New to Gimp Room (recent knee surgery) [Archive]

SPREAD EAGLE

03-05-2005, 08:11 PM

Hey Gimps,

Thanks to whomever pointed me to this room since I posted my ortho-surgery thread. I recently had patelar stabilization surgery 3-01-05 along with some scope cleaning for parts of my patella that were floating in my knee from past good times (skateboard, wakeboard, mtn. bike, MX, etc.) This is my first knee surgery and turned out better than the last prognosis of torn ACL which the DOC.
All that came of it was a scope and some reatached tendons to my patella so I was given 2-3 months of downtime to plan. Now into it 5 days and 20 movies later I hate this shit!!! I am too cross-eyed from drugs to read and I have the cold and hot sweats all the time. Good thing I am married because playing with myself would add a hell of alot of mental pain.

How are you mags

SPREAD EAGLE

03-08-2005, 07:40 PM

bump

WHOAH!!!

I was pretty messed up on Oxycodone when I wrote that...no wonder no one has replied.

Anyhoo, had my bandages taken off yesterday and my knee looks like a plump and juicy Florida grapefruit. I planned PT for tomorrow (first session), and hope to make the best of it.

How are the gimps getting along?

altagirl

03-08-2005, 08:00 PM

Heh - at least you were enjoying your painkillers!

What kind of rehab do you have in store now?

Arnold Babar

03-09-2005, 11:20 AM

I miss pain pills :( , but not the pain. Hit the rehab early and often, Spread. The little stuff you do in the beginning even though it seems useless, gets you back on track faster. Plus there is a confidence boost if you can surprise your Pt with getting ROM back early etc. Best of luck.

SPREAD EAGLE

03-11-2005, 07:34 PM

So my PT has been for the most part icing and electro-stimulation to reduce the swelling. My PT Kevin claims that the swelling is normal after Patellar Realignment surgery but right now it inhibits more active recouperation. For exercise I am doing quad-sets, which requires me to flex my left quad in order to stimulate movement in the kneecap. I am also doing straight leg raises that hurt behind my knee cap like a son-of-a-bitch. The hard part is getting my leg off of the ground to start. I usually need a helping hand to lift my heel up for the first couple in my sets of 10.

Today the brace was set to bend up to 60 degrees so that is my goal soon. Right now I can only bend the knee up to 20 and man is it still a fat grapefruit looking like thing. My leg and ankle are still very swollen

altagirl

03-11-2005, 08:49 PM

Re: all the swelling - Are you elevating it enough? By that I mean both time wise (i.e. 100% of the time unless you're going to the bathroom or something) and height wise - where you've got your knee up over your heart - not just up on a foot stool or end table or something. (I made that mistake my first time around - didn't elevate high enough and it swelled and bruised like crazy!) Of course, not knowing much of anything about what you had done - maybe a lot of swelling is normal. Icing a lot will help too -both for pain and swelling.

Keep it up at PT - sounds like a painful thing to go through, but good luck with it!

gonzo

03-11-2005, 08:50 PM

Dominate that shit! Full assimilation! No prisoners!

altachic

03-12-2005, 03:08 PM

Whoa, i didn't know you had surgery Christian! Yeah, that first post was somewhat unlike you, i laughed, hard!

Hope all is well, good luck with the PT, work hard!

SPREAD EAGLE

03-14-2005, 11:58 AM

thanks Altachic, you da friend!!!

Well I know I never stopped by when you went through knee hell but if you feel like doing some charity visits for a GIMP...stop on by. The wife and I would love to see you.

PS - I may have a ski free opp. for you if you take my wife :D
she needs some chic lessons.

SPREAD EAGLE

03-18-2005, 04:19 PM

Today at PT the tech let me know that they are behind with the outlined schedule to get my knee back on track. The prob is that my knee only bends to undesirable angle of 45 deg. and I have been given the go for 60 deg. So my session consisted of hellish bending and graphitational plyometrics in order to take me from 27 deg. to 45. Man is that a weird sensation to not be able to bend my leg. Any maggots have any stories to the likeness? I would like to hear.

