View Full Version : Red Bull induce blackouts?
Crinkle
11-05-2004, 02:16 PM
Just curious if others have had similar experiences. I have had this conversation several times recently with quite a few friends. For some reason, not sure if I am drinking more or something that the RB does with the liquor that makes me go fuzzy. Usually not falling down drunk but foggy at the least.
iskibc
11-05-2004, 02:19 PM
You're doomed. It may be the Taurine?? How many are you putting back on an average night out?
altachic
11-05-2004, 02:20 PM
Last day at Alta 3 years ago.
I drank 12 redbulls within about 3 hours.
Worst hangover i've ever had the next morning. Thought i was going to puke after skiing down high boy.
I drink a redbull every so often now, as that was worse than any alchohol i've had.
meatdrink9
11-05-2004, 02:21 PM
my answer is obvious :rolleyes:
Crinkle
11-05-2004, 02:21 PM
At the most I've had 3, which probably didn't even contain the equivilent of 3 red bull cans. Heck on Halloween i had ONE and i was in the can, but i was drinking everything that past my lips (nothing new). I don't feel my drinking habits change while on Red Bull, but chances are i am not paying close attention.
phUnk
11-05-2004, 02:23 PM
"I recommend you stop being such a pussy."
Seriously though. Red Bull makes me more obnoxious (huzzah!) when I drink, and the Bull + alcohol means I don't sleep for shit, but no blackout type events.
Crinkle
11-05-2004, 02:23 PM
my answer is obvious :rolleyes:
yeah but the frequency that i have heard this answer in the past week has alarmed me.
Rippinsick
11-05-2004, 02:24 PM
I have never blacked out when drinking red bull drinks. I have, however, felt like my heart was going to jump out of my chest and run away a few times. I usually only mix it with vodka or Jager though. What are you mixing it with? That reminds me, it's Friday! I hope to be "riding the bull" in a few hours ;)
At any rate it is a drink that I have learned is best in moderation.
steepconcrete
11-05-2004, 02:26 PM
I don't drink that shit...cattle seamen extracts are not my flavor.
Mountainman
11-05-2004, 02:29 PM
Last time i had this mixture was over a year ago on my birthday. You'll have to have MT fill you in on the details because i don't remember shit from that night.
Tippster
11-05-2004, 02:38 PM
I don't drink that shit...cattle seamen extracts are not my flavor.
Read. Think. Post. Smoke Crack.
http://www.darkdog.com/whatistaurine.html
gonzo
11-05-2004, 02:38 PM
i do not think that anything in red bull itself makes me black out. i think it is the vodka i put into it.
my thinking has been that stimulants in general push back the pass-out time and allow for more alcohol consumption, which allows for more blackification. the more and longer you drink, them more likely you are to black out. sometimes i wake up feeling like my short term memory passed out while the rest of me was still drinking.
mildbill.
11-05-2004, 02:48 PM
my thinking has been that stimulants in general push back the pass-out time and allow for more alcohol consumption, which allows for more blackification. the more and longer you drink, them more likely you are to black out. sometimes i wake up feeling like my short term memory passed out while the rest of me was still drinking.
the main thing i think is that the taste is so strong that you can double or triple up the amount of grim booze you're mixing into your drink and still have it be poundable. with three red bulls all of a sudden a quart of jim beam is gone in 30 min. and then :yourock: (<---edit=what i meant is that you are as drunk as this guy).
i also think the large amounts of caffeine push back the 'holy shit i'm fuckin wrecked' feeling so you do the 'ok i'm going to pound these drinks until i'm fuckin wrecked' maneuver for longer. then all of a sudden you wake up in a gutter in brookline, with no hat and bruises on your face.
i haven't had red bull and xxxxxx in a long long time...drunk bill causes enough problems for me without it.
The AD
11-05-2004, 02:53 PM
Where the selection for "I don't drink ridiculously overpriced fad beverages?"
Sorry, just felt like being a dick. Maybe the stimulant effect causes you to drink more, thus resulting in more blackouts?
