MoonLander

[scottyb]

fat just got fatter

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6089/6077012877_bf97f4d53f_b.jpg

[scottyb]

yeah those are thumb shifters

http://www.surlybikes.com/blog/

[nickwm21]

The orge is cool too...

[willmtbike4food]

It's their new Marge Lite rim that has me excited.

[ectreeskier11]

that's the gayest thing i have ever seen.

[ectreeskier11]

nttiawwt

[scottyb]

It's their new Marge Lite rim that has me excited.


Me too, I am getting the BFL and the Nate tires. Looking to do a wheel build next year based on the Marge Lite hoops. Many good things coming soon for Fat bikers. Lot of folks are stoked about the clown shoe hoops.

[willmtbike4food]

I'm definitely wanting to see a Nate in person - some of the other guys at the shop are really excited about them, so can't wait to get to try 'em out without having to pay for them... Also looking forwards to lots of fat bike goodies at this year's Gnome Fest, too.

[stuckathuntermtn]

People actually ride those things?
And steel frames. Awesome. If you scratch it, it rusts.

[RaccoonFace]

Is that bigger than the Pugsley?

okbye

[Dromond]

That thing looks slower than a unicycle.

[Ripzalot]

if you fill the tires with water, you'll get great traction in sand.

[scottyb]

Is that bigger than the Pugsley?

okbye


Pugs stock is on 3.8 tires, ML is sporting the new 4.7 rubber. The Pugs can fit the new BFL.

On a side note the troll replies on TGR is really lame these days. You guys can do better than that. ;-)

[bagtagley]

And steel frames. Awesome. If you scratch it, it rusts.

http://www.wetheundereducated.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/NotSureIfSerious.png

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

it looks absolutely ridiculous, but I kind of want to ride one. I think it would be hilariously fun.

[brice618]

People actually ride those things?
And steel frames. Awesome. If you scratch it, it rusts.

Damn it, you are dumb.

[Conundrum]

it looks absolutely ridiculous, but I kind of want to ride one. I think it would be hilariously fun.

Word. I have thoughts of setting up ghetto tubeless and track stand climbing over anything. Not that I could...but it would be pretty cool.

[Ripzalot]

On a side note the troll replies on TGR is really lame these days. You guys can do better than that. ;-)
well, i was hoping at least one person would get a MST3K reference. /nerd

[stuckathuntermtn]

Ok, guess I'm wrong about the rust thing.
But it's still ludicrous speed dumb.

[Wandrin*]

OK, I am really slow. Other than deep, dry sand or snow, what's the point? What does this bike do (other than those two things) that a short-travel FS can't do just as well for probably less perceived weight?

[AKbruin]

If I were single (read: had more $$$ to spend on myself) and it were flatter where I lived, I'd happily own a bike like that. It would probably be the 4th or 5th bike in the stable, but why not. It looks fun. I wonder if I could shuttle my local 3-mile downhill-ish run in the winter/spring with it?

[lph]

Forest Service guy in south lake has a Pugsly. when he goes to work on local tries he rides it, as a singlespeed.

i don't know, looks like it would be fun to try.

[rotorhead]

Forest Service guy in south lake has a Pugsly. when he goes to work on local tries he rides it, as a singlespeed.

i don't know, looks like it would be fun to try.

Saw him slogging up corral on that thing. looks like it would be a hoot to ride after a couple cocktails. Kind of like training wheels.

[scottyb]

Fat bikes are fun. They will make you laugh wildly as you apply gobbs of torque and traction. I would not do one SS but different strokes for different folks.

[Chaka]

if I had more disposable income, I agree with tyrone and AKB... why not? Looks really fun, would be a great way to mix it up a bit.

[lph]

Fat bikes are fun. They will make you laugh wildly as you apply gobbs of torque and traction. I would not do one SS but different strokes for different folks.

kind of interesting, if i remember, he has it set up with both wheels having a single speed hub, with different rings. he can swap them out depending on where/what he is riding and how he wants it geared. he raves about it. absolutely loves it.

