Explosiv Vintages

[Teletori]

I think I have seen a lineup of all vintages of the legendary Explosiv a while ago.

Can anyone point me in the direction... have tried searching all over the interweb.

If this does not exist, we should try to compile a list to honor this workhorse :)

(just aquired a pair of the old yellow Explosivs, and wondered how old they are...)

[Jaxson]

Powder Mag had an article on them a few years back...RIP Explosiv

I think the lineage went someting like:

Original version - Neon Yellow (mid 90's)
Explosiv 2 - Blue (said Explosiv 2 on them)
Explosiv 3 - Sort of purple (I think said Explosiv 3 on them)
VExplosiv - Slight twin, had a somewhat wizard like topsheet
Wizard - More of a twin and...wizard topsheet
Budda - Maroon with budda

Maybe someone else recalls better but this is close...

[El Chupacabra]

Powder Mag had an article on them a few years back...RIP Explosiv

I think the lineage went someting like:

Original version - Neon Yellow (mid 90's)
Explosiv 2 - Blue (said Explosiv 2 on them)
Explosiv 3 - Sort of purple (I think said Explosiv 3 on them)
VExplosiv - Slight twin, had a somewhat wizard like topsheet
Wizard - More of a twin and...wizard topsheet
Budda - Maroon with budda

Maybe someone else recalls better but this is close...

The V-Ex and wizard models are the same shape and same semi-twin tail, just with different topsheets. I don't know if the designated mount point was the same on both.

I believe the neon yellow ones are 1994-95, the V-Ex was 2000-01, the wizard was 2001-2003 (two years production), and the maroon buddha was 2004-2005 (two years production).

Early ones -- definitely the neon ones, but am not sure about the Explosiv 2 and 3 -- have a boot tip mark for the mounting point ("schuhspitze" on the sidewall). By the time of the full wizard graphic and all subsequent models, the boot center ("A") mark was used.

Apparently some of the CMH branded ones are slightly softer than the retail ones, but not all. Maybe mntlion knows which ones are which, or if there's even any truth to this. I've never skied a CMH branded Explosiv.

[Singel]

I remember that Powder article, I might have that rag somewhere.

There's also the CMH versions. According to mntlion's site:

02/03 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43168_large.jpg

04/05 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43132_large.jpg

05/06 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43130_large.jpg

Were there any different one's for 03/04?

[YetiMan]

damn those cmh's are butt ugly

[Bluebird]

I would like to read that powder article if anyone can find it and scan it.

I also believe that the mounting point has been moved forward as the years went along. I will be testing this theory with Uppernotmaster this weekend.

Along these lines, if anyone has a pair of 180 wizards they are looking to sell I would LOVE to take them off your hands. Explosivs are by far my favorite do anything ski and I need the wizards to complete the lineup. Willing to buy or trade for some buddha's in great shape.

I think any CMH version with the channel in the middle of the ski is softer (maybe one less layer of metal) than the normal explosiv. I think all orange and black versions have this channel as well as some blue and yellow depending on vintage.

[Sloafer11']

damn those cmh's are butt ugly

I dunno, the middle ones are pretty nice i think.

[skuff]

I think any CMH version with the channel in the middle of the ski is softer (maybe one less layer of metal) than the normal explosiv. I think all orange and black versions have this channel as well as some blue and yellow depending on vintage.

I have an orange and black version that has no channel, it has a flat topsheet and same stiff flex as the 190 buddha version I also own.

[mntlion]

only the most recent year of CMH has the channel.

[Wetdog]

I remember that Powder article, I might have that rag somewhere.

There's also the CMH versions. According to mntlion's site:

02/03 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43168_large.jpg

04/05 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43132_large.jpg

05/06 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43130_large.jpg

Were there any different one's for 03/04?

I have a pair of what I believe are 03/04 CMH Explosives with the shinny Orange and Yellow top sheet and no channel which I bought new from my local shop in Feb 06. I think they are identical to the red Buddha models other than top sheet. They had been sitting around for a long time at the store and I had been looking at them the previous year when they had a sticker on them with a discount price saying they were 04 stock, so I presume 03/04. By early 06, everyone clued into the fact that the Mantra was not better, and the Explosives were gone forever, and the remaining ones got snapped up pretty quickly.

I didn't realize that the CMH top sheet was available for retail, and maybe it wasn't, as I know this store has a history of buying up old stock of unsold unused skis. So maybe they were excess stock CMH never used. They didn't have the rubber tip protectors, which I think are a CMH add on. Anyway, they were new in the plastic. It is possible they are 04/05 but not any newer. I think the blue and yellow CMH ones were for the 2 years preceding the yellow and orange ones and are older.

