Full ACL Tear

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Saw my ortho this afternoon....Diagnosis:

Complete ACL tear.
Medial meniscus tear.
Bone bruising

Next appt. Oct. 13th to see the surgeon.


......you guys might not hear from me for awhile, because this computer is about to get thrown out my window while I ransack this room....then I'm drinking.......fuck.

[irul&ublo]

That blows Tyrone. Sorry to hear it.

Who is the surgeon?

[seldon]

I'm sorry dude - it always sucks to hear bad news, especially ski season endangering bad news. I know you'll pound that rehab into the ground and be back out on those skis ripping the shit as hardcore as ever. Good luck and the best of vibes sent.

[slim]

fucking bummer.

[jibij]

dammit, shoe. That really sucks.
Best of luck. Heal up right!

[Clack]

Once again, sorry to hear it.


Originally posted by irul&ublo

Who is the sturgeon?

It's me. My name is Herman

http://www.csun.edu/~hcgeo007/sturgeon.jpg

[altachic]

FACK:mad:

I hate hearing this news and i know that there isn't much any of us can say to make you feel better, but you know that so many of us have been in this exact place, myself included.

I took a deep breath and realized that yep, my knee is blown, but there is nothing that can change that, so it helped me to keep a positive attitude and i swear my motivation to be a better skier and work hard to make it strong after surgery was huge.

I am more motivated now than i ever have been.

You will learn from this, no matter if you think this is a bullshit statement or not and you will never, ever take advantage of skiing and all it's aspects ever again.

Good luck and i'm thinking of you.:D

[13]

Sorry, Shoe. :(

I'm motivated to stretch the hell out of my leg muscles and work out like a fiend every time I hear about season-ending knee injuries.

[Kellie]

Damn!!! Looking on the bright side, you have a rad new bike, and will be back in time for spring touring!!!

Serious bummer, but I know you'll make the best of the situation :-)

[Castro's]

Ty, that royaly sucks, but don't get too down. I went in to get my meniscus repaired two years ago on October 15th. They told me before surgery I would be walking just fine in a week. A week later I go in for my post-op check up on crutches wondering why the hell I can't walk. The doctor informs me that when I went in they found a major bone bruise and had to basically scoop out the end of my femur (right in the joint) in order to get the bone to grow back. He told me I wouldn't be skiing that winter. I stayed on crutches until the middle of November, and then I started doing rehab at home everyday. January 1 I was skiing 3 foot fresh at Alta and The Bird. With a speedy recovery you are looking at 2 weeks for the meniscus, 4-6 for the ACL and the bone bruise will very depending on how bad it is. I realize that what I just wrote isn't the greatest news, but I have full confidence you will be skiing at 90% by January 1st. Good Luck and if you have any questions feel free to pm me.

[Trackhead]

Tough news.

Heel fast in mind and body.

[bdog]

That's a tough one. Had my knee done two season's back. rehab is a bitch, but much better than a shoulder if that is any consolation. Tore my right rotator a number of years ago and THAT rehab really bites. Hang tough, and you will be skiing by January. My sympathy and good vibes are with you. For now, drinking definately helps.;)

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by bdog
. Had my knee done two season's back. rehab is a bitch, but much better than a shoulder if that is any consolation. Tore my right rotator a number of years ago and THAT rehab really bites.

heh....I'm still in the process of rehabbing my shoulder after popping it out in July. Just recently graduated from therabands to free weights...and yes, it bites :(

irul -- Dr. Marter. Kings doctor. Coulda went for Heiden, but he wasn't available until November.

thanks everyone....going out on the bike now while there's still an hour of light left. Got a century (www.auburncentury.com) with 10,000 ft of climbing to ride this weekend :)

[Cornholio]

Damn. Damn, dood.

A lot of us have been there and know what you're up against. Listen to AC and the others-- you've got a rough spell ahead, but you will be back strong.

And, you can get yourself a new computer now, which is nice.

[gincognito]

So sorry to hear that. Hopefully you can get the surgery asap and grab a few days towards the end of the season. After that, I see you ripping up South America to make up for the early season losses.

Best of luck and positivity sent your way.

Sick and ashamed and happy (and the club keeps getting bigger),
d.