I can absolutely see owning a moonlander for fun and change of pace, and a great way to take the dogs for winter walks through woods cause i hate XC Skiing! :)

[scottyb]

What some do is go with the IGH or internal geared hub for the a range of gears. This seems to work well for folks on the coast who are doing more beach/dune riding.

For me I prefer to have more gears and run a 2x9 with a bash. I find that I use the lower gears the most for the mixed terrain I ride. When I do get it up to speed the gyro effect, of the wheels, has a stability all its own.

If your thinking about a fat bike, demo one, they are not for everyone. The grins per mile can be incredible. Remember the tire pressure will have a large effect, one psi up or down can make or break a ride.

Add a pack raft or thrillseeker(IK) for water transport and your adventure portfolio just got way bigger. :wink:

[willmtbike4food]

Got to roll around the block on a pair of the new Black Floyds (120 tpi) mounted on Vicious Fat Sheeba's on a Mukluk the other day. They really wanted to go straight - had to fight the steering a bit, especially at lower speeds. Didn't get the opportunity to mess with tire pressure to see if it could be remedied. The tires had a very tall crown - have to wonder if a wider rim like the Clownshoe would flatten it out and mitigate some of the effects. Or maybe it'd make things worse?

We have a set of the Nates in stock as well - they haven't been mounted up yet, but holy cow they're meaty. I was initially really excited about them. I haven't been able to ride them yet, and don't know anyone who has, but I can't quite figure out a use for them. Except maybe some singletrack with a Nate up front, and a well-worn Endomorph in the back. Along similar lines though, I'm in the process of building a Mukluk for myself, and for singletrack uses I'm thinking a well-worn Endomorph for a front, and a Black Floyd as a rear...

[gravitylover]

I have the Q rep pushing me to get one. He may have me convinced.

[TeleThor]

I think fat bikes look fun. But I'm not a DH bomber...

As scottyb said... add a packraft and go explore Alaska. Not sure if this has been posted here yet. Some guys posted this on MTBR a couple months ago.
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[kidwoo]

Give me a half mile to start the bouncing cycle and I promise I could bunny hop my house by the time I got there. Anyone who thinks that bike doesn't look fun just hates life. 4 inches of undamped suspension is ALWAYS a good time.

[lph]

I don't know, I got 1:30 into that video and was so utterly bored I started to think that it was wrong to want a moonlander.

[kidwoo]

Yeah but they're doing it wrong.

Needs whiskey, a tutu and a high jump.

[TeleThor]

I agree that the video above is not for those without attention spans... Chill out and enjoy the scenery. :wink:

[flowtron's ghost]

Fat bikes are super fun. I was cackling after about 2 pedal strokes on the Surly test track last feb.

I'm definitely taking a Pug or a Moonlander for a rip next week at Bootleg.

[lph]

Fat bikes are super fun. I was cackling after about 2 pedal strokes on the Surly test track last feb.

I'm definitely taking a Pug or a Moonlander for a rip next week at Bootleg.

Nice. Think they will let you shuttle it to the top for one of the rockier trails? if so, interested to hear what you think.

[flatlander#2]

There were probably a dozen at the 24hrs of Sage. You'd think oh those must suck, then get to sandy sections and see their perfect tire print rolled across and regular tires dug in. One dude rolled a wheelie probably 50 yards one handed, it wasn't Parvo. They do look like a big ship of good times in the right situation.

[toast2266]

Those things seem like they'd be really fun in a "drunk and fucking around" kind of way. It's a hefty investment for that sort of bike though. From my experience, the only people that actually own them are either 1) attention whores; 2) looking for an excuse for being really slow on trail rides; or 3) both 1 and 2.

