191 Lhasa Production-Paging Splat

[Maker]

There was a thread a few days ago asking about the status of the 191s....maybe you could throw out a quick update for us?

thanks.

[time2clmb]

To kill 2 birds with one stone....when are the warranties for the 186 carbons shipping? Last you said was the week of September 19th but I never got a reply back on my email.

[khyber.pass]

(( Sounds like Splat is busy pressing planks .. ))

[Ender]

Pulled the trigger on a 191 last week - Splat said they plan to begin pressing 191's at the end of October.

[Maker]

bumperino

[time2clmb]

another bump to get this back to the 1st page

[splat]

Thanks for the heads up. I was trying to get Pierre back to France after taking him to the airport in SF Monday and he was a month early for the flight he booked. He wanted to leave 10/5, but booked his ticket for 11/5. Didn't feel right about leaving him waiting in the in the airport for a month. Took a couple days to get him another flight home...

The first two proto pairs of 191s get pressed next week. We'll check out the flex and make sure all the parts fit together and if all is OK, we'll knock out the cores and go forward. We had to do the metal tip pieces, like the one in the middle bottom of the photo, three times before Pierre got it right. The cores should go easier, since he sized the 191 cores off the 186 and 196 cores.

time2climb - shoot me another mail if you haven't gotten your warranty pair. things are just a bit crazy right now.

sorry for the sizing. someone swiped my photoshop disk.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=65870&stc=1&d=1255063887

[ColoMike]

Bump for any new info re the ETA for the 191s.

[todug27]

just wondering, does pm gear send a shipping number when they head out or is it just a one day they show up at your door thing?

[ticketchecker]

^^brown santa just rolls up one day and there is much rejoicing

[Vt-Freeheel]

^^^^ thats funneh and the way a pair of blems arrived for me [at an old paypal addy]

[deeppo]

The last I heard we should see the skis around thanksgiving. That was a few weeks ago. Also splat is there any way to make sure pm gear has the right ship addy. Living in a town with po boxes is a pain
deeppo

[Velillen]

just wondering, does pm gear send a shipping number when they head out or is it just a one day they show up at your door thing?

mine just showed up. made for a weird message on my phone since i wasn't home at the time. Fedex guy (think it was fedex Oo) leaves a message and is like i put your package behind your house in your woodshed in the left side under the blue tarp. I was like wtf i've had you guys leave $2k worth of computer parts on my front porch and this guy goes through all this trouble..... course then i got home and grabbed them and he'd left a nice note saying to enjoy the Lhasa's. Props to you Mr. Fedex dude for keeping my lhasa's safe!

[splat]

Bump for any new info re the ETA for the 191s.

We're on 186s for the next eight days, then the 191s. We got hung up on graphic bases we wanted to do and had to order some more of the red we've been using to get them out. Waiting on those bases hung us out to dry for the last two weeks, so we pressed 192s, which came out uber schweet. I know a lot of people are waiting on Lhasas, and they'll start shipping next week and, from there on out, we'll be getting them out as fast and steady as we can.




The last I heard we should see the skis around thanksgiving. That was a few weeks ago. Also splat is there any way to make sure pm gear has the right ship addy. Living in a town with po boxes is a pain
deeppo

I've asked anyone with any special requests, change of address or change of size to send a .01 Paypal to sales@pmgearusa and note their info in the form somewhere. All our shipping info comes from the Paypal payments, so this is the easiest way to make changes. pleeeeze, not in pms...

[todug27]

thanks for the update splat.

[bern43]

Thanks for the update!!! The anticipation is killing me.

[Ender]

Schweet. 191 Rulz.

[swampdonkey]

And the FKNA 183's ???????

[splat]

We hit a snag on the 183s. The engineering has to be done again. Pierre missed the mark. He and StroupSkier are working on the revised cad. They will be pressed after the 191s. The first protos were wrong, but we'll have this straightened out and get right on them after the 191s. The 191 protos were money. We'll get some 186 and 196 out this week and then all the 186 out over the next two weeks, then the 191s, then 183s, 179s, and 188 going into the new year. They won't go out until they're perfect. They'll get next year's topsheets and, hopefully, the new bases.

[skifishbum]

Dear Mr. Splat, I know those 191's are gonna be the shiznits. Thanks for not making them yet cause if I had them I'd probably ski them and I'd be pissed if the bases of my new skis looked like this
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/skifishbum/kes117.jpg
-Your bro from a different mo

[RootSkier]

But the edges are still $$$$$$.

[skifishbum]

But the edges are still $$$$$$.
bwwahh I got a pair of broheamoths one season and waxed em every day for like a month waiting for more coverage finally got a two footer took em out for a tour came up on a little <10' stump drop, heard the wifes voice in the back of my head pussed out, banked a high speed turn onto a rock and blew the edge. Should have waited one more storm or not pussed out.

[todug27]

theres no way i would have the restraint to not bring these out as soon as they are mounted.

[dk_alaskan]

bwwahh I got a pair of broheamoths one season and waxed em every day for like a month waiting for more coverage finally got a two footer took em out for a tour came up on a little <10' stump drop, heard the wifes voice in the back of my head pussed out, banked a high speed turn onto a rock and blew the edge. Should have waited one more storm or not pussed out.

And the magic of pmgear is they still ski fine.

[deeppo]

We hit a snag on the 183s. The engineering has to be done again. Pierre missed the mark. He and StroupSkier are working on the revised cad. They will be pressed after the 191s. The first protos were wrong, but we'll have this straightened out and get right on them after the 191s. The 191 protos were money. We'll get some 186 and 196 out this week and then all the 186 out over the next two weeks, then the 191s, then 183s, 179s, and 188 going into the new year. They won't go out until they're perfect. They'll get next year's topsheets and, hopefully, the new bases.

So we are looking at early dec. for the 191. Just wondering when I need to step up and buy binders for them(thinking dukes so I can ski them everywhere everyday)
deeppo

[blomeasap]

I dream every night about my 191 Lhasas on order. And it is wet.

[Horu]

here's to hoping my 196s are among those being made in this batch...drool :D . Although, the later they come, the fewer rocks i'll hit.

[Pegleg]

Super stoked to hear that the 186's are coming soon! I've got skins ready to trim, I've got bindings ready to mount, I'm ready!!! Unfortunately, the snowpack is not. Still, I'm breathlessly anticipating that moment when the guy in brown comes to the door with an oddly shaped package...

[Danno]

You guys are not the kind of customers that 333skis wants! Oh wait, this is PMGear and splat, carry on. :D

[mtaylor]

When I got my 183's, UPS just left them on my doorstep. Man, I was pissed.

I'm also waiting patiently on 196's, they won't see the hill until late December at the soonest, so I'm really in no rush.

[ego7man]

I'm stoked for my 186s.

[khyber.pass]

Stoked for those 186s too .. a warranty pair.. damn, it's already winter here.

Hmm, so can I change my 186s to 191s? Heh.

[splat]

Funny you should ask, kyber. I was just looking at those skis and thinking I'd fix them and sell them in gear swap. And, yeah, you can switch if you want. pm me.

[skifishbum]

Funny you should ask, kyber. I was just looking at those skis and thinking I don't really want to fix them. I could just send them to Dibs. He loves blems and always provides a great home for wayward bros
Fixing it's one of my strong points;)

[SkiboyJ]

Hummuna hummunna. I was wondering when the chatter about 191's was gonna start up again. I'll be pumped to get them by mid-Dec. Just in time for the first big EC storm.

[NorthernSpotted...]

We'll get some 186 and 196 out this week and then all the 186 out over the next two weeks, then the 191s, then 183s, 179s, and 188 going into the new year.

Splat, I can't remember what you've said in the other threads... Will those 183s and 179s have that fancy new carbon construction?

[splat]

Yes, but they're running behind schedule after the 183 protos weren't right and are getting done over.

[todug27]

anyone get their 186s this week? i saw a bunch at whistler over the weekend and I can't wait to try them out.