EDIT: it looks like mildbill beat me to this theory.
schuss
11-05-2004, 02:56 PM
I've found its just because you drink faster due to the stimulant effect, and for a longer period of time. Red bull actually helps me avoid hangovers sometimes, due to the b-vitamins constantly replacing the ones I piss away with alcohol.
mildbill.
11-05-2004, 03:01 PM
Red bull actually helps me avoid hangovers sometimes, due to the b-vitamins constantly replacing the ones I piss away with alcohol.
a-ha! that's what it is. makes sense now.
and i really attributed it most to the uber-mixing capabilities, if i pound a few redbull and then drink beer, i'll black out eventually. if i make red bull and xxxxxx's, i'll black out eventually too.
come to think of it, i picked the 'i always black out' option. i do not have a good relationship with alcohol.
but my point was, for going on a redbull drunk, i find that you must have hte redbull in conjunction with the booze, not just sub a can of redbull for a beer every so often. i feel that this is implicit verification for my 'mixing' theory.
steepconcrete
11-05-2004, 03:07 PM
Read. Think. Post. Smoke Crack.
http://www.darkdog.com/whatistaurine.html
I am fully aware of what taurine is...it the just the idea. I know Bed Bull claims to use a synthetic taurine...its just that we dont really know anything about what the long term effects of a lot of these things are...Ill get mine natrually from eating well (unless medically I need to). All organic non processed for me and I grow/raise as much of my food as possible.
Euphedera, BALCO 'roids, Red Bull type enegery drinks--they are all along the same lines in my opinion. Chemical junk. I do drink gatoraid. Some funky shit in it, but fuggit, really helps prevent dehydration.
Id also like to know a ad/propaganda piece from someone who makes money off the product has to do with what they process to get the majority of the product on the market?
kush1
11-05-2004, 03:09 PM
i also think the large amounts of caffeine push back the 'holy shit i'm fuckin wrecked' feeling so you do the 'ok i'm going to pound these drinks until i'm fuckin wrecked' maneuver for longer. then all of a sudden you wake up in a gutter in brookline, with no hat and bruises on your face.
Thanks for putting it in scientific terms :biggrin:
phUnk
11-05-2004, 03:21 PM
All organic non processed for me and I grow/raise as much of my food as possible. This just in: Hippies don't drink Red Bull.
At 11: Surprised Maggots react.
TheDingleberry
11-05-2004, 03:31 PM
Well usually if I need to stay out all night I have about 15-20 rebull vodkas.
The day after this past New Years was one such occassion. I started drinking cheap Brandy and beers at my place with a few friends. Then I proceeded to load the redbull vodka into the blood stream.
We drove to Hermosa and upon exiting the car my drunk ass, instead of walking around a car, walked directly on the hood, roof, and trunk and then jumped off. (This is my precise moment of blackout everything herein was collect from everyone within my party.)
I proceeded to hook up with a hot cougar in Sangria. My friends told me I was pretty much out of my mind and I was the entertainment for the whole club. They said there was a ring of people around us watching both the cougar and myself go at it for like an hour. :fm: (Now you'd think I would remember hooking up with a hot cougar but I had no idea.)
Somehow I managed to lose the hot cougar throughout the course of the night. Bummer. So we go accross the street to Piazanos to get some Pizza after the club closes.
So its now like 3am in the morning and we get our pizza and sit down next to these two good looking blonde girls. One of them had on these hot pink high heels with jeans (I remember these girls) and I fucking freaked out. I loved this chicks high heels and none of my other boys with me noticed them. SO I turned to my buddy Shaun and I told him to look at her high heels, at the point he sees the shoes he freaks out too! So we are sitting here having a drunk freakout on these two hot chicks and my other two frinds are just kicked back enjoying the show. So then Shaun proceeds to grab this girls leg and pull this high heel up to his face to get a better look. It was was right in front of his face and it looked like he was sucking it, but he wasn't. So I said Bro "suck that thing." He said "what?" I relplied "Suck it. Just suck it." At this point in time I realized that we were the entertainment for the whole place as everyone burst into a "SUCK IT. SUCK IT" chant. So Shauns looking at it for a minute, everyone is still chanting "SUCK IT" and he starts sucking on the heel of this pink pump and the crowd in this restaraunt goes fucking wild. Everyone cheered like when Boston won the series. It was awsome.
