View Full Version : [Discussion-topic] a new, one-stop-website for maggots! (we're underway)
Allright people, listen up! I've had this conversation with Roo and we thought up a plan, a plan that could make us all very happy puppies.
Take a few minutes to think about how your weblife looks like. If it's anything like ours, you were posting on the powderboard, uploading and looking at pictures from biglines, checking movies from eengoedidee.nl and every once in a while using the auto-thumbnail-creator ( ;)).
But now this has all changed!
Biglines started branding their images, eengoedidee.nl is asking for a password, making direct linking impossible and the powderboard is being jurked around by some corporate dicks.
The question is, what can we do? At the moment, nothing! One of the problems we're facing right now is about control. We don't have any of it! And that could change!
The idea is to create a site, for maggots, by maggots, that combines everything we used to do on seperate sites, but now on 1 site! Take 10 seconds to realize what this means.
* All the porn you can imagine, just one click away
* All the stoke you can imagine on a well organized, feature-rich, bulletinboard, which is frequently backed up.
* All the latest news of the industry by the people that are in the know.
* Customized user-pages : with one page, you'd access everything, your favorite bookmarked topics, a buddy list, an overview of the newly uploaded movies/images, etc, etc
* Control, with a couple of maggots 'in charge', something like a voting system would be a great way to make sure everyones voice is heard. No more corporate dicks making decisions everyone hates.
* All the room we need for creating special pages (for summits et al).
* no more popups/banners, ever!
* the latest links to ebay-deals containing the words 'fat-ski' 'powder' etc
Etcetera.. There's no limit of what we can achieve through this. Of course, renting a big server has a price, but with the connections we have it should be a low one. My suggestion is some sort of fee to not only take care of the hosting-costs, but also do some good for skiing. I'd personally easily pay 2 bucks a year for a server that would provide me with these features. And if we´d have money to spare, we could give it to charity and make a difference.
Primedia won't kill us, it´s only gonna make us stronger!
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So what do we need?
Overall
* Control, knowing that our history won't be some day deleted. The chance to get our stuff backed up, so that in the unlikely event of a crash, we've got our threads backed up.
Tech
* webserver that supports PHP/Mysql
* huge disk for storing porn
* mysql database of our own
* bandwidth, lots of bandwidth
App
* Forumsoftware that is free, scalable and usable with other modules (www.phpbb.com)
* upload-scripts for both movies and pictures (prolly need to be custom made, based upon free scripts)
* some sort of cms-script, that enables the rapid design of extra pages (eg. summit-pages) with their own 'owners'
People
AH - Webprogrammer
ONS - Webprogrammer / techsupport
Furthermore, we need some people to get this thing on the road. Please let me know if you're interested to help out and what your designated skill is.
[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
Bump for the morning crew...
Cornholio
10-02-2003, 08:35 AM
If you build it, and it's good, they (we) will come...
optics
10-02-2003, 08:58 AM
I like it.
Summit
10-02-2003, 09:07 AM
Make it an optional pay site. You need a critical mass of users to make it work. If you make everyone pay, even just $2, you will lost 90% of your potential users. Because the price is too high? NO! Because people are lazy tards who don't want to go through the rigamorole to pay.
Give paying users perks... graphical avatars... picture posting space... the prestige of being a supporter... etc.
This model has been successfully used by other boards.... usefilm.com and ar15.com come readily to mind.
FreakofSnow
10-02-2003, 09:08 AM
Liking the ideas Bart, lets heare more.
altagirl
10-02-2003, 09:24 AM
Sounds like Dirtrider.net You can read posts and post plain old text messages for free. You want to upload pictures or do searches or be able to PM people - you pay a membership fee. And guess what? The site actually freaking works...
Well, let's start by saing this shouldn't be my idea. I'm only a shorttime maggot, compared to others, but the community feel has strongly appealed to me. That's the reason that I think we should be exploring our options. Most of all I think our options should be led by the fact that we want to stay together, and not be scattered all over the internet.
I can think of many other things we could be doing, but i'd rather have it that other maggots came out and spoke up about whay they want. This is our chance to make the site we really want. The sky is the limit, as long as we work together on this.
So let's hear it! What should a 'free' site offer? What should a paid site offer over the free version? Where do we draw the line? What's the kind of money we're talking about? What does everyone want? I can think of vids, stills and a forum, but we've also got writers amongst us, who might even deserve their own space..
Originally posted by altagirl:
<STRONG>Sounds like Dirtrider.net You can read posts and post plain old text messages for free. You want to upload pictures or do searches or be able to PM people - you pay a membership fee. And guess what? The site actually freaking works...</STRONG>
Could you tell me some more about that? Does it offer personalized pages (I'd like some sort of page where all your prefered threads, images, links, etc is together)? Do you know who much users it has and what the pct of paying users is?
brownmonkey
10-02-2003, 09:31 AM
Think about it - what needs to happen to make this work?
Snappy URL - Roo suggested Chowdermag.com...
Webspace / Bandwidth for Forum - how much per month? I see good hosts with all the features we would need (1Gb space / 40,000Mb/Month bandwidth) for about £20 per month.
