Another Mexico Immigration Thread

[Downbound Train]

*American working in Mexico*

From the other side of the fence...
Received the following from Tom O'Malley, who was a Director with S.W.
BELL in Mexico City :

"I spent five years working in Mexico . I worked under a tourist Visa for
three months and could legally renew it for three more months. After that
you were working illegally. I was technically illegal for three weeks
waiting on the FM3 approval.

"During that six months our Mexican and U.S. attorneys were working to
secure a permanent work visa called a 'FM3'. It was in addition to my
U.S. passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country.
Barbara's was the same, except hers did not permit her to work.

"To apply for the FM3, I needed to submit the following notarized
originals (not copies):
1. Birth certificate for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and
proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had
worked for at least one year.
6. A letter from the St. Louis Chief of Police indicating
that I had no arrest record in the U.S. and no outstanding
warrants and, was "a citizen in good standing".
7. "Finally, I had to write a letter about myself
that clearly stated why there was no Mexican citizen with
my skills and why my skills were important to Mexico . We
called it our 'I am the greatest person on Earth'
letter. It was fun to write."

"All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish
and be certified as legal translations, and our signatures notarized. It
produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side &
Spanish on the right."

"Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours,
accompanied by a Mexican attorney, touring Mexican government office
locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least three times
at each location, and we remember at least four locations where we were
instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and criminal law and that we
were required to obey their laws or face the consequences. We could not
protest any of the government's actions or we would be committing a
felony. We paid out four thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete
the process. When this was done we could
legally bring in our household goods that were held by U.S. Customs in
Laredo , Texas . This meant we had rented furniture in Mexico while
awaiting our goods. There were extensive fees involved here that the
company paid."

"We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and
under contract and compliance with Mexican law."

"We were required to get a Mexican driver's license. This was an amazing
process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our
headquarters location with their photography and fingerprint equipment
and the laminating machine. We showed our U.S. license, were
photographed and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly
after paying out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving
test and never received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only
instruction was to never give a policeman your license if stopped and
asked. We were instructed to hold it against the inside window away from
his grasp. If he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get
it back. "

"We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number
of our FM3 as our ID number. The company's Mexican accountants did this
for us and we just signed what they prepared. It was about twenty legal
size pages annually."

"The FM3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after paying
more fees."

"Leaving the country meant turning in the FM3 and certifying we were
leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants,
tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs."

I can't believe people don't fact check these crazy chain e-mails! :p

[Pillsbury]

what's your point you stupid fucking cum rag?

[Downbound Train]

what's your point you stupid fucking cum rag?

You are not a nice person. Since you won't be going to heaven, this is your only shot. You should try to be a better human being.

[Pillsbury]

LOL fucking LOL

[Downbound Train]

No point, just an open ended troll. Take it where ever you want.

[Phill]

The only thing thats pretty shocking to me is that someone with a "permanent work visa" can't buy a house. That seems kind of ridiculous.

[Pillsbury]

The only thing thats pretty shocking to me is that someone with a "permanent work visa" can't buy a house. That seems kind of ridiculous.

that's probably because it isn't true. Like most bullshit that dumb fucks like bt believe.

http://www.mexonline.com/propmex.htm

[Jer]

Whoa! Mexico has a website?!?!

[Phill]

why not? your mom has a website,

removed

[Jer]

why not? your mom has a website,

also removed - holy fucking sick

Jeez Loueez - and you wanted to see me get banned?

That really brings back memories of the Cyber Cop days...




Oh yeah - everybody - the link in Phill's post is extremely NSFW. In fact it;s NSFAnything.

[Phill]

Jeez Loueez - and you wanted to see me get banned?


Lol, it was just there for you. I'll edit it out now. To anyone else who saw it, sorry.

[Tunco]

I'm moving to Mexico, for a year, in August.

Was it Lemon Party?

[Phill]

tub girl.

Where in mexico?

[Tunco]

We are looking at a couple of spots around Puerto Escondido.

[stuckathuntermtn]

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Kill yourself.

[Downbound Train]

Kill yourself.

^^^Anger management dude...

Check out the ASS KICKING Gov. of AZ taking Obama to the woodshed. How PATHETIC of the Federal Government. How low we have sunken as a nation.

http://securetheborder.org/

[stuckathuntermtn]

OMG BROWN PEOPLE!!!