At the end of the night I was still foggy but it turns out we took pink heels and her friend to my place.
Zeedashbo
11-05-2004, 03:37 PM
[QUOTE=mildbill.]
come to think of it, i picked the 'i always black out' option. i do not have a good relationship with alcohol.
QUOTE]
creeping up in the polls. c'mon baby.
steepconcrete
11-05-2004, 03:40 PM
This just in: Hippies don't drink Red Bull.
At 11: Surprised Maggots react.
Sterotyping people who you have never met or seen. Pretty ignorant.
edit, sorry i missed the winky...but seriously, I take offence to being called a hippy.
meatdrink9
11-05-2004, 03:43 PM
It's comforting to see that I'm not the only person here who has issues with blacking out. Blackouts scare the crap out of me. Some of the stories people have told me of my behavior the day after have scared the bejeezus out of me. I haven't drank since that TGR show nightmare in Boulder.
optics
11-05-2004, 03:46 PM
I've found that if thrown properly, most any full beverage container will induce blackout.
mildbill.
11-05-2004, 03:49 PM
It's comforting to see that I'm not the only person here who has issues with blacking out. Blackouts scare the crap out of me. Some of the stories people have told me of my behavior the day after have scared the bejeezus out of me. I haven't drank since that TGR show nightmare in Boulder.
i'm with you man. there's mildbill, and then there's a point after which mildbill watches as drunkbill commandeers mildbill's body and voice and uses them to ruin things.
phUnk
11-05-2004, 03:51 PM
edit, sorry i missed the winky...but seriously, I take offence to being called a hippy.
Is that so?
A street drunk told me this last night on my way back from the bar. More sugar = body stays "awake" longer after the brain shuts down short term memory. That's why tequila and jagermeister are often blackout inducers. I believe him B. I don't know why, but I do.
Tippster
11-05-2004, 03:57 PM
i'm with you man. there's mildbill, and then there's a point after which mildbill watches as drunkbill commandeers mildbill's body and voice and uses them to ruin things.
Heh. Like clean gutters. :fmicon: (<--Obligatory FM)
Don't be too down on yourself. At least you're not evil enough to let your friends get hauled off to the drunk tank (or recommend they get kicked in the nuts.)
Steepconcrete:
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mr_gyptian
11-05-2004, 04:16 PM
the main thing i think is that the taste is so strong that you can double or triple up the amount of grim booze you're mixing into your drink and still have it be poundable. with three red bulls all of a sudden a quart of jim beam is gone in 30 min. and then :yourock: (<---edit=what i meant is that you are as drunk as this guy).
i also think the large amounts of caffeine push back the 'holy shit i'm fuckin wrecked' feeling so you do the 'ok i'm going to pound these drinks until i'm fuckin wrecked' maneuver for longer. then all of a sudden you wake up in a gutter in brookline, with no hat and bruises on your face.
i haven't had red bull and xxxxxx in a long long time...drunk bill causes enough problems for me without it.
bingo. It's Red Bull and Popov, not Red Bull and Goose.
Jack Daniels has a 100% kill rate with me. I can take one shot and not remember a night regardless of how much collateral damage I've done.
Tippster
11-05-2004, 04:40 PM
bingo. It's Red Bull and Popov, not Red Bull and Goose.
Jack Daniels has a 100% kill rate with me. I can take one shot and not remember a night regardless of how much collateral damage I've done.
Bartender? I'll have two shots of jack Daniels, a medium-sized aubergine, and a tub of Vaseline, please...
The Reverend Floater
11-05-2004, 05:12 PM
While I tend to consistantly blackout, I can tell you this:
My alter ego, Rocks Cockblockerman, only appears after copious amounts of RBV's have been consumed. Having my roomie be a bartender at the rowdiest joint in town, I rarely escape a few triple RBV's when I'm in it to win it. Rocks told me that the RBV's merely keep his engine running, long after I've checked out (see picture below--Rocks just "showing up" on the right).