[natty dread]

Bummer shoe.
I know it won't be easy this winter, with those bro models staring at you as they lean up against the wall. But you'll come back stronger than before, and until then, you've got plenty of maggots to lean on who have been there (and for drinking buddies). Hit that rehab HARD dude.

[meatdrink9]

That blows!!! Is this from that evening of soccer? This totally sucks. The kid's part of company that develops a new ski for this season and then he get's sidelined before getting to use it. Damn that's rough. Here's hoping for a speedy recovery. I was hoping you'd enter the bird comp with me. :(

[phUnk]

Quick healing wishes to ya Shoe!

[Schmear]

Well when Shoe does it, he REALLY does it.

http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic14382.jpg

Sorry to hear this. You'll come back stronger, like Steve Austin.

[DJSapp]

Damn Shoe, sorry to hear that. Heal up quick.

[funkendrenchman]

That sucks dude. My guess is you tore your ACL awhile ago and just recently tore your meniscus because your ACL was gone. That's how it went for me.

Get at that rehab within a day of surgery and dont stop.... I know you wont. With your attitude you'll be making spring turns for sure!

[PeachesN'Cream]

fuck fuck fuck!

and in other news... FUCK!

[shamrockpow]

That sucks dude. But ask AC if you can borrow her attitude to get you through the winter!

Oh, and all the money you'll save should take you far next summer on the annual Splatitude through SA...

[freshie247]

Sorry to hear that Ty,
Commune with the knee healing shaman ,& be positive.

[Karl Stall]

Sorry, bro - that sucks.

I second the idea of borrowing Liz's attitude for a while - channel those positive vibes.

[splat]

I refuse to accept this. I simply fucking refuse to accept this.

[Alkasquawlik]

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Heal quick there buddy. If you want I'll call Kent to see about who he and Skogen went to for some super-speedy, super-new-age rehab thingy. Kent was claiming to me that this guy doing his rehab can get you back in 245% quicker time.

...there probably some info in his interviews and articles too.

[Superstar Punani]

Sorry to hear that Shoe....Positive vibes coming your way.....you''ll be back before you know it.


[Cue twilight zone theme] I remember Buzzworthy's warning- those who organize a Summit sit out the next season. Rusty Nails, Buzzworthy, and now Shoe. Here's some preemptive positive vibes for TGR and Frz for the Jackson Summit!

[lph]

i'm speechless, really. :( I don't what to say, except i am sorry. As AC said, you will learn from this, you will come back stronger. some of the healthiest people out there are those who have had to come back from a serious injury or illness.

Good luck.

[DJSapp]

So I guess we won't see your extremo backcountry skills in the Kirkwood terrain park anytime soon. Even after you went blowing your own horn to the powdermag editors. What a letdown.

Heal fast my man.

[Arty50]

Originally posted by gincognito
After that, I see you ripping up South America to make up for the early season losses.

Listen to this man!!!!!! Don't think, just do. Trust me...

I'm sooooo sorry to hear about this though. The bad soccer mojo has taken one of if not the best from us. But alas it is only temporary. Heal up quick, sir. We can't wait to have you back!

[Odin]

WHAT?!!?!?!? @#$@#% This is what I miss when I am off the board for a week, and this winter being the first time I will be in tahoe visiting for maggotizing around the wood?

[fiddler]

Sorry Ty, you'll be back before you know it. That probably sounds dumb at this point but you'll get there.

[Theodore]

PMA, man PMA. Positive mental attitude. It really helps alot. Push as hard as you can, get it as strong as possible and work that ROM even though it hurts like a bitch. Best of luck and keep your head up. It really does make a difference. On a plus note, if you can figure out how to dance on crutches, girls really dig it. Just watch out for the slick tile floors....

[skier666]

Awesome, killer, FKNA....that's some rad news....

wait.....no its not!

nooooooooooooooo.........who the hell is going to represent team bulletproof with me this early season?

I've been there man....

