put the freerides on...?

[basom]

i'm trading away my CMH's for some really big Stoklis.
i used to tour on the CMH's.
i have new gotamas, and some pistols.
my heart wants to mount the gotamas alpine and switch my pistols to touring.
but my brain says the gotama is a better touring ski than the pistol.
i really want to ski these new new shiny pretty gotamas a shit ton, and i'm easily skiing at squaw at least 85% of my days this season.

somebody tell my brain to shut up.

[crashnburn'd]

I'd mount the Gotamas alpine and the Pistols with Freerides. I've never skied Pistols and the decision is strictly based on that if I could, I would ski Gotamas as an everyday ski.

[Huckwheat]

BASOM BRAIN.....STFU.

When you are dropping KT your first morning after waiting 2 hours to get up, and you know 200 hungry skiers are right behind you.....you will want the biggest things you can get at your disposal (and if you were skiing the freerides and popped a ski on the first cliff of the morning....then you really hate yourself).

What are you doing with the CMHs?

Welcome to Tahoe btw....I know you are a friend of Kellies too.

[mildbill.]

your brain is right.

big daddies/spats--inbounds good snow/donner trekker steeze
rbs (really big stocklis)--inbounds windchalk/going too fast
pistols--inbounds dorking/slush/bumpy crap
gots--touring

you should tour more, and that woudl solve the problem of wanting to use gots. if you take chairlifts you are lazy and don't really love skiing, hater.

[crashnburn'd]

big daddies/spats--inbounds good snow/donner trekker steeze
rbs (really big stocklis)--inbounds windchalk/going too fast
pistols--inbounds dorking/slush/bumpy crap
gots--touring


I forgot that his quiver is much larger than mine...

[lemon boy]

totally doesn't matter. Either will be a fine touring ski and when it's gonna go off at squaw you'll be skiing the 201 roids (assuming that's what you're getting) anyway.

I would say that Pistols/201 roids is a better in-bounds quiver than gots/roids. gots are sweet touring skis if foggy's setup is any indicator. Pistols should have a slight edge on them for hardpackiin.

The real answer though is to put linkens on all three and just not worry about silly inbounds vs. OB bindings.

[lemon boy]

and ownership of BDs and spats totally seals the deal that the gots get the freerides.

[basom]

BASOM BRAIN.....STFU.


What are you doing with the CMHs?

Welcome to Tahoe btw....I know you are a friend of Kellies too.

cmh's are going to mildbill becasue he wants them and i want his 201 DP's for wind buff destruction of headwall.
i do also have some other big skis though, that i could use to race people to that line i want. bigdads and 105's and spats. so you know, its just that these are so new, and i am a whore for new skis. obviously.

and i think i saw you at the gym a week or so ago. i felt yelling out HUCKWHEAT! from the eliptical trainer would not have been good gym etiquette.

[basom]

i hate it when my brain is right.
stupid brain.

[Huckwheat]

Shit man....you didnt give all relative details in first post. If the only question is Pistols or Gotamas for touring, I think you should go gotama.

Yeah, I am in the gym alot these days (was doing knee recoup, now am just chilling because of jaw recoup)....definately introduce next time. Are you really plugged in somewhere in Sierra Meadows? Drop on by....I am on my couch this week up Snowflower court.

[mildbill.]

if you really wanted to ski the gots alpine mount the 105s with freerides.

[basom]

Yeah, I am in the gym alot these days (was doing knee recoup, now am just chilling because of jaw recoup)....definately introduce next time. Are you really plugged in somewhere in Sierra Meadows? Drop on by....I am on my couch this week up Snowflower court.

yeah, been living in the meadows for about six weeks now. love it here.
what happened to your jaw?

[Vinman]

what happened to your jaw?
recently married...... no?

[basom]

if you really wanted to ski the gots alpine mount the 105s with freerides.

damn now bills brain is haunting me.
those p18's would look hawt on the goats.

but but.. i love those 105's for chrage and ski fast. but then, now i will have the stoklis. fuck. too many skis is confusing. no one should do this to them selves. its a waste of time and money.

[mildbill.]

you will have more springtime hard snow performance from the 105s, but still have good float for self propelled chrage and ski fast.

tour on your most versatile ski.

[lemon boy]

IMO the gots will be more versatile at the BCs necessarily slower speeds than the 105s will.

[basom]

would be the third mount on those 105's.
but i guess there is a fuck ton on metal in that ski.

[basom]

IMO the gots will be more versatile at the BCs necessarily slower speeds than the 105s will.


good point. and about two pounds lighter per ski.

you guys are helping. thnx.