[nutcase]

WTF DBT?? My dumbass republican friends forwarded that email to me like 6 months ago. For someone so clearly invested in conservative daily emails you really missed the boat on this one.

[DasBlunt]

that article is all bullshit.

I had a work visa in 3 hours from a job down there that wanted me. bribe was paid by my employer, and my other american colleagues all own houses down there.

he just got screwed if its true!

[OSECS]

WTF DBT?? My dumbass friends forwarded that email

Hey nut, You got annnnny friends who aren't dumbasses ?? :rolleyes2

[Downbound Train]

Common Myths and Facts Regarding Senate Bill 1070
June 23, 2010


While Senate Bill (S.B.) 1070, as amended by House Bill (H.B.) 2162, is characterized by many as the toughest anti-illegal immigration law in the nation, many of its opponents have mischaracterized or exaggerated its provisions. This document seeks to correct those mischaracterizations by referring to the express provisions of S.B. 1070 and relevant federal and state case law. All references to S.B. 1070 include the amendments made by H.B. 2162.

1. MYTH: S.B. 1070 grants new powers to police officers to pull drivers over just to check their immigration status. Police can now just come up to you for no reason and ask for papers.

FACT: S.B. 1070 is a “secondary enforcement” law. S.B. 1070 requires that there must first be a "lawful stop, detention or arrest made by a law enforcement official or a law enforcement agency . . . in the enforcement of any other law or ordinance. . . .” A.R.S. § 11-1051(B). Much like enforcement of seat belt laws in many states such as Arizona – under S.B. 1070 there must first be reasonable suspicion that you are breaking some OTHER law before an officer can
ask a person about their legal status. Only then, after law enforcement officers have a “reasonable suspicion” that another law has been broken, can they inquire about immigration status – but ONLY if that individual’s behavior provides “reasonable suspicion” that the person is here illegally.

“Reasonable Suspicion” is a well-established legal standard defined by the U.S. Supreme Court and used by law enforcement in every state and jurisdiction in the country for decades.

2. MYTH: S.B. 1070 requires police officers in Arizona to stop, ID and arrest anyone they suspect of being in the country illegally.

FACT: Police officers are authorized, but not required, to determine any person's immigration status if reasonable suspicion exists as explained above. Police officers are only required to: (1) make a "reasonable attempt" to determine a person's immigration status (2) "when practicable" (3) but not "if the determination may hinder or obstruct an investigation." Arizona Revised Statutes ("A.R.S.") § 11- 1051(B). The only absolute requirement for law enforcement officers and agencies to confirm a person's immigration status is if they are arrested for another crime. A.R.S. § 11-1051(B).

3. MYTH: S.B. 1070 will make racial profiling the law of the land in Arizona and there is the possibility of detaining or arresting someone merely on the basis of physical appearance.

FACT: The opposite is true. S.B. 1070 expressly prohibits racial profiling. Per the express language of the law, police "may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements of this subsection except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution." A.R.S. § 11-1051(B). In addition, S.B. 1070 provides that these provisions of the law “shall be implemented in a manner consistent with federal laws regulating immigration, protecting the civil rights of all persons and respecting the privileges and immunities of United States citizens." A.R.S. § 11-1051(L).

4. MYTH: S.B. 1070 is unconstitutional because it intrudes on the federal government's power to enforce immigration laws. Only the federal government has the authority to enforce federal immigration laws.

FACT: It is settled case law that states and local police may enforce criminal provisions of federal immigration law. See Gonzales v. City of Peoria (AZ), 722 F.2d 468 (9th Cir. 1983). The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed in Gonzales v.
City of Peoria that “nothing in federal law precluded…police from enforcing the criminal provisions of the Immigration and Naturalization Act.” It is well established that state and local police possess the inherent authority to arrest aliens
who have violated the criminal provisions of federal immigration law. It is also important to note that S.B. 1070 expressly provides that a person’s immigration status may only be determined by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement
(“ICE”), U.S. Customs and Border Protection, or a law enforcement officer authorized by the federal government to verify immigration status. A.R.S. § 11- 1051(E).

5. MYTH: S.B. 1070 requires police to enforce federal immigration law without providing training on how to do so.

FACT: Governor Janice K. Brewer issued an executive order requiring the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training ("AZPost") Board to provide Arizona's law enforcement with training on S.B. 1070 prior to it taking effect with particular emphasis on training to prevent racial profiling and other illegal practices. Arizona Executive Order No. 2010-09. AZPost immediately started preparations to implement that order.