...that's when I bought the turntables.:D

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by skier666


nooooooooooooooo.........who the hell is going to represent team bulletproof with me this early season?


well, the man is named hardrider for a reason ;)

md9 -- yeah its soccer the injury and yeah the Bro's...thebro'sthebro'sthebro'sthebro's.....

funken -- yeah maybe, this doc actually said that its pretty common to tear the meniscus with an ACL injury though. whatever. it's done.

alka -- tried sending you a pm about KK & Skogen's therapy, but your box if full. If you can find anything out about the techniques they used I'd sure appreciate it.

everyone else -- thanks for the vibes...they really mean a lot.

This news really floored me. I'm amazed at how pain free I am right now considering what's disconnected, torn, and what not right now in my knee. I've been punishing myself on the bike lately....I took numerous mtb spills with the injury a few weeks back....I'm playing goalie now for my soccer team (only 1 goal scored against in 3 games :) ) since I didn't want to 'play it safe' and not play on the field. The swelling is nealy gone. I'm just pretty floored. And I'm pissed. Very fucking pissed....but that's ok. I can be angry guy for awhile. If that's gonna be my fuel to get through this then so be it. Fuck this knee.

Unfortunately what to do next just isn't that clear to me know. Doc says that if I weren't that aggressive a skier he'd say I can ski on it know. He asked if I would be able to mentally hold myself back if I were to not get surgery and ski on it. He asked if I wanted to put myself in a no-fall situation and have my knee give out while making a critical turn. I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do.

[rightcoast]

Fuck...Ty Im sorry to hear this news.
Youre a great athlete, rehab, and youre back on top of shiz before you know it.
Positive thoughts and vibes sent.

[Nohillsnearby]

Quick healing vibes, Tyrone.

[bdog]

Ty,
I'd go for the surgery. If you were just some joey you could ski and live fine with out an acl. I know an ortopod who used to cut first and ask questions later (excellent surgeon BTW). A few years ago he went to a conference and came back with a new philosophy. He told me most people don't need an acl. However, for athletes, for skiers like you who will always push it hard; yes an acl is a very good thing indeed. Keep the positive attitude, rehab, rehab and rehab and you will be fine. Since you have been through a shoulder rehab you will find knees much better. ROM comes back sooner, it is a much simpler joint. Be strong. Vibes sent your way.

[Telenater]

Fuck!

Call me if you need a drinking partner.

We won't let you disappear entirely.

[Buster Highmen]

Tres bummoir dood. Exactly what I did at Kookwood 3 + years ago. Mine never hurt either.

Acknowledge your anger, have a rager, then get set to fix it. Find the best surgeon you can. Spring turns are possible.

[Greydon Clark]

Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
I don't know what the hell I'm gonna do.

Don't be a pussy, sack up and ski.

[splat]

Get the Makita......

I can't stand to see him sit it out.

[hardrider]

:( :( :( :(


Damnit.

Im so sorry to hear this man.


Watch High Life and see what Will Burkes is doing without an ACL or go back and watch some of Evan Dybvigs runs in the '98 Olympics, sans ACL. Eventually its gonna need fixed but who says you cant get a month or two out of it before they surgurize you.

[Darkside]

Sorry to hear that dude. Sounds like you're the kinda guy who'll work real hard and be ripping again in no time.

I would try and track down the guy KK is working with, he seemed to be coming along pretty well when he came in the shop this summer

[the_eleven]

Turn the negative into a positive. Relax. Enjoy the chance to train your body hard. Smile, Laugh! You get to take some good, strong drugs.

You are lucky, for you have tasted the nectar of pow, and this will strengthen your intention to heal.

You WILL be back, better than before.

[hardrider]

Originally posted by hardrider

Watch High Life and see what Will Burkes is doing without an ACL or go back and watch some of Evan Dybvigs runs in the '98 Olympics, sans ACL. Eventually its gonna need fixed but who says you cant get a month or two out of it before they surgurize you.




I like the way this guy thinks, seems like a really good point he makes here.

[gimpy]

goddamn shoe. i feel for ya mang. :(

[Theodore]

Originally posted by the_eleven
Turn the negative into a positive. Relax. Enjoy the chance to train your body hard. Smile, Laugh! You get to take some good, strong drugs.

You are lucky, for you have tasted the nectar of pow, and this will strengthen your intention to heal.

You WILL be back, better than before.