[marshalolson]

my .02

105's kick too much ass to put FR's on. so do 201 roids.

put the FR's on goats. plus that requires less drilling into skis, and switching etc...
then you have:
pistols for crappy snow days/jibbing
goats for touring
BD's for everday
105's for hucking/charging
roids for mach looney.
spat for "those days"

edit: forgot a few :eek:

[Arty50]

tour on your most versatile ski.

Exactly, so put the freerides on the Pistols. :p

Basom, as a fellow Spatula and Gotama owner I have to say you should mount the Gotamas alpine. While I love the Spats dearly, I find that I ski my Gotamas a lot more. In fact they've pretty much become my everyday ski. Only during rock/early season and on the hardest of days do I break out the G4s. The Spats I save for some super deep days and for days when I know things are going to get all chopped up really fast. Also, unlike lph, I don't have 10 pairs. :D So I'm trying not to beat the absolute hell out of them. All said and done, I probably spend 70-80% of the time on my Gots.

But from what I hear, the Gotamas are a great touring ski... :FIREdevil

[lemon boy]

But arty! He has BDs for an everyday fatty which is way better suited to inbounds charging than gots (note: BDs rule as touring skis also).

[basom]

put the FR's on goats. that requires less drilling into skis, and switching

this is a good point.
maybe i need two pairs.
or i could get sanouks.
heh.

[slim]

Put the FR's on the Gotamas because that's what I tour with and I'm the coolest fucking guy in the world and you want to be just like me.

Leave everything else the same. Stop fucking around. You have too much over-lap in your alpine quiver as it is.

[stump832]

Put the FR's on the Gotamas because that's what I tour with and I'm the coolest fucking guy in the world and you want to be just like me.

Ditto. Join the collective. The dumpy asian hard-drive model collective.

[basom]

my excessive overlap is not on the disscussion table. you fucking dick.

edit: dicks

[Yossarian]

bowl of dick?
dicks?

[marshalolson]

if it makes it any easier, i'll take those 105's off your hands

[Yossarian]

no kidding. Telemarking sucks.

[Vinman]

Go buy some real bindings.

that might be one of the most stupid responses of all time.

[stump832]

that might be one of the most stupid responses of all time.

Like anybody could even know that.

[Vinman]

Why don't you go back to tipping cows and and fucking sheep up there in NoVo.......umkay? :rolleyes:

you're the shepard....


Seriously why make a post like that? Everyone else in the thread was either informative or at least funny.... you were neither

[mildbill.]

Everyone else in the thread was either informative or at least funny.... you were neither

vin--it's called a 'trend'

[Vinman]

vin--it's called a 'trend'

oh now I remember some peeps just like to talk alot and say nothing and then wonder why other peeps give them shit about it. Sorry my bad.

[Vinman]

Go buy some real bindings.

says the guy that started this thread


http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21175

[Steven S. Dallas]

or at least funny.... you were neither

I thought it was funny, but I have a really shitty, stupid sense of humor. Glad to see I'm not alone.

[Vinman]

Solid logic there can't arge with that :rolleyes:

[stump832]

Guys, highwaystar has a valid point. Bas asked if he should buy freerides, or trekkers + real-man bindings. So stop beating up on him.

Wait, thats not what he was asking?

[mildbill.]

stump, your ownership of freeride bindings clearly means you don't throw down as hard as highwaystar.

please delete your posts, drink some drano, spit it in the air so it gets in your eyes and gives you glaucoma, then as treatment smoke too much reefer and get lung cancer and fuck yourself and DIE.

[Vinman]

Yep.....I have a pair. They'll be up for sale pretty soon. I don't trust them at all. In fact, due to my extremo binding paranoia steeze, I no longer trust any commercial (14 din or below) binding on the market. Go figure.

Cool man go buy yourself some "binders" (great thread there too btw) so you can no longer be paranoid.

[mildbill.]

someday i'll go in the backcountry to get some mileage and see how it goes.

is catwalk open at kmart yet? that would be sweet.

[slim]

bill hates the backcountry almost as hard as he hates skiing.

[Vinman]

is catwalk open at kmart yet? that would be sweet.

Don't forget your beacon, shovel and probe and personal locator beacon just in case... Be careful out there man its dangerous.

[mildbill.]

Perhaps I should stop buying them:

'01 S916
'05 S916
997 11-17 Florecent yellow
997 11-17 Yellow/Silver
'05 P18
'05 P18

Tomorrow: buying some atomic 1018's to put on my (gasp) metrons.

i picture you pouring mountain dew all over yourself and shouting "EXTREEEEEEEEAM" as you typed this.

thanks for that.