[lph]

toast, i don't know. in a place like tahoe where if the skiing isn't great, it usually sucks AND we have a ton of sunshine AND i hate XC skiing/snowshoeing AND i need to still get my dogs exercise in the winter..... I think it could be fun and worthwhile.

plus, i don't need any new excuses to be slow on trail rides, I already have a pretty complete list taped to the bars on my bike that I use when I fall behind. someday I hope to have them memorized. ;)

[toast2266]

toast, i don't know. in a place like tahoe where if the skiing isn't great, it usually sucks AND we have a ton of sunshine AND i hate XC skiing/snowshoeing AND i need to still get my dogs exercise in the winter..... I think it could be fun and worthwhile.


I totally agree that, in theory, they should work pretty well for riding on snow. My actual experience has been that they only work on snow when its extremely sun crusted, and its a rare person that actually does much riding on snow in conditions where that bike works well.

But if someone owned one of those bikes and actually went on real rides in snow or sand with enough frequency to warrant owning the bike, I'd think it was awesome. I'm not hating on the bike, I'm more hating on the fad of owning a ridiculous bike just for the sake of being ridiculous.

Pugsleys are the new fixed gear.

[shirk]

I wonder how one would work for accessing a trail building project. Huge amounts of traction and then put MEGA low 20x36 gearing on it. Climb up your work in progress trail, then when done working bomb on down. It would have to be faster than walking in and walking out.

A rack for hauling in supplies. Set up the riding position all for climbing.

[shirk]

But if someone owned one of those bikes and actually went on real rides in snow or sand with enough frequency to warrant owning the bike, I'd think it was awesome.

There is a crew of guys in Whitehorse Yukon that ride singletrack all winter on those beasts. Once the singletrack is packed down apparently they rip. Sure riding dirt singletrack in summer will be faster, but it allows these guys to ride in winter. I suspect that they like lph really dislike xc skiing.

[scottyb]

been raining for a week here but cleared up yesterday and got a ride on the new meats



https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-bSoO5BQCQcU/TmvcroU5hjI/AAAAAAAAIaQ/JdUwBEMd_TQ/s800/IMG_20110910_155059.jpg

[creaky fossil]

Scotty never fails to find a reason to brag on his disposable income and excessive warehouse of gear that gets used sparingly.

Well done master! Show the serfs who's boss!

[Conundrum]

^^^^^ Judging by the cranks in that pic, he's probably doesn't even have a hundred miles on that bike.

[scottyb]

Scotty never fails to find a reason to brag on his disposable income and excessive warehouse of gear that gets used sparingly.

Well done master! Show the serfs who's boss!


With an attitude like that the universe will undoubtedly bring you more of what you ask for.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-VEP1s7L9lLQ/TmvctgDCNRI/AAAAAAAAIac/QrUvxfGOOaE/s800/IMG_20110910_161104.jpg

Close observers will notice the kayaker surfing the wave in the background and the remaining finish on the "<100 mile cranks".

[willmtbike4food]

Does the Nate squirm on hard surfaces? And it looks like you have the original Large Marge rims - how much clearance with the BFL tire is there at the chainstays (could it be done on a Fat Sheeba/Darryl/Clownshoe)? How many gears do you lose compared to an Endomorph or (regular) Larry?

[lph]

You put a suspension fork on the pugs? huh.

how do you like it versus riding as a rigid frame bike?

[scottyb]

Does the Nate squirm on hard surfaces? And it looks like you have the original Large Marge rims - how much clearance with the BFL tire is there at the chainstays (could it be done on a Fat Sheeba/Darryl/Clownshoe)? How many gears do you lose compared to an Endomorph or (regular) Larry?


The Nate does squirm some on hard surfaces, noticeable but not bad. Hope to get it into more single track this week. I do have the 65mm large marge rims. There is just enough clearance on the BFL/LM combo to work, had to tweak the front derailluer out some with the stop and lost no gears front or rear, 2x9. A wider rim may work but I do not have one to try on my Pugs.

[scottyb]

You put a suspension fork on the pugs? huh.

how do you like it versus riding as a rigid frame bike?