I liked mine a lot, but they were only 180's, so I bought a pair of ex CMH over the internet in the summer of 06, which had seen only one season, so 05/06's, and which have the matte finish orange and yellow top sheet with the channel and are definitely softer than my 180's without the channel. I think the channel is an area where the skis are milled out and where there is not any metal. Metal is evident at the top of the sidewall indicating there is at least a top layer, but I think the top layer does not go all the way accross. They are slightly softer, but better in powder, less great in crud.

That is all I know. I have far less knowledge about the regular explosives being a late convert to the explosive congregation.

[BSS]

I have a pair of 05/06 vintage PNH topsheet 190's. They're dead sexy, too.

I don't have another pair to compare the flex to, does anybody know if they're the same as the Buddhas or the CMH's?

[El Chupacabra]

I have a pair of 05/06 vintage PNH topsheet 190's. They're dead sexy, too.

I don't have another pair to compare the flex to, does anybody know if they're the same as the Buddhas or the CMH's?

All non-softened-for-CMH Explosivs of the same length are roughly the same, whether turned-up-tail or square tail.

Shorter ones are softer than longer ones.

Post a pic of the Points North ones -- never seen that topsheet.

[Singel]

Found the article on Page 36 of Winter 2006 Buyer's guide. I must be a god, because this was the first edition that I pulled from the shelf, and I opened it right onto the article:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Singel/Explosiv/DSCN2598.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Singel/Explosiv/DSCN2599.jpg

The article was written by Ingrid :fm:

[HitMe]

That's pretty cool - an whole Powder article about a ski model getting discontinued.

My 190 Wizard Explosive are still my fav ski. They may be skinny by today's standards, but with the Explosives under our feet you know you can handle anything.

The part about being like a wide super-G ski is exactly what I felt the first time I tried them. I was spellbound from the first run. It was like coming home. And still today, every time I step on the Explosives and let them rip, that homecoming feel is still there.

[Vitamin I]

I think they suffered noticeable shrinkage over the years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it went something like this...

The first 3 topsheets were squaretails at true 190cm total length. Then the 2 V-Ex topsheets (Thors & Wizards) kept the 190cm total length, but the turned-up tail resulted in shorter runninglength. Then the Buddhas brought back the squaretail by effectively chopping off the upturned portion of the V-Ex tail (instead of "flattening" the upturned part to retain total length), resulting in a Buddha with same short runninglength as V-Ex, but shorter total length. So the "190" Buddha is more like 186-ish.

I'm guessing the CMH's (always squaretail) shrank 3-4cm right when the V-Ex mold was introduced, then likely held constant length after that.

I'm happy to delete this post if I'm proven wrong.

.

[Caucasian Asian]

"Why can't they make a good old-school GS ski as wide as my foot?"


Sorry for the hi-jack, but i'm just wondering how many other people have never skied an Explosiv other than me?

[SiSt]

I haven´t.

But I´m trying to find a pair of 190´s as backup for my LP´s now... Only thing I´ve found so far is a brand new pair for $400 on ebay. :eek:

Nothing yet on the right side of the Atlantic.

[Sloafer11']

"Why can't they make a good old-school GS ski as wide as my foot?"


Sorry for the hi-jack, but i'm just wondering how many other people have never skied an Explosiv other than me?



This guy. . . .and I'm dying to get on a pair. Anyone around Maine that whats to give a kid a taste of the old-school? (I realize that for most of you this ski is not so old school, but while the explosivs were ending with the wizards I was still rockin hart moguls. . . ..

[schuss]

This guy. . . .and I'm dying to get on a pair. Anyone around Maine that whats to give a kid a taste of the old-school? (I realize that for most of you this ski is not so old school, but while the explosivs were ending with the wizards I was still rockin hart moguls. . . ..

If your boot sole is 305 you are in luck.

[Bluebird]

I think they suffered noticeable shrinkage over the years. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it went something like this...

The first 3 topsheets were squaretails at true 190cm total length. Then the 2 V-Ex topsheets (Thors & Wizards) kept the 190cm total length, but the turned-up tail resulted in shorter runninglength. Then the Buddhas brought back the squaretail by effectively chopping off the upturned portion of the V-Ex tail (instead of "flattening" the upturned part to retain total length), resulting in a Buddha with same short runninglength as V-Ex, but shorter total length. So the "190" Buddha is more like 186-ish.

I'm guessing the CMH's (always squaretail) shrank 3-4cm right when the V-Ex mold was introduced, then likely held constant length after that.

I'm happy to delete this post if I'm proven wrong.

.

I never noticed this until you mentioned it. I just compared some 180 neon's and ex-2's with 180 buddha's and you are in fact correct. The buddha's are a little over 2cm shorter than the pre wizard versions.

[Bluebird]

This guy. . . .and I'm dying to get on a pair. Anyone around Maine that whats to give a kid a taste of the old-school? (I realize that for most of you this ski is not so old school, but while the explosivs were ending with the wizards I was still rockin hart moguls. . . ..