[crashnburn'd]

Anytime I've attempted to "throw down hard" on freerides, my ski promptly separated from my boot and I was thrown down, hard. YMMV.

I had this problem except with my Naxos. Everytime I threw down (read huge hucks) my skis seperate too. To solve this, I pulled the din adjusters off and put 5 nickels in the toes and heels and screwed them back together. I estimate it gives me a DIN of roughly 36.8. When I was at Killington on Oct. 30th, I threw down over this massive booter, probably launched me a good 4 or 5 ft in the air. I ate it hard on the landing and broke both of my legs, but at least my skis didn't come off. I would have had a hell of a time finding them in all the blower.

[slim]

i picture you pouring mountain dew all over yourself

bill hates mountain dew unless it's Code Red.

[Vinman]

i picture you pouring mountain dew all over yourself and shouting "EXTREEEEEEEEAM" as you typed this.

thanks for that.

I just had water come out my nose..................bwwwwaaaaaaa

[mildbill.]

or limited edition grape, the finest of all mt. dews.

[stump832]

All I'm saying is that if you guys threw down or spent anytime in the BC, you'd be thinking a little bit harder about the whole situation, and not just trying to answer the question bas asked.

I'm also thinking that losing weight might be one way to not eject from your sub-14 DIN binding when you throw down (hard.)

[Vinman]

base is a little chubby......

[crashnburn'd]

All I'm saying is that if you guys threw down or spent anytime in the BC, you'd be thinking a little bit harder about the whole situation, and not just trying to answer the question bas asked.

I'm also thinking that losing weight might be one way to not eject from your sub-14 DIN binding when you throw down (hard.)

Like you can even talk... There isn't shit for BC in Utah.

[stump832]

Like you can even talk... There isn't shit for BC in Utah.

I'm gonna talk anyways. I'm the voice of reason, in a sea of slack-ass hate.

[mildbill.]

I'm gonna talk anyways.

it's the tgr way.

[slim]

it's the tgr way.

bill hates tgr.

[Huckwheat]

Why would you try to ski big shit on big skis with freerides if you're a big dude.....WHY? So you can hike shit and ski it while constantly worrying about a pre-release or freeheel mode? So you can hold back? So you can have an UBER 60mm stand height on your powder skis?

P18's+Trekkers = 7.25 lb
Freerides = 4.6 lb

If you need to save that 2.65 lb, buy slightly lighter boots, or thermoflexes. Seriously.

Trekkers are for simple skins up to a single techy line or big cliff, but those things scare the F@# outta me. You cannot get any leverage when sidehilling.

I have skied plenty of scary shit on my Fritschis and even hucked some decent stuff, and if you keep some control they dont worry me (and I am 6'4" 210).

I would rather risk a slightly lesser binding on the decent, and have a more solid binding for the ascent. If you are doing much serious touring the ascents can kill you as easy as the decents.

[lemon boy]

I just wonder who all these people are that are throwing down 80' hucks and 2,500' - 45* straighlines in the "bc" where you'd actually want touring bindings cause trekkers would be a painful, poor substitute? I mean shit, I am sure that Jamie Pierre just fucking uses snowshoes to access his big BC booters cause no way could trekkers get you in like that and we all know that 150' ---> hottub would DESTROY dynafits.

And ummm anybody who's so rad that they feel like freerides are not going to hold up to the radness they plan to drop on a day's tour, please just let me know beforehand so I can find something else entirely to do, great...thanks!

[Your Attorney]

And ummm anybody who's so rad that they feel like freerides are not going to hold up to the radness they plan to drop on a day's tour, please just let me know beforehand so I can find something else entirely to do, great...thanks!

Says the guy that NEEDS bigger, stiffer skis than anything produced.:rolleyes:

[lemon boy]

Says the guy that NEEDS bigger, stiffer skis than anything produced.:rolleyes:

Yes, how else can I get rad out of the heli or in-bounds than on real skis? Of course, my bindings will hold up in or out of bounds.

[PNWbrit]

I just wonder who all these people are that are throwing down 80' hucks and 2,500' - 45* straighlines in the "bc" where you'd actually want touring bindings cause trekkers would be a painful, poor substitute? I mean shit, I am sure that Jamie Pierre just fucking uses snowshoes to access his big BC booters cause no way could trekkers get you in like that and we all know that 150' ---> hottub would DESTROY dynafits.

And ummm anybody who's so rad that they feel like freerides are not going to hold up to the radness they plan to drop on a day's tour, please just let me know beforehand so I can find something else entirely to do, great...thanks!

It's extra torque caused by the dick waving that screws up freerides

[lemon boy]

It's extra torque caused by the dick waving that screws up freerides

DOH! Totally forgot about that! Shit.