These are the words you need to listen to. Keeper calm an dtake care of the only body you have. Time will be around forever for you to screw the ol ACL up on again...

[Bum Z]

That does suck. My words of wisdom are to take it easy, rehab strong, stretch a lot - make sure you get range of motion back, and don't overdo it. If you rehab well, you'll be 100%. If you damage it further by doing too much, it could suck a lot more in the long term. I'll see you next week, right?

[CS]

Damn Tyrone, sucks to hear that. I don't know one way or the other, but if it were me, I'd just have the surgery and get it over with. As many have said, spring turns can be in your future. Best of luck to ya man and heal fast.

[G]

You'll be even stronger upon your return. Have some fun doing other things untill then. A few extra months of summer won't be that bad. I'll come down there and do a MTB ride or two with ya.

[Big E]

Damn Ty, that sucks. Can't add much to what's already been said, there's waaayyyyy too much knowledge about this on here. I'd be interested to hear about whatever it was Kreitler was doing, too.

And damn Punani, forgetting about me and altachic too (she helped on the Utah mini, right?). I'm hurt.

[Vinman]

Ty get the surgery,

You would really risk further injuy to the knee if you do not have it fixed. Things like further mensicus damage or tears to other ligaments or worse damage to the surface of the joint if you go out and ski hard on it, or get into a situation like your doc said, no fall zone and the knee gives out, you'd be luck to get away with only further knee damage. I know so many others have already said this and there is alot of knowledge on this board, but get it done. The one season you miss will be well worth it when you have a strong and stable knee that will last you the rest of you life. If I can do anything from here please ask.

[basom]

welcome to the party. its not a very fun party, and no one is dancing.

At least you know whats up and can now make a decicive move. its tough, but once focused on the greater goal of having a healthy knee that will last you untill you are old and grey the smaller things seem less shitty. giving up some or even all of this season is a small sacrifice when you see the big picture.
For me, as it seems it is with many here, my injury has almost been a source of strength. i have been very focused, very dedicated to getting back stonger. Its an interesting perspective to look at things through a funnel, with everything in your sight pointed to the final goal. I can only imagine the feeling of accomplishment i will feel when i'm back on the snow. i'm excited for that, and i'm excited about the process and the path i need to take to get there.

do me a favor though shoe.... stop running around on turf, play outside if you have to.

[scoober]

I feel for your pain, T. (literally) my surgery date is Nov 12, rehab race!

the hardest realization was to just deal with it and schedule the surgery so close to the season.

they have the power to rebuild. they can take part of that overengineered patella and replace that weak ACL with it anyday as far as I'm concerned.

from what I've read this is a very ACL positive community. get your encouragement here, and ignore any pessimistic people you may talk to elsewhere (they are out there).

this is beatable.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by scoober

the hardest realization was to just deal with it and schedule the surgery so close to the season.

.

yup....this is hard. Fall is my favorite time of the year....it's getting colder here, ski mags are arriving, ski movies will soon be here, new skis will soon be here...everything is still in motion for a killer season...except now this.

I'm probably going to end up getting surgery ASAP. Deep down I know its for the best...just coming to grips with it and accepting it is hard.

[xboat]

man that sucks. can we have an ACL Summit somewhere this winter for all of us that will be rehabing knees. vegas or something? i'd be there...

:(

[Johnny Gunn]

That's some kick me the nuts news. Crap that sucks !!!!

I hope things go well during your recovery. You will ski again ... soon very soon.

But I must say you have me really worried about the condition of my knee. I've been riding the bike and pumping iron to try and improve my knee strength. Which I feel it has to some degree. I get the MRI on Oct 13 and I see the Surgeon on Nov 3. Keeping fingers crossed.

Best of Luck, Ty

[Keoni]

Shit mang, sorry to hear that!
The quicker you get it done the sooner you can start to heal/rehab.
On a happier note:
Your Bro Models will thank you for the lack of early season rock damage;)

[Ubersheist]

NOOOO!!!!! :mad: :( :mad: :( :mad: :(

ERRRR!!!!

I feel for you dude...

