in shops yet just saw some at the reps house.

The difference between the hot rods and dobermanns is the shock absorbing boot board.

[SponsoredByDuctTape]

The difference between the hot rods and dobermanns is the shock absorbing boot board.
And the booster strap.

[skimasterflex]

The 100s have a lower cuff (women/junior) than the rest of the line. Nordica is releasing a softer version of the hot rod boot next year. I believe it will still be called hot rod but will be ~95 flex. I have not seen any in shops yet just saw some at the reps house.

The difference between the hot rods and dobermanns is the shock absorbing boot board.

The Hot Rod isn't actually the real World Cup Doberman actually its a wider last. They only marketed it as a Doberman but the real Doby is a 95mm last. Put your feet in the shells and this becomes obvious. And it's around a 130 Flex not 115 as earlier mentioned. And the other main difference is it doesn't have the gel pack leather laceup race liner that make the doberman so pimpy. Have you taken the bolts out of the back of a pair of Hot Rods? If you like the fit of the 98mm "doberman" last hot rod but want it softer just pull out the bolts in the back that lock the inner/outer shell together and it gets soft. You can then cut more out of the rear inner shell if you want it softer than that.

I can get you a pair of real Doberman 150s on the cheap cheap by the way people, like $300 with the legit race liner. You can't get the boot on in your measured size without putting the liner on seperately and sliding your foot/liner into the shell together it's rediculous but so money once you're in.

[BigLineSeeker]

Right, forgot the booster strap.

The Dobermann Pro (98mm last) has been around for years and is what most people know. The early release on the hot rods last year was 130 flex, but the ones in shops this year are a 115 and have different buckles. As far as removing the bolts, this is not recomended. Nordica considers these rivets that are meant to keep the boot together. This is defferent from the 'plug' race boots like lange and rossi. If you want the dobermann/hot rods softer you should cut the back. Most shops should have a tech manual explaining this.

skimasterflex is right though, the Dobermann WC Soft (150 flex) is a kick ass boot. Mine have been planed and stretched in so many places they hardly look like ski boots anymore. I ski in my 130 Hot Rods all the time, the WCs only come out in the odd race or skiercross course. Save the pain, save the cold and get the hot rods or dobermanns.

[ulty_guy]

ok, a bit more info outta me....

been having problems with my flexons (including broken buckles) and somehow have gotten a nice case of shin bang (i know, strange with flexons, but whatever). i go in a very reputable boot shop in cham and they steer me towards the hot rod and tecnica diablo 110 which are both supposedly race last (for my narrow ass feet) but softer for off-piste etc. guy says that he steers all flexon junkies to these boots and all have come back happier (which is saying something, good store, hardcore clientele). i try both and nordica seems to suit my foot a bit better...i chose not to pull the trigger cause the price was quite high and i wasn't going to be able to ski them before i left. he's also pushing me towards some aftermarket foam liners, is this really necc? is it worth it?

i happen in to a store over the wknd that has the 130 in my size for half off. the fitters there are useless. i try them on an although the shape is good, i have to say that like the feel of the hot rod better (softer plastics, booster, and somehow, it just wasn't exactly the same).

skimasterflex- i have to say that i'm intrigued with the idea of a 150 in the hands of a good boot fitter, not as an every day boot, but they've gotta be fun to blast around in some times. do all 150's come with the lace up gel liner?

[KANUTTEN]

I have only some general views I guess, haven't tried either of the boots you are considering.

1. Go with the fl.. feel. If a boot feels like it fits better it probably does. Sounds like the nordicas fit your feet better than the diablos. I actually have very wide feet, and I got directed towards some new tecnica's for that very reason.. coulld have been the diablo HiPerFit hotform though - in fact I think it was. Don't know of the last is very different from the race pro 110 though.

2. Foam liners. I have em and I love em. Never heard of anyone with negative experience on foam liners. They need to be fitted well - loads of ways to do this wrong. Depends on your feet though. If a normal liner fits your feet very good, I am sure it will be as good. The foam liner can be a bit cold, though. WC racers don't use foam, so if you can get a normal liner properly fittet it is prolly better. An ex race friend of mine used about 6 months of liner surgery to get the fit he wanted. So the easy way is the foam way.

Xcept for that I don't know shit;)

[Poacher]

I am pretty sure that the new yellowish Supercharger Ignition boot is a slighty updated Beast. fit is wide and flex is soft IMO.