6. MYTH: S.B. 1070 allows citizens to sue the State or local governments if they don't arrest enough aliens illegally present in the United States or if a police officer doesn't inquire into every person's immigration status.

FACT: Legal residents are only allowed to sue the State or a local government if it "adopts or implements a policy that limits or restricts the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law." A.R.S. § 11-1051(H). This provision takes direct aim at cities that adopt so-called "sanctuary city" policies and not at the decisions of individual police officers.

7. MYTH: S.B. 1070 uses German Nazi and Russian Communist techniques that compelled people to turn each other in.

FACT: S.B. 1070 does not have any provision requiring or allowing people to inform on another person's immigration status and turn them in to the police. Such a report would not qualify as “reasonable suspicion” for law enforcement to determine a person’s immigration status. As acknowledged by the Los Angeles Times (April 20, 2010), this claim is unfounded because S.B. 1070 "would not require people to report suspected illegal immigrants to authorities.”

8. MYTH: S.B. 1070 may compel local police to ignore more serious crimes because they will be required to enforce federal immigration laws to the “full extent permitted by federal law.”

FACT: Police officers are only required to determine a person's immigration status "when practicable." A.R.S. § 11-1051(B). Individual police officers are not required to enforce federal immigration laws to the "full extent permitted by the law." This provision solely applies to a law enforcement “official or agency” and not to individual police officers. A.R.S. § 11-1051(A). S.B. 1070 prohibits law enforcement officials and agencies from limiting or restricting the enforcement of federal immigration laws to less than the full extent permitted by federal law by adopting so-called “sanctuary city” policies. A.R.S. § 11-1051(A).

9. MYTH: S.B. 1070 authorizes Nazi-like requirements for aliens to carry their "papers".

FACT: Federal law already requires aliens to register with the federal government and carry their documentation (e.g., "green card") pursuant to 8 United States Code §§ 1304(e) and 1306(a). A violation of these laws is a federal misdemeanor. S.B. 1070 makes this a concurrent state misdemeanor by mirroring these same sections of federal law. "In addition to any violation of federal law, a person is guilty of willful failure to complete or carry an alien registration document
if the person is in violation of 8 United States Code Section 1304(e) or 1306(a)." A.R.S. § 13-1509(A). These federal requirements have been in place for decades.
10. MYTH: S.B. 1070 does nothing to address the "real" public safety threats to Arizona border violence, drug cartels and human smuggling.

FACT: S.B. 1070 is not intended to be the single solution to Arizona's extraordinary illegal immigration problems. Just as the demand in the United States for illegal drugs fuels the drug traffic, the demand and tolerance of persons who are not authorized to be in Arizona fuels, in part, the human smuggling traffic. Along with many other existing provisions of Arizona law, S.B. 1070 will serve as the best Arizona can do until the federal government fully secures our border and restores integrity to our immigration system. These other existing statutes include the toughest employer sanctions law in the nation (including the mandatory use of E- Verify) and refusal to provide any public benefits to unauthorized aliens.

[stuckathuntermtn]

It's a catch 22. The law requires police to act on reasonable suspicion of a law being broken (that's normal). But since the law makes illegals out to be hardened criminals, police must be on the look out for them. Most illegals are brown. Brown people will get pulled over since they may be breaking a law.

[nutcase]

Hey nut, You got annnnny friends who aren't dumbasses ?? :rolleyes2

No. Us dumbasses need to stick together.

[Downbound Train]

It's a catch 22. The law requires police to act on reasonable suspicion of a law being broken (that's normal). But since the law makes illegals out to be hardened criminals, police must be on the look out for them. Most illegals are brown. Brown people will get pulled over since they may be breaking a law.

You don't know that. Sounds like you think cops a pricks. Uhhhh wait a second.....


Well maybe they are but not as big a prick as YOU!

[Downbound Train]

It's a catch 22. The law requires police to act on reasonable suspicion of a law being broken (that's normal). But since the law makes illegals out to be hardened criminals, police must be on the look out for them. Most illegals are brown. Brown people will get pulled over since they may be breaking a law.

Oh by the way.....You are a racist! Always hung up on color.