View Full Version : Full tilt questions
02-17-2012, 03:46 AM
Aaaargh ... i've been struggling with which full tilts to buy.
I am coming from a set of Salomon Gun labs from a few years ago in 28.5.
I have tried the seth and first chair and found the fit a little confusing. i can fit fine into the 28 and 28.5 plus the softer footbed in the seth makes it feel even roomier which i'm not in love with.
has anyone else moved from this type of salomon boot to a full tilt ? did you stay in the same mondo size or did you have to move down a size to get the fit you wanted. i was wondering whether i stick to the 28.5 or move to the 28 to get the extra liner fill? (the joy of internet purchasing of boots)
02-17-2012, 06:49 AM
Are you checking your fit with or without the liners? You really need to just forget about the liners and figure out if the shell fits. Testing your fit in Full Tilts with unbaked liners is full of fail.
02-17-2012, 07:09 AM
Skiied Salomon yellow ten boot from 2003/2004 and then tried other overlaps. Went to full tilt and love them. But shell fit with liners out and should be one finger behind heel. I like using chapstick to measure spacing
02-17-2012, 07:11 AM
both 28.0 and 28.5 are the same shell so will fit the same long term anyways, so doesn't matter what you order. most people are dropping a size in FT. so might be worth trying a 27 shell too?
02-17-2012, 08:23 AM
I dropped from a 28 to 27 and once the liner was heated the sizing was perfect. Running the First Chair, and they're bomber
02-17-2012, 08:45 AM
Are you checking your fit with or without the liners? You really need to just forget about the liners and figure out if the shell fits.
But shell fit with liners out and should be one finger behind heel.
I was using a Salomon x-wave boot (similar look, not sure if they're a similar fit) with green Superfeet in a 27 that felt fantastic for the first 25-30 ski days. Then the liners packed out and my feet were swimming in those boots so I cranked the buckles down, which was torture. Probably should have been in a 26 but in the store that felt too small, my toes were jammed in there.
Switched to a Full Tilt Bumble Bee Pro in a 26 the first year they were available. Had the liners baked and skied them about 10 days, wasn't too happy with the feel because the liners were rigid, not plush like the Salomons. I went to a bootfitter and had Instaprint footbeds made and the liners re-baked. Skied with them for another 10 days to kind of break them in, and they've been perfect. Switched the tongue from a six to an eight and replaced the velcro strap with a booster, which really smooths out the flex. Used them about 100 days since then and they still fit like a glove while comfortable like slippers.
02-17-2012, 09:38 AM
I really wanted to get full-tilts but a very reputable boot fitter in Vancover took one look at my shoeless foot and said no way is that boot going to work on your foot ...forget it
02-17-2012, 12:06 PM
I would recommend skiing the full tilts for a few days before heat molding them, they are only about half intution foam - the regular foam in them will pack out a little bit.
02-17-2012, 12:50 PM
So.......I'm skiing a 28.5 Salomon shell. What size in the FT?
Side note: I dropped into a Surefoot at KMart just to try on a boot, any model, just to get my size down(since they're one of the few dealers in the east). They didn't have my size (didn't have shit, really) and after their fancy dancy fit "scan", the dude told me I should be in a 31. I walked out after they told me whatever they order is mine, no refund. I don't trust those fuckers much at all.
02-17-2012, 12:57 PM
Great thread, I am on the same trip, same week!
I have packed out x-waves (28.5) and went to power-wraps. They are good for half a day and I have to crank the buckles and booster straps.
Looking at the first chairs, going for a shell fit soon.
Really looking forward to new boots.
02-17-2012, 01:11 PM
I've decided to wait until next October to do this, since that's when the new production goes out to the stores. They don't run a lot of boots, which was a lucky / wise move this year. My boots will last til the end of this year.
02-17-2012, 10:47 PM
Benny the Kmarts where you live have Surefoots in them? Where the hell do you live? The LBFM Philippino chicks cashiering at our local kmart can't even make correct change let alone do a shell fit or bake a liner!
02-18-2012, 06:44 AM
Kmart is like slang for Killington.
there is a surefoot on the Kmart access road.
i also made the move from a 'slam-on' to a FT First Chair this season.
i found that the 'ten' tongue was too stiff at 170lbs.
threw an 'eight' in, and i don't think i'll ever ski in an two piece overlap again.
i have never felt more athletic than i do now. i can really work my ankle's and make small, crucial adjustments.
plus, they are both super warm and wicked comfortable.
kicking myself for not making the move sooner.
i've always been in a 26.5, 305 bsl
stayed with a 26.5 in the FT's however the bsl dropped to a 301.
they fit great.
02-18-2012, 06:29 PM
I went one size down when changing from xwave to full tilt konflict.
02-18-2012, 09:12 PM
Kmart is like slang for Killington. there is a surefoot on the Kmart access road.
Ah!....I knew that!:fmicon:
I am tilting towards first chairs as well, will report my findings and hope they fit or I have to go in another direction.
02-19-2012, 01:04 AM
i found that the 'ten' tongue was too stiff at 170lbs.
threw an 'eight' in, and i don't think i'll ever ski in an two piece overlap again. Unlike typical TGR dick measuring, I agree that stiffer isn't necessarily better for everybody, be it skis or boots. But FWIW, I'm 165 and find the #8 a little soft, even with a booster strap. Bought a pair of #10s instead. I'm sure there are those who are my size and would prefer the #6 even. So point is each person will need to see which flex works best for you, regardless of your weight. /soapbox
02-19-2012, 04:47 AM
But that's the beauty in the Flexon/Full Tilt design - you can easily change the forward flex stiffness in seconds by swapping out the tongues. Of course the Krypton can do this too, but it's easier on the Flexon.
Since the stiffness is also affected by air temp, you can swap tongues depending on the weather on the mountain. Until we're all skiing in carbon shells (or some other material unaffected by temp) this is the best solution available.
03-28-2012, 07:11 PM
I picked up a pair of First Chairs at a great price.
Did anyone put a footbed in their's? The Intuition thread implies that they aren't necessary. Mine are fairly tight around the toes without beds before heating. Will heating blow that out?
03-28-2012, 08:12 PM
use a footbed if
1) it feels better
2) you have room
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