[stump832]

Guys, listen to what HighwayStar is saying, and stop being such myopic fuckshots.

Think about it. Freerides are a namby-pamby, low DIN binding. Low DIN bindings lead to fear - they make you scared of prerelease (teeheee! stay with me). Fear leads to hate. Hate has been shown to lead to heart disease. Thats a fact, you could look it up.

Do you really want to be standing on the top of a super-sickety gnar gnar line that you want to charge in the hardest way possible, and then have to worry about your blood pressure and the thought of dying from a heart attack before the age of 55? I didn't think so. So just stfu and buy some goddamn trekkers and some bindings that aren't intended for the Nathan Lanes of the ski world, and stop dogpiling on highwaystar.

[Steven S. Dallas]

Low DIN bindings lead to fear - they make you scared of prerelease (teeheee! stay with me). Fear leads to hate.

Bill needs to lose those Marker m3.1s. That would fix everything.

[nhtele]

i want his 201 DP's for wind buff destruction of headwall.


So you'll be what, the 4th owner of this pair of skis right?

[Huckwheat]

Guys, listen to what HighwayStar is saying, and stop being such myopic fuckshots.

Think about it. Freerides are a namby-pamby, low DIN binding. Low DIN bindings lead to fear - they make you scared of prerelease (teeheee! stay with me). Fear leads to hate. Hate has been shown to lead to heart disease. Thats a fact, you could look it up.

Do you really want to be standing on the top of a super-sickety gnar gnar line that you want to charge in the hardest way possible, and then have to worry about your blood pressure and the thought of dying from a heart attack before the age of 55? I didn't think so. So just stfu and buy some goddamn trekkers and some bindings that aren't intended for the Nathan Lanes of the ski world, and stop dogpiling on highwaystar.


HA....funny post.....but I still disagree (and why so ANGRY man?).

Have you ever set off skinning up a super crusty ascent at the wee hours of the morning. With Trekkers you are about 5 cm off your skis and there is tons of flex, so you cannot set a real edge. If all you do is slog up a skin track, then sure Trek away. But if you skin any challenging ascents, then I think you are taking your lives in your hands (Or you just have to use your crampons alot more).

Edit: I want some Cham skiers to weigh in. One of my best buddies (who is 6'5" 230) has spent the last 5 winters in Cham and he skis his Explosivs with Freerides. With the exposure out there, I am guessing no one would be caught dead on Trekkers.....or wait, I mean, they WOULD be caught dead. HA.

[stump832]

and why so ANGRY man?

Its probably because I have chosen freerides.

[Huckwheat]

I have three pairs of Trekkers at my house.....will trade you for one pair of Freerides.

[Huckwheat]

I have another point too!

My friend Goldenboy was in AK last march and was skinning with a few people. He and his other Crested Butte buddy were on Trekkers, because they had already packed 2 pairs of skis for taking up in the Heli and didnt want to bring touring stuff too (for the record GB has first decents to his name on Colorado 14ers...ON FREERIDES).

Anywho.....they see this huge slide barreling down the hill, full national geographic video style, three of them manage to ski forward and get out of the way, but they look back and the forth guy gets totally crushed and taken. GB and buddy start fucking around with their trekkers (and are crouch deep in snow), and luckily the forth (who was Rob DesLauries) was on Freerides and was able to just lock a heel and ski down to help the guy partially buried. R.D. was at the buried guy helping, before GB and friend were even clicked into their skis.

Trekkers suck!

[schuss]

this threads radness levels have been maxed, please start another thread so further radness can be contemplated.


Freerides+spats= confusion?

[slim]

I think the very clear conclusion of this thread is that Basom sucks.

[stump832]

I think the very clear conclusion of this thread is that Basom sucks.

You forgot to mention his quiver overlap, as well. And I really don't believe Huckwheat's story at all. Why would they need trekkers if they were in AK where everyone just flys in helis? I call bullshit.

[basom]

Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!

http://www.kcactive.com/aande/images/reelimages/anchorman.jpg

[slim]

Boy, that escalated quickly... I mean, that really got out of hand fast!


It's your fault, dill-hole.

[Vinman]

good thing you are trying to work some of those pounds off in the gym so you can throw down harder and be able to run a lower DIN so you don't worry about coming out of those death traps.

[Huckwheat]

Fuck Basom.....it hurts my face to laugh......great response.

Can you believe 79 posts all because we want to make sure you are on the right backcountry setup!!!

[basom]

yeah well, it got bill posting again. which is as rare as it is hilarious. nice little bonus.