Snow Ranger

03-18-2005, 04:31 PM

I've spent many painful hours bending my knee over the last few months. At first I couldn't bend it much but eventually I gained flexion and am about 4 degrees from where I started. The hellish part is you think that all of the sudden you will have full flex back but the reality for me has been that going from 138 degrees to 146 degrees is just as painful and discouraging as the initially bending from 45 degrees to 50. The key is to keep at it but don’t stress over it because eventually the flex will return. Reducing the swelling and making sure that your knee cap is loose will help. Also my best flex gains always happened after I washed a few pain pills down with an Optimator or two.

SPREAD EAGLE

03-20-2005, 03:38 PM

Right on Ranger. Truly 45-50 is going to be a bitch but worth the effort. Man if you are already past 130 are you biking yet? Full recovery?
Thanks for the words of confidence

Snow Ranger

03-21-2005, 09:07 AM

Yeah I've been biking a lot. If not for biking I would have gone completely insane with this rehab. Officially in one week and I can start running again and in about a month skiing.
I'm sure that I don't need to tell you but yesterday was sucky. Everyone I know went skiing, I wanted to go so bad. And, the forecast for this week looks really good... If ACL rehab didn't suck so bad I would risk it and go.
Oh I tried running last night that feels really strange my bad leg can't keep up with the good one.

Spread – How’s the flexion?

SPREAD EAGLE

03-22-2005, 10:03 AM

Flexion is ahead of schedule! After I heard that I was behind schedule and that there was an outlined progress report sheet monitoring this process, I kicked it in the ass and started bending the knee with plyometrics.

The doc monitored me at 60-70 and the PT confirmed with a solid 68. I feel good and I feel a drive now to get it to 90 and more. It's funny what a little glimpse of progress has done to motivate me but it keeps me going. I am going to be biking this summer so it's now or take longer to bend the motha into shape.

More stories please and motivating experiences.

Thanks Ranger and those who respond to this thread

Arnold Babar

03-22-2005, 07:42 PM

You asked for it so here: I'm almost there, got the go ahead to run, but it doesn't feel great. I am getting stronger, though, and have been biking whenever possible. For once, there is still a ton of snow here in S. New England, and the woods and trails are unridable :cussing: . So I bought a fixed gear road bike today, and it kicks ass. With no freewheel, your legs have to work constantly, and no gears means no granny on hills. This is going to get me over the hump. It seems like yesterday I was hobbling on crutches, and now I'm this close to normal. Keep at it, Spread, progress happens.

altagirl

03-22-2005, 08:18 PM

More stories please and motivating experiences.

I skied wonderful bottomless pow on Sunday (I'm right around 6 months post op now). Nothing too steep, and it was mostly on top of stuff that was groomed before the snow, but damn it felt fantastic. (my knee too ;) )

xboat

03-22-2005, 09:52 PM

3 weeks later and you can only bend to 68 degrees???

what the hell did they do in there? sounds painful.

SPREAD EAGLE

03-23-2005, 12:59 PM

Well xboat...I think I paid them to kick my trash (trash = lower half of body with left knee emphasis) legally under coma inducing gases used by a licensed drug handler. or I had my knee cap put back in place with a lateral release freeing up the opposite side for optimal placement of femoral anchor. This is known as patellar re-alignment or stabilization surgery.

My PT let me know that it can be more difficult than ACL recovery as far as bending is concerned but I will be able to support more weight faster.

COME ON 90 degrees!!!!!

xboat

03-23-2005, 08:26 PM

hey man, i wish you nothing but the best of luck. +++

SPREAD EAGLE

03-24-2005, 07:37 AM

90, 90, 90 damn yesterday I could only get into the high 70's.
I must work this motha over!!!! Bend knee bend!!

SPREAD EAGLE

03-26-2005, 08:22 PM

Friday I was able to bend my knee 90 deg. and damn did it hurt. Good thang I popped a lortab before the hellish bending. The schedule is definetly set and I will be at 110 deg. in less than two weeks. I MUST BIKE even if it means starting out on the stationary.

Thanks for your comments mags

altagirl

03-26-2005, 08:35 PM

I MUST BIKE even if it means starting out on the stationary.

Um... were you considering something else? I can't imagine trying to start on a regular bike when you're at the stage when you can't even get a rotation yet on a stationary bike...

Tyrone Shoelaces

03-26-2005, 11:43 PM

I MUST BIKE even if it means starting out on the stationary.