[khyber.pass]

^^Heh, those are probably Atrain's skis .. he's up and around these days. I haven't seen any others ..

Splat -- you da' man. Tempting to do 191, though at this rate, all my planks will be 190s..I wonder if I really need variety in length or if 190 is just the sweet spot.. will PM ;p

[todug27]

crosspost from the moment 09/10 thread of 186 carbon video from hiplainsdrifter, shows the camber/flex of the skis and he also has them weighed in at 8.1 lbs for the pair.

P1020515.flv video by highplainsdrifter80 - Photobucket

[Pegleg]

^^^ Seems to be a lot of unnecessary moving the skis around in that video - move them off-camera, then back, then off, then back. Also, why the face bandana? Are these skis hostages?

Useful info, though.

[todug27]

^^^ Seems to be a lot of unnecessary moving the skis around in that video - move them off-camera, then back, then off, then back. Also, why the face bandana? Are these skis hostages?

Useful info, though.

ya i didn't take the video, but i found it really useful for viewing the flex. The bandanna is hilarious though.

[schindlerpiste]

I thought that it was a very good video.
He got the message across.

[mday]

Definitely interesting to see how round the Moment's flexed compared to the shape of the Lhasa's with that stiff tail.

[eldereldo]

Hmm, 191, wasn't planning on any skis this year, but a 191 carbon might be just right for a BC dynafit equiped ski. And after all, I can hardly go without a pair in the quiver

[khyber.pass]

^^ hey eldo, we should get out & tour a tad this year.. ;p

[eldereldo]

^^ hey eldo, we should get out & tour a tad this year.. ;p

Yeh, except, I'm back in Alberta, waiting for my ACL to heal up enough to ski, and bemoaning that I picked last winter to spend in Whistler. I think the wife is getting real tired of hearing the WHistler snow report everyday, and a constant stream of real estate ads ;)

Any case, I will probably be out sometime later for a week or so.

[khyber.pass]

^^ Cool, when you do come out, there will be wine & a Lhasa meet-up session. Probably at the same time.

[deeppo]

How they looking?

[splat]

Fukkin awesome.

[Maker]

are these going to start shipping this week? i believe you mentioned they were getting pressed as of last monday?

[splat]

No, unfortunately, they don't pop straight out of the press and into a box. We pressed the first pair Wednesday and had to have the tip metal retooled to fit the new molds. Once pressed, they have to be finished, which is a shitload of work and craftsmanship if you want them to be correct in every aspect. We did a couple things on the last 186s that will show up on the 191s to make them even more awesome than had originally been designed. When the photos of the last 186s start showing up (they are still getting finished), you'll see what I mean.

[tsproul]

I want my 179's.

Stop taking orders for any more skis.


























:biggrin:

[splat]

I believe the new 179 molds have been done in anticipation of moving to them right after the 191s.

[Ender]

No, unfortunately, they don't pop straight out of the press and into a box. We pressed the first pair Wednesday and had to have the tip metal retooled to fit the new molds. Once pressed, they have to be finished, which is a shitload of work and craftsmanship if you want them to be correct in every aspect. We did a couple things on the last 186s that will show up on the 191s to make them even more awesome than had originally been designed. When the photos of the last 186s start showing up (they are still getting finished), you'll see what I mean.

Sounds sweet. Hate the wait but perfection is worth it! Keep the updates a coming splat, I love em.

[Mathematics]

So any idea when the 191's might actually start shipping?? AK is going off right now I'd be stoked to have these before the holiday break.

[splat]

All should ship by then.

[Spyderjon]

I believe the new 179 molds have been done in anticipation of moving to them right after the 191s.
Sod the Llasa's & the 179's, I want my 183's :mad:



















:biggrin:

[deeppo]

Any pics of the 191's?
Are we still looking at pre holiday delivery?

[Kya]

I believe the new 179 molds have been done in anticipation of moving to them right after the 191s.

Holy shit! Dude are you guys making 179 Lhasa? :yourock:

[tsproul]

Holy shit! Dude are you guys making 179 Lhasa? :yourock:

179 Bros. Not 179 Lhasas.

[splat]

pics tonite...

[SkiboyJ]

pics tonite...

Early Christmas presents. Sweet.

[deeppo]

pics tonite...

Oh Yea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[khyber.pass]

h00p3d. !

[otto parts]

KP, you going with the 191's too?

bring it Splat!

[Ender]

Hellz yes. FKS 180s arrived today. Just need 191 to slap em on.

[schindlerpiste]

PM Gear: Gettin' it Done. Not only are the shapes, flexes and materials on the cutting edge, but the graphics/designs are downright SEXY!
1st: BROtotype Splatula next to Lotus 138 3.1
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4561/bros001.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/bros001.jpg/)
Less tip and tail rocker than the Lotus, but the Splatula's rocker starts further back:
http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/4599/bros005.jpg (http://img704.imageshack.us/i/bros005.jpg/)
And the Oh sooo sexy PM Gear logo on the base tip:
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9740/bros007.jpg (http://img707.imageshack.us/i/bros007.jpg/)

Although, I love the specialized logo on the red base of the 186 Lhasa:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8263/bros009.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/bros009.jpg/)

But, I also like the all white base on my 191s:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5637/bros008.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/i/bros008.jpg/)


LET IT SNOW!!!

EDIT: Sorry Splat. ..But, I had to spill the beans;):yourock:

[VanPatrol]

^^^ SICK^^^

[splat]

191 minty green tops....

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69722&stc=1&d=1260591307

[Mathematics]

sick. so stoked.

and whens this brototype spatula thing hittin the market? definitely interested, is it an all carbon setup? weight? lightweight pow ski that can tour = $$$

[deeppo]

Splat
Realistically is there any chance of pre-holiday delivery for the 191's?
deeppo

[splat]

The first 10 orders should land before christmas, yes. Maybe the first 15.
There will be some that land after christmas, maybe a couple after new years.
It all depends when you ordered.

[bennettc14]

Gnarly, are the splatulas gonna be full reverse reverse or is their gonna be a tad of sidecut underfoot?

[schindlerpiste]

Today, I laped Regulator and Bassackwards on 4+" fresh with the 191s. All that I can say is that those of you who have ordered will be very satisfied. These beasts are a worthy stablemate to last years' 186. Smoove, butterlicious and light, these babies have no speed limit. I was especially impressed the way they ate up the chop, and effortlessly handled the soft bumps.
I can't wait to get them out in a bit more soft snow, and on steeper, more variable, terrain.
Sorry if there are a lot of misspellings, I'm writing with contacts only, and can barely see the keyboard. ...but, you get the message!

[splat]

Gnarly, are the splatulas gonna be full reverse reverse or is their gonna be a tad of sidecut underfoot?

They are an enlarged spatula. I was actually amazed at how much they look like the 138. I had Pierre blow the spats up proportionately, so they are humongous spats and, apparently, similarly proportioned to the 138s. I was hanging with Keith at Praxis yesterday (I totally admire that guy and what he's doing, btw) and he said it would be nice if I did the CCR on the splatulas. He likes his CCR. The splatula will evolve as we continue to develop it.

[Spyderjon]

Splat, what's the latest on the 183's? I'm flying out on the 2nd Jan & it would be great to take 'em.

[splat]

Sorry, they won't be there by then.

[splat]

crosspost from the moment 09/10 thread of 186 carbon video from hiplainsdrifter, shows the camber/flex of the skis and he also has them weighed in at 8.1 lbs for the pair.

P1020515.flv video by highplainsdrifter80 - Photobucket (http://s283.photobucket.com/albums/kk297/highplainsdrifter80/?action=view&current=P1020515.flv)


Definitely interesting to see how round the Moment's flexed compared to the shape of the Lhasa's with that stiff tail.