The UBB Bulletin engine is cheap and effective.
That's all we need to get started, and build the community - the rest of the value add pieces can follow as soon as we get them online.
I agree with making the cost voluntary - we need to get enough of a community together to make the site work. I think most of the regulars wouldn't mind throwing in a couple of bucks if the site is worth it, but that will follow based on how good it is.
I'm happy to pony up some of the cash to get this started...
EPSkis
10-02-2003, 09:35 AM
Thumbs up on the idea. We have enough experience among the Collective to get this thing off the ground..
Once again - I'll volunteer my design and maintenance knowledge.
I may actually be able to speak to someone about hosting a site using this and PM as an example...
I'll touch base later on with any details. Oh, and who's the contact?
Dexter Rutecki
10-02-2003, 09:38 AM
I'm not too smaht on computer issues, but can all of the above be accomplished here? Or would cost to TGR be prohibitive?
ONS?
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Dexter Rutecki ]
Originally posted by brownmonkey:
<STRONG>Think about it - what needs to happen to make this work?
Snappy URL - Roo suggested Chowdermag.com...
Webspace / Bandwidth for Forum - how much per month? I see good hosts with all the features we would need (1Gb space / 40,000Mb/Month bandwidth) for about £20 per month.
Bandwidth for a forum isn't that much, but I increases, rather rapidly, when we start exchanging movies/pictures. Besides that, I'd rather pay a couple of bucks more for a decent hoster (good backups, low downtime, good service, etc) than take my chances with a cheap one.
The UBB Bulletin engine is cheap and effective.
True, but there's better ones, which are completely free and offer more scalability (which we're gonna need if we're expanding in steps).
That's all we need to get started, and build the community - the rest of the value add pieces can follow as soon as we get them online.
The community is allready in place, we just need to steer it somewhere :)
I agree with making the cost voluntary - we need to get enough of a community together to make the site work. I think most of the regulars wouldn't mind throwing in a couple of bucks if the site is worth it, but that will follow based on how good it is.
I'm happy to pony up some of the cash to get this started...</STRONG>
Ok, cool :) But here's a problem, who's gonna lead this bunch? I'm all for democracy, but there need to be people in charge. My guess would be to get a group of some well respected oldschool maggots together..
Furthermore, I'd be more than happy to work on the tech-side of the site, with some help.
Originally posted by EPSkis:
I may actually be able to speak to someone about hosting a site using this and PM as an example...
I'll touch base later on with any details. Oh, and who's the contact?[/QB]
If you need a contact, my mail is bart [at] skizone [dot] nl, I'll make sure everything will be posted here. (if needed, you can show em the new design i'm working on for my own site, www.skizone.nl/forum/index_new.php (http://www.skizone.nl/forum/index_new.php))
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
Karl Stall
10-02-2003, 09:43 AM
I'll throw a few bucks in, but I ain't got no computer skilz other than my general spelling prowess. :D
I want an email address at the new site - that would be cool.
Otherwise, this place is fine and Owens is already our leader and, on top if it, he listens!
:eek:
Mountainman
10-02-2003, 09:45 AM
Those are some great ideas.i'd pay. don't forget a chat for the few of us that go in it though.
anybody still have powder as their homepage? im still afraid to let go of it
altagirl
10-02-2003, 09:47 AM
Dirtrider has almost 31,000 members. Not sure about what percentage are paying members. I'd say we could contact their webmaster guy to ask about details, but they're in the middle of Dirt Week - which is like our summits x10. (Free demo bikes from Yamaha and KTM, sweet giveaways, organized races and events...)
Here's the link to their subscription/membership options:
http://dirtrider.net/members/subscribe.html
You get more benefits the more you pay. I thought it was a little expensive, but it's been worth it.
Originally posted by Karl Stall:
I want an email address at the new site - that would be cool.
Otherwise, this place is fine and Owens is already our leader and, on top if it, he listens!
:eek:[/QB]
Email-adresses are cool.. something to think about. And yes, this place is fine, Owens rules, but this place has limited options, because it's the TGR-site and not the Maggot-site. That's exactly the reason why I would realy like to have owens on board on this, btw. I don't want to compete with tgr, I just want to create something complete that will last, for a long time..
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
brownmonkey
10-02-2003, 10:06 AM
Ok, cool But here's a problem, who's gonna lead this bunch? I'm all for democracy, but there need to be people in charge. My guess would be to get a group of some well respected oldschool maggots together..
Absolutely - I've been lurking in the sidelines at the PM forum for over a year, occasionaly posting, but we need a few of the senior maggots to make this a winner.
The biggest problem I can see is that this will take time to get up and running, and in that time, the community might have split up, or found a home somewhere else (or settled here).
brownmonkey
10-02-2003, 10:08 AM
One thing - I think we need to avoid this colour scheme. I feel sick :(
Summit
10-02-2003, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki:
<STRONG>I'm not to smaht on computer issues, but can all of the above be accomplished here? Or would cost to TGR be prohibitive?