If you have a 315 bsl and can get to Magic we have multiple vintages of 180's that you can get on.

[mntlion]

I have a few for sale (what a surprise) on both this TGR thread
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2083494
and on
www.fatskideals.com

funny I was thinking of writing this history a few days ago.

[Ol' Moss-Back]

I scored a pair of 1st-gen neon 190's at a swap last year.

Topsheets are chipped all to hell, but bases & edges are sweet.

They are mounted Full-Steeze, with dayglo green & orange Look Z Racing turntables. :fmicon:

Haven't been on them (or any other Explosiv) yet...

Can not wait to fire these suckers up.:FIREdevil

There's just 'something' about them...very Teutonic, stout and no-nonsense.
And to me they really don't feel all that stiff.
But I roll 235# in full gear.:redface:

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[Wetdog]

I hummed and hawed over several pair in my local shop in 05/06. By the time I realized what a cult ski the explosive was, the 190's were gone, but they still had a pair of 180 that they sold me for cost. It was more of a novelty for me than anything, just owning a legend, but when I skied them, I was amazed. I'm 6'3" and 185 and would have gone for the 190's but the 180's rock plenty. I use them mainly at the smaller hills I ski. They are perfect for the tighter lines and I ski them for most conditions except really hard packed. Last year at Cypress in Vancouver, I was doing laps in a post storm dump of deep wet heavy snow with a big smile, and thinking how they were the perfect ski for those conditions as they just ate it up like no other. At whistler, I sometimes ski them, but usually opt for a longer pair of Legend Pros.

As I mentioned above, I liked them so much, I bought some used CMH 190's last edition with the channel. They are softer, and though better in the deep, don't have quite the crud busting magic of my stiffer 180's. I kick myself now for not having jumped on the 190's in the store 2 years ago, but I didn't know better.

I often wondered why CMH didn't go with wider skis, but heliskiing often involves variable snow, it's not always all powder and the explosives excell in variable. I do have wider skis in my quiver, but the CMH 190's ski powder quite well. There is a little bit more of that feeling of being in it, rather than on it you get with wider skis. I usually ski my 190's early and late season, and take them to the Rockies when I go. They are not exactly rock skis yet, but I would sooner bang up a pair of well used $350 dollar skis than mint LP's, and if I do hit rocks, they take the abuse better than most because of their bomber construction. They are like tanks.

[Sloafer11']

If your boot sole is 305 you are in luck.


If you have a 315 bsl and can get to Magic we have multiple vintages of 180's that you can get on.


Chances of getting to magic are slim, but i appreciate it. Schuss, I'm getting new boots this year (feet are still growing), but I'll get back to you if I'm in that range, thanks man.

[Lexi-Bell]

http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic30916.jpg

K2 Kahunas, rebadged Explosivs, yeah?

(Stolen pic)

[wren]

Sorry for the hi-jack, but i'm just wondering how many other people have never skied an Explosiv other than me?

Also never skied a pair. I'd love to. I think back when I was getting my first pair of fat skis, and I was deciding between Pistols, Wizard Explosives, and MSPs. I ended up choosing the Pistols, and I still have them, but have always wanted a pair of those Explosives now. 190 Wizards would be the tits.

[Singel]

http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic30916.jpg

K2 Kahunas, rebadged Explosivs, yeah?

(Stolen pic)

Sweet, that's why I always say that you can't spell unsubstantiated without substantiated.

[Jer]

I'm guessing the CMH's (always squaretail) shrank 3-4cm right when the V-Ex mold was introduced, then likely held constant length after that.

I'm happy to delete this post if I'm proven wrong.

.

I've got a pair of 04/05 190 CMH Splosivs and they're definetly quite a bit shorter next to all my other skis. I never measured, but I'd say they're maybe on the high side of 185.

I hardly ever ski on them because although they're great skis, I have other skis that are greater for their intended purpose. I should really get rid of them, but so far have been unable to bring myself to do so. When I sold my last pair (original yellow ones) I was kicking myself in the ass for years.

[BSS]

On second thought, it looks like they're 2005's, not 2006. Either way:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49639&stc=1&d=1226726566

[soul_skier]

I have skied every vintage other than the purple/blue/yellow 2ed gen. Currently own wizards, buddas and 1st gen neons in 190cm, love them so very much.

[SunshineTom]

But I´m trying to find a pair of 190´s as backup for my LP´s now... Only thing I´ve found so far is a brand new pair for $400 on ebay. :eek:

Nothing yet on the right side of the Atlantic.