Well, for the rough single track we have around these parts it helps a lot, with the 29" bumpers installed the 2 1/2" of travel is just right with such a big tire. The Mav SC 32 can get "noodly" with all that centrifugal weight at times but this rig is not meant for high speed. That said I will be putting the rigid fork back on for winter snow riding.

Being an "older" rider I really appreciate the squish afforded by the SC 32 and the Thud Buster, it allows me to spend more time/distance in the saddle with out the pain penalty later. Hope that helps.

[Sirshredalot]

Well, for the rough single track we have around these parts it helps a lot, with the 29" bumpers installed the 2 1/2" of travel is just right with such a big tire. The Mav SC 32 can get "noodly" with all that centrifugal weight at times but this rig is not meant for high speed. That said I will be putting the rigid fork back on for winter snow riding.

Being an "older" rider I really appreciate the squish afforded by the SC 32 and the Thud Buster, it allows me to spend more time/distance in the saddle with out the pain penalty later. Hope that helps.


Dude, I got an easy and non-obnoxious question: me and the misses owe you a 6er. Mind if we take it for a spin when we deliver?

[scottyb]

Dude, I got an easy and non-obnoxious question: me and the misses owe you a 6er. Mind if we take it for a spin when we deliver?

Oh, hey whats up? You and Ms Shred sure can take it for a spin. Its a large frame so it might be a tad big but the smiles are just as big.

Will probably be up in the Shed or Sfarms Wed and Thurs.

[Roxtar]

I don't get all the hate here.
This is TGR, is not bigger/wider the maggot mantra?

If you can't see the coolness & possibilities in that bike you have no soul.

[Wandrin*]

Not drinking the Kool-Aid != hate

I have never owned a fixie or worn my pants around my thighs, either, so I guess I have no soul.

[flowtron's ghost]

I rode the Moonlander for a few laps on Tuesday. It was so fucking fun. Its kind of funny because it makes the Pugsley seem practical. I have a few pictures that I'm trying to get off my phone right now, but its not cooperating.

[Roxtar]

Not drinking the Kool-Aid != hate

I have never owned a fixie or worn my pants around my thighs, either, so I guess I have no soul.And you probably see no point in building 140mm wide skis.

[flowtron's ghost]

Shredding the mini bmx course at Bootleg.

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[lph]

Phuck the haters! I want one. This winter one will be mine! :)

[Wandrin*]

If the Moonlander paradigm becomes as widely adopted as fat skis (like my 120+ daily driver) I will eat one of those big tires.

So far the argument for a bike like that has been, "it's rad, dude" and "you are a loser unless you buy one". So far, so good.


And you probably see no point in building 140mm wide skis.

[Roxtar]

If the Moonlander paradigm becomes as widely adopted as fat skis (like my 120+ daily driver) I will eat one of those big tires.

So far the argument for a bike like that has been, "it's rad, dude" and "you are a loser unless you buy one". So far, so good.No one is saying everyone should go out and buy one.
Just don't go the opposite way and act like it's just a stupid concept and has no reason to exist.

[Wandrin*]

You obviously read way more into what I write than what is there and/or aren't really reading it. I have only been asking about why these things are cool for people, not telling them not to ride them. I even responded to you that I am not hating on them and you still say that I am.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder.

[Buzzworthy]

Wait, is this what I NEED to be a rad fantastic rider?
I tried Michael Jordan shoes way back when and did not jump higher.

Kinda looks retarded really. Sure, I would ride one if given the chance, but looks like another attempt to just be different and cool. And make people buy really expensive tires.

I want to see a bike I can ride on trail and when I come up on a lake I want to ride right across it!

BUT, I do want video of Wandrin eating that tire!!!


And yes, I hate, I'm a hater, God forbid anyone voices opinions here, oh, yeah, wait.......yup, checked the URL and I AM actually on TGR!

