Help - Bro's too long

[payote]

I'm giving up on my BRO183's (soft), they're just too much for me and I'd like something a little easier to turn in tight trees... I should have got the 174's.

I'm 5'-10", 165lbs, like powder and trees and I don't huck off much of anything.

Options I'm looking at are G3 - Zenoxide, Tonic or Saint, BD Verdicts, or Gotamas for touring and inbounds. Open to others as well but that's what I see for sale at the moment.

I've read Gotamas ski short, is 177 going to work for me or will I be better off with 168? Same for the others - do I go 170 range or 176?

ps. BRO's are for sale.

[Imz]

Dynastar Polar Bear Limited Editions... definitely.

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[toast2266]

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[XtrPickels]

You're 165 and can't ski 183 bro's?

Save your money and spend it on ski lessons.
Honestly.

Or, by something rockered

or snowblades.

[El Chupacabra]

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[payote]

All very helpful, thanks.

I can ski them, they just put a lot of torque on my knee which I don't need.

[jla415]

I've got a pair of new un-drilled 174 bros if you really want that size.

Send me a pm for more details.

[wicked_sick]

ps. BRO's are for sale.

You should put an ad up in gear swap. They are likely to sell fairly easily.

[payote]

First I'm going to try to find a buyer who's not as cheap as all the bastards in here.

[RootSkier]

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[jcnoble5]

a) what do you want for them?
b) how many mounts?
c) if (b) < = 1, then what bsl were/are they set up for?
d) if (a) + (b) + (c) is < = to 714, then I will take them

[snapt]

174 bros drilled once for Onyx in excellent shape for trade for the 183's?

[farmer]

rax skis. and quit being such a pussy

[Crampedon]

Dynastar Polar Bear Limited Editions... definitely.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m178/Imraanaziz/myfirstdynastar2.png


No No No! You guys!

Look how much board is in front of the boot!

Here>
http://snowsportsgear.co.cc/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/41G88mAK+qL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Imz]

^^ Good thinking!

(Learning to turn properly will eliminate torque imparted to your knees)

[hutash]

I'm giving up on my BRO183's (soft), they're just too much for me and I'd like something a little easier to turn in tight trees... I should have got the 174's.

I'm 5'-10", 165lbs, like powder and trees and I don't huck off much of anything.

Options I'm looking at are G3 - Zenoxide, Tonic or Saint, BD Verdicts, or Gotamas for touring and inbounds. Open to others as well but that's what I see for sale at the moment.

I've read Gotamas ski short, is 177 going to work for me or will I be better off with 168? Same for the others - do I go 170 range or 176?

ps. BRO's are for sale.

Mounted wrong?

I love my 183s and of a similar size and height. It is a great ski, so you are doing something wrong.

[oftpiste]

sack up.

[otto parts]

If they are mint I will swap you for new 174s.

[JayPowHound]

I'm 5'7 160 and ski Euro 183 softs in the tightest east coast trees I can find without any complaint.

Seems like it's time to man up, go to the gym, and take some lessons!! :the_finge

Mounted wrong?


Where DO you have them mounted? If they're too far back that could be your issue, maybe you're not such a pussy after all...

[payote]

No, I'm probably a pussy...

They are mounted about 3mm ahead of the factory marked centre. Which is where our friends at PMGear had marked a new recommended centre with a sharpie.

I no doubt could use a lesson, there's still some noodle left in my technique from the 80's, perhaps that's the problem.

What is this Rax that you speak of, I've not heard it mentioned in these parts :fmicon:


So nobody has an opinion on the 176 Gotama or Zenoxide?

[rush1975]

keep the skis and step up your game = win win for you.

[Mafiaverde]

Well, you should check with Splat for the new 179 Lhasa, 29m radius and a nice rocker.

[Crampedon]

All the joking about snowblades, phat luvs, and skiing lessons aside, riding my Bro 188 stiffs and a ski like the Rossi S7's or the wailer's is a very different thing indeed.

A 30 meter radius compared to an 18 ? I got off the Bro's on a powder day and on to the rockered 188 S7's... Wow.