I was just going back through this thread and watched that vid again. I don't know how many peeps think a ski is supposed to have a round flex, maybe a traditional shape, but the Lhasa flex in that vid is exactly what works best on that ski. The narrow tail of the Lhasa is supported by that flex or it would wash out all the time, even in powder. I haven't said a word here about a change we made on the 191s, but since they are all done now, I can drop it. We added 2 mm in the tail to enhance hardpack performance. I'll be awaiting word from all the 186 owners who have skied both on how they think this improved the overall performance of the 191s in comparison to the 186 Lhasa.

[otto parts]

We added 2 mm in the tail to enhance hardpack performance.

Sounds pretty cool Splat-now that KW has enough base to not f-up a new pair of $950 skis, will be doing exactly that comparo as soon as you ship.

(and don't be telling me anything shipped til it actually does, I stood by the loading dock for 3 days ;))

PM Gear killing it in 2010.

[splat]

Go to the loading dock - NOW!


;)

otto parts - if you want, I have demos heading up to Cornice Sports on Wednesday and can give yours to Drew for pickup and mounting at the wood...

[Spyderjon]

Sorry, they won't be there by then.
Bummer. Can you give me an ETA?

[splat]

January, John.


Now....here's the 191 pics I kept forgetting to put up......sorry about the humungo size pics.


flash bleached the green a bit...
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69925&stc=1&d=1260847671

good view of the janitor...
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=69926&stc=1&d=1260847674

[Tye 1on]

Sweet! So is that one, like, extra or sumpin? :D And check it mags, the dood won't even let the tail get scratched on the shop floor, puttin his foot out there and shit...

New design on the tip metal?

And who-t-f needs base graphics anyways???!!! Kudos for putting the time/energy/$ on what's important...how they ski ;)

[splat]

It might well be the ultimate iteration of the Lhasas at this point. Nice size, swings well, held nicely on the man-made chocolate chip ice on red dog at squaw a couple weeks ago (tweaked my knee second run). It kept drifting to the soft stuff hiding the rocks on the side of the trail like a pelican diving for fish. Two additional millimeters on the tail width on the 191 over the 86 and 96, Tye, for a fuller edge on that kind of shit. I'm kinda aching for some soft fresh on them, but, ya know, I had to go screw up my knee on the rocks... With that tail change, the new base/tip interaction and the wall to wall carbon and glass, I like to think it's gonna be the hottest all-around slayer this side of bumfuck, anywhere.

[Horu]

Faster than the 186, quicker than the 196. It's like the blues had a baby and they named it rock'n'roll. It's a half-breed wonderchild.

The 196 carbons have been fun. It took a day or two to get the edges dialed, but I definitely push it a little harder on them than the glass pair. They ask for it. We have a lot of tight steep trees here, and the length of the 196 definitely keeps my attention (only in super nasty snow though ;)). I've noticed the carbon 'pop' that a lot of people refer to, esp. when airing out turns on ridges/wind lips; I agree with the adjectives fun and lively. No speed limit of course, but the glass pair didn't have one either.

edit: haha sorry for blog/thread jack

[splat]

Shit, Horu, it's kinda nice to hear some feedback on those in comparison the glass version. Thanks. The difference has to be quite noticeable.

[todug27]

yes, i like the sign of all those boxes with shipping labels on them in the background. Oh and judging by the pictures, splat looks mighty satisfied with those 191s.

[Spyderjon]

January, John......
Cheers Pat. I'll be taking them to Japan in Feb as back-up to my Llasa's :cool:

[khyber.pass]

KP, you going with the 191's too?

bring it Splat!

That's a good question. I really don't know what will show, as I hinted at 191s then forgot to PM.

Splat, did you ship anything my way yet? It always takes longer to Canada, so I try not to think about it.

Damn though, I am aching to fill that quivering hole that is a hole in my quiver. :eek:

[Zeppelinskier]

It might well be the ultimate iteration of the Lhasas at this point. Nice size, swings well, held nicely on the man-made chocolate chip ice on red dog at squaw a couple weeks ago (tweaked my knee second run). It kept drifting to the soft stuff hiding the rocks on the side of the trail like a pelican diving for fish. Two additional millimeters on the tail width on the 191 over the 86 and 96, Tye, for a fuller edge on that kind of shit. I'm kinda aching for some soft fresh on them, but, ya know, I had to go screw up my knee on the rocks... With that tail change, the new base/tip interaction and the wall to wall carbon and glass, I like to think it's gonna be the hottest all-around slayer this side of bumfuck, anywhere.

I can test them in the soft for ya:D

[splat]

That's a good question. I really don't know what will show, as I hinted at 191s then forgot to PM.

Splat, did you ship anything my way yet? It always takes longer to Canada, so I try not to think about it.

Damn though, I am aching to fill that quivering hole that is a hole in my quiver. :eek:

No, khyber, your skis have not shipped. People that waited until recently to send in warranties put themselves at the end of the list for waiting so freakin long to send them in. I'll prolly send you 186s, cause we have plenty of those done, but there are still a few 191s to get done. Unless you want to wait til after the new year. If you do, let me know. The last of the 186 orders go out this week. Then, warranties.

[Horu]

Shit, Horu, it's kinda nice to hear some feedback on those in comparison the glass version. Thanks. The difference has to be quite noticeable.

in that case...
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2658067#post2658067

[Ender]

Me wanty 191 lhasa. Me wanty bad.

Just picked up new sales territory in Utah and Montana. So looks like my 191s will be traveling from their Denver home.

Pics are awesome splat. RR looks ubersweet too!

[splat]

I don't want anyone to have to take my word for it on the 191s.
I'm as eager to get them in the hands of mags as those who've ordered them.
I really want to hear the feedback.

[SkiboyJ]

I don't want anyone to have to take my word for it on the 191s.
I'm as eager to get them in the hands of mags as those who've ordered them.
I really want to hear the feedback.

Pics look awesome Splat. I've been patiently waiting, and I can't wait to get mine. Hopefully just in time for some EC slayage now that it's finally BFing cold out here. I should be able to give you some feedback on new 191s vs last years 186 Carbon Lhasas once I get mine as my buddy has a pair of the 186's.

[SkiNowWorkLater]

Splat- coming off of last year's 186's I will certainly post a comparison review of the 191. Can't wait to get them!

[sean890]

yea, i will be able to provide a comparison to the 186s i had last year as well. cant wait for the 191s

[splat]

The only thing holding up shipping 191s is the bunch sitting in the shop waiting to get stoneground. I'm prolly gonna yank them today and take them somewhere they'll get done faster.

[khyber.pass]

Splat, PM'ed ya'. Might wait out for the 191s if the pressing schedule permits. Let me know.

And I wish I had pulled those new planks out of storage sooner too. So it goes.

[splat]

Splat, PM'ed ya'. Might wait out for the 191s if the pressing schedule permits. Let me know.

And I wish I had pulled those new planks out of storage sooner too. So it goes.

khyber, I gotcha covered either way. ;)

[Spyderjon]

splat, what top sheet are you putting on the new 183's?

[khyber.pass]

186 for me.

FYI, for those interested in length comparisons. The 186 Lhasa is within 1cm of the 190 Gotama, and within 1cm of the 188 DPS Wailer. This means that the Lhasa measures true tip to tail length (unlike Volkl) and compared to most commercial planks, is a longer ski for the measure. So a 191 Lhasa would be like a 197 Katana, and probably the same length as a 190 Lotus 120.

[Kya]

^^^ Excactly! All the more reason there should be a, just a little bit shorter, Lhasa for us shorter dudes. 179, 180, 181 or something.

[ticketchecker]

^^Kya, I hear ya. Just mounted some 186's, we'll see how it goes. 181 might be a nice number tho'.

They got FKNA written all over 'em though. Just sayin'

[splat]

That's FKNA®! heh.

Maybe next year, Kya. Now that we have the factory dialed, I can see that happening.

[tsproul]

^^^ Excactly! All the more reason there should be a, just a little bit shorter, Lhasa for us shorter dudes. 179, 180, 181 or something.