[Meathelmet]

he's also pushing me towards some aftermarket foam liners, is this really necc? is it worth it?


Well, i have the Speedmachine 14s (130) and the liners are soft as a boob.
(btw,i am a bit lighter than you..)

While feeling nice in the shop,they pack out in few days. I mean,they dont totally vanish but they get way too mushy.


You mean the real injected foam booties with the foam liners, or some thermomoldable intuition/thermoflex liners (well,any Sidas liners..) ?

I personally wouldnt go with the foam liners.Might be too hard for everyday bashing.
But the intuitions/thermoflexes are golden.

I am currently trying to fit my 27 sized thermoflexes to my 24.5 sizes speedmachines... :)

Fits like a vice.

[Toby]

On foam liners in general: I've got Strolz shells and foamed liners. They are fucking $$$. I wouldn't trade them for anything. The fit is exact the whole way around your foot. Every mm of your foot is gripped perfectly. The only thing that sucks about them is they cost a fortune (they're never on sale) and now that I've had them I'll never be able to go without them (I'm on my 2nd pair now). The Strolz foam-injected leather liners are plenty warm, too. And they're nice and stiff too. Really, I can't find anything bad to say about them.

[KANUTTEN]

I personally wouldnt go with the foam liners.Might be too hard for everyday bashing.
But the intuitions/thermoflexes are golden.

???

And what exactly do you base this view on, MH??

Foamliners are not particularly hard, they just fit better.

[ulty_guy]

so i've pulled the trigger on hot rods for 279 EUR. i figure the fit is pretty damn good out of the box and for what i saved over the shop (200 euros) can go back into getting foam liners if i want them later. the shell size was perfect for my foot in both width and length.

[Meathelmet]

???

And what exactly do you base this view on, MH??

Foamliners are not particularly hard, they just fit better.

I tried my friends boots (has quite exactly the same kind of feet that i have...like a foot twin? )that had some foam injection liners (conformable) and i tough that the material itself felt "hard" compared to,say thermics.
Otherwise great.

That said dude ended up getting rid of them after few days of hucking because he felt his legs couldnt take the beating.
Went intuitive and his fine now.

All i meant to say that the harder foam injected boots "might" not be as foot friendly as other options,especially if you are hucking and your feet cant take the beating.

On the other hand,other people (as toby) have just raved about them.

I just gave my .02€ s...

[SponsoredByDuctTape]

I tried my friends boots (has quite exactly the same kind of feet that i have...like a foot twin? )that had some foam injection liners (conformable) and i tough that the material itself felt "hard" compared to,say thermics.
Otherwise great.

That said dude ended up getting rid of them after few days of hucking because he felt his legs couldnt take the beating.
Went intuitive and his fine now.

All i meant to say that the harder foam injected boots "might" not be as foot friendly as other options,especially if you are hucking and your feet cant take the beating.

On the other hand,other people (as toby) have just raved about them.

I just gave my .02€ s...

I'm definitely on the "foam is good" side. I just got some Hot Rods this season - I've only got three or four days on them - and I can already feel the liners getting packed out. Previously I was on some ancient Rossi Mtn. Viper's with Conformable foam liners. This was the best boot setup I have ever had, by far. Somehow I got the liners to last about 6 seasons, but they finally gave out and had to go. I already know I'm going to have to get new liners for the Hot Rods next season. Foam is choice, but I've heard good things about Zip Fits too.

[KANUTTEN]

I tried my friends boots (has quite exactly the same kind of feet that i have...like a foot twin? )that had some foam injection liners (conformable) and i tough that the material itself felt "hard" compared to,say thermics.
Otherwise great.

That said dude ended up getting rid of them after few days of hucking because he felt his legs couldnt take the beating.
Went intuitive and his fine now.

All i meant to say that the harder foam injected boots "might" not be as foot friendly as other options,especially if you are hucking and your feet cant take the beating.

On the other hand,other people (as toby) have just raved about them.

I just gave my .02€ s...

Fair enough, I guess...

But basing a view on foam liners on a pair that you have borrowed from a friend ???!!! just doesn't cut it for me. The thing is; these foamy things form around that little knuckle you have under your anckle, your bulky big toe, or whatever your idiosyncracities might be. No two feet are the same.