ONS?</STRONG>
I like the idea of a new site... but its a big endevour and woudl take a lot of time to build up and a lot of time to make run. I think Dexter has a point that we should see what we can do with what we already have before we go out on a new site. I'm not totally clear on what all cannot be done here that we would otherwise want.
But what do I know? I am brand new to the TGR forum as it is so don't listen to me (or else!) :D
As to the pay at will site idea, it has been implimented on large scale sites like AR15.com (the data line to which seems to have temporarily lost a fight with a backhoe, they have at least 4 domain names) and the other dirt biking site mention. Both have 10s of thousands of users. AR15 at least has 2 or 3 levels of paying membership each offering more features and prestige. It has also been implimented on small sites like usefilm.com (few hundred users) and others where hte payment and benefits are minimal and don't always offset the operational costs, but certainly help keep them down.
Originally posted by brownmonkey:
Absolutely - I've been lurking in the sidelines at the PM forum for over a year, occasionaly posting, but we need a few of the senior maggots to make this a winner.
Any volunteers? Splat?
The biggest problem I can see is that this will take time to get up and running, and in that time, the community might have split up, or found a home somewhere else (or settled here).
True, we shouldn't take too much time deciding on irrelevant stuff.
I'd like some opinions from people : Given the current situation with Primedia and given the idea as posted in this topic, do you think the general idea will be feasible?
If so, what's the suggestion on the url?
trainnvain
10-02-2003, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by brownmonkey:
<STRONG>One thing - I think we need to avoid this colour scheme. I feel sick :(</STRONG>
Is that what it is? I just thought I was Really hung over (which could be the case too).
funkendrenchman
10-02-2003, 10:17 AM
This sounds like a great idea, but i have a question - how are the JONGS going to find our site? Eventually, we are going to need new people to join our community. Where could we advertise it so new people would actually go there?
optics
10-02-2003, 10:20 AM
I think the way to go is freestanding. Split things up more, it'd be tough to not have a separate forum for techtalk/etc., have biglinesesque pic upload for payers, features (trip reports ala Rev, gear reviews ala Spatters...)
Who would run it? Just get it set up, let it run itself. Judging by the number of maggots who run their own sites, it wouldn't be a problem to get a few spare hours donated tot the cause. Maintenance only did harm over yonder.
I like the idea of free viewing, small (one-time) fee to upload, if you want instants, all that.
Summitco- your statement that having to go through the hassle of paying would keep people away shows how ridiculously unfamiliar you are with this/that community.
changeforanickel.com is unregistered, btw.
altagirl
10-02-2003, 10:25 AM
Originally posted by funkendrenchman:
<STRONG>This sounds like a great idea, but i have a question - how are the JONGS going to find our site? Eventually, we are going to need new people to join our community. Where could we advertise it so new people would actually go there?</STRONG>
Send out stickers to paying members?
Link/banner swapping with other ski industry sites?
Originally posted by optics:
Who would run it? Just get it set up, let it run itself. Judging by the number of maggots who run their own sites, it wouldn't be a problem to get a few spare hours donated tot the cause. Maintenance only did harm over yonder.
We would. Maintenance is something that has to be done every once in a while. Even more so, we would now be able to make changes we want, instead of being dependant on what others do.
I like the idea of free viewing, small (one-time) fee to upload, if you want instants, all that.
Summitco- your statement that having to go through the hassle of paying would keep people away shows how ridiculously unfamiliar you are with this/that community.
I see a system where you can register for free and 'buy' certain updates, thus making a truly pay-for-use-system.
changeforanickel.com is unregistered, btw.[/QB]
And we have a winner :)
tonghands
10-02-2003, 10:36 AM
Sounds like a good idea. While Owens indeed kicks ass, some of the other guys in the flick bidness can't or won't make the move over here. I think Slip mentioned this on that other site. Makes sense that they don't want to advertise on their competitor's site, cause that ain't cool, but it would be a bummer to lose them.
Count me in.
Owens Never Sleeps
10-02-2003, 11:12 AM
I'll support you guys in whatever you want to do. I gotta say, It's nice to have you all here though.
We can do this two ways - You can develop something new, or I can work with you on features you'd like to see added here. I currently have three sites that all have public photo upload needs so that one is coming soon. We already serve about 400 gigs a month so the forum bandwidth doesn't really phaze me. It's nothing.
As far as other film compnaies go, I'm all for freedom of speech. Other good film companies just make the industry as a whole look better. No animosity. This is your forum - not mine. All are welcome. Just let me know how I can make it better.
I'm in doubt. At the one hand, we should all acknowlegde that owens rocks! On the other hand, it might be easier to generate everything we want starting from scratch.
Whichever option we choose, let it be clear that Owens rules and that we're not attempting to lure people away from the tgr-board. We're just trying to make the world an easier place, without Primedia hassle.
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
I think this looks pretty good here. Ok actually the graphics don't really do it for me but it feels pretty good.