You don't want to be hitting on a girl when Rocks Cockblockerman shows up, trust me. He's bilingual and ruins any game in sight with a quick herpes reference and a "he's done time" haymaker. :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
http://www.tetongravity.com/usergalleries/albums/userpics/samandstuntman.jpg
Theodore
11-05-2004, 05:18 PM
I've learned that if I drink Redbull I pass out the next day around noon. Went to a cardiologist and its confirmed, no mo red bull for me.
phUnk
11-05-2004, 05:34 PM
http://www.tetongravity.com/usergalleries/albums/userpics/samandstuntman.jpgDear lord man, cameras + Rocks are the gifts the just keep on fucking giving. :D
The Reverend Floater
11-05-2004, 05:40 PM
Again, phUnk--that's not me. It's Rocks Cockblockerman.
Duder
11-05-2004, 05:45 PM
Black out= Too much sugar that keeps the body going after the mind has shut down due to alcohol.
I subscribe to this theory.
Tresckow
11-05-2004, 06:55 PM
So it’s late 2000 and I’m visiting friends back in Rochester NY after a stint skiing bumming out west. Now I had been living in the backwoods of NM at the time, but Red Bull had easily infiltrated West Coast drinking establishments by then.
This was not the case in the upstate NY bar scene at the time, however.
So I figure it would be a great idea to find a store with Red Bull, stock up, and rage out the bar and club scene downtown, on my 1st weekend back. So, every joint I walk into, none of the bartenders had heard of Red Bull, much less mixing it up with mind-numbing intoxicants. I found that I had to explicitly ask for a pint glass, half ice, half vodka, and a lime. I would get the strange look, and then bust out a can and mix one up on the bar.
Well this went well, and we were bar hopping all over downtown. Of course, as the night gets later, the bartenders would get more curious and throw in more vodka. I suppose it might have been because I was out of my gourd, and other late night drunks like to see others having a good time, cause those bartenders were really pouring it on. The novelty of it all was enough for most to give me free rounds so long as I made one for them.
So we’re leaving this wretched club at closing time, and most of the drinkers on Monroe have emptied onto the street. So I promptly lose sight of all my companions, but I’m feeling good, and decide to hoof it back the dozen or so blocks back to where I’m staying for the evening.
So I’m walking home on some side street, minding my own business, when this giant chicken pulls up to the curb. It motions for my Red Bull, and feeling charitable, offer up one for the giant chicken. Next thing I know, I’m riding on the back of this chicken, looking down on the cars far below me. Now, I’m not thinking that this was strange or dangerous at all at the time. I was figuring this was my ride home, and it was simply meant to be. Plus, I figured my friends would get a kick out of a giant chicken dropping me off at the house and wishing me a good night.
The next thing I remember is my friends peeling me off the doorstep of their house. The best I could recollect is I ran out of Red Bull to fuel the chicken and he must of bucked me to the curb. I came to this conclusion around the time I noticed the giant gaping wound on my shoulder, bleeding through my coat. My friends were figuring that I got into a bad fight, seeing my knuckles were broken open, but this theory was put to rest cause I still had my wallet and all my teeth.
The most difficult part of this situation was how I got across 490, which is a inner-city 6 lane expressway with giant sound proof walls lining my most plausible route home.
It was the giant Red Bull fueled chicken I explained, as this woman so kindly stiched up my shoulder in their bathroom.
I haven’t seen the chicken since that night, but then again, I haven’t drunk Red Bull and vodkas so recklessly since then either.
Have fun out there, and remember, if you accept a ride from a giant chicken, make sure you have ample amounts of Red Bull.
optics
11-05-2004, 06:57 PM
I haven’t seen the chicken since that night.
This is enough on its own.