I'm 5'6" and am NOT an accomplished skier. The 186 Lhasa's are not a difficult ski. Yes, they're not 'beginner skis' but as long as you're not aunt bertha driving from the fkn backseat, you'll be fine.

Man up and get 186's.


:the_finge :cool:

[splat]

I'll support everything he^^^said.

Tell Martha I said HI.

[toiletduck]

186 for me.

FYI, for those interested in length comparisons. The 186 Lhasa is within 1cm of the 190 Gotama, and within 1cm of the 188 DPS Wailer. This means that the Lhasa measures true tip to tail length (unlike Volkl) and compared to most commercial planks, is a longer ski for the measure. So a 191 Lhasa would be like a 197 Katana, and probably the same length as a 190 Lotus 120.

But keep in mind the tip rocker does take a fair bit of effective edge away. Saying that, after a summer of sitting at a desk and very little else, my 196s are destroying me. Need to get my ski legs back to get the love going again...

[splat]

But keep in mind the tip rocker does take a fair bit of effective edge away. Saying that, after a summer of sitting at a desk and very little else, my 196s are destroying me. Need to get my ski legs back to get the love going again...

Don't turn as much. They can take the speed if you can.
That's the first thing I noticed about the 196.
The more tired I am, the faster I go.

[Tye 1on]

But keep in mind the tip rocker does take a fair bit of effective edge away.

Was discussing this point just last night at the bar. Consensus developed, right or wrong, that 'effective edge' is more of a concern when...edging. But that in pow/junk/crud/boottopdogfuck the whole ski is engaged, and they ski closer to the total length...then we had another shot...

[splat]

Was discussing this point just last night at the bar. Consensus developed, right or wrong, that 'effective edge' is more of a concern when...edging. But that in pow/junk/crud/boottopdogfuck the whole ski is engaged, and they ski closer to the total length...then we had another shot...

I'd say that was certainly enough thinking for one night and that a shot was well-deserved.

[khyber.pass]

Was discussing this point just last night at the bar. Consensus developed, right or wrong, that 'effective edge' is more of a concern when...edging. But that in pow/junk/crud/boottopdogfuck the whole ski is engaged, and they ski closer to the total length...then we had another shot...

Yes, I agree completely. Was just noting this with Marshal in regards to DPS... measuring mount point from effective edge sits you a tad too far back IMO unless you are a larger mofo. Compromise: measure 'ski centre' inbetween effective and true, then go back from there.

I find I ride early rise/rockered skis more centered, if anything, as I need to get over the rocker to keep it engaged, and I sacrifice nothing for float, landing, speed etc. YMMV.

[rich275k]

I'm 5'6" and am NOT an accomplished skier. The 186 Lhasa's are not a difficult ski. Yes, they're not 'beginner skis' but as long as you're not aunt bertha driving from the fkn backseat, you'll be fine.

Man up and get 186's.


:the_finge :cool:

Shit I'm 5'8" and I sacked up and bought a piar of 196 pows from Pat. But then again I like a longer ski. Hell my shortest ski is a 186. Waiting for my dyna/duke plates to mount up.

[Kya]

That's FKNA®! heh.

Maybe next year, Kya. Now that we have the factory dialed, I can see that happening.

FKNA Splat, I might have some $$ by then anyway! Martha says "Hi dude!"

[Kya]

I'm 5'6" and am NOT an accomplished skier. The 186 Lhasa's are not a difficult ski. Yes, they're not 'beginner skis' but as long as you're not aunt bertha driving from the fkn backseat, you'll be fine.

Man up and get 186's.


:the_finge :cool:

For flying around the resort, sure those sizes for me are not a problem, fun as shit. But I don't fly around the resort much, I'm mostly in the BC. I'm looking more towards touring and climbing to the top. My short legs have a hard time switchbacking on the longer skis. When they are on my back, they are dragging, banging, and catching on everything.

[tsproul]

It's given since I'm not an accomplished skier that I'm no backcountry nut either. I have done some sidecountry with my 186 and they were fine for me but I wasn't bushwacking through trees and dormant underbrush. I use a diagonal carry on my back. The Mystery Ranch packs are very nice. They're not the lightest packs around but I'd rather heft an extra pound to get a pack that fits and performs - this is a lesson learned from hiking. I kinda thought the 186's were overkill for me in softer snow - probably a combination of both length and width of the ski and the snow conditions since I've not had a chance to ride them in really light powder yet. Hence, I'm waiting for you fucktards to stop ordering Lhasa's so Splat's crew can press the 179's that are suppposed to be sporting a new core and all.

[bern43]

Just got my fed ex notification for a pair of 191s. I'll actually be able to ski them this year as I just got clearance from my doctor this morning. Fractured my shoulder again, but it's such a small fracture I can still ski. Very excited.

[SkiboyJ]

Just got my 191 shipping notice as well. Very stoked.

[swissbro]

Got two days on my 191s mounted with Dukes. Conditions were mostly hard pack and ice so it definitely wasn't what the skis were designed for, but they hold an edge like a razor in big GS turns and there is absolutely no chatter or tip flutter at speed. I didn't find any speed limit on them at all.

First time I've skied anything with carbon in it. Really like the extra pop they have compared to my glass models and the feel of the ride over rough snow at speed. Almost feels like I have a ski with some metal in it. Kind of combines the best features of a glass and metal skis.

The construction and finish on them are on a par with the 2007-2008 models made for PMGear by Aldo in Europe. All in all definitely another step up from Splat and PMGear.

[Ender]

Just got my 191 shipping notice as well. Very stoked. Ender likes this.


Got two days on my 191s mounted with Dukes...hold an edge like a razor in big GS turns...I didn't find any speed limit on them at all...definitely another step up from Splat and PMGear.

Ender likes this even more. :yourock:

[Tye 1on]

Got two days on my 191s mounted with Dukes. Conditions were mostly hard pack and ice so it definitely wasn't what the skis were designed for, but they hold an edge like a razor in big GS turns and there is absolutely no chatter or tip flutter at speed. I didn't find any speed limit on them at all.

First time I've skied anything with carbon in it. Really like the extra pop they have compared to my glass models and the feel of the ride over rough snow at speed. Almost feels like I have a ski with some metal in it. Kind of combines the best features of a glass and metal skis.

The construction and finish on them are on a par with the 2007-2008 models made for PMGear by Aldo in Europe. All in all definitely another step up from Splat and PMGear.

FKNA!!!!:D [up to $.09 Splat]

2mm isn't a big change to the tail width, can you even tell a difference? Sounds like the results worked if splat was trying for better hardpack performance...Thanks for the report!

[schwerty]

Don't turn as much. They can take the speed if you can.
That's the first thing I noticed about the 196.
The more tired I am, the faster I go.

Not that someone needs to confirm that you are correct about a ski you made but this is very true.

Just put a set of these things on and don't turn much. Let em go. The faster you go the easier they ski. I am able to make reasonably tight turns when I let them open up. At slower speeds I get worked trying to make any turns. They will likely aid in me getting my pass yanked if I ever take them out on a groomer day this season.

[blomeasap]

I skied my 191s today at Whistler. Only one day on them, so very limited feedback, but they really are the definition of all mountain ski. Conditions today included knee deep powder, skied out powder, windblown crust, groomed runs, icy runs down low, soft bumps, etc. These skis are rock solid in everything but bumps and ice. Great in powder (but need speed), awesome in skied out snow and windblown crust - just put the pedal to the metal and they go right above everything and it is like the run has been groomed for you. Groomed runs are fine as long as you go fast and like HUGE gs turns.

I guess the operative word here is fast. If you don't like to ski fast, you will not like these skis.

ONE MAJOR WORD OF PROPS to Splat and PM Gear - their customer service is AWESOME. Prompt pms and emails back and forth, skis delivered on time and the workmanship is excellent. I can't imagine a better experience in the process of buying skis online.

I'll probably post a more detailed review in about 10 days - here at Whistler til the new year...

[deeppo]

Mike Munno in Telluride.......