Thank You SiSt,

Seeing as I'm a Buddhist, it just wouldn't be right to not have a Buddha in the quiver...
If you come to Alaska, your welcome to try them out. :biggrin: Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo :biggrin:

What would be an appropriate vintage binder for these? p18? FKS? 916's?
I'm partial to the old school cool of these... any recommendations on the hot setup for Buddhas back when they were new? mount on the line or?

I've been away from skiing for the past 20 years(working my ass off) after growing up on Colorado Sunshine, and rediscovered my passion a couple years back. Damn I'm kicking myself for missing out on those 20 ski seasons, but at least now I've got the time & money to enjoy it with my boys, and a kick ass mountain 30 minutes away.

There are still no blue skies like Colorado though, man I miss that place. Soak it up boys, you've got it goooood.

[SiSt]

Congrats, and thanks for the offer! I was actually going to Anchorage after new years, but economic reasons say it´s not going to happen.

I found a new pair of 180´s for ~$100, but they were sold. The seller also had some 190´s, but he was keeping them for himself. :(

[El Chupacabra]

On second thought, it looks like they're 2005's, not 2006. Either way:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49639&stc=1&d=1226726566

Nice topsheets -- haven't seen that one. Besides PNH & CMH, any other heli companies use the Explosiv with custom graphics?

[mn_teleskier]

http://www.biglines.com/photos/blpic30916.jpg

K2 Kahunas, rebadged Explosivs, yeah?

(Stolen pic)


YUP- I have owned 2 pair of these. THey were actually the first ever "fat" ski that I owned/ spent time on.

They even have the lettering in german on the sidewall.

[adam]

I covet the 190 Red Buddhas. I need some.

[XXX-er]

so there are some 190 explosivs at the ski swap for 75$ with ESS bindings ...should I go back and snap them up ?

edit :gone

[thin cover]

I have Owned the 190 Big Kahuna, 190 sploder 2 and now the 190 Wizards, and I agree with Bluebird they are just a do anything great every day ski. He also is the one who got me into them.

And BSS I know we had a failed first attempt on a sploder transaction, but if you ever want to unload those PNH's you have a buyer here, mostly likely amongst many others.

[skifishbum]

I was all set to sell my 190 buddahs that I haven't skied in years.
Then somebody starts a thread and reminds me they're classics.
Fuckin gearhoreitis mon from of my fingers to my toes gearhoreitis mon

[wren]

Also never skied a pair. I'd love to. I think back when I was getting my first pair of fat skis, and I was deciding between Pistols, Wizard Explosives, and MSPs. I ended up choosing the Pistols, and I still have them, but have always wanted a pair of those Explosives now. 190 Wizards would be the tits.

Just bought some 190 Wizards. Only took me 2 days. hahaha.

[Caucasian Asian]

I noticed yesterday that the Gear Exchange in Golden had a few pairs of 165s with demo Sollies for $75....







yeah i know, kinda short.

[mntlion]

190, red on ebay for $300 buy it now

[squaretail]

I think the lineage went someting like:

Original version - Neon Yellow (mid 90's)
Explosiv 2 - Blue (said Explosiv 2 on them)
Explosiv 3 - Sort of purple (I think said Explosiv 3 on them)
VExplosiv - Slight twin, had a somewhat wizard like topsheet
Wizard - More of a twin and...wizard topsheet
Budda - Maroon with budda



mtnlion sent me a PM and asked me to contribute what I know to this thread. Jaxson has it pretty much correct, but I can fill in a little more detail:

The original yellow version came out in the fall of 1993, my first year with the company actually, and people thought they were ridiculous. I can't remember how may times we heard crap like "If you need those to ski powder, you obviously don't know how to ski powder."

The product development manager in those days was a guy named Rainer Staub, though many other folks had a hand in the project. The original mold was an adapted snowboard mold and the skis were made one at a time (like a SB) not in pairs like the other models. The original core was actually a finger-jointed horizontally laminated core of poplar. We switched to a more consistent vertical laminate for the Explosiv 3.

This yellow version continued unchanged for the 94/95 season. The blue Explosiv 2 was 95/96 and 96/97 and the Explosiv 3 was 97/98, and - I think - 98/99.

For 99/00, there was the rare Vertigo LTD, not named an Explosiv, but that's definitely what it was. In 2000/01 the V-Explosivs came with the altered semi-twin shape. Then 2004 the final red buddha version returned to the original square tail, and now you all know where my username comes from. The red one was available for 2 seasons.

As for the special versions, the CMH ski came first, in 1995/6 or so. The PNH came a couple of years later, and they both had a couple of different graphics over their lifespan.

The guys at the factory tell us the mold is gone, but I dunno...Next time I am over there, I think I'm going to go on a weissbier-fueled midnight raid and find it...

Thanks for listening.

[mntlion]

173 cm was added in early 2000's as well. Before that 165 (ladies), 180 (old men), 190(mens version)

so the original yellow "explosiv" was offered to the public and CMH got it at the same time? And both were the same?