Tresckow
11-05-2004, 07:01 PM
Originally Posted by optics
This is enough on its own
No doubt. Fugg them for transportation, now I just eat those damn chickens.
finsy
11-05-2004, 07:05 PM
there was a group on campus a couple of months ago preaching of the dangerous nature of combining redbull with booze. I walked right on by so I didn't get the jist.. sounds about right I wouldn't take any chances an stick to smoking crank from a light bulb :wink:
Clack
11-05-2004, 07:10 PM
i do not think that anything in red bull itself makes me black out. i think it is the vodka i put into it.
my thinking has been that stimulants in general push back the pass-out time and allow for more alcohol consumption, which allows for more blackification. the more and longer you drink, them more likely you are to black out. sometimes i wake up feeling like my short term memory passed out while the rest of me was still drinking.
DING DING DING DING DING DING!!!!
Exactly.
Gapeeer
11-05-2004, 07:22 PM
Allow me to set the scene. Alta party at the peruvian 2000-2001 season.
Everyone dressed up in ridiculously funny costumes. Friends and fellow p-doggers rage the Elf Engen being served only redbull and vodka's which got stronger as the night started.
Taking trips back and forth from the fort to do shots of vodka with a buddy properly named schwill ended up blacking out hard. To make a long story short woke up coated with a sticky substance from my shoulders down to my hands.-girlfriends' armed covered in bite marks.
I'm with meat on this as well.
red bull+vodka = ???
Last time i had this mixture was over a year ago on my birthday. You'll have to have MT fill you in on the details because i don't remember shit from that night.
Well, that's just because you can't drink for shit :fmicon:
As a certified drunk I would like to say that I don't think there is a strong connection between drinking Red Bull and alcohol x and blacking out. It's all relative to the amount you drink (what I mean is you can blackout on anything, and I normally do).
I'd subscribe to bill's theory, since Red Bull has a shitload of caffeine (a stimulant), and alcohol is a depressant.
I'm thinking the caffeine hits you quicker and wears off quicker, while the alcohol takes its' time. It's a one-two punch and out go the lights.
I work in a cardiology clinic and the Docs cringe whenever they see a can of Red Bull on my desk. :D
MacDaddy
11-08-2004, 11:48 AM
Allow me to set the scene. Alta party at the peruvian 2000-2001 season.
Everyone dressed up in ridiculously funny costumes. Friends and fellow p-doggers rage the Elf Engen being served only redbull and vodka's which got stronger as the night started.
Taking trips back and forth from the fort to do shots of vodka with a buddy properly named schwill ended up blacking out hard. To make a long story short woke up coated with a sticky substance from my shoulders down to my hands.-girlfriends' armed covered in bite marks.
I'm with meat on this as well.
red bull+vodka = ???
Heh :D was that the "Alta Prom" April 2001?
Glad you enjoyed it.
I'm still missing a Love Sac from that night.
We went through 25 cases Stoli and Absolute.
and I didnt Black out... I never do, I'm a professional
Gapeeer
11-09-2004, 03:30 AM
Yes it absolutely was Mac.
Great time and we also went through quite a bit of free red bull for the days proceeding the party. I beleive we filled three small refrigerators.
great great time.
Yossarian
11-09-2004, 06:27 AM
While I tend to consistantly blackout, I can tell you this:
My alter ego, Rocks Cockblockerman, only appears after copious amounts of RBV's have been consumed. Having my roomie be a bartender at the rowdiest joint in town, I rarely escape a few triple RBV's when I'm in it to win it. Rocks told me that the RBV's merely keep his engine running, long after I've checked out (see picture below--Rocks just "showing up" on the right).
You don't want to be hitting on a girl when Rocks Cockblockerman shows up, trust me. He's bilingual and ruins any game in sight with a quick herpes reference and a "he's done time" haymaker. :yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
http://www.tetongravity.com/usergalleries/albums/userpics/samandstuntman.jpg
I'm laughing so hard I'm actually crying.
Tears streaming down my face, I kid you not.
Yossarian
11-09-2004, 06:29 AM
p.s. nice moves Dingle. Visited LA for the first time a month ago or so, went to Hermosa one night and ended up in Sangria...but not quite like that...
Booger
03-04-2005, 10:47 PM
Sterotyping people who you have never met or seen. Pretty ignorant.
edit, sorry i missed the winky...but seriously, I take offence to being called a hippy.