I seem to recall you sending me a change of address

Shoot me a mail NOT a pm with your updated addy.\

Your 191s will ship as soon as I get it.

Nice
I just emailed you my addy. Its probably the same one you have on file. Cant wait to ski them(it does need to snow though) Does anyone want to buy a lightly used pair of BD Justice?
deeppo

[StroupSkier]

The construction and finish on them are on a par with the 2007-2008 models made for PMGear by Aldo in Europe. All in all definitely another step up from Splat and PMGear.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[hossman]

FedEx Tracker yesterday, totally crazy psyched, thanks Splat! Due 12/30.... FKNA...

Also, thanks for the pic Splat, on the homepage... http://www.zipfit.com if anyone else has a good Mag pic, we'll try and rotate the homepage image regularly.

[splat]

Did I tell you how much I love my zipfits? FKNA!

[Tye 1on]

FKNA!

you owe Danno $.003. The hourly just ain't gonna cut it for him. ;)

[Adominable Snowman]

Something long and green was just delivered to my office, and it didn't come out of my nose. Stoked! Splat and co - you rule.

[nate s]

sorry if I'm a tard and missed it but whats the weight on the 191?

[jfost]

sorry if I'm a tard and missed it but whats the weight on the 191?

I think he's finishing them right now, so should be only a few weeks IIRC...








































heh. I dunno, someone will be along soon with your info...

[SkiboyJ]

I think the I saw somewhere the weight was right around 8lb.

Getting mine next week, so this may be another tard question, but is the optimal mounting point marked on these babies? If not, what's the measurement?

[nvr2deep]

It will be marked on the top sheet.

[splat]

sorry if I'm a tard and missed it but whats the weight on the 191?

sorry, I always click on edit instead of quote on my first post....


I tried to weigh some finished 191s the other day, but the scale was broken.
Maybe someone will weigh theirs before they mount them.
I imagine they'll come in around 4.25 - 4.4 lbs per ski.

edit: sounds like the natural large gs arc of the 191s on the grooms is held, in part, by that extra 2mm of tail width. The 186 has considerably less effective tail on it's shorter length and almost none of it holds you on the grooms (maybe, if you mount back a few cms), but will shorten a turn due to it's slarvier pintail. The 196 holds giant arcs naturally, with the same sidecut spread out over 10 more cms. I was shooting for the combo of a hardpack railer that would allow the pintail characteristics to come out in the powder with the 191. I haven't skied anything smooth enough yet to really feel what it's doing on the carve after tweaking my knee first day. I'll prolly give them the run around this week. Then I'll need some powder, please...

[deeppo]

191's are Hear. They look sick. Not as crazy light as my old wailers 105 but still very light. Flex seems perfect. I will try to weigh them before mounting.
deeppo

[splat]

Sorry about the bases being off color, deepo. I was haulin ass before Christmas to get them to you cause you were jonesin so hard earlier in the thread.

[deeppo]

Sorry about the bases being off color, deepo. I was haulin ass before Christmas to get them to you cause you were jonesin so hard earlier in the thread.

I never would have noticed that the basses being off color. I know you can not tell a lot about skis before skiing them but the shape and the flex look $$$. That tip also looks like its made to float
deeppo

[khyber.pass]

booooya'. the itch is settling in.

[Ender]

This may be a jong questions, but does the 191 production simply continue until all of us who ordered 191s over the past few months get the skis. Then you move on to pressing another model and filling those orders?

[splat]

yes, exactly. we would have moved into other models earlier, but the orders for Lhasas kept rolling in. To switch to other models while pressing one ski and go back and forth would cause even greater delays. But, if you're waiting for 191s, we're almost done with them.

[Ender]

Cool beans.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

191's being delivered...and no pics? post 'em up!

[splat]

Ty - there's a pair at Cornice Sports in KW. I had the first pair of protos with me when I was up there Sunday, so I left them for folks to try. In case you'd like to take them for a whirl....

[deeppo]

No pics yet.

I did weigh them. One ski was 4.52 and the other was 4.7. Pretty light. Not as light the 120's but very close.
deeppo

[vanisle]

A pic for Tyrone..
Mine aren't marked for boot-center,can someone give me a measurement?
The extra little bit in the tail is noticeable next to its siblings.
Weight of mine is 2032 and 2027g.Pretty damm close for what are probably a
proto pair with some minor blems.

[SkiboyJ]

Totally Effing bummed... Fedex bumped my delivery date back to the 31st, I'm leaving tomorrow afternoon for the long weekend, and it's supposed to snow a bunch NYE night :nonono2:

[splat]

186 - 104cm
191 - 107cm
196 - 110 cm

Tape pulled straight back from tip center, no bends.

Thanks for that pic, Colin!

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70815&d=1262134762

[Ender]

Those are dope picks.

Cool how the color transitions from green to blue when you see all three lengths together.

[Tye 1on]

Are ya thinking about adding that same 2mm tailtweak to the 186 and/or 196's down the road?

Happy birthday Splat, FKNA!!!!:D


[no royalty due if used in birthday wishes, ask danno ;)]

[splat]

Seriously believe that the additional 2 mm on the tails, possibly 2 mm less in the waist - or a combination of the two will make the Lhasas a little more friendly for people looking for better edgehold, easier turn initiation and still keep that powder slarve effect happening in the pow. These are some mods I'd like to test for next year. The Lhasa wants to be the best ski ever made. And we are well on our way to that.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=70815&d=1262134762

[amatog]

Sweet Shag too!

[splat]

That's what she said.

[ReadyToSki]

the Lhasa is already the best all-purpose ski ever made. I experience this every time I take them out- super short poppy turns are absolutely efortless yet the ski is super stable for directional riding. The skis do exactly what you tell em to do and with no effort on your side.

[Atrain505]

Do not take material out of the waist. That is all. 112 is a beautiful spot.

[RootSkier]

Do not take material out of the waist.

I have yet to ski the Lhasa but I agree just out of principle.

[splat]

Just so you know....I listen when you guys speak. Thanks for the input.

That's why they're maggot skis.

[Velillen]

IMO 2mm at the waist is pretty minimal. I doubt 99% of us would even notice going from 112 to 110. if it would add to how the ski, skis and make it easier for people it might be worth making a prototype or two to test out (same with the 2mm wider tail?) Its such a small difference in waist/tail widths that it wouldn't be overly noticeable except in how they then ski (ie easier to turn, edge hold). its worth looking into at least.

[time2clmb]

.....make it easier for people....

Another vote for not putting more side cut in there or taking anything from the waist. They are already easy to ski, why dumb them down at all for the masses...

[splat]

And that is the essence of my struggle. heh.

god, I need to quit being a mod if I can't keep from posting in other people's posts.

[vailcat]

This is a free country! Keep the lhasa's the way they are and when you take out the 2mm just call it something else.

Maybe lhasa GE for gaper edition or groomer edition. I don't know I sporting a pretty nasty hangover right now and am remembering all the reasons why I shoulda stayed in lastnight.

Also I couldnt find it but what is the turn radius now on the 191's. My 196's may have a new stablemate. FKNA at the rate im going with all these big sticks my stable is going to need another stable.

[Velillen]

i dont see why people are seeing 2mm as a huge deal? its the width of a penny off the waist. (well slightly more but not much) if it gives the lhasa even better edge hold for groomers/hard pack and doesn't effect its fun powder style i say why the heck not give it a try? so what am i missing? why are people seeing 2mm as a big change when i see it as a potential plus?

[ikkin]

That's what she said.

no, she said "make it in a 174!"

[RootSkier]

ikkin, check yo pms!

[ReadyToSki]

One, hopefully last, update on the Lhasa's.

Yesterday I've hit a big piece of metal barely covered with snow at full speed. Only a minor scratch to the bases and edges. Pretty impressive.

peace

[Crystal Skier]

This is a free country! Keep the lhasa's the way they are and when you take out the 2mm just call it something else.