As for the hardness of the liner, I just don't find them particularly hard. One thing I should say though, is that they seem to fit a lot wider/pack out more on warmer days, whereas on colder days they seem to have a tighter fit (I need to unbuckle more). Don't know what this is due to...

[Meathelmet]

No two feet are the same.


No shit, Sherlock?

The "i personally wouldn´t use foams" statement is too brash and bold, is see it.
I just tried to convey a experience of a friend,who ended up discarding them for being too hard for his skiing style/feet.

So,sorry for talking a hole in my head and offending foambooters.



PS.Even if our feet aren´t the same, we have both skied days with the other ones skiboots, without any complaints.
Well,except the "eeww,your boots stink!" part...

[ulty_guy]

hey, meaty, got a bit of a footie fetish there? ;) thanks for the input.

[KANUTTEN]

No shit, Sherlock?...

Oh, don't go all wise on me now, meatman!;)

Heck, I guess I am bored. If it isn't already more than obvious; I think the foamliners are well worth it!

[Meathelmet]

hey, meaty, got a bit of a footie fetish there?


Umm,yes i have to admit, i heart feet...

http://www.ladybead.com/product_images/fjcream5100sm.jpg


But pereferably femaly and not so stinky.
:)

[slashy]

does anyone know if you can have the shell punched out ?

I recall reading somewhere that nowadays some of the shells cannot be punched out anymore because of the materials.

[ulty_guy]

on the racier shells with stiffer plastic, it'll work fine (especially on 'plug' boots), but freeride boots these days are made of must softer plastic than before.

[Cirquerider]

The plastic in the Hot Rods is fairly thick. Mine took a toe punche and 6th toe and metatarsal grinds just fine. For a 130 flex, the fore-aft motion is smooth and progressive. Laterally, there is no flex.

[adam]

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[BigLineSeeker]

Looks like the Beast without the lower exoskeleton

[flip]

I've been pretty happy with confrmable foam liners, but mine didn't have the foam tongue, and I have to say the fit wasn't spectacular (though done by a very reputable fitter). If my boots hadn't come with the conformables, I would go with intuitions or zipfits if only for the ability to remold them. I also wouldn't expect the intuitions to hold up as long as the other two, but the first season should be great with any of them and a bootfitter that knows what he's doing.

[skimasterflex]

Right, forgot the booster strap.

The Dobermann Pro (98mm last) has been around for years and is what most people know. The early release on the hot rods last year was 130 flex, but the ones in shops this year are a 115 and have different buckles. As far as removing the bolts, this is not recomended. Nordica considers these rivets that are meant to keep the boot together. This is defferent from the 'plug' race boots like lange and rossi. If you want the dobermann/hot rods softer you should cut the back. Most shops should have a tech manual explaining this.

skimasterflex is right though, the Dobermann WC Soft (150 flex) is a kick ass boot. Mine have been planed and stretched in so many places they hardly look like ski boots anymore. I ski in my 130 Hot Rods all the time, the WCs only come out in the odd race or skiercross course. Save the pain, save the cold and get the hot rods or dobermanns.

The Hot Rods are actually the same boot this year and last year but last years came with the cuff stiffener plate already installed so it was 130. This years say 115 but are 130 once you put in the plate I beleive.

[Ski Monkey]

I'm skiing the Hot Rod with Comformable foam liners(tongue included) and it's money now after a little grind for my sixth toe. I had to ski with the stock liner for a couple days until I could get in to foam them and it was shit in my opinion. Was all shifty, almost felt like the liner was a little too small for the last. I had a plug doberman a couple seasons ago as a second set of boots for groomer days and while the performance rocked, getting in and out was more a pain than I wanted to deal with. My previous main boot before the hot rod was an atomic GS9 with the comformable liner. Put in about 300 days on those liners before they got retired.

Regarding punching newer shells, that's not really a problem. Sometimes with the newer co-molded shells if you punch on a seam it can separate the two plastics. This was mainly related to Technicas and could be taken care of by first grinding the punch area to make the two plastics even and being careful when punching. There is a problem however with grinding the lower end boots as the plastic just melts, and doesn't grind.

[slashy]

thanks for the info spacemonkey. do not have meaty hoves but do have sixth toe like you have so I like boots that are pretty tight but just need that punch.

[ulty_guy]

just got my hot rods! pretty psyched about them, but yeah, the liners do suck. no worry though cause i saved a ton by scoring them on ebay and that can cover full foamies.