Also the red version (2004) was the last public one? Volkl kept making the ski for CMH for a few years, and added the channel down the middle (lighter and softer) for the final year ('06?)

I'll have to swing by the CMH office and take a picture of the line up. (also will include the rossi CMH that was a softer 4S, and the miller soft too)

[Bluebird]

Thanks for the info Squaretail.

Any plans to bring our beloved ski back?:tongue:

As I sit here I am looking at 9 pairs of explosivs of varying vintages. I am tuning a couple of pairs for Uppernotmaster, so they aren't all mine and bumpskiers.

I still need some 180 wizards...anybody out there?:biggrin:

now it looks like the search is on for the elusive Vertigo LTD.

[squaretail]

so the original yellow "explosiv" was offered to the public and CMH got it at the same time? And both were the same?


Correct. I'm not aware of any construction differences between the original yellow and the original CMH.



Also the red version (2004) was the last public one? Volkl kept making the ski for CMH for a few years, and added the channel down the middle (lighter and softer) for the final year ('06?)


Yes, the red Buddha was the last public one. I don't know exactly how many more CMHs were made after that. I don't think they necessarily ordered every year...I'm pretty sure they ordered a big enough quantity that they didn't need to reload for a couple of seasons.

[Core Shot]

mtnlion sent me a PM and asked me to contribute what I know to this thread. Jaxson has it pretty much correct, but I can fill in a little more detail:

The original yellow version came out in the fall of 1993, my first year with the company actually, and people thought they were ridiculous. I can't remember how may times we heard crap like "If you need those to ski powder, you obviously don't know how to ski powder."

The product development manager in those days was a guy named Rainer Staub, though many other folks had a hand in the project. The original mold was an adapted snowboard mold and the skis were made one at a time (like a SB) not in pairs like the other models. The original core was actually a finger-jointed horizontally laminated core of poplar. We switched to a more consistent vertical laminate for the Explosiv 3.

This yellow version continued unchanged for the 94/95 season. .

Yep.
I bought those new.
Must have been the second 94/95 season of the yellow topsheets.
My ski bud would not stop raving about them.
I swallowed my pride and bought 'em.
Not only were they fat as hell, but they were so day glow neon that you could not miss them a mile away.
Had many many great days on them. they did not last more than a couple seasons, though, which was surprising since I was embarrassed to be seen on them if it wasn't deeeep pow. I got Snowrangers the next year and those seemed much more palatable to the local snobs.

Funny how much fatter my quiver is these days.

[rabbit]

The guys at the factory tell us the mold is gone, but I dunno...Next time I am over there, I think I'm going to go on a weissbier-fueled midnight raid and find it...


Please do. ;)

[Vitamin I]

Just bought some 190 Wizards. Only took me 2 days. hahaha.

From craigslist? You Bastard! That seller refused to sell me the skis only, without bindings.

.

[Ville]

I scored two pairs 180cm for 60€ :D One is explosiv 2 and other one is v-explosive, last one is in damn good condition and explosiv 2 has only couple of bigger scratches. Good deal I think.

Or what do you think, Hema and Keksie? ;)

[hemas]

I think you should swap one of the 180s with my 190s... After all, I'm smaller than you or Veikko...

[the beaver]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amazing-Voelkl-Exclusive-186cm-Carver-Skis-Bargain_W0QQitemZ180040241545QQihZ008QQcategoryZ16 062QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

don't think the seller knows exactly what he's selling but probably worth it if you live in the uk

i got some 180's off the same guy last year

[monster magnet]

i have the explosive 2's picked them up in pristine shape for 80 dollars with bindings at the local ski swap...have a quiver of fat and mid fat, but these quickly became my favourites. 190's can not stop riding them, big heavy basterds, but hot damn, very good.

[Damian Sanders]

For 99/00, there was the rare Vertigo LTD, not named an Explosiv, but that's definitely what it was.


Eh......?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLKL-VERTIGO-LTD-Snow-Ranger-Powder-Fat-skis-Marker-NR_W0QQitemZ270284118832QQihZ017QQcategoryZ16062QQ cmdZViewItem

[el penoso]

Its true my buddy had some of those with the Vertigo topsheet.

[mntlion]

Eh......?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLKL-VERTIGO-LTD-Snow-Ranger-Powder-Fat-skis-Marker-NR_W0QQitemZ270284118832QQihZ017QQcategoryZ16062QQ cmdZViewItem


nope, that ebay ski is 105/80/98 (explosives are 95mm) and 170 was not avail until the last few years

[rob stokes]

i have a single 180 v-explosive. anyone got another single they are willing to part with?

please dont let me demote this to a shot ski......:(

[mntlion]

have you looked in the single ski thread?