Yes but not quite as ignorant as the US consumer who thinks organic food is somehow better for the environment and safer to eat (at least 2/3 of the people who buy organics think this according to an LA Times article from September of 2004). Most US consumers dont even know organic farmers are allowed to use toxic pesticides, natural carbon based pesticides but toxic nonetheless (sulfur, copper, rotetone, pyrethrum), or that the last 3 major nationally publicised food scares/ poisonings have been tied to organic food (strawberries, lettuce, and alfalfa sprouts). Or the fact that organic farming is not as heavilly scrutinized by the epa, fda, or usda compared to non organic farming.
Most US consumers dont even know that "organic" means "carbon based" and not "pesticied free". Organic doesnt mean shit anymore- I know some growers that label their produce organic who are not eco conscious just as I know some others who are non-organic that do a wonderful job farming low impact. "Conventional" farming means nothing anymore as well.
Im not even directing this thread at you Steepconcrete (and you wouldnt be called a hippy in Coastal California where organics are mainstream)...just a general observation after reading this board for a bit and seeing some organic related posts that depict the ever widening perception gap between those that grow the food and those that buy the food, which the whole thorny GMO issue(s) is also reflecting (at least in California).
Sustainabilty (supporting local/ regional markets, low impact farming, direct grower to consumer, etc) is the future of ag and food safety, which organics is a small part of but not the end all be all.
Ive attached an LA Times article thats fairly balanced.
K off my soap box now after digging up this year old thread.
Edit...cant upload the article but if you go to checkbiotech.org you can find it there.
Dr. Send
03-05-2005, 12:08 AM
I heard some rumour that thay are outlawing packages that say 'organic' on them here in BC or Canada, because it doesn't really mean anything anymore. It's just turned into a marketing ploy. (Of course, I may have just made that up)
powdog
03-08-2005, 12:24 PM
I am fully aware of what taurine is...it the just the idea. I know Bed Bull claims to use a synthetic taurine...its just that we dont really know anything about what the long term effects of a lot of these things are...Ill get mine natrually from eating well (unless medically I need to). All organic non processed for me and I grow/raise as much of my food as possible.
Euphedera, BALCO 'roids, Red Bull type enegery drinks--they are all along the same lines in my opinion. Chemical junk. I do drink gatoraid. Some funky shit in it, but fuggit, really helps prevent dehydration.
Id also like to know a ad/propaganda piece from someone who makes money off the product has to do with what they process to get the majority of the product on the market?
I have tried Gatorade full strength (too salty for my tastes) and haf-Gatorade and water (this mixture tastes not as icky as full-strength 'Tade). I have found that Powerade is nowhere near as salty as Gatorade, but the best product on the market has to be Cytomax or Accerlade (I'm a road biker). I can go faster and with not as much lactate acid buildup from both of these products (powder only - you have to mix it with water) for three to five hours.
cmsummit
03-08-2005, 02:10 PM
There is definitely something going on with the Red Bull & vodka's that gets me extra fucked up. I blacked out this weekend after drinking 5 of them in a 4-5 hour period after the J5 show at Copper. I could have had 8 beers in the same time frame and been fairly coherent......WTF? It's going to be a long time before I drink another Russian Bull. I think I'll just stick to my good ole' BUDdy WEISER. ;)
freshie247
03-08-2005, 03:42 PM
I think Transvestites are spiking your drinks with roofies.Any pain when you fart or sit down?Sorry I'm laughing to hard to continue
cmsummit
03-08-2005, 04:14 PM
I think Transvestites are spiking your drinks with roofies.
I haven't ruled that out either.
All I know is when I mix that shit with alcohol I get uncharacteristically wrecked.
HyRUPz
03-08-2005, 04:21 PM
Anyone tried mainlining the shit yet, just curious (NSR poster)
Dr. Send
03-08-2005, 06:38 PM
I haven't ruled that out either.
All I know is when I mix that shit with alcohol my ass gets uncharacteristically wrecked.
:tdo13: :D
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