alternatives to bca alpine trekkers

[450rider]

hey all of my skis either have p18s or jesters on them and i have no intention of buying AT bindings. Ive had naxos, dynafits and dukes all before, but i hate the way they lift your foot up that extra inch or so especially since i do a fair amount of freestyle type stuff, and i just dont want to pay for them again or have to ski around with taht extra weight on my ski when im not hiking. Id only using these for whistler sidecountry hikes that would be an hour and half long at absolute most, but all i hear about the trekkers is bad, so is there something else that would be better to use?

[Sirshredalot]

If you're never going to be using them for long approaches, you can't tolerate the extra stack height of the a/t offerings, etc., the trekkers will be fine. Just make sure that you have them adjusted properly and keep an eye out for loose screws.

[MrDirt]

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[Mantana1]

get over yourself and buy some dukes.

or just use trekkers, but your right, they suck.

[mntlion]

Carry spare heel throws

[450rider]

get over yourself and buy some dukes.

or just use trekkers, but your right, they suck.

well like i said i do a lot of freeride stuff, like i spend probly about 40% of my time in the park anyways, and raised bindings DO NOT work well on rails, and they add a fair bit of sketchyness to groomed or hard landings. and at this point although i do have park skis, i only ever ski park on fat reverse cam skis at this point. So if i were to get the trekkers what would be the big problems with them, all i ever here is "they suck, just buy dukes" but whats actually wrong with them? are they really that fragile? even just for 30-40 light touring days a year? i really dont care about weight to be honest, like ive just been bootpacking everything for the last while and ill be using them on either my hellbents with jesters or s3 koopmans with p18s, so im already far beyond a light set up.

[Mantana1]

I personally have never used them (nor do I ever plan to) but from what I've seen, they are a little fragile, you have to cram them into your pack for the way down, and can be a frustrating hassle at times.

If you're only using them for short tours and are prepared for the uphill to suck, (in alpine boots im assuming too) I guess its your only option if you don't like dukes.

good luck

[JimLad]

Not to mention landing a cliff backwards on Dukes will probably make them explode. They are not the answer for everyone.

[bongora3]

Not to mention landing a cliff backwards on Dukes will probably make them explode. They are not the answer for everyone.

:rolleyes2

[Gilla]

Hope you like walking in high heels, good luck using trekkers with p18's.

Edit: I am not even sure they would work that well with the Jester heel piece.

[450rider]

Hope you like walking in high heels, good luck using trekkers with p18's.

Edit: I am not even sure they would work that well with the Jester heel piece.

yea i was wondering about the p18s pivoting and all that, has anyone used them with pivots or jesters?

and yes i will be using alpine boots, at boots would be nice, but downhill performance is obviously the most important to me. Ive got fulltilt konflicts, so i figure that theyre at least really light and comfortable as far as alpine boots go, so has anyone else also toured in full tilts?

and lastly is the touring action much different or worse than other bindings like the dukes? or is just all the other factors that make them worse?

[kalisto]

Am I the only one confused here?

First... you say you have a bunch of skis, put some touring bindings on one of them, you'll have plenty left over for the park.

You say you don't want the extra weight going down... but then 'already far beyond a light set up.'?

You say you'd be doing 30-40 light touring days a season, but spending most of your time in the park? How many days do you ski a year?

"Ive had naxos, dynafits and dukes all before, but i hate the way they lift your foot up that extra inch or so especially since i do a fair amount of freestyle type stuff"

I feel like if you've skied all of those, you'd have a better idea of what you want/what you're asking, so I'm going to call BS on that.


I'm going to guess that:
- You've bootpacked around Whis/Blackcomb, but you've never owned touring gear and you have no idea what you want.
- You spend most of your time in the park and want to go hit some BC booters.


If you're really only going 30 minutes, and you go a few times a year, then get some trekkers... sure. If you're planning to go your claimed 30-40, invest some some actual gear (that's a pretty decent amount of days touring).

[TheDon]

Invest in the MFD all time binding, they're purple!!!

[450rider]

Am I the only one confused here?

First... you say you have a bunch of skis, put some touring bindings on one of them, you'll have plenty left over for the park.

You say you don't want the extra weight going down... but then 'already far beyond a light set up.'?

You say you'd be doing 30-40 light touring days a season, but spending most of your time in the park? How many days do you ski a year?

"Ive had naxos, dynafits and dukes all before, but i hate the way they lift your foot up that extra inch or so especially since i do a fair amount of freestyle type stuff"

I feel like if you've skied all of those, you'd have a better idea of what you want/what you're asking, so I'm going to call BS on that.


I'm going to guess that:
- You've bootpacked around Whis/Blackcomb, but you've never owned touring gear and you have no idea what you want.
- You spend most of your time in the park and want to go hit some BC booters.


If you're really only going 30 minutes, and you go a few times a year, then get some trekkers... sure. If you're planning to go your claimed 30-40, invest some some actual gear (that's a pretty decent amount of days touring).

1. i want the option to choose different skis to tour on

2.i dont want to have weight on my feet is what im saying, theyre allready heavy skis as you and i have both said, so anymore weight on my actual skis is worse than wieght that i am carrying for jumping/spinning

3. i ski everyday, between winter and summer i get about 130 days a year

3. i used to go to a ski academy for high school and was on the big moutain team there for the first two years and then switched to park for the last two years, i have owned naxo 21s and dynafits and have skied friends dukes, and have toured in la grave, revelstoke, golden and various places on the east coast. but ive just been out of the whole bacckcountry scene for the past two years as i have just been really working at improving my park game since i want to take more tricks into the backcountry. So it has been a few years since ive done much touring. So yes my memory is a bit faded on some of this, but all of your assumptions are wrong.




and i do really like the mfds from what ive seen, but as i said i want to be able to switch between skis, but that is still an option

[kalisto]

Well if you want the options.... Trekkers is an obvious choice.

"i dont want to have weight on my feet is what im saying, theyre allready heavy skis as you and i have both said, so anymore weight on my actual skis is worse than wieght that i am carrying for jumping/spinning"

Pretty sure the rotational weight is the same, since the weight is on your feet, so that wouldn't matter. As for the extra weight for jumping, I would imagine the extra few pounds would be fairly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

130. Impressive.

Anyway... My point is. You're over analyzing WAY too much. Figure out what works, and go for it. If it's .1094304932 kg heavier, it doesn't REALLY matter. If it does, practice more. The chance the binding is going to be the limiting factor for what you're trying to do is pretty much nil. Clearly you're not worried about breaking the binding (which is mostly everyone's main concern). You're not worried about binding slop, or lateral stiffness.


You're worried about shit that doesn't matter.

edit: Oh... and afaik, dynas have some of the lowest stack height of any binding... Not that i'm suggesting you use them. Also, how come all of your touring gear you sold was brand new? you must have used it a ton eh?