Maybe lhasa GE for gaper edition or groomer edition. I don't know I sporting a pretty nasty hangover right now and am remembering all the reasons why I shoulda stayed in lastnight.

Also I couldnt find it but what is the turn radius now on the 191's. My 196's may have a new stablemate. FKNA at the rate im going with all these big sticks my stable is going to need another stable.

it'll be good for that nasty tude and hangover. There are alot of different sidecuts that still won't slow down a stud like yourself in pow pow. If Mike Wilson, Tim Dutton, and Jaime Pierre ride a 191 Lib T NAS Pow Recurve with dimensions of 153/117/143 and haul, huck whatever then rip controlled turns on the gnar what can a bit more versatility in the Lhasa hurt? Just sayin Splat could bump dimensions 3/0/4 and you would still rip. It would still be a core maggi ski. Maybe your right he should call it something else. Maybe g-slasher (gaper slasher) or simply Lhasa GS Pow. Evolution FKNA.

[vailcat]

it'll be good for that nasty tude and hangover. There are alot of different sidecuts that still won't slow down a stud like yourself in pow pow. If Mike Wilson, Tim Dutton, and Jaime Pierre ride a 191 Lib T NAS Pow Recurve with dimensions of 153/117/143 and haul, huck whatever then rip controlled turns on the gnar what can a bit more versatility in the Lhasa hurt? Just sayin Splat could bump dimensions 3/0/4 and you would still rip. It would still be a core maggi ski. Maybe your right he should call it something else. Maybe g-slasher (gaper slasher) or simply Lhasa GS Pow. Evolution FKNA.

I didnt know it had any tude'.

Just saying they are a sweet stik already and I was thinkin they could keep the original dimensions and if they have a better idea just call it something else and also make the old dimensions available. Dunno if this is economically feasible or not either way my hangovers gone and the sun is coming up in the morning. Calmer than you are.:)

[Hicks]

Do not take material out of the waist. That is all. 112 is a beautiful spot.

Quoted for truth!

I could even imagine adding 4 in the tail and 2 mm in the waist, that would make for a smoking gun.

[splat]

Hicks - did they ever get you your 191s? That was supposed to be a 24 hour delivery and I got an update saying you don't have them yet.

[NorthernSpotted...]

Splat,

Did you press any extra 186s? I'm starting to feel like I need to make yet another financially irresponsible ski purchase.

[splat]

No, but another round of pressing starts this week and will continue for another 150 pair of all sizes, starting with 191s. You'd be second in line if you order now. Thought I had a pair on their way back from Finland (mag who ordered 191s and got sent 186s by mistake) but he couldn't stand looking at them and mounted them up. The Lhasas have been quite popular again this year.

[Crystal Skier]

I didnt know it had any tude'.

Just saying they are a sweet stik already and I was thinkin they could keep the original dimensions and if they have a better idea just call it something else and also make the old dimensions available. Dunno if this is economically feasible or not either way my hangovers gone and the sun is coming up in the morning. Calmer than you are.:)

Highly caffeinated my bad :) patrol got mad at me that morning and added a little stress, but ya know maybe we're onto something there Cat. Maybe Splat will build a 'Splat-a-Licious' model leaving the Lhasa the Lhasa or with a minor tweak. Possibly modify the 192 BRO that I've had bouncing around in the back of this empty noggin for months now. Bring that waist in a touch and/or leave it and bump the tip and tail a bit. Or don't.

[StroupSkier]

Possibly modify the 192 BRO that I've had bouncing around in the back of this empty noggin for months now. Bring that waist in a touch and/or leave it and bump the tip and tail a bit.

Oh uh.......

[bennettc14]

The new 192s have slight tip and tail rocker and of course carbon....geeettt some. :yourock:

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/bennettc001/DSCN1230.jpg

http://i644.photobucket.com/albums/uu166/bennettc001/DSCN1234.jpg[/QUOTE]

[splat]

Highly caffeinated my bad :) patrol got mad at me that morning and added a little stress, but ya know maybe we're onto something there Cat. Maybe Splat will build a 'Splat-a-Licious' model leaving the Lhasa the Lhasa or with a minor tweak. Possibly modify the 192 BRO that I've had bouncing around in the back of this empty noggin for months now. Bring that waist in a touch and/or leave it and bump the tip and tail a bit. Or don't.
Phase two of this conversation: 'Changing of the quiv'
Have a 2010 pair of Lib Tech NAS Pow Recurves for sale w/Rossi Ti 140 Pro's 120mm wide brakes. Would like to take a pair of 192 BRO's or the 91 Lhasa to Whistler 3rd week of Jan. Splat I'll pm ya tomorrow or buzz me if you read this. anyone interested in the NAS pow's can email me at myskipals@comcast.net

We have one pair of 192s left. They are not rockered, but they are carbons and they are schweeeet.

[bennettc14]

Funny how this is a thread about people who purchased or own Bros and he's trying to slang some shitty Lib Techs...

[2FUNKY]

Way to cunt a perfectly good thread you dumbass fucker. Take your NAS shit and put them in the right spot, GEAR SWAP!
I swear to fucking christ, the fucking Jong's these days.


fuck it just blow your brains out so your family and society doesn't have to deal with your sorry ass.

You must be talking to yourself. Please do it!

[nate s]

fuck it just blow your brains out so your family and society doesn't have to deal with your sorry ass.

JOTD?

Hey Splat, any chance you'll have some lhasa blems available? I NEED these but $$$ is tight at the moment...

[2FUNKY]

Splat,
How much should a guy detune the tips and tails in in.? Looking into some 196's but have never tuned a milti dimension ski. Maybe someone else can chime in as well. I searched but came up empty.

[gonehuckin]

wait, there is only one pair of 192s left ever?

[Tye 1on]

Splat,
How much should a guy detune the tips and tails in in.? Looking into some 196's but have never tuned a milti dimension ski. Maybe someone else can chime in as well. I searched but came up empty.

This thread had some good Bro tuning tips/thoughts, not sure if it was Lhasa specific. Or if it makes a difference...

[2FUNKY]

Scoped that thread but it is specific to the 179 and squirely issues the OP was having. I am looking for something specific to the Lhasa.

[Crystal Skier]

[QUOTE=bennettc14;2685158]Funny how this is a thread about people who purchased or own Bros and he's trying to slang some shitty Lib Techs...[/QU

shitty??? actually they're not but truly understand the nature of things here. A real epiphany. I stand corrected. posts deleted

[splat]

JOTD?

Hey Splat, any chance you'll have some lhasa blems available? I NEED these but $$$ is tight at the moment...

They don't happen very often anymore. You can get on the blem reserve list, but sounds like it'd be dicey.


Splat,
How much should a guy detune the tips and tails in in.? Looking into some 196's but have never tuned a milti dimension ski. Maybe someone else can chime in as well. I searched but came up empty.

With the rocker and the nose the way it is, along with the semi pintail, I don't feel a need to detune, but that's just me. Having full edge allows you to rail big turns on groomers with a bite. I wouldn't want any less bite, personally.


wait, there is only one pair of 192s left ever?


That's right. carbons, no rocker. They are cherry. Came out really schweet this year.

[2FUNKY]

^ Got it, makes sense to me.

[da sponge]

I bought the 174s last year and love them. I'm going to be out at Kirkwood in Feb - I'm assuming Cornice has the 186/will have 191s for demo?

[otto parts]

they have them now.

[gonehuckin]

That's right. carbons, no rocker. They are cherry. Came out really schweet this year.

Well hopefully someone snatches those before I get back at the end of feb or I might have to buy and stash them as a back-up to the pair I have and love oh so much......

[Mathematics]

Hey Pat - any update on the remaining 191s? I ordered late & am probably towards the bottom of your list, just curious where you're at.

thx

[splat]

Hey Pat - any update on the remaining 191s? I ordered late & am probably towards the bottom of your list, just curious where you're at.

thx

They should ship in the next 15 days, Mathematics. Won't be long at all.