Once again I'm impressed with the attitude TGR and Owens in particular have taken here. Just like I was impressed by what I think is their leading role in avalanche education. Don't know any other ski film outfits or magazines for that matter bothering with that.
If consensus is to go elsewhere again, fine. Just make paying easy and secure. Paypal is probably best but I don't know what the service costs. But I tend to think if TGR is glad to have us, I'm glad to be here.
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: L7 ]
Castro's
10-02-2003, 03:04 PM
Alright, I made the switch. I've always wanted to post over here anyway, but since we all posted at powmag I never bothered.
Lane Meyer
10-02-2003, 03:24 PM
This is a fantastic idea.
Changeforanickel.com is good, but I'd suggest coming up with something that says something about skiing in the title to attract those who might not realize the meaning behind that statement at first, particularly if we are trying to attract enough people to pay for itself. However someone brought up a good point in that there are more than enough of us to be self-sufficient.
We could give a nod to an old feature in Powder that I'm sure many of us loved:
graupel.com
Or keep it simple with
powdermaggots.com
My $0.02.....no matter what it is called, it is a GREAT idea. I'm in.
The Reverend Floater
10-02-2003, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Owens Never Sleeps:
<STRONG>I'll support you guys in whatever you want to do. I gotta say, It's nice to have you all here though.
We can do this two ways - You can develop something new, or I can work with you on features you'd like to see added here. I currently have three sites that all have public photo upload needs so that one is coming soon. We already serve about 400 gigs a month so the forum bandwidth doesn't really phaze me. It's nothing.
As far as other film compnaies go, I'm all for freedom of speech. Other good film companies just make the industry as a whole look better. No animosity. This is your forum - not mine. All are welcome. Just let me know how I can make it better.</STRONG>
Fuckin' A, ONS is the man! I say we do it here because ONS has always been good to us, posting stoke and answering questions, etc. It's his time to shine!
Who's with me?
Cornholio
10-02-2003, 03:34 PM
Let's not look beyond Owens' generosity, either.
I think this could be structured (I think) within the TGR site, like a community area. If you login, you get your own page of personalized links, news, snow reports, maybe airfares from the midwest, etc, Yahoo!-style.
I'd make it my homepage, fer sure.
Edit: Rev's got it.
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Cornholio ]
optics
10-02-2003, 03:35 PM
If Owens is into the idea, I am too.
I feel a little like we're sipping off his pitcher, somehow it's more noticeable with a small business than with Primevil.
That said, the collectif brought a fair amount of attention to the mag, and I say we could do the same for TGR. They bring me more stoke than powmag these days, and they give a shit.
Originally posted by The Reverend Floater:
<STRONG>
Fuckin' A, ONS is the man! I say we do it here because ONS has always been good to us, posting stoke and answering questions, etc. It's his time to shine!
Who's with me?</STRONG>
I hear you, but we should think about this : Can we do all the things we would want over here? Regardless of ONS, this still is, and always will be, TGR's board. And however cool TGR may be (thanks for the free hat and avy-education guys ;)), it should reflect the business-view of TGR, thus making it less usefull as a full-maggot-community.
I'm not out to divide the maggots, if anything, we should stick together right now. ONS mentioned earlier he wanted to cooperate on this, with hosting, developing and helping, so he deserves props whichever way it goes..
Karl Stall
10-02-2003, 03:49 PM
Good point. IF we were to embark on a maggot-specific realm, I seem to recall that Owens is in the web business, in addition to heli-skiing now, and he might have an interest in being contracted to design and build said maggot site. It would still be his site, and would be financially beneficial to him as well.
I, for one, will invest in the co-op if it happens. Otherwise, I have always maintained my allegiance to this forum as well as our old spot, and will continue to regardless.
One question: I see a few double-digit member #'s, but then a huge gap to the 200's. Where are all those other members? Defunct? Owens, do Dirk, Todd, Steve, Jeremy, Micah, T-Moe, and all the rest of da crew hang here? Will they now?
I'll shut up now :D
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: Karl Stall ]
EPSkis
10-02-2003, 03:55 PM
Free hats? Well hell - let's stay HERE!
btw: Talking to my BOSS, who's a complete & total Linux-head....And he may just be goofy enough to let us have a large chuck of his bandwidth & storage...Details to follow, unless the Collective (snowcollective.com / powcollective.com is also available) decides this would be an ample & able home..
What if we could find some way to come together on this? Not create the community inside the tgr-site, but next to it (kind of like using the backdoor to get in the same house). Somewhat less direct connected to TGR, to give others a chance to join in.
ONS and TGR would still get the traffic and the community, and we would get our 'own' place to web in, making it easier for slip et al to join in (I can imagine their problem, even with tgr being cool and all that)
Details would need to be worked out, but i'm sure something can be arranged here?
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
Arnold Pants
10-02-2003, 04:37 PM
Yes.
I recall back when the Sept Powder came out, to many poor reviews, there was a lot of discussion about how the community could help out the mag. There was certainly a lot of interest in doing something more with this energy. We wanted to be more than we were.