[XXX-er]

I'm giving up on my BRO183's (soft), they're just too much for me and I'd like something a little easier to turn in tight trees... I should have got the 174's.
.


dude this is TGR yer like standing up in a crowded bar and yelling "I have a short dick" ... next time blame it on the design of the ski or SFT

[Crampedon]

dude this is TGR yer like standing up in a crowded bar and yelling "I have a short dick" ... next time blame it on the design of the ski or SFT

Well that only took 25 posts to state! Master of the obvious!:biggrin:


Yeah, they are short (I'm a big boy on 173 Shamans w/Dynafits) so they aren't popular with the TGR long ski/short dick crowd. But if you've got the big hog swingin' 'tween your legs, it just might be the ski for you.

[Like a Boss]

Dynastar Polar Bear Limited Editions... definitely.

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m178/Imraanaziz/myfirstdynastar2.png

I found these ski really well mounted at +2. But I heard Seth Morrison skis them at +4...

[oftpiste]

remount at -6

[Crampedon]

remount at -6

Ho Bra, what at , -6? For real? but you would be....just.... standing, in.... the snow....in yer booties!

Oh...

[oftpiste]

Ho Bra, what at , -6? For real? but you would be....just.... standing, in.... the snow....in yer booties!

Oh...

Dunno. Just a guess that if he's +3 right now and can't turn 'em......

Never skied them but +3 seems like it would be way too forward for that ski.

[hutash]

I don't know about the US Bro 183s, but the euro version are best mounted +3mm, not +3cm. At +3cm I would think the ski would have some issues, like falling on your face with every turn.

Like I said earlier, either a bad mount or a bad skier.

[jgb@etree]

First I'm going to try to find a buyer who's not as cheap as all the bastards in here.

I'll give you $20 for 'em - shipped.

[Chowda]

First I'm going to try to find a buyer who's not as cheap as all the bastards in here.

I doubt you'll find a better market for that ski elsewhere.

[ecskier7]

I am 5'9 155 and ski A 183 and love them even in the EC trees.

[Porrick]

Line Profit 100 or 115 in a 179 might work for you...

[counterfeitfake]

I'm pretty sure 50% of the skis reviewed here have been Gotamas.

Definitely steer clear of the Verdicts.

[payote]

Definitely steer clear of the Verdicts.

Any reason?

[whacked]

It's probably the mount: +3cm is too far forward, especially given that they are short.

It might be the bases: Do they feel squirrelly, as though each ski wants to do its own thing? Have a shop check the bases with a true bar.

I got my 174 Softs stone ground and they dramatically improved. Mounted on boot center.

[stuckathuntermtn]

He wrote +3 millimeters. The problem is you. If they're torquing your knee, you're not doing right.

[Jethro]

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Hey, don't knock that ski! My wife loves hers.

[payote]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

[LightRanger]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

Verdicts are probably going to be tougher for you than soft Bros, given your description there.

I would consider something softer like the 178cm S3 (or 186 because it's rockered on both ends). The new 179 Lhasa might work for you, given the size/shape.

G3s seems like they might work too, although I don't know a ton about their current lineup.

180 Praxis Backcountrys.

Salomon Czars in the appropriate length.

Etc.

Basically go for something relatively soft, similar in length to the Bros you're giving up, but with rocker on at least the front end.

Or sack up. :wink:

[liv2ski]

They're not +3cm, they're +3mm which is how they came marked from PMGear.

I find I'm really in the backseat in deep snow to keep the tips from diving and that makes them hard to bring around, and also puts a lot of stress on my knees. It's possible I could move them back a bit, but really, the line is already quite far back. Most likely it's just me, I need a ski that's more manageable at moderate speeds instead of the high speed sweet spot the Bros seem to have.

Payote, the 183 isn't a deep pow ski. Granted your a hell of a lot lighter than me, but still for deep pow you need something wider and likely a bit longer. The 183 is more of an everyday ski and I use it up to about 6 inches of powder. I found that I can make pretty much any turn radius I want on them (as in tight) so you don't need to go super fast on them. Just use it as an everyday ski, not a powder ski. And ya, maybe some lessons would help. I just took one last week and it helped a bunch.:wink:

Edit: if you want to sell them, put them in Gear Swap. I bought mine in pretty mint condition with some ok bindings for $300 as a FYI.