[Hicks]

What I noticed compared to my early 186 Carbon Protos is that the camber became more traditional and the early tip rise is less total - both features I particulary liked on the 186. The flex - especially in the tip area - also seemed to have stiffened up.

Not quite certain yet whether all these changes are for the better - at least in the pow. Will mount them up and ski for comparison, so results pending.

[altabird92]

any reviews of the 191's?

[Ender]

There are some short ones roaming around this thread. Page 3,5...

[splat]

I took StuntCok to Squaw today and he skied 191s. He said he'd throw up a review.
We had a lot of fun, even though it ended on a rainy note.

Here's his review: Review: 196 and 191 Lhasa Pow - Teton Gravity Research Forums

[altabird92]

Stunkcoks review sounds pretty awesome. Im demoed a lhasa and the 192, and I loved both, so the decision is difficult. What is the weight of the carbon 192?

[LARRY01]

Splat,
Any chance a pair of 191's end up at the ski renter in Mammoth??

[splat]

Splat,
Any chance a pair of 191's end up at the ski renter in Mammoth??


Maybe the pair Stunts skied after I get done having my way with them.

[Sinecure]

Splat, any update on when you'll be able to ship some 191s?

[SkiNowWorkLater]

Splat, any update on when you'll be able to ship some 191s?

I've been wondering too...

[Ender]

Got my fedex notification yesterday for my 191s. I have wood. :yourock:

[bern43]

Splat, got the 191s last week. One quick question. One of the tips had a two inch scratch in it when they arrived. Could have happened in shipping. It looks like uppermost material on the top sheet is rippling a little. Obviously not a huge deal but wanted to make sure that this isn't something that I should be concerned about before I mount them up.

[splat]

That's wierd. Can't imagine what would have caused that. If they're not mounted and you want to send them back for another pair, the last 191 run for a while is being finished right now and is getting stoneground over the weekend. Not many orders left to fill and we made a bunch of extra pairs, so no problem. If you mounted them, just ski them. If it gets worse, send them in at the end of the season.

[oftpiste]

^^^^^
Customer service 101.

[bern43]

That's wierd. Can't imagine what would have caused that. If they're not mounted and you want to send them back for another pair, the last 191 run for a while is being finished right now and is getting stoneground over the weekend. Not many orders left to fill and we made a bunch of extra pairs, so no problem. If you mounted them, just ski them. If it gets worse, send them in at the end of the season.

It's relatively minor, but since they're not mounted yet and it sounds like you have some extras, I think I'll just send them in for a swap. I really appreciate it. Should I just send the one ski? If so, can you put the small flat spot on the tail again?

FKNA customer service!!! (sorry couldn't find the trademark key:))

[splat]

Send both. Minor variances in flex, graphics and camber amongst a large number of skis means you'll want to make sure what we send you is match on all fronts.

[bern43]

/\ Will do. I'll send them out tomorrow. Thanks again!!

[Tye 1on]

trigger=pulled. Whaaaaaaaahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vailcat]

Trigger pulled too....again!!!!!

Promise to give some 196 191 feedback when they get bolted on to my legs.

Must say that the more I have thought about it the more I think the 191 will be the everday go to ski. Lots of reasons but I will explain lluego!!!!

Tye you will be very happy with these bad toads!

[deeppo]

Weight update
So I had to return my original 191's that I received which was painless and quick. Just got my new pair. The pair weighed in at 8lbs 9oz. Im going to mount them with dukes and hopefully they will replace my obsethed as my everyday ski.
deeeppo

[splat]

Check the boot centerline on those, Deepo. A few pair got marked at 104 cm (the 186 mark) instead of 107 (the 191 mark). That's tape pulled straight back from the center of the tip.

[SkiNowWorkLater]

Hey Pat- any update on if the rest of the 191's will ship this week? Chances of getting them for the weekend??

[splat]

Hey Pat- any update on if the rest of the 191's will ship this week? Chances of getting them for the weekend??

Most of them went in for stonegrinding today.
The rest go in tomorrow.
They're supposed to be done Wednesday.
Unless they're shipping to Tahoe, it doesn't look good.

[UTpowder]

Whats being pressed next?

[Tye 1on]

spliffs. ;)

[ludwigk]

When are these going to be available on the PM Gear site?

[SouthCentralShralper]

Splat- Any word on when you guys are start pressing the 183 BROs?

[Mathematics]

just got mine today these things are dead sexy!!!

[dingjong]

Do you have something to prove our words with?

[splat]

Splat- Any word on when you guys are start pressing the 183 BROs?

183 bases arrive Thursday and we are on it. The topsheets might get hung up, so if we don't have them, we'll press them with 188 topsheets. The design work on the 183 has been a bitch but we got it sorted out last week and the only thing slowing us down is the bases. They'll get the same base metal insert/die cut in the nose as Lhasas and the same carbon/glass layup. They will rock really fukking hard this year...

[Tye 1on]

Design work? Like...multi-dimensional recalibrative design work? Did i miss the memo/thread/posts? What do they look like?

[splat]

Yeah, Tye, we ran out of LSD and that proved critical to our design work.

For now, they'll look something like this:

[SouthCentralShralper]

183 bases arrive Thursday and we are on it. The topsheets might get hung up, so if we don't have them, we'll press them with 188 topsheets. The design work on the 183 has been a bitch but we got it sorted out last week and the only thing slowing us down is the bases. They'll get the same base metal insert/die cut in the nose as Lhasas and the same carbon/glass layup. They will rock really fukking hard this year...

Nice... looking forward to a few insider pics. Keep us posted! I don't really need a new ski mountaineering ski... but I want one!
Cheers

[Mathematics]

Do you have something to prove our words with?

Fair enough

comparison shot to my goats (191s), volkl obviously measures a bit liberally...

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2318/dsc0225q.jpg

...oh ya goats now for sale

[splat]

Getting ready to ship the last load of 191s in the next two days.

Anybody else got some time on them who can post their impressions?

[Tye 1on]

Getting ready to ship the last load of 191s in the next two days.


Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!!! FKNA!!!!:D

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll263/kecky107/PTSD-SCOOBY-DOO-5.jpg

[dingjong]

Oh, yeah! That is fucking awesome!

[splat]

Things have a way of working out.
Now that the snow is finally here.....


IT IS SAFE TO SKI!

[Sinecure]

Splat, can I pick up my 191 Lhasa's this weekend at your shop? Haven't seen any emails from you about shipping. Paypal was sent on 1/17 per your instructions.

Heck, if they're ready, I'll come by tonight if you'll be there a little late. I could get to Reno by 6 or 6:30.

[splat]

Just got done pressing the first pair of 183s. They're cooling in the rack.
Had to hustle, as I have to get a pair of these to the UK by Friday, so they can take off for Japan Saturday.

Whaddaya think guys?

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72851&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72852&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72853&stc=1&d=1264906357

[vailcat]

I think the adjective I'm looking for is.........
TITTTTTIIIEEESS!!!!!!!!!!!


Just got done pressing the first pair of 183s. They're cooling in the rack.
Had to hustle, as I have to get a pair of these to the UK by Friday, so they can take off for Japan Saturday.

Whaddaya think guys?

I think the adjective I'm looking for is.........
TITTTTTIIIEEESS!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72851&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72852&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72853&stc=1&d=1264906357

[SITSKIER]

Oh fuck my wife is going to kill me, I want those.

[dingjong]

I think the adjective I'm looking for is.........
TITTTTTIIIEEESS!!!!!!!!!!!


Kwoteed for trooth! ;D

[ColoMike]

That is just dead sexy. I have seen my next pair of skis.

[SouthCentralShralper]

sick... definitely want a pair!

[splat]

They'll be stoneground Monday, hopefully, and I'll throw up a pic of the finished product before they go out. They'll look more like skis.

[Tye 1on]

This is the 191 thread jong. ;)

[Crampedon]

This is the 191 thread jong. ;)

Yeah but look at the Pm logo in the metal tips... Cherry... Bra, so unreal, I like one pair...:cool:

[SouthCentralShralper]

Pat- when you get more pics start a new thread with these babies!
Less searching = more stoke!