Get the info on the super-speedy surgury!!!!! I think Lunch had it done, too. He's a good friend of Divegirl's. Get her to get you in contact with him ASAP, because he doesn't check the board all that often. If you MUST go with a conventional ACL surgury, make sure you get a cadavar's ACL, not one of your own. A dead guy's good ligament cut down the recovery time a whole lot, too!

I can't imagine the season without you, dude... FACK, FACK, FACKING FACK!

[xboat]

Originally posted by Ubersheist
If you MUST go with a conventional ACL surgury, make sure you get a cadavar's ACL, not one of your own. A dead guy's good ligament cut down the recovery time a whole lot, too!


this is my plan and this is what i would recommend after having a patellar graft on my first reconstruction. screw getting cut up any more than you need to.

[watersnowdirt]

AAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!! I'm so sorry!

Nothing I can say that hasn't been said already here. Just know that if you need someone to complain to, you can vent all you want to me - I know what you're feeling!! It truly sucks, truly. For a while, I think it's perfectly legitimate to be the angry guy. You can take that energy and put it into serious PT, and come back better and stronger, like I like to think I have.

Best of luck with the next appt.

[board]

Fuck

:mad:

[trainnvain]

Tahoe gets killer snow late season. Those Bros will be chargin' the deep before you know.

Heal up quick!

[irul&ublo]

Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
heh....I'm still in the process of rehabbing my shoulder after popping it out in July. Just recently graduated from therabands to free weights...and yes, it bites :(

irul -- Dr. Marter. Kings doctor. Coulda went for Heiden, but he wasn't available until November.

thanks everyone....going out on the bike now while there's still an hour of light left. Got a century (www.auburncentury.com) with 10,000 ft of climbing to ride this weekend :)

Marder has got a great rep...even w/o the Kings. You got lucky to get him.

[Big E]

Originally posted by Ubersheist
If you MUST go with a conventional ACL surgury, make sure you get a cadavar's ACL, not one of your own. A dead guy's good ligament cut down the recovery time a whole lot, too!


Obviously you need to talk w/ the surgeon about this, but the cadaver isn't a cure all either. In order to avoid infections and such, they have to irradiate the cadaver ACL. This ends up doing quite a bit of harm to the graft, so it's not as strong as it was before the poor guy keeled over. And while the initial rehab seems to be quicker (mostly as I understand it because you're only rehabbing one thing - the ACL - not two things like ACL + patellar/hammy), the graft doesn't reach full strength for something like 2 years.

This is just my understanding...

[frozenwater]

FUCK!

[road trip]

Good luck, man. Horrible news... hope you heal up quick. In the meantime, live vicariously through this board. It'll give you that "get ready for spring" motivation.

[Buzzworthy]

Originally posted by Punani
Sorry to hear that Shoe....Positive vibes coming your way.....you''ll be back before you know it.


[Cue twilight zone theme] I remember Buzzworthy's warning- those who organize a Summit sit out the next season. Rusty Nails, Buzzworthy, and now Shoe. Here's some preemptive positive vibes for TGR and Frz for the Jackson Summit!


WHOOOAA!! Did I really say that??? :( I did sit out the first Mini, but damn, I now feel dirty and ashamed. I should have never said such a thing. I feel bad now. :(


Shoe, I do hope all goes great for your upcoming recovery. It is a hard one, but rehab hardcore did wonders for me. Kill it!!


Good luck man!

[frozenwater]

Originally posted by Buzzworthy
WHOOOAA!! Did I really say that??? :( I did sit out the first Mini, but damn, I now feel dirty and ashamed. I should have never said such a thing. I feel bad now. :(

FUCK!

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by frozenwater
FUCK! Don't make it 4.

[altachic]

Get the surgery Ty...

I had a fast and fairly easy recovery. I was in PT no later than 5 days outta that crazy machine that works your knee for 4 days straight, that thing gave me 3 weeks more motion than the ones who didn't use the machine for the first couple days post surgery.

I went to PT twice a week for 3 weeks, then once a week for 2 weeks, then i was on my own, it went so fast. You're healthy and things should be fine, depending on that bruise.

Best of luck with this. Keep that attitude positive as much as you can.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by altachic
Get the surgery Ty...