Now, another, much more traumatic event has occurred, the great board rape of '03, and I think the picture is a lot clearer. Powder, sad as it is to say, is dying. It was great, but it is old, tired and dying. But it has spawned something young, vibrant, and alive. And this new thing (community? collective? group stoke fest?) is bigger than Powder, bigger than Primedia, and (all due respect to ONS) bigger than TGR. We know it is bigger because it straining at its chains, trying to break out of its bulletin board cradle, travelling across the net in search of a true home.
Now, we can continue leaching of corporate parents (again, props and respect to ONS and this particular coporate parent, which is way cooler) forever limited by the confines of space not built for us, or...
... we can step out on our own, into a new world, one made by Maggots, run by Maggots, and thoroughly, permanently, infested by Maggots.
powdermag.com will always be the birthplace, and TGR an invaluable friend in a difficult time, but here, right now, in this thread, the new world can be born.
Carpe diem, or it will pass us by!
joshbu
10-02-2003, 04:54 PM
1. You would need a host willing to install/support UBB. Not all do or will.
2. You need a moderator. Now, sure powder (and this place) say "moderated by: no one" but that's not quite true. When tubgirl started showing up in all the powdermag threads, SOMEONE had to go clean out all of those posts. SOMEONE had to ban CWB and all of his aliases. That person needs to be around MOST of the time to handle these issues.
Just things to consider...
Originally posted by joshbu:
1. You would need a host willing to install/support UBB. Not all do or will.
We need a host that supports mysql and php, that is all. There's plenty of packages readily available for free that do the same trick ubb does, and more (phpbb for instance)
2. You need a moderator. Now, sure powder (and this place) say "moderated by: no one" but that's not quite true. When tubgirl started showing up in all the powdermag threads, SOMEONE had to go clean out all of those posts. SOMEONE had to ban CWB and all of his aliases. That person needs to be around MOST of the time to handle these issues.
Just things to consider...[/QB]
Jep, there needs to be a moderator, but i'm sure we can find a way to a decent solution. eg. This board is moderated by ons, and he's doing a fine job..
Pinner
10-02-2003, 05:01 PM
Can you display IPs and randomly moderate the thing using an anal probe from time to time? I've come to expect that and it just wouldn't be the same without.
Owens Never Sleeps
10-02-2003, 05:10 PM
Let's do this: You guys come up with a concise list of features you would like to have for yourselves as a community. Otherwise this will be a rambling non-goal oriented conversation.
Then we can look at what I can provide either through TGR or as a side entity (from my perspective one pronged development is easier to build and manage than two pronged) and how I can leverage those needs to help TGR out as well.
As a general rule, the final product is going to be somewhat different than anything we come up with here, just as a natural product of evolution.
Once a concise list is in place we can identify necessary resources, costs, etc... In the end, I think you might find that we (TGR) are willing to absorb cost and resources in order to receive the benefit of community presence while allowing for evolution on your own terms. At the same time the community may stand to benefit from our ability to bring in continual new blood.
Sounds like a good deal, as long as the maggots stay in control. That's the one thing that is vital, given the recent developments. I'll edit my first post to keep the list of demands updated, ok? btw, you needn't develop all this stuff, there's some good webdevelopers here who are willing to help.
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: AH ]
Chowda
10-02-2003, 07:45 PM
I think it would be great. I am of no use in the tech / building phase but I would be a proud supporter of such a project.
gonzo
10-02-2003, 08:45 PM
jah dood. raaaaaaad.
Dexter Rutecki
10-02-2003, 08:52 PM
Seriously, ONS seems more than happy to try to get us everything that we need (for me the board itself is basically enough). I don't see the need for another site and potentially further fragmentation/dilution of the maggots.
I think that a maggot site is a great idea, however, it could turn into a logistical nightmare. Owens has a great idea trying to incorporate it into this site.
I also post/read on a 4x4 bulletin board that has a volunteer pay mode that seems to work pretty well and has lots of good information for their sport http://www.pirate4x4.com they are almost as tight a group as the maggots and damn near as entertaining.
Id gladly do what i can to help with any such project.
Im a comp science student at montana state, am very familiar with mysql and am php conversant.
drop me a line at fez at m-squareddesign.com
of course, ill be around!
fineline
10-03-2003, 01:31 AM
I'd throw in a few bucks in a heartbeat, I just want the forum back that brought me endless stoke, inspiration, and happiness.
TJ.Brk
10-03-2003, 01:31 AM
I will pay for the domain name out of my own pocket. www.powdermaggot.com (http://www.powdermaggot.com) I dont' have to be a person setting it up or knowing the codes. I will pay the first year domain fee for it. I give you my word on that. 50bucks is nothing for what you guys have given me.
Man it is a bitch editing when you are druntk
Originally posted by TJ.Brk:
<STRONG>I will pay the first year domain fee for it. I give you my word on that. 50bucks is nothing for what you guys have given me.
Man it is a bitch editing when you are druntk</STRONG>
TJ, pass out already you drunk bastard.
And dont give network solutions your money if you can avoid it. Those bastards make primedia look like altruistic angels.