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[Roxtar]

Jesus people, shake the sand out.
I was referring to the "that's the gayest thing I've ever..." and "What's the point..." type comments. Basically saying what a stupid idea it is.
Perhaps you're too gnarly to imagine a bike you wouldn't huck cliffs with.

There are some very cool rides that would be awesome on this bike (the video above shows one of the coolest trips I've ever seen and probably couldn't be done on anything but something like this). Like superwide skis, it's value is limited, but under the right conditions, nothing else can match it.

And yes, you can have an opinion, but you don't have to be a tool about it. :nonono2:

[JoshP]

I am not sure why, but I think that a bike like that would be just freaking fun as shit to rip down the 18 road trails, especially Kessel Run.

Maybe it would be the worst thing ever. I don't know.

[Arty50]

Phuck the haters! I want one. This winter one will be mine! :)

Why wait until winter? Call me crazy, but I'm thinking that thing would be really, really fun on Corral when it's all beat up and super sandy.

[flowtron's ghost]

Fun as shit. You should hear the sound it makes when mobbing. Awesome-o.

This thread has really taken a weird turn. Its a fun fucking bike. Bikes are supposed to be fun right? Nobody is saying that fat bikes are the new 29er or even the new hipster bike, thats absurd. Its just something different. Something that can be ridden in places and conditions that you can't ride a normal bike. On dry trails they are just fucking fun and goofy. I want to take one for a rip at Buff Creek, summer or winter, doesn't matter.

If you ride one and don't start giggling within 50 feet, you should probably pursue a career in triathalon.

[marshalolson]

dear flowtron,

please make sure that you get one in the demo fleet

signed,
the entire city of denver

[flowtron's ghost]

We will hopefully have one to touch and feel at our Another Bike Party on Sept 22nd. And beer to drink. And shit to win.

[mntlion]

any of the big companies making a fat/snow bike?

[scottyb]

I guess that depends on what you call big? Surly, Salsa, Sandman, Fatback, maybe not big in numbers. On one and others are designing and testing proto bikes as I type.

Its not everyone's cup of tea but they sure are fun.

Not only are they fun but multi sport expedition trips or "backcountry tours" are possible.

There is a lot of new possibilities in fat bikes right now and that kind of thing gets people stoked.

[willmtbike4food]

any of the big companies making a fat/snow bike?


So far no large manufacturers on board. I think part of the problem is that there are very limited choices for tires - there are options that have the Surly brand on the side (which would be a competing brand for any other manufacturer of the bikes - kinda like a Specialized tire on a Trek bike or vice versa - no matter how nice you think the combination would be, it'll be a cold day when you see one manufacturer spec a bike with their competitor's tires. Yes, there is the Innova Spider tire, but what a joke. No reason to spec that on any bike.

A big step in the right direction is the new 45 North brand QBP is introducing. They have a tire (the Husker Du) that is labeled with a brand that so far, doesn't have a frame attached to it - despite having the same parent company as Surly & Salsa. I've gotta imagine a large manufacturer is a lot more likely to build a bike that would accept those uber-wide tires when they don't blatantly have their competitor's name on them.

http://gearjunkie.com/images/6600.jpg

On a somewhat related note, saw some pictures of the new Salsa frame bags - looks like Revelate Designs is helping out with them. Awesome.

[Particle]

If we have another snownuclear winter like they're saying this year, I'd love something like this to ride shoreline trails in the snow with... looks hilariously awesome.

[Dickeymotto]

If we have another snownuclear winter like they're saying this year, I'd love something like this to ride shoreline trails in the snow with... looks hilariously awesome.

It's a good way to make the shoreline actually fun. I rode the Ogden shoreline last winter on a borrowed Pugsley. It was a blast. Hitting corners with any kind of speed and locking the rear to drift corners was really cool.

BTW, anybody use a 29er HT as a snow bike? I can't afford a fat bike at this time, but would like to do some riding this winter.