[deeppo]

Getting ready to ship the last load of 191s in the next two days.

Anybody else got some time on them who can post their impressions?

I only have three days on them. Mix of deep pow, crud, soft bumps and some harder bumps. So far so good. Took me a few runs to get used to the feel compared to the obsethed. Float in pow seemed very good but conditions did not allow me to open it up in the untracked(still too rocky in GH1). Very happy with the length. I could see going to the 196 but not to the 186.
Being so light they turn on a dime(best bump ski ive skied in a few years)
They do not seem as forgiving as the obsethed(I do have 120 days on the obsethed so time will tell) There is something about the soft flex on the obsethed that just roll over all types of terrain and snow that the stiffer lhasas get bumped around slightly more. The stiffer flex(lhasas are not stiff but stiffer) does allow them to hold a better edge and does have a more precise feel.

Overall
If you are deciding between the 186 or 191 get the 191(not that I have skied the 186). It does not ski long and turns on a dime

My knees like the light weight skis(even with dukes)

This ski could be an everyday ski at most western mountains
More to come with more time on the skis
deeppo

[GlimmerIII]

FKNA-The old school bases are SICK!

[Zeppelinskier]

Whaddaya think guys?

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72851&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72852&stc=1&d=1264906357


http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=72853&stc=1&d=1264906357

Beautiful! like the new graphics, cant wait to ski it!

[Spyderjon]

Just got done pressing the first pair of 183s. They're cooling in the rack.
Had to hustle, as I have to get a pair of these to the UK by Friday, so they can take off for Japan Saturday.

Whaddaya think guys?
They'll do :biggrin:

[SkiboyJ]

I've had a couple of days on my 191's in varied conditions, so I'll throw my opinions on as well.

Background - 200lb, 5'9" athletic, former racer.
Comparison skis
- 176 Atomic Nomad Crimson - Daily Driver for EC
- 187 High Society FR - Daily Driver for WC

Overall impressions - In fresh/crud, these things rock. They don't ski at all like a 191, they're light as hell, and you can turn them on a dime as deepo says. They float on anything but still have power to crash through tracked out crud. At the moment, I am a little disappointed with big turn on hardpack performance. In the absence of fresh, I've been unable to get them to arc big turns on hard/groomed snow. I've been told 186's do do this...it just takes some time to get used to it. So at the moment, I'm subject to short turns without great edge hold on hardpack.

Conditions with impressions
- 1 day of variable fresh/tracked inbounds in VT - Loved the Lhasa 191 this day. They ate up anything that was thrown at them. This was right after NYE and we were getting steady but light snow. Ropes were dropped everywhere (whether they should have been or not) so they went pretty much everywhere and performed admirably.

- 1 day of fresh slackcountry woods in VT (hike from lift) - they performed great this day too. You can't really appreciate how tight EC woods are until you're in them, but you absolutely have to be able to make short turns. As mentioned above, these are absolutely no problem with the Lhasa 191. They floated through 12-18" untracked fresh in the woods no problem and still allowed plenty of maneuverability to deal with the tightly packed trees (they only thing they don't do is face block for you).

- 2 days of hardpack (1 Jackson Hole, 1 Targhee) - As mentioned above, I was pretty disappointed with the Lhasas on these days as I can't get them to arc big turns. I'm comparing to the HSFR 187 which I had in Summit County last year having a blast laying down huge railroad tracks when there was no new snow. The HSFR 87 can't make short turns to save their life, but they make great big turns.

- 2 days of Fresh at Jackson (right before the 5' :nonono2:) - Again the Lhasa's shined here as expected. Tips float over whatever you can throw at them, and their light weight makes they easy to carry.

All in all, very happy with the 191's in new snow, and not quite as happy with hardpack performance - but that might just be my skills and not the skis. I'll keep at the big turns to see if I can't find a sweetspot I haven't yet realized. I'm also wondering if a tune might help.


I only have three days on them. Mix of deep pow, crud, soft bumps and some harder bumps. So far so good. Took me a few runs to get used to the feel compared to the obsethed. Float in pow seemed very good but conditions did not allow me to open it up in the untracked(still too rocky in GH1). Very happy with the length. I could see going to the 196 but not to the 186.
Being so light they turn on a dime(best bump ski ive skied in a few years)
They do not seem as forgiving as the obsethed(I do have 120 days on the obsethed so time will tell) There is something about the soft flex on the obsethed that just roll over all types of terrain and snow that the stiffer lhasas get bumped around slightly more. The stiffer flex(lhasas are not stiff but stiffer) does allow them to hold a better edge and does have a more precise feel.

Overall
If you are deciding between the 186 or 191 get the 191(not that I have skied the 186). It does not ski long and turns on a dime

My knees like the light weight skis(even with dukes)

This ski could be an everyday ski at most western mountains
More to come with more time on the skis
deeppo

[Mustonen]

I'm also wondering if a tune might help.

This. I picked up a pair of 196's secondhand, and they had some mad detune in the tips and tails (never seen an edge that round). Not sure if they came like that from pmgear or if the previous user had done that. Anyhow, had much the same experience as you until I knocked out that detune. Now they do pretty good at medium to long turns on hardpack (for a 196 pintail), and my distinct impression is that if they had just a tit more tail like the 191's they'd do better still. I'm not railing turns, mind you, but I'm still able to get into that poppy carbon on the hardpack.

[dingjong]

who cares 'bout railing fuckin' turns on lhasa's. There are better areas of employment for them.

I am really surprised they can handle tight trees.

[Mustonen]

who cares 'bout railing fuckin' turns on lhasa's. There are better areas of employment for them.

I am really surprised they can handle tight trees.

I dunno. railing turns is better than not railing turns... I think?

I've been pretty impressed w/ the 196 versatility. Really easy ski that can charge. Sounds like the 191s have taken that +1.

[splat]

I dunno what might be going on with the tune on your 196s, but I rail the shit out of them on the grooms (and off grooms). You just gotta remember that they have a 39 meter radius, so they rail like a crazy train at warp mach in big freakin arcs.

[vailcat]

my 196"s do rail indeed just get after them and then a little more and they are as good at railing as anything else. As splat said they are just big arcs at mach looney toons. Im really looking fwd to the 191's to see how they do it all. Should have them out by the weekend. Challenger is skiing sweet right now and a 191 may be the end all for that lift.

[splat]

This. I picked up a pair of 196's secondhand, and they had some mad detune in the tips and tails (never seen an edge that round). Not sure if they came like that from pmgear or if the previous user had done that. Anyhow, had much the same experience as you until I knocked out that detune. Now they do pretty good at medium to long turns on hardpack (for a 196 pintail), and my distinct impression is that if they had just a tit more tail like the 191's they'd do better still. I'm not railing turns, mind you, but I'm still able to get into that poppy carbon on the hardpack.

I think someone detuned them because they wanted an easier swing for short turns and perhaps the lhasa was not what they expected. But I caught about 8-10 inches of pow in the trees at Heavenly last week on them and that reminded how fast they come alive once the fresh is hit. They made screaming through the trees really fun because they get much more maneuverable in the soft. You wanna hit a big fresh bowl at mach? 196 will make you think you're in your bedroom slippers.

[Mustonen]

I think someone detuned them because they wanted an easier swing for short turns and perhaps the lhasa was not what they expected. But I caught about 8-10 inches of pow in the trees at Heavenly last week on them and that reminded how fast they come alive once the fresh is hit. They made screaming through the trees really fun because they get much more maneuverable in the soft. You wanna hit a big fresh bowl at mach? 196 will make you think you're in your bedroom slippers.

I've been pretty impressed with 'em. wasn't knocking their hard snow performance at all, and those tip and tail edges still need some more elbow grease and a file.

I was also surprised at how easy they were in the trees. Wasn't expecting that.

Anyhow, sorry to turn this into the 196 thread.