This new 'feature' they have of forwarding all unregistered urls to their site is bullshit.
I can register urls for $15 a year through my host company. So could hook it up there. I'm sure any of the other geeks could do the same.
TJ.Brk
10-03-2003, 01:37 AM
Or if you all want. I could incorporate it into my site. I Have a chatroom already. I'll pay for the upgrade. I have image loading. Oh and I left the control of editing to another maggot. Me cassa ei su cassa. No I'm not doing this for self promotion. I have a free site. I did my site under the way we all wish we could find out info about a resort for free. And I would leave control to a maggot voted board if need be (except for info needed for my resort area, but input from all, good or bad will always be used). I even have a maggot photo page started already.
but if not, I will pay for the www.powdermaggot.com (http://www.powdermaggot.com) domain name for a year to get us there. And leave who is running it up to a vote by all.
[ October 02, 2003: Message edited by: TJ.Brk ]
I think the best we can do is create our list of needs and take it from there. ONS has been supersupportive, so I think it's logical that we try to set ourselves up @ tgr, which saves us money and fragmentation...
TJ.Brk
10-03-2003, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by AH:
<STRONG>I think the best we can do is create our list of needs and take it from there. ONS has been supersupportive, so I think it's logical that we try to set ourselves up @ tgr, which saves us money and fragmentation...</STRONG>
A well put and constructive point to think about. And ONS has done nothing but be supportive in our time of need. Thank you for bringing a clarifying viewpoint for us all to realize. Again thank you. We need to be greatful, and think of all things that will fit our collective needs. Bump for you dude.
:cool:
Schmear
10-03-2003, 02:36 AM
Geez Teej, get in the cab. G'nite.
TJ.Brk
10-03-2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Schmear:
<STRONG>Geez Teej, get in the cab. G'nite.</STRONG>
no way man. I'm pissed and I have a half a bottle to go through yet. Your just goinng to have to deal with me being a stupid drunk jarhead awhile longer until I wake up tomorrow and see what an idiot I've been. And remember I said it first
:p
Originally posted by TJ.Brk:
<STRONG>
no way man. I'm pissed and I have a half a bottle to go through yet. Your just goinng to have to deal with me being a stupid drunk jarhead awhile longer until I wake up tomorrow and see what an idiot I've been. And remember I said it first
:p</STRONG>
just wanted to get this quoted before you sober up and start editing.
BakerBoy
10-03-2003, 03:17 AM
I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com (http://www.powdermaggot.com) That name and title has been taken from us, and there is no need to dwell on it any longer. We were a group before the Powder Mag website, we are now at TGR, and probably would be beyond it. So no references to Powder Mag.
Working things out here would be great, but it definitely might scare some people away (TGR and all), and I wouldn't feel right about advertising it (no offense).
bad_roo
10-03-2003, 03:59 AM
Originally posted by BakerBoy:
<STRONG>I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com (http://www.powdermaggot.com) </STRONG>
Seconded. Something skiing related but we need to move on.
vertigo
10-03-2003, 04:41 AM
Hi,
i've emailed AH already, but i'd be happy to offer any help i can. I've got alot of technical skill/experience of building websites (technical not design tho! my graphic design skills are on a par with stevie wonders)
Originally posted by BakerBoy:
<STRONG>I would like to give a big NO to
Working things out here would be great, but it definitely might scare some people away (TGR and all), and I wouldn't feel right about advertising it (no offense).</STRONG>
What would it take to change that? An alternate url?
Vertigo, I'm at work, I'll check my mail when I get home, thx for the help.
PeachesN'Cream
10-03-2003, 06:37 AM
hey all
i'm a new to the maggot game. i was trying to get going on the powder board the last few weeks but had some registration problems, then i saw things going whack and followed you all over here. anyway...
i have gotten quite a kick out of the maggot community and want'ta help out with the new board if i can. what i have to offer is graphic design skill. i'm damn familiar with building graphics for sites and interfacing with site builders. i also am well versed in logo and branding development. i think i could work up a pretty fresh logo and look for the new maggot site/board.
right now i'm on the mend from reconstructive shoulder surgery and i got nothing but time for the next week n' a half. i could start developing some logo ideas if that's cool with you all. could also work on some possible new names if you like. i don't want to step on toes though. if you already have a preferred designer you like to work with just let me know and i'll back the hell out.
also as a means for kicking up some funds for the site, what about selling some merch down the road? hoodies/hats/stickers with the logo on it. could muster some good funds.
let me know if i can help
bc-flow
Summit
10-03-2003, 07:11 AM
How about this for a solution:
Instead of requiring an entirely new board, a new migration, competing with TGR, etc...
Negotiate a partnership with TGR. TGR would continue to host the forums and the new domain could route to the forums. This has been done by several sites including AR-15/WeaponsForums.com wchi operates more than 4 domains taht all access the same forums.
This prevents forum chaos but still allows the room on the new site for any contenet and various other desirables that cannot be achieved here on TGR. The new site can be used for that. The crosslinking between the sites can be quite extensive as well. TGR would benefit because it would generate business for TGR.