[payote]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

[DoWork]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

Honestly, if you're in the back seat trying to plane them, and want something with a little more float that's more playful in the fresh, get the 183 FAT BRO. I have both versions and can tell you it's a very different animal. VERY playful and easy to toss around in pow because of the extra width and tip rocker. Last weekend I forgot my good boots at home and so skied trees all day on them with uber-low-cuff 55 flex rental boots with no real driving issues or complaints whatsoever. Great ski and MUCH more manageable in the fresh than my traditional 183s. Just a thought.

[mwthomsen]

If you think it is the ski not floating to the top that is causing you to get in the backseat than maybe you should consider a Lhasa in a 179 or 186. I would characterize my 183 as blowing through stuff rather than a surfer. If you tend to ski in the backseat get a lesson or try shimming the toes of your binders a few mm.

[stuckathuntermtn]

just to add (now I'm gonna sound like a gaper).
I have 1st gen Enforcers in a 185. I'm 6' and 180. Yeah, I get in the back seat sometimes, I'm working on it, my toe nail is getting bruised (also from icy moguls and traverses). If you get going a little, the tips pop right up. Now, I don't think a "soft" Bro's tips are as soft, let alone as big as the Nordica's, but the idea is the same, and at your height/weight, they should pop right up.
You can put your weight in your heals to smear turns in powder, but you gotta keep your shins pressed against the front of the boot.
Also, like I was telling the other guy: what boots do you have? Maybe their not stiff/forward enough?
Also, torquing your knee sounds to me like you're trying to turn the skis with you're upper body.

Now, in the end, it may still not be the right ski for you. That's always possible.:redface:

[payote]

I'm on Garmont Adrenalin.

I think a lesson would be in order for sure, it's been a very long time.

[LightRanger]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

Skip the El H. Not because it's too stiff, but because it's not rockered.

Tonic might work.

Skip the Saint and definitely the Kilowatt.

176 Got sounds good.

Note the trend of the recommendations... both mine, and others.

[Skirotica]

This thread is gold. Solid gold.

edit: er, it was on page 1. Then it got legit.

Focus on that technique and make sure it's the ski and not you before investing more money. If you're sitting in the back seat too much (even in powder), you're likely to be frustrated or strained even in a rocker or more floaty ski.

[payote]

S
176 Got sounds good.



Only rockered Gots?

[Chowda]

Nothing you buy will make tailgunning panic turns in deep trees easier on your knees. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, but if it is you need to stop that. Getting on a rockered ski (tip) will help with confidence and turn ability, but only if you stay forward on the ski.

[Buke]

I think that it's kind of funny that every post has tried to convince you that the ski isn't the problem. I wonder what kind of response you would have gotten if you had said that the ski was a Rossignol or Atomic? Of course, they're all correct. I ski 183 stiffs and I think it's possibly the best ski ever made.

However, my experience on the 183 Bro's is that they aren't the most forgiving ski when your technique breaks down. That's been good for me because it's become really obvious when I screw up and that has made me a better skier. More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed.




Focus on that technique and make sure it's the ski and not you before investing more money. If you're sitting in the back seat too much (even in powder), you're likely to be frustrated or strained even in a rocker or more floaty ski.

I think this is the best advice so far. Those aren't cheap skis and there are a lot of people that love them. You don't have to love them but unless you're made of money make sure that you're not the problem.

[johngenx]

I'm a shitty powder skier. Okay, I suck regardless of conditions. I have a new powder set up this year, a pair of G3 Manhattans. Pretty generous early rise tip on them, which has done one thing for me: given me the confidence to get the fuck out of the backseat and finally take the wheel. I love the early rise, but it's my lack of technique that I really need to deal with. The benefit of the early rise is in inspiring some confidence.

The new skis and some coaching in the soft stuff has helped me a lot. It's been said every post, but technique is the key. I went skiing a last springs with a 5'1" 110lbs woman that was on BRO192s and she skied everything on them. Open bowls and tight trees. She's a damned fine skier and could turn those skis on a dime.

[1000-oaks]

Some of the available replacement options right now...

G3 El Hombre 177 or 170, too stiff?
G3 Tonic 177
G3 Saint 170
BD Kilowatt 175
Gotamas 176 and 168

Given my inability to ski Bros, any thoughts on which of these might work?