To add to what altagirl said....yeah, you pretty much have to start out on a stationary bike. In fact, expect to sit on that sucker, gently rocking the pedals back and forth as you hit your flexion / extension limits without even being able to pedal full circle.

This was my experience anyway. I'd sit in my garage, with my road bike on the trainer, pedal forward to about 3'oclock, feel the pain, try to stretch it out and push it as much as I could stand, then pedal backwards to 6'oclock, and do the same and on and on and on. I did this until I could withstand the pain enough to get my knee able pedal backwards a full rotation. For some reason, getting around fully going backwards was easier than forwards. So I worked on backwards pedaling for about a week, and then I was able to get around going forwards. And even when I finally got the pedal all the way over the top going forward, I had to cheat because I had to slide my hips way off the saddle to give me knee enough clearance to get around. It took another week or so of keeping steadily at until I could pedal forwards, with a somewhat "normal" stroke, and a decent cadence.

I wouldn't get outside on a real bike until you can pedal normally on a stationarly with little discomfort, and your orthopod/PT has cleared you for riding outside.

Just keep at it. Don't get discouraged. Everyone progresses at different rates, but as long as keep at it and work consistently toward your goals, you will get there. Just take it one step at a time.

basom

03-27-2005, 10:30 AM

man, i was at 100-110 degrees of flextion by the time i went in for my first post op check up 10 days after my surgery.

i just had straight PT graft, and went home with a CPM machine. i was fully extended, even about 3 dreees hyper within two days, and slowly ramped the flexion up 10 degrees every day.

i talked to kellie last night and it seems she didn't have CPM either. i,know there are obviously different schools of thought on it, but i really belive this helped me get mobile faster.

good luck spread, keep focuing, keep pushing it! time is all it takes.

Arnold Babar

03-27-2005, 09:23 PM

Stationary first, see Ty's post. Work into it. Progress happens, but in increments. Speed is irrelevant. One step at a time. There is no other way. Keep at it. Be cool. Every thing is cool.

SPREAD EAGLE

03-28-2005, 09:32 AM

I knew the stationary would be first, it is just my entire goal though to get on that mountain bike and ride, ride, ride. I know it will get here soon enough.
I have talked to my PT about an article I read in Mountain Bike Action Mag. IT talked about a chic who pedaled with one leg on a stationary and the workout benefited both legs. This was confirmed and will be my part of my new regiment in PT today!!! Thank God for stationary bikes :biggrin:
Somehow the nerves and balance used for one leg transfers strength to the other. Anyone want to comment on this?

SPREAD EAGLE

03-28-2005, 02:24 PM

PT today measured bending to 100 deg. in my knee. Now it is on for 10 deg. every other day. 120 by FRIDAY :FIREdevil will be fun with lots of :cussing: but the Stationary is waiting for me. I was able to pedal (right only) for 5 min. and felt the burn in my leg and increase in my heartrate. I can't wait to use two. :cool:

Kellie

03-28-2005, 05:43 PM

SPREAD EAGLE

03-31-2005, 01:36 PM

Not too toot the horn too much but man I am gaining some much needed flexibility rapidly. Today I was able work my knee to 110 deg. on my own and the PT gave me another 5 with one good pull taking my bending to 115 deg. They said they wouldn't be impressed unless I could do 120 by tomorrow (friday). Here comes the pain :FIREdevil !!!

Mountain Bike, Mountain Bike, Mountain Bike,...shit!!!, Mountain Bike, Moun...

grizzle6

03-31-2005, 03:57 PM

Yo Spread--sorry to hear about your injury. That's never fun bro. I can recall many a night riding the stationary bike watching old Scot Schmidt vids (this would be circa 1994). What a pimp!!! Keep up the good attitude and hard work!!

SPREAD EAGLE

04-05-2005, 12:47 PM

Oops! been in south ootah getting some much needed sun.

Well, I hit the mark last friday bending a hell induced 125 deg. with my PT sporting a shit-eating grin from bending my knee till I yelled [masochist].

Yesterday (monday) I was only able to get 130 with help again. I guess the sun from San Jorge increased my swelling.

I must accomplish 130 on my own before tomorrow (aaarrrrrgggg :FIREdevil )

Snow Ranger

04-05-2005, 01:52 PM

nice. just give it some time. last week musta been nice down south. I still get a kick outa driving past Holden,Fillmore,Beaver.