AN IDEA OF A RESULT would be a seamless integration of the forum based on TGRs site into the new site and a varied topbar based upon the original domain used to access the site (TetonGravity.com or the new site). The new site would have a permanent TGR ad at the top and a menubar to access the other features of the new site. If a user accessed the forum from the tetongravity.com site, it would be totally at their discretion whether they would have a link at the top to the new site (it woudln't be needed since hte new site and it's url would obviously be mentioned constantly in the forum).
If you are dead set on a new site, a partnership with TGR would be infinately better than going it alone IMO. Use existing infrastructure and keep the costs down and make logistics easier! But first...
WHAT EXACTLY WILL THIS NEW SITE OFFER?
What is it that the new site would have that is not being or cannot be happily done here? Is there anything? If so, that should be discussed before jumping out to make the new site so you know 1. Whether its needed. 2. What you are going to need to accomplish it.
Maybe all we want is a domain that redirects directly to the TGR forum (with TGRs blessing)?
[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: SummitCo1776 ]
glademaster02
10-03-2003, 07:26 AM
I love the idea. Hopefully with the help of some web savy people there will soon be an all maggot stoke site. I'm not terribly good with web design, but I have a non-maggot friend who is, I'll talk to him about it.
Peace out,
Ben
bad_roo
10-03-2003, 07:32 AM
It will offer independence. As has been mentioned ad nauseum ONS is a gracious host and a killer not to be trifled with, but this is a TGR site. Whilst ONS would welcome stoke from other film makers etc it's doubtful they'd feel comfortable promoting their wares on a TGR site and this could lead to angst. What's more, if we had a site run by ourselves, it would remain run by us. What if ONS was to decide he needed to devote more time to running his other business operations or someone at TGR found a more cost effective way of hosting websites? Don't shoot me BTW.
Think back to the original concept behind PMGear - the independent think tank. That's what the new site could become with a range of bolt on extras that you want.
* How about biglines style picture hosting with no logos plastered over your pictures?
* How about an automated ebay trawler that sifted all the bargains of interest for your persual?
* How about a whole bunch of webcams that actually work alongside mountain weather forecasting all under one roof.
* Plus a bulletin board that's never going to disappear up its own ass and which is subtly configured for all of us who post rather than work. No big logos on the page, no sounds, no pop ups. Ever.
* Spots on the homepage highlighting talent, showreels etc
We've got some mad skills between us. We can make a better place and now is the time to do it. In a manner worthy of Pol Pot, Daniel has made this Year Zero. We need to start afresh from nothing. Think about it for a moment. This shouldn't be a hard sell.
[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: bad_roo ]
Karl Stall
10-03-2003, 08:21 AM
Werd Roo -
Well put - it's seems like a matter of execution, and we certainly have the talent amongst us (myself excluded).
This should be win-win for the community, for Chris Owens, and for Teton Gravity Research.
But we need to make something that will last...
Cornholio
10-03-2003, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by Cornholio:
<STRONG>I think this could be structured (I think) within the TGR site, like a community area. If you login, you get your own page of personalized links, news, snow reports, maybe airfares from the midwest, etc, Yahoo!-style.
I'd make it my homepage, fer sure.</STRONG>
duboix
10-03-2003, 09:58 AM
maggots, i'm with you!
personal pages would be great idea... and you can make it available only for those maggots who pay... something like www.livejournal.com (http://www.livejournal.com)
PS
this color scheme is really depressive :D
Summit
10-03-2003, 10:28 AM
scuzza posted
I have servers and bandwidth, but I don't have the time to run a website. I got a gig.
But if I could find a few Denver (or Eagle County) maggots that'd want to run the thing, I'd be happy to chip in servers and bandwidth.
http://forum.powdermag.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=022443
Hmm... that solves money problems...
[ October 03, 2003: Message edited by: SummitCo 1776 ]
snowsprite
10-03-2003, 10:49 AM
Hey, I can offer to do site updating and FTP stuff back n forth. I have some web design skilz...and would be happy to offer them up. So sign me up for the tech team.
:-)
Sprite
I say we split up in 3 groups.
1. tech
2. design
3. content
Since i've only seen one designer, I say we need one or 2 more. The techteam looks complete with the 4 to 5 guys who've offered help so far.
Content is somewhat more general. I think everyone should feel free to add content, but there might be a need for a couple of guys to keep thinking about the 'fixed' content (read : non-forum-related). Functional things like a photo-uploading system, etc.. In essence, the guys who make sure everyone's voice is heard when making decisions on what functions to add to the site.
As for the tech-stuff, I'm willing to make sure we get some serverspace (either @ tgr or somewhere else) in a short time, so we can get this show on the road and keep the momentum going.
Grange
10-03-2003, 11:08 AM
I find this incredible. For a bunch of people that bascially only know each other from the internet can come together and create such a tight knit community.
I admit when the original ski summit was first proposed I was skeptical that it would actually happen. I was dead wrong. When a new company was first proposed I was a still a little skeptical, but after the success of the summit I was a hopeful. Now the maggots want to create their own site. I must say that I believe it could happen.