[stump832]

bill is at home frantically patching his tinfoil hat as i type this.

[slim]

bill is at home frantically patching his tinfoil hat as i type this.

bill hates mind reading.

[basom]

triangulate!
form of: total hilarity
ho!

[seldon]

bill hates mind reading.
The reason he's still in the winnebago, swearing his fucking ass off, is because numbnuts like yourself keep telling him he hates everything. Maybe if you'd get off his case he'd leave the fucking motorhome.

[crashnburn'd]

The reason he's still in the winnebago, swearing his fucking ass off, is because numbnuts like yourself keep telling him he hates everything. Maybe if you'd get off his case he'd leave the fucking motorhome.

What in the hell are you talking about?

[slim]

What in the hell are you talking about?

I have no idea. I'm going to pretend he's not here.

[stump832]

la la la la la la

[lemon boy]

This thread sucks. Basom, quit being such a fucking pussy and make a decision for christ's sake!

[shmerham]

i'm trading away my CMH's for some really big Stoklis.
i used to tour on the CMH's.
i have new gotamas, and some pistols.
my heart wants to mount the gotamas alpine and switch my pistols to touring.
but my brain says the gotama is a better touring ski than the pistol.
i really want to ski these new new shiny pretty gotamas a shit ton, and i'm easily skiing at squaw at least 85% of my days this season.

somebody tell my brain to shut up.

Cool... I don't feel so alone in that my brain can't keep it simple for the life of me. ...but that's what weed is for. Smoke a bowl, then decide.

[Foggy_Goggles]

If it even matters anymore. Base...Goats + Freerides = BC domination. And Arty, I still can't understand a man of your girth skiing in bounds. Those planks must shiver when they see you coming.

[Arty50]

If it even matters anymore. Base...Goats + Freerides = BC domination. And Arty, I still can't understand a man of your girth skiing in bounds. Those planks must shiver when they see you coming.

http://www.tultw.com/pics/asm155.jpg
Just what I always wanted, my own little pair of skis. I will name them George, and I will hug them and pet them and squeeze them.


Seriously though, they're my most favoritest skis ever. And with the exception of the eternally cracking wood sidewall, they've been bombproof. Thankfully, this year I'll be getting my hands on the new ones with the p-tex sidewalls.

[seldon]

I have no idea. I'm going to pretend he's not here.

I misremembered basom's old location - "in the winnebago, swearing my fucking ass off" as belonging to mildbill. Apparently the joke, and the sarcasm, was lost in the interweb. Adventures of the unfunny part deux.

[runethechamp]

I suggest you sell the Freerides and buy a pair of P18s instead for all inbounds fun. This way you will be forced to explore more of Squaw on the less than perfect days.

[CantDog]

I read all your posts and agree with your points. I think it's pretty clear to everyone that trekkers are not the choice for serious alpine touring, that's why they make AT bindings of all sorts of flavors. And AT Boots and AT skis. However, alot of us aren't serious AT skiers.......we just like to hike up and ski on freshies, and jump off shit. I know better than to go adventuring up any ultra-knar high alpine spots.

I know that due to my weight (180lb) and short bootsole (293mm), I can't ski any 12 din binding set to 11, period.....I pre-release several times a day just freeskiing on mellow terrain. If I'm going bother hiking up something, I want my full on alpine ski gear to ski it with. Otherwise, what's the point? I'm a skier, not a mountaineer. If that means I need to switch over to crampons or snowshoes at some point, so be it....just need to come with the right stuff.

Does putting Freerides on big powder skis make sense? Evidently it does for some people - those who have huge feet and can ski a 10 din setting on a 12 din binding, and who are going to make lots of climbing laps in deep snow.

So what you are saying is your compensating for your lack of "size" with a high din binding?

[Mr. Altagirl]

Just being a voice of reason here but might I suggest to Basom the following scenario:
Send me your new goats, I will send you my old PR's (3 years old, compressed edges, zero camber remaining) with an old set of Diamir II's mounted about 10 cm forward of the old "Binder" holes. This way, you will not be tainted by the goat's raddness yet you will be ultra core by charging hard on a light weight AT setup. I think it may be your only option at this point. Please PM me for our address. Thank you.

[Steven S. Dallas]

However, alot of us aren't serious AT skiers.......we just like to hike up and ski on freshies, and jump off shit.

Is that the royal "we," man? The editorial?

I don't remember this thread being intended to address your AT needs and desires. Basom is probably THE preeminent AT honcho west of the Mississippi and hates freshies and jumping off shit, except maybe the headwall on Superstar.

[basom]

except maybe the headwall on Superstar.

only if i poach it when its all melted out.