WWMD: bootfitter screw up or end of intuition life?

[skiingsamurai]

I finally got my intuitions, dalbello badged in my kryton pros, re molded tonight. They had ~120 days on them since the last (first) mold. I got them re molded so I could snug up the fit, they were getting packed out. After remold I put them on and they're huge, im swimming in them, the toebox is enormous, width is for a fat guy, and heel pocket is a cave. Are my liners shot? Are they at the end of their lifespan, so they wont reform properly? They felt fine and snug while they were cooling.

Yes, they used the 2 toe caps, one over the toes only, then another over the toes and insole (custom)

Did I just fuck my liners up?

[mntlion]

I would re-heat the liners again, but NOT buckle them tight, and not use toe caps.

you are trying to get the liner tighter/bigger/puffyier, so you dont want to compress it with that extra stuff.

odds are they should be fine, but 100+ days is not too bad for a pair...

[XtrPickels]

This happened on a second molding for me too. I remolded a third time with them barely buckled and it made them better/skiable but not perfect. Ymmv

[XavierD]

120 days is a lot, might be time for a new pair. The foam cells will be pretty much crushed, and re heating them can only do so much. I usually get 80 days out of a pair before it is time to replace them.

[Danno]

I remolded a pair of liners and they were better for a short while, then quickly packed out. Bootfitter told me that once they are packed out, remolding won't make them like new again for very long. 120 days is a lot of days on one liner.

[El Chupacabra]

Were the liners remolded using the Dalbello hot air blower (recommended method), or an oven (not recommended by Dalbello)?

I just remolded Mrs. C.'s Krypton liners at home using an oven, as they were packed out from about 2 seasons' use. IMHO the oven method works better than the hot air blower, but you can seriously screw up if you're not careful.

[BSS]

100 days seems to be the breaking point for Intuitions (IMO.) You can re-mold and try to squeeze a bit more life out of them, but they're still never the same afterwards.

[skiingsamurai]

fuck me
I was hoping to avoid new boots till next season.

Anyone got an intuition hookup? I need a 25.5 pair

[Jim J]

Glad to see I'm not the only one with a dissapointing second mold. Usually these threads are filled with people talking about how you "should be able to mold them up to five times", or some nonsense.

[XtrPickels]

I believe its 3 times. Each brings more life back to the liner, but never to the start of the previous level.

In my instance I was trying for more volume over my instep in a pair of scarpa tele-boots. I cranked the forefoot buckle but, because of the tongue design, it put too much pressure on the ankle area and increase the volume there as well.

[Danno]

I don't think it's so much of an issue of you can't mold them more. the "can be molded up to 5 times" or whatever the number is relates to screwing up the molding and redoing it, selling the boots to someone, etc. But when a liner gets packed out it gets packed out. Remolding it won't un-pack it out.

[BSS]

^^ What he said.

[El Chupacabra]

If you've reached the conclusion that your liners are shot, then you have nothing to lose by trying this:


I would re-heat the liners again, but NOT buckle them tight, and not use toe caps.

you are trying to get the liner tighter/bigger/puffyier, so you dont want to compress it with that extra stuff.

odds are they should be fine, but 100+ days is not too bad for a pair...

Leave off the toe caps, wear a really thin sock (women's stocking even), buckle loosely.

Again, I like the oven method -- seems to create a puffier liner.

[mntlion]

I;ve been in my intuitions for 200+ days, and they have not needed a re-heat, due to packing out. Then again they started tight, with a small shell fit so the first few days they where SNUG. but the rest have been money.

Maybe if the shell doesn't fit you great to start with the int liner will help fill some voids for a bit, but in the end that will just pack out too? maybe a thin footbed as a shim might help to fill up volume? (under the footbed or on the boot board?) or a bit thicker sock? If it is just around the heel, some "L" or "C" pads to help fill in the voids?
worth trying some non-reheating options first, then a re-heat, then new liners, then new shells?

[mooseknuckle]

How about the opposite problem. Mine were professionally molded and are tight as fuck throughout - especially toe box. They pretty much hurt. Is this standard (i.e., I should stop being a pussy about it) and they will pack out considerably in the break in?

I went back to stock liners, which are a little packed out but feel much better by comparison.

[Danno]

How about the opposite problem. Mine were professionally molded and are tight as fuck throughout - especially toe box. They pretty much hurt. Is this standard (i.e., I should stop being a pussy about it) and they will pack out considerably in the break in?

I went back to stock liners, which are a little packed out but feel much better by comparison.

remold with a toe cap. a tight toe box isn't going to break in.

[Rideski]

footbed

http://www.yoursole.com/

[mooseknuckle]

remold with a toe cap. a tight toe box isn't going to break in.

Liners were initially molded with toe caps and regular socks. Guess I may need to do more or try it again.

Is it loony to think about trying to hit them with a heat gun in toe box area and jam them in the boots/mold or is waiting for a professional to clean this up the best bet?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

[Sillygoat]

^^^for mosseknuckle...
I don't think professional is the right word... possibly... someone with experience. Heating the toes up will activate the molding of the liner.. but just shoving your feet in them after heating the toes won't do the trick. What I did for mine was heat the toes and stuff the liner onto a broom handle and use the round knob end to stretch out the toes... big toe especially in my case. When the liner was warm with the boom handle stretching it I also took a hammer and hit the toe box while the boom was in there. I did this to try and make the foam as thin as possible as I needed a lot of room. This took care of my problem until I smashed my toes pretty good early this season and then I took scissors to the toe box and removed the outer layer of fabric and some foam. Even though I had stretched the toes out and compacted the foam it still had thick enough foam to remove some and add a breath of comfort. Don't be afraid to attack them.

[mooseknuckle]

SG - your advice ^^^^ is much appreciated. May have to get midevil on them!

Sorry to OP for the thread redirect - - - it just got me thinking about my problem.

[Danno]

Liners were initially molded with toe caps and regular socks. Guess I may need to do more or try it again.

Is it loony to think about trying to hit them with a heat gun in toe box area and jam them in the boots/mold or is waiting for a professional to clean this up the best bet?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Try 2 toecaps per foot! Or search in here for instructions on how to do rice molding of the toe (search "rice", maybe?).