Odds are I have a single explosive with a CMH topsheet for sale

[rob stokes]

ohh and i found this bargain
http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=3238300

[Caucasian Asian]

The guys at the factory tell us the mold is gone, but I dunno...Next time I am over there, I think I'm going to go on a weissbier-fueled midnight raid and find it...



hmmmmmm. ExBROsiv perhaps?

[squaretail]

Eh......?

http://cgi.ebay.com/VOLKL-VERTIGO-LTD-Snow-Ranger-Powder-Fat-skis-Marker-NR_W0QQitemZ270284118832QQihZ017QQcategoryZ16062QQ cmdZViewItem

I should have clarified this...there were both. The "Explosiv" version just said "Vertigo LTD" without any further name. The graphics were essentially exactly the same otherwise.

The "Snow Ranger" LTD version was very rare indeed. Skis like the original G30 and G40 were in the line at the same time and very close to the ranger dimension-wise, and getting a lot more attention.

The Explosiv LTD was never expected to see the light of day that year. For all intents and purposes, the Explosiv had been discontinued. Then a funny thing happened...many spring testers thought our new ski, the G40, sucked. So we went back and did 2 things: 1) completely re-tool the G40 - the ski that was ultimately delivered to retailers that fall was very different from the test samples from the spring, and 2) make sure we had a safety net...so we dusted off the Explosiv mold. There was no graphic ready to go, so we used the "Range LTD" graphic minus the "Ranger" part.

[mntlion]

squaretail: So how many would have to be ordered to get that mold back for a "reunion tour" ? 50pr? 500pr? 5000pr?


C A: if you want to try a pair ever, let me know. I think that you will like the 190's

[PhishingME]

Found the article on Page 36 of Winter 2006 Buyer's guide. I must be a god, because this was the first edition that I pulled from the shelf, and I opened it right onto the article:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Singel/Explosiv/DSCN2598.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y198/Singel/Explosiv/DSCN2599.jpg

The article was written by Ingrid :fm:

Ever notice the skis actually being skied in the photo have metal tips? I've noticed them on Mantras never the Budahs.

[Doremite]

^^^^ Think that's just a pick of the author ripping Gotamas.

[squaretail]

squaretail: So how many would have to be ordered to get that mold back for a "reunion tour" ? 50pr? 500pr? 5000pr?


At least 1000, but I don't know if that would do it. As I said above, they say the mold is "gone."

[rob stokes]

the single 180 v-explosive that i found (was being thrown out) is a bit wierd.......

after seeing this thread i had a good look at it, and put it up against the wall to see the camber. i got a suprise.

wtf? it has a small tip/tail rocker?! looks like someone has been doing some bending.......its not suposed to be like that right?

[ulty_guy]

had my old explosiv 2's out over the last couple of weekends for some early season touring. they have the werid boot toe mount, but i just lined them up next to my cmh's and midsole for a 304mm turned out to be about 2cm forward of the boot toe thingy. that said, i think going forward of that kinda missed the whole point of the explosiv. you can use that long nose to push weird snow out in front of you and absorb. skied everything from windblown to thigh deep cream pow, they still rule it all outside of ice groomers and super fluff.

[Caucasian Asian]

I was watching an old TGR flick on the way to Edmonton yesterday and noticed that at the begining of a Kent Kreitler segment he was carrying and odd looking white ski on his shoulder. Fat (for the vintage), big K2 logo on the tip, and bright red sidewalls. Kinda struck me as strange how most K2s from that vintage were of torsion box design.

[Teletori]

This thread turned up a loot cool information. Thanks :-)

And here is a pic of my spotless pair I snagged for 100$

[verbier61]

got my blue pair on the salati lift three winters ago. A fireman from gressoney was bringin a bunch of old (but brand new) volkls to a rental in alagna, knew almost nothing about that beauty and sold it for peanuts

[ulty_guy]

i still hate you verb ;)

[monster magnet]

okay i just took my explosivesII's in to get mounted with my touring bindings,(diamir freerides) is that crazy as fuck or what? to heavy? i am a big dude, but....
opinions???

[Wetdog]

Lots of people tour with explosives. It has always been well liked for that purpose. Yes, it is on the heavy side for a dedicated touring ski. You probably wouldn't want to do a 40k traverse with it, but for day trips and climbing for turns, it works well.

[Ol' Moss-Back]

Wasn't the Olin "Outer Limits" a version of the Explosiv...I thought I read that somewhere, but can't find it.

True or False?
If true, anyone have a picture?

(I think I found some nearby on CL. Pretty good price, if it's true. They look kinda 'sploder-ish, but the pic is tiny.)


.

[Chronic]

Cool thread. I tour on Explosivs and Freerides and it works well. Yes, it is on the heavy side, but the weight is fine for most tours.