[Lord_Barnyard]

Just wanted to add my two cents worth.
I turned 50 years of age last February and to fulfill the obligatory "midlife crisis" took possession of a new Salsa Mukluk one week before my birthday. It was indeed cheaper than other midlife crisis toys [a Porche perhaps].
I am blessed in that I live about two hundred feet from approx 200 kilometers of single track trails that crisscross and meander through a protected forest / wetland area. The trails are used by bikers, hikers, cross country skiers, snow shoe'rs and dog walkers. The resulting snow pack-down is superb for winter riding.
I have found that a temperature of between -7 degrees Celsius [I am Canadian] and -15 C is awesome. The grip between the snow and the very soft [5 - 7 PSI] tires is incredible and it is sooooo much fun being able to tip the bike over on its edge while ripping through the woods [with lighting systems in the dark after work].
After a winter spent on the bike [and looking very much forward to the coming winter] I spent the entire month of August ripping these very trails on the 'fat bike" with increased tire pressures [i.e. 20 PSI - 30 PSI made it to choppy and bouncy] and found it to be incredibly fun and soft underfoot. The bike behaved very well and I went for group rides every Tuesday night and had no difficulties keeping up.
Some of the greatest fun I had while touring around on the bike was parking it somewhere people congregate and hanging out beside it to wait for the inevitable "stoooooopid" comments, especially from non-bikers. This lent me hours of quiet guffaws at their expense.
I will admit though, that sometimes, while riding around, I felt pretty much like a Shriner's clown riding around in one of their little cars. The bike just lends itself to goofiness. But if you like to bike and you like having that "s***t eating grin that I associate with biking and downhill skiing - go get one. You shant regret it.

"That is all"

[VTskibum]

It's a good way to make the shoreline actually fun. I rode the Ogden shoreline last winter on a borrowed Pugsley. It was a blast. Hitting corners with any kind of speed and locking the rear to drift corners was really cool.

BTW, anybody use a 29er HT as a snow bike? I can't afford a fat bike at this time, but would like to do some riding this winter.

I use mine as a snowbike most of the winter (only bike's I have). It's really no better than a 26er or any other MTB would be IMHO. Up to a few inches and once it's packed down it's lots of fun. Above 4/5" it becomes less fun, especially if you're breaking trail the first one through. Water content of snow makes a big difference, once it's been sun baked and if it's not packed down it really sucks.

Edit to also add - I try to avoid hilly trails in snow as it quickly becomes hike-a-bike and just skidding downhill.

The whole fat-bike idea is intriguing, but my area doesn't see enough snow to warrant the cost. It would definitely beat XC skiing for me though.

[Roxtar]

Just wanted to add my two cents worth.
I turned 50 years of age last February and to fulfill the obligatory "midlife crisis" took possession of a new Salsa Mukluk one week before my birthday. It was indeed cheaper than other midlife crisis toys [a Porche perhaps].Wise move.
My dumbass turning 50 idea was to do Leadville. :eek:

[lph]

Just wanted to add my two cents worth.
I turned 50 years of age last February and to fulfill the obligatory "midlife crisis" took possession of a new Salsa Mukluk one week before my birthday. It was indeed cheaper than other midlife crisis toys [a Porche perhaps].
I am blessed in that I live about two hundred feet from approx 200 kilometers of single track trails that crisscross and meander through a protected forest / wetland area. The trails are used by bikers, hikers, cross country skiers, snow shoe'rs and dog walkers. The resulting snow pack-down is superb for winter riding.
I have found that a temperature of between -7 degrees Celsius [I am Canadian] and -15 C is awesome. The grip between the snow and the very soft [5 - 7 PSI] tires is incredible and it is sooooo much fun being able to tip the bike over on its edge while ripping through the woods [with lighting systems in the dark after work].
After a winter spent on the bike [and looking very much forward to the coming winter] I spent the entire month of August ripping these very trails on the 'fat bike" with increased tire pressures [i.e. 20 PSI - 30 PSI made it to choppy and bouncy] and found it to be incredibly fun and soft underfoot. The bike behaved very well and I went for group rides every Tuesday night and had no difficulties keeping up.
Some of the greatest fun I had while touring around on the bike was parking it somewhere people congregate and hanging out beside it to wait for the inevitable "stoooooopid" comments, especially from non-bikers. This lent me hours of quiet guffaws at their expense.
I will admit though, that sometimes, while riding around, I felt pretty much like a Shriner's clown riding around in one of their little cars. The bike just lends itself to goofiness. But if you like to bike and you like having that "s***t eating grin that I associate with biking and downhill skiing - go get one. You shant regret it.