SPREAD EAGLE

04-08-2005, 05:03 PM

Today my PT added some leg presses (70 lbs) and standing toe/heel raises. This knee is coming back schweet!!!!
I tried to get out of the bending with the PT and then he yanked it to a ripe 140 deg. I didn't cry but relieved the pressure with a couple of "F" Bombs :biggrin: .

Next week I'm able to use 75% body weight and then after that 100%.

Anyone have a tale or story about getting back to it once you were able to use your leg again without crutches? I would like some info. and good motivating stories. THANKS MAGS!!!

:yourock: ROCKin' IT!

Kellie

04-09-2005, 09:52 AM

Congrats on your progress! With 110 you should be using two legs on the bike, no?!?!

I'm at 120 naturally and have just set up my roadie on the trainer in my living room (thanks to Mr. Tyrone Shoelaces' generosity!) and am looking forward to many an hour pedalling toward my t.v. . . . yesterday I had the HR up and was sweating for the first time in awhile - felt incredible . . . and then I was exhausted!!! I think in a week or two, I'm gonna hit the road, Jack, and I think that will be the ultimate sweetness!

SPREAD EAGLE

04-09-2005, 10:05 AM

May the road be your avenue to happiness. Well, I technically can pedal but I am non-weight bearing for two more weeks. Next week 75% then after that 100%. The bike has been my whole drive through PT and still is. Also, I hope to use my BIRD PASS in July because THEY WILL BE OPEN through the summer.
Kellie you're killin it!!!

SPREAD EAGLE

04-11-2005, 04:46 PM

This knee is re-habing itself - fine, just fine!!

Today I rode the stationary for 10 minutes with both legs and man am I happy. Riding with 0 resistance my knee gave me no problems, enjoying aerobic exercise once again. Now I am setting up my MTN BIKE in the house on a work out stand. Happy times are here again.

My goal to ski in July is coming along nicely - but first things first with the mtn. bike. PT RULES!!

Snow Ranger

04-12-2005, 10:53 AM

[QUOTE=SPREAD EAGLE]

Anyone have a tale or story about getting back to it once you were able to use your leg again without crutches? I would like some info. and good motivating stories. THANKS MAGS!!!

1 day after the Dr. told me to throw out the crutches I hiked on snowshoes, using ski poles for balance to the Diamond Fork Hot Springs. I think its about 1-1.5 miles one way? It seemed like it took me 2 hours to make it but I did and after being on crutches for 6 weeks it felt so good being out in the mountains hiking around.

Big E

04-12-2005, 01:06 PM

altagirl

04-12-2005, 03:23 PM

Just wait until you get out on the regular bike and go to stand up and pedal and nothing happens. Really a bizarre feeling. Your brain is telling you leg to crank down and your leg just comes back with "'scuse me?"

Yup. Just this really strange... uh... why doesn't this work? Took like 5 minutes and it felt fine, but for some reason that was one of those movements my body seemed to totally draw a blank on.

Snow Ranger

04-12-2005, 05:50 PM

Just wait until you get out on the regular bike and go to stand up and pedal and nothing happens. Really a bizarre feeling. Your brain is telling you leg to crank down and your leg just comes back with "'scuse me?"

hmmm, weird I had no problem with that while biking but when I first tried to run i def. felt a similiar sensation.

SPREAD EAGLE

04-12-2005, 08:01 PM

Well I am sorta expecting the same but hope the home training will make that a smooth transition. Tomorrow I see the surgeon for my 6 week exam. I am stoked and hope to present this knee if fine shape.

Now all of you who talked about slow transitions, were you able to get back 100%??? I take that as a yes since you didn't say otherwise.

THANKS

marshalolson

04-15-2005, 10:12 PM

good luck @ the DR's... how did it go?

SPREAD EAGLE

04-18-2005, 09:03 PM

Doc was happy PT is great with new exercises and increased weights, reps every week. Yesterday (sunday) I hiked up Suicide rock with wife and friends for a little picnic. I felt strong but know I shouldn't push it. Man is it hard to hold back at this stage.
I have tentatively scheduled a 4 day backpacking trip for the end of june or early july. Hiking the Paria river canyon wilderness area. This should be a good goal to get back after it once my second 6 weeks have passed and I get the go ahead. Bending to 140 on my own.

SCHWEET!!!!