If you're willing to go that short, for pow days I highly recommend trying a pair of 175 Sumo's, mounted 4cm back from the line. (The line is waaaaay forward compared to 190 Sumos, mounted my 175s at -5 based on the center of the running length.)

They're a traditional shape and will do just fine on the groomers (other than being slow edge to edge), but are very light for their size, especially the 2008 wrestler graphic model. They're super fat and quite soft, and basically drop into a rockered ski shape the second you get into deep snow. At 165 lbs the amount of pop out of pow turns is amazing, I've never been on something so maneuverable in tight trees. Put my Pontoons on eBay soon as I got home after the first day on the Sumos, and ordered a pair of 190 Sumos for more stability at speed. (Wish they had something in between the 175 and the 190, but the 190s work fine if you let them run.)

[stuckathuntermtn]

I think that it's kind of funny that every post has tried to convince you that the ski isn't the problem. I wonder what kind of response you would have gotten if you had said that the ski was a Rossignol or Atomic? Of course, they're all correct. I ski 183 stiffs and I think it's possibly the best ski ever made.

However, my experience on the 183 Bro's is that they aren't the most forgiving ski when your technique breaks down. That's been good for me because it's become really obvious when I screw up and that has made me a better skier. More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed.



I think this is the best advice so far. Those aren't cheap skis and there are a lot of people that love them. You don't have to love them but unless you're made of money make sure that you're not the problem.

I said that in the end, it might not be the right ski. However, when he's talking about getting torque on his knees, that indicates there is something wrong with the pilot.

[payote]

More than anything, the skis don't put up with skiing in the backseat. As long as my hands are forward and I'm balanced then things are good, as soon as I drop my hands and get in the backseat, I'm screwed

^This about sums it up for me.

I had a good day with them this morning, focused on staying forward and they powered through the variable conditions of powder with occasional ice and crud at unexpected moments. I'm getting on board with the challenge of learning to ski these puppies properly.

That said, I have the opportunity to make a switch to Dynafit on a 176 Gotama (07-08) for neutral cash. With a non-rockered Got at that length am I going to be in the same boat anyway? Would they be any more forgiving when I inevitably do end up in the backseat?

p.s. thanks for the quality input after a slow, yet humorous, start.

[plugboots]

It ain't the horse it's the cowboy. Stick with the bros.

[splat]

The new skis and some coaching in the soft stuff has helped me a lot. It's been said every post, but technique is the key. I went skiing a last springs with a 5'1" 110lbs woman that was on BRO192s and she skied everything on them. Open bowls and tight trees. She's a damned fine skier and could turn those skis on a dime.


Tell her to drop me a line!

[liv2ski]

^This about sums it up for me.

I had a good day with them this morning, focused on staying forward and they powered through the variable conditions of powder with occasional ice and crud at unexpected moments. I'm getting on board with the challenge of learning to ski these puppies properly.

That said, I have the opportunity to make a switch to Dynafit on a 176 Gotama (07-08) for neutral cash. With a non-rockered Got at that length am I going to be in the same boat anyway? Would they be any more forgiving when I inevitably do end up in the backseat?

p.s. thanks for the quality input after a slow, yet humorous, start.

This is TGR, you know you have to hear shit to get to the goods.:wink: anyways, do you wants Dynafit bindings, do you have the right boots? If no, fuck it and stick with the Bros as some nice boots will set you back $$ and the length difference is what, 2 inches, one forward and one at the tail, so BFD in my simple mind. We are the same height and I have no issues with my 183s, but they are my everyday ski, not my powder ski. For light pow I use 190 Back County's. For the deep stuff, 196 Lhasa Pows, but I weight 200lbs:eek: the Bros were money from the first few runs on them. They ended up replacing some Dynastar Skis I loved, because they made a wider variety of turn sizes, were better in bumps and have more pop to them, as the Dstars are just sic damp skis. Again, it is likely the driver, not the ski. At Mammoth you can take workshop lessons for cheap. It is typically me and one other person or sometimes is a private for 2.5 hours for $130+tip. I started taking one a month this year and it has made a big difference so far this season.