"That is all"

If I had any reservations that review just wiped them out. thanks for that.

[scottyb]

Anyone grab one of these beasts yet?

[flowtron's ghost]

ETA at Surly is 12/15. We've got 2 coming when they get in house.

[mntlion]

anyone getting a moon lander (and selling the old, crappy, "skinny" snow bike)? medium to large type size. let me know.

[scottyb]

^^^ There should be some available soon. BTW I as able to fit the new BFL on large marge rims stuffed into my Pugs frame with minor tweaking and full use of 2x9 gearing.

PS, The new Nate tires are a mud boggers dream.

[scottyb]

a buddy has a ML on order and is supposed to be at the shop early Jan

[skideeppow]

bump
thinking about moolander for this winter, any other reviews?

[scottyb]

Word on the street is there will be bigger options coming as in 182 hubs and moar 4.8 tires. The black pugs is a good option to the Moo particularly if you upgrade it with holey RD wheels.

Fatback has a new rocker frame up for preorder that is belt, SS, IGH friendly.

[axebiker]

I picked up a Mukluk this spring, and I have been making small parts improvements to it all summer. I think the last thing I need to do at this point is grab a set of Husker Du tires.

I was looking at the Moonlander as well, but a couple things put me on the Muk: 1) a snowless winter here in MN, 2) the geometry of the Muk is a bit more comfortable - less "MTB-like"; you sit ON a ML, and you sit IN a Muk, and 3) the Muk was about $1k less.

"Shit eating grin" is a perfect description of every ride I've taken on this thing. It's just FUN. It takes "go anywhere" to new levels. I'm really looking forward to night rides in the river bottoms this fall after the weeds dry up, and the bugs die. This winter, I'll probably ride it on the snowmobile trails by the ski area while the other guys are skinning before the lifts open. It should make golf courses a good time in the winter too, and the dog will enjoy winter a little more as well - off-leash.

Not that I crave attention, but any fat bike is an instant conversation starter. Everyone that sees them wants to know a little bit about them. It's fun, and when people who aren't even riding it are smiling when they see it, I think that's nothing but a good thing.

Again, it's a gas to ride, and opens up doors of riding many never thought of. I'm looking forward to riding this winter. Lakes are gonna be the new home base. We have a few of those in MN after all. Don't knock it til you try it. You might actually enjoy it. I know I do. Look for deals on used rides. Mine was a shop demo, so I did pretty well on the purchase, and I still get new bike warranty/treatment.

[skideeppow]

I really dont like to add on new components, I want something I can buy out of the box and go.
When is the fat back going to be available? So it is SS and belt drive compatable as well as IGH (what does that stand for?)
The black puglsy, is it the same bike as the moonlander but with the smaller tires. or is the moonlander have a different geometry?
Thanks

[ticketchecker]

Any new moonlander owners since this thread went quiet? I've got the jones for a fat bike pretty hard right now.

[crashtestdummy]

Any new moonlander owners since this thread went quiet? I've got the jones for a fat bike pretty hard right now.

I have one ordered and hopefully it will be in my possession by the end of the week. I really hate waiting for toys to arrive, I'm worse than I was as a kid waiting for Xmas.