I had a fast and fairly easy recovery. I was in PT no later than 5 days outta that crazy machine that works your knee for 4 days straight, that thing gave me 3 weeks more motion than the ones who didn't use the machine for the first couple days post surgery.

I went to PT twice a week for 3 weeks, then once a week for 2 weeks, then i was on my own, it went so fast. You're healthy and things should be fine, depending on that bruise.

Best of luck with this. Keep that attitude positive as much as you can.

that doesn't sound so bad. I WILL ski before this season ends...then when it does end, I'm going to SA or NZ for some pow. :)

I've seen that crazy machine that works your knee post surgery on some ACL websites. It looks....crazy. Can you actually sleep with that thing?

[frozenwater]

Originally posted by Buster Highmen
Don't make it 4.

FART!

[altachic]

i turned it off at night, just to uncomfortable. i kept it on for a good 8 hours during the day, taking breaks of course.

that will put you at least 3 weeks ahead of those who don't use it. i couldn't believe how much motion i had compared to those i was doing pt with.

look into it dude.

[Buster Highmen]

Originally posted by frozenwater
FART!
I meant the organizer victim.

[Buzzworthy]

I concur with Buster.

[CS]

Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
that doesn't sound so bad. I WILL ski before this season ends...then when it does end, I'm going to SA or NZ for some pow. :)


Don't forget that little pass called Tioga that gets nice and tasty around the end of May. See you there! http://tetongravity.com/ubb/icons/icon14.gif

[Big E]

Originally posted by altachic
that will put you at least 3 weeks ahead of those who don't use it. i couldn't believe how much motion i had compared to those i was doing pt with.

I had it on the first one, didn't on the second. Actually got the flexibility (extension and flexion) back faster when I didn't have it. :shrug:

[Vinman]

Originally posted by Big E
I had it on the first one, didn't on the second. Actually got the flexibility (extension and flexion) back faster when I didn't have it. :shrug:

For these things it really depends on the person. Some people do just fine without them and others can get their ROM back without them.

Chances are the reason your 2nd one was faster was that you knew what to expect as far as pain and how far you could push yourself physically and mentally.

I went though both mine without a CPM. I don't really remember the first as it was 10 years ago, but the second, I was off crutches after my first post op check @ 4-5 days and had full ROM after about 1.5 -2 weeks. Back to work at 3 weeks working football preseason at the college.

[teledave]

That Sucks, Ty!

But on a different note, you and Mrs. Shoe have any kids yet?
My first was a result of being "laid up" (and that's too bad an alternative) for a ski season.

Sooooo.....
Either shoot straight, or be careful, your choice.

[basom]

Originally posted by Big E
I had it on the first one, didn't on the second. Actually got the flexibility (extension and flexion) back faster when I didn't have it. :shrug:

i was in mine about 20 hours a doy for six days. by the second day i was getting out of bed without crutches to go to the bathroom, get ice, ect. back at work in two weeks.

i'm pro cpm for sure. it's sick when you max it out. you can slow it down to almost unnoticable speed for sleeping.

[Ubersheist]

Originally posted by Big E
Obviously you need to talk w/ the surgeon about this, but the cadaver isn't a cure all either. In order to avoid infections and such, they have to irradiate the cadaver ACL. This ends up doing quite a bit of harm to the graft, so it's not as strong as it was before the poor guy keeled over. And while the initial rehab seems to be quicker (mostly as I understand it because you're only rehabbing one thing - the ACL - not two things like ACL + patellar/hammy), the graft doesn't reach full strength for something like 2 years.

This is just my understanding...

...and I'm sure you're first-hand experience gave you an understanding that is far better then mine. I concur fully.

At the same time, I've heard repetitively that your ACL is never as strong afterwards, even if you do take part of a living ligament from somewhere else on you. Just something to think about, and, of course, consult with a trained professional about...

BTW, how's yours, Big E? All healed up now? Gonna make it out to Jackson and/or Utah?

[basom]

Originally posted by Ubersheist
...and I'm sure you're first-hand experience gave you an understanding that is far better then mine. I concur fully.