[ulty_guy]

yeah x2 explosivs and freerides. obviously not a weight weenie set up, but it's fine for anything less than 1000 meter elevation gain in a day and hitting stashes.

[mntlion]

Wasn't the Olin "Outer Limits" a version of the Explosiv...I thought I read that somewhere, but can't find it.
.

Olin was K2 for a while and the outer limits where the K2 AK launcher for a while too. (90ish mm HUGE waisted ski, and VERY soft)

The first vintage of launcher was a explosive, re-badged I think. Should have german on the sidewall, and a stiff flex. The newer K2/Olins are lawnchairs, not launchers.

[Ol' Moss-Back]

(Passage of time) + (spotty memory) = jumbled facts.

Thanks, Mntlion, for the refresher.

Quiver is set (for now...)
Was planning a PSA, but never mind now.

Carry on with the Explo-love.

.

[Shorty_J]

Reviving this thread with a question...

There was mention in a couple of spots in this thread that the CMH version is softer than the regular stock Explosiv... anyone know that for sure?

[Ol' Moss-Back]

Rolled on my Dayglosivs for the first time yesterday...

They pretty much 'laid down the law' on that first run, I felt kinda owned.

Then we put the whip to 'em...they liked it...

Fun, poppy sticks. Fun in a stern, Teutonic sort of way.

Now I gotta go home and dig tree bark out of a few core-shots.
Yes, tree bark.
Cover is a bit thin up at The Bake...

.

[skuff]

Reviving this thread with a question...

There was mention in a couple of spots in this thread that the CMH version is softer than the regular stock Explosiv... anyone know that for sure?

My 190 cmh version are the same flex as my 190 buddha version.

[mntlion]

the CMH usually have MANY days on them so are softer based on use.

The newest CMH has a small channel down the middle so a tiny bit lighter and softer.

[Shorty_J]

the CMH usually have MANY days on them so are softer based on use.

The newest CMH has a small channel down the middle so a tiny bit lighter and softer.

This is what I was thinking about the flex of a used ski.

I'm confused about the "channel down the middle"... i.e. a grove on the top sheet?

I've got a line on some used CMH 180's, and I don't need them, but I'm thinking about it anyway. At 5'7" 150 pounds, even that may be a lot of ski for me. :redface:

[mntlion]

my wife skis a 180 explosive as her "daily driver"

5'4 and #145.

take a look on my site for the explosives for sale and you can see the channel

[Shorty_J]

Wow... that's impressive at her size.

I don't think I want to talk myself into a 190 though.

Could I possibly drop by this weekend after a day at the hill?

[counterfeitfake]

I just managed to pick up a cheap pair of 190 Dayglosivs so I can see what the fuss is all about. I'm a little scared.

[wolfy]

great thread- lots of knowledge here- i found some Olin Outer Limits, stamped 163 on topsheet, that i picked up for wifey but they are heckastiff. she didn't weigh enough to decamber them in a turn, but they were "screaming" fast in a straight line... when i found them they were basically new- mounted with Solly 7 series binders, if that helps date them. same type of construction as my CMH's, with very long inserts on the aluminum tail plugs. "the boys" at Granite Chief all guessed explosivs- anyone have a good guess between Launchers and Explosivs. i'll probably put 'em up for sale at Alpine this week...

[SiSt]

Picked up a pair of 190cm dayglo-ones, original vintage with toe-tip markings, but can´t seem to find any consistent info on recommended mount point.

Anyone have a tape measure, and two minutes?

[skuff]

Picked up a pair of 190cm dayglo-ones, original vintage with toe-tip markings, but can´t seem to find any consistent info on recommended mount point.

Anyone have a tape measure, and two minutes?

The sidewall boot center mark on a 190 buddha from the tail is 790mm. Feels like the perfect mounting point to me.

[mntlion]

803mm for an older CMH explosive.

if the ski is already drilled for a salomon demo, why not just re-use the holes, and mess around, and find the center point that YOU like.

toe center and mid boot center will all be different if you have different sized feet, F lean on the boot, ramp angle of both bindings, and boots, calf size, if you ski with a pack, etc. Best to see what works for you, but I would thing anything 79-81 as ski center will be close.

[SiSt]

^^

Thanks a lot.

[Wetdog]

Reviving this thread with a question...

There was mention in a couple of spots in this thread that the CMH version is softer than the regular stock Explosiv... anyone know that for sure?

This is a quote from the CMH website a couple of years ago regarding the then latest generation of the Explosive, the Explosive 2, or rather, the Explosive II to differentiate it between the earlier Explosive 2. I believe it refers to the last generation model 05/06 which wasn't available for retail and had the channel down the center. I have one and it feels a little softer in the tip which improves its powder performance a bit without substantially hurting its infamous ability in crud and difficult snow conditions.