[ColMan]

I was on the fence between a Necro Pugs and Moonlander. Decided on the Necro Pugs (they now come w/ Holy Rolling Darryls). My idea is to run it with a 4.8 tire (Surly Bud) + Clownshoe up front on the deep days and the stock wheels/tires once it's packed or mixed snow/dirt riding (less weight). Best of both worlds.

[skideeppow]

i have been riding mine for the last 3 months pretty fun, not the quickest turning. All in all a great bike,

[ticketchecker]

I was on the fence between a Necro Pugs and Moonlander.

That's where I'm sitting. I want to make sure it'll work as a trail bike year round.

[crashtestdummy]

That's where I'm sitting. I want to make sure it'll work as a trail bike year round.

I'm planning to use my Moonlander year around as my main bike. For the last 4 years I've always ridden with my dogs, and my average speed is from 4 to 6 mph. I think the Moonlander fits that description. Plus I wanted to be able to run the largest current tires.

[ColMan]

That's where I'm sitting. I want to make sure it'll work as a trail bike year round.

I don't think you can go wrong either way. I would love to have both (with a Bud/Lou on the Moonie for snow). I used the $$ I saved to upgrade parts (hydros are a big improvement over the BB7s, esp with all the rotational weight).

[ticketchecker]

My LBS has a moonie on the floor in my size. That may make the choice easier for me.

My knees will applaud when I tear my 1x1 down to rob some bling off it too.

[Chugachjed]

I want one so bad. They're perfect Anchorage bikes. Guys drag car tires to groom the singletrack and they ride all winter.

[TahoeBC]

There was a fat bike demo day 1 1/2 weeks ago in the Reno area, would have loved to have checked it out if the skiing had not been so dam good. Found this video from that day with a moon lander, now I think I need a new toy, dammit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0cNSp6ZkTI

[ticketchecker]

I was on the fence between a Necro Pugs and Moonlander. Decided on the Necro Pugs (they now come w/ Holy Rolling Darryls). My idea is to run it with a 4.8 tire (Surly Bud) + Clownshoe up front on the deep days and the stock wheels/tires once it's packed or mixed snow/dirt riding (less weight). Best of both worlds.

Do you think you need the clownshoe?

[crashtestdummy]

There was a fat bike demo day 1 1/2 weeks ago in the Reno area, would have loved to have checked it out if the skiing had not been so dam good. Found this video from that day with a moon lander, now I think I need a new toy, dammit.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0cNSp6ZkTI

I have yet ridden a Moonlander on snow, but this guy is going a lot faster than I think I would be comfortable with. Maybe I'll gain a new perspective on Saturday.

[Chugachjed]

You'd be amazed how fast you can go on a bike on snow. Given the right conditions.

[crashtestdummy]

You'd be amazed how fast you can go on a bike on snow. Given the right conditions.

The going fast isn't my concern, it's the turning and braking that I'm worried about.

[crashtestdummy]

I rode the new Moonie yesterday. Not on snow because Mother Nature is a perverse bitch and all the snow and cold I had a week ago was replaced by non-stop rain. I headed south and rode a great, not sloppy when wet trail. The Moonie was great. I rode firm sand, wet sandstone, and soupy sand and never had a lose of traction. I love this bike.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz35/HarveyMelvinRichards/Bikes/P1265028Large_zps08437346.jpg

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz35/HarveyMelvinRichards/Bikes/P1265034Large_zpse9ca5261.jpg

[scottyb]

looks good

[ticketchecker]

Space travel for the everyman

[Chugachjed]

I'm still waiting for the video of kidwoo bunny hopping his house on one.

[crashtestdummy]

Got a snow ride in today. Granite becomes amazingly slick with a little wet snow on it.

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz35/HarveyMelvinRichards/Bikes/P2105080_edited-1Large_zps084780a4.jpg

http://i811.photobucket.com/albums/zz35/HarveyMelvinRichards/Bikes/P2105078_edited-1Large_zps545d6980.jpg