At the same time, I've heard repetitively that your ACL is never as strong afterwards, even if you do take part of a living ligament from somewhere else on you. Just something to think about, and, of course, consult with a trained professional about...

people tell you lots of stuff. i've heard that, i've also heard the strength is = once the graft matures. what i read mostly about cadaver, which was backed up by my surgeon, is thay have a higher rate of failing, i.e. not 'taking'. and over time they become 'looser'.

when i told my doc the #1 goal was having a stable knee for the rest of my hopefully long life of skiing, and pain during recovery, recovery time, how much work it takes to get back were all secondary. he said the PT graft was the best chioce for me.

it really is all about what your surgeon thinks fits with you, your goals, and how mcu you are willing to let it affect the next 6-9 months of your life.

[Mrs Roo]

If you want some up to date medical information on well researched surgical interventions, I often go to the "Cochrane Collaboration" website. These are all peer reviewed studies (I'm sure Len can help with any medical jargon).


I've put a link to one summary I found: http://212.49.218.203/newgenMB/ASP/Document.asp?docNo=189646

(Hope the link works)

Good luck, Tyrone, and do your exercises!

[Vinman]

sage words from Basom.

Basom hit this one out of the park and is 100% right on this one.

Don't get a big head

[divegirl]

Oh Shit Ron I'm so sorry to hear this. This really blows. Wow, what a day on TGR. This is shitty news. I feel for you. If I was a skier way back in '01 when my ankle broke, I could say I can totally relate. But I still kinda can so.....don't worry there will be a winter for you again. You'll recover quickly, though, I guarantee it. Lunch is already riding 60 miles a day, and it's 3 months after his surgery. Good luck!!!

[Thumper]

Sorry to hear about that Shoe...but you will be back in no time!!!

Thumps!

[Stoysluttie1]

bummer my man. Do what Markus did...ski and bike all year before surgery.

There is a really good knee person is Salty...Dr. Marlow Global or something like that.

[powwrangler]

I feel for you man the same thing happened to me. Tore mine and didn't even know, thought i had just sprained it. Turns out that it was torn after i finally got a MRI because it kept going out on me. Get a top rated sureon and good luck. Work hard on the rehab.

[Endlessseason]

Sorry that you too have joined this particular club, Ty. Wasn't it enough to just be in the Ron club? :p
There's some really good knee advice on this board. It's amazing how many maggots have had this done. We're an aggressive lot.

I concur with not getting a cadaver graft, or at least thinking long and hard about it. In addition to the altered collagen tissue and reduced tensile strength from irradiation, an allograft is usually not recommended for your very first ACL replacement for other reasons as well (especially in the young and healthy): http://www.orthoassociates.com/ACL_grafts.htm

I must admit I was very envious of a guy who was doing rehab the same time I was. He was able to do everything sooner with his allograft than I was with my auto. For the first couple months. After that, our progress seemed to even out and, in fact, my ortho said the cadaver graft actually takes longer to fully strengthen compared to using your own. It's just that there's so much less inflammation and trauma to the leg with the allograft that people think they're ready before they really are. It's evidently well documented that cadaver grafts get blown out more often since people mistake the relative lack of pain for strength.

If there's anything I can do, let me know. (I can supply you with instructions for a pretty bomber cast if you just can't take it anymore sometime in the season and you want to get out on the slopes for some mellow cruising.......;)





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[Endlessseason]

Oh and Johnny Gun, I hope your news is good.

[Squirrel99]

Originally posted by Tyrone Shoelaces
Saw my ortho this afternoon....Diagnosis:

Complete ACL tear.
Medial meniscus tear.
Bone bruising

Next appt. Oct. 13th to see the surgeon.


......you guys might not hear from me for awhile, because this computer is about to get thrown out my window while I ransack this room....then I'm drinking.......fuck.

FUCK, man. that sucks. Best wishes on a speedy recovery.
and we´ll be eagerly awaiting your return to the slopes.

[Tyrone Shoelaces]

Originally posted by Stoysluttie1
bummer my man. Do what Markus did...ski and bike all year before surgery.


That is so damn tempting.

It's the coldest day since last winter here today.....farking damn anticipation....


edit: thanks for the links endless and mrs. roo..

[powwrangler]

Yeah Endless
patellar tendon for life beyotches