Mulletizer
10-03-2003, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by BakerBoy:
[QB]I would like to give a big NO to www.powdermaggot.com (http://www.powdermaggot.com)
QB]
www.tffkapmdc.com? (http://www.tffkapmdc.com?)
The forum formerly known as powdermag dot com
We're gonna have a problem when we want to change that to the symbol :)
Schmear
10-03-2003, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by bad_roo:
<STRONG>In a manner worthy of Pol Pot,</STRONG>
Just preserving the first confirmed Pol Pot reference by a "maggot," or whatever we're called over here.
Telenater
10-03-2003, 12:35 PM
Nate’s list of needs from the board:
1. Board Topics to include; Chatter, Skis Swap, Tech talk, Teletalk, backcountry info, and Trip reports.
2. Picture posting without watermarking.
3. Video hosting.
4. Personal message capability
5. Chat.
List of nice features:
1. Personal page with buddy and contact list information
2. Public personal page that is customizable as a “Whois” feature
Supporting ideas
1. Make payment for the BB voluntary
2. Make picture and video hosting contingent on payment.
3. Utilize TGR’s generocity but, maintain a separate identity (get our own URL and have a link to TGR (maybe give away some picture hosting space with the purchase of a TGR flick. Maybe we could get some of the other movie companies to kick in a little schwag or cash in exchange for linking to their sites and maintaining active connections with them (jargon speak increase the extracommunity buy in).
4. See if we can’t schedule chat sessions with some of the “Rockstars”
What I can do:
1. I have some web design experience, but others have far more.
2. I do have access to a substantial library of topo and other spatial data that is collected from publicly available sources. So if we want maps made for any reason I would gladly volunteer my time and effort.
3. I’ll provide a small amount of money for start up costs (can’t really afford much, but I’ll give what I can).
Given recent developments, if we were to move to another site, i would like owens to be in charge of the bulletin boards and kevindineen and metcalf in charge of the general content.
splat
10-04-2003, 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by bad_roo:
<STRONG>In a manner worthy of Pol Pot,</STRONG>
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Originally posted by Schmear:
<STRONG>Just preserving the first confirmed Pol Pot reference by a "maggot," or whatever we're called over here.</STRONG>
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Gravitators?
Nice to see the wheels are in motion for a new home.
One logistical problem I can forsee:
During the ski season, who's gonna do the all the work on a skiing-related web site? A bunch of skiers? Yeah, right!
Workin' on a new site takes time, and that time would be spent in front of a 'puter instead of on the slopes.
I personally am fine with staying here @ TGR.
PS - Owens, I love the Detroit Tigers color scheme. :D
Cubano
10-04-2003, 10:36 PM
As I really don't want to say it, I think that I could do the HTML related stuff. Seeing as I'm in the Mid-Atlantic, shouldnt be many epic powder days :D AH, if you need somebody to post news or whatever contact me: ajanido at comcast dot net
DaveTV
10-04-2003, 10:51 PM
I humbly volunteer to help out..I am a mainframe programmer for $$, but have been to web development school and have some experience and knowledge to offer.
Cubano
10-04-2003, 11:44 PM
I also might be able to help with the design on the pages
I'm currently working on a new design for a dutch site, that has about the same content (we can work modular) and is forum based. www.skizone.nl/forum/index_new.php is the url. Almost everything on that site is dynamically generated (even the header-pictures), so it can easily be custom-fit.
If people like that, i could port stuff like that to a new site..
Cubano
10-05-2003, 10:59 AM
That design actually looks pretty efficient. All we need is a custom Banner and logo.
gonzo
10-05-2003, 11:32 AM
AH that looks sick. pull the motha fukin trigger.
wow.....u guys rock, its amazing that this can actually be pulled together....rock on
Pinner
10-05-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by Schmear
Just preserving the first confirmed Pol Pot reference by a "maggot," or whatever we're called over here.
That's a negative, ghostrider.
Not the first, but definitely the most recent. Confirmation? yeah right...
Dantheman
10-05-2003, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by AH
I'm currently working on a new design for a dutch site, that has about the same content (we can work modular) and is forum based. www.skizone.nl/forum/index_new.php is the url. Almost everything on that site is dynamically generated (even the header-pictures), so it can easily be custom-fit.
If people like that, i could port stuff like that to a new site..
Looks damn good to me, I say go for it.
As cool as owens and TGR have been I really don't think we can stay here. There's only the one forum here and with the volume of posts we generate we really need at least seperate chatter/techtalk/skiswap forums. I'm not a big fan of the content banner at the top of the page either.
EPSkis
10-06-2003, 08:36 AM
update: Tough weekend, and typical Monday. 5000 users wondering why their 'puters aren't working.
No go on the freebie hosting. When we looked at what would be required for storage & the speed required to facilitate it...It was just too much. We use that system for backup, as well as a ftp server. We can't risk putting too much of a load on it. Sorry, I tried to get the hookup!
Anywho - I'm still in for any assistance needed w/ design or maintenance.
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