Here is the CMH quote:

"Our Völkl Explosive 2/CMH Editions are second
generation masterpiece skis, the skis of choice
for experienced Heli-Skiers. They offer enhanced
performance, better flex, and lighter swing weight,
while maintaining the proven characteristics of the
original Völkl Explosives. They provide approximately
40 percent more flotation than a conventional ski
while maintaining a similar feel. The Explosive 2
comes in 165, 173, 180, and 190 centimetre lengths."

[Wetdog]

I remember that Powder article, I might have that rag somewhere.

There's also the CMH versions. According to mntlion's site:

02/03 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43168_large.jpg

04/05 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43132_large.jpg

05/06 Season
http://www.fat-ski-deals.com//~stores/43130_large.jpg

Were there any different one's for 03/04?

I have a pair of what I believe are 03/04 I bought at a retail store in Feb 06. They are identical to the Buddha model except they have the latest orange/yellow topsheet, like the ones in the bottom picture, but no channel. They are not ex CMH skis as I bought them new in the plastic unmounted. They have the shinny top sheet and no tip protector just like the Buddhas. I wonder if the the CMH top sheet was released for retail or if this store just got a hold of some overstock that CMH didn't want. They had a habit around that time of buying up batches of skis that didn't sell the previous years from other dealers for cheap and selling them. Anyway, mine had a sticker on the price tag stating they were 04's. I got them for cost which was a sweet deal as they were the last ones left. I missed 190's by couple of days but decided to buy the 180's for the smaller hills I often ski and they are so sweet. One spring doing laps on the peak of Cypress near Vancouver after a big dump of snow, I was thinking there was no other ski I would have wanted to be on at the time.

[shasti]

I picked up my first pair of explosivs last winter because I head so much shit on here about them. They are incredible. I love em so much. They ski anything. Sick. If anybody has a pair they are looking to unload that is in great shape send me a PM.

[mntlion]

shasti: what size?

I have some 190 that are used a few runs only. newest CMH vintage:

same as the second pic above (stolen from my posts?)

[PaSucks]

It would be cool if we could put together a list of other skis that are just rebadged explosivs.

K2 launchers
RD heli dogs
etc.

What else?

[uppernotmaster]

Shasti, you have a PM. I also sent you one about Dukes from another thread.

[El Chupacabra]

It would be cool if we could put together a list of other skis that are just rebadged explosivs.

K2 launchers
RD heli dogs
etc.

What else?

Need to jump in here and correct this -- neither the K2 AK Launcher nor the Research Dynamics Heli Dogs were ever rebadged Explosivs.

1) K2 "Big Kahuna" was a rebadged Explosiv, but only the version with vertical sidewalls; also has "schuhspitze" on the sidewall, indicating boot toe mounting point.

K2 also made a "Big Kahuna" that is the same ski as the AK Launcher, but it is a cap ski. Very different from the Explosiv.

2) The Research Dynamics Heli-Dog III is roughly 120-90-110 in sidecut, stiffish, and with vertical sidewalls. These were made by Elan for RD. I had a pair of 183 Heli-Dog IIIs, and didn't like them very much -- the flex was different from the Explosiv, and felt more "dead" to me.

3) Olin "Outer Limits" was also a rebadged Explosiv, but again, only the version with vertical sidewalls. Olin also made an "Outer Limits" with a cap sidewall that is the same ski as the K2 "AK Launcher."

The K2 and Olin are the only two rebadged Explosivs that I know of.

[PaSucks]

2) The Research Dynamics Heli-Dog III is roughly 120-90-110 in sidecut, stiffish, and with vertical sidewalls. These were made by Elan for RD. I had a pair of 183 Heli-Dog IIIs, and didn't like them very much -- the flex was different from the Explosiv, and felt more "dead" to me.



The pair leaning against my wall is 120 95 110. I've held them to explosivs and am pretty sure they are the same thing, except a slightly softer flex.

[jonnyquest]

I bought a pair of the 1st generation explosives with some crappy marker's on them, but for $35, in good condition at the Park City ski swap. Maybe had 10 days on them. I skied them a season, then got over it.

[Damian Sanders]

Olin was K2 for a while and the outer limits where the K2 AK launcher for a while too. (90ish mm HUGE waisted ski, and VERY soft)

The first vintage of launcher was a explosive, re-badged I think. Should have german on the sidewall, and a stiff flex. The newer K2/Olins are lawnchairs, not launchers.

So, are you saying the early Olin Outer Limits were NOT the explosiv? I understand they are sidewall, but from a little digging it seems like they are not the same dims (90mm vs. 95mm waist).

Hummm? If they are indeed explosivs from that vintage, shouldn't they have the boot-tip mark like the explosiv 1, 2, and 3, and K2 big kahuna?

[mntlion]

I think that the first vintage outerlimtes ARE explosives, and the "newer" ones after that are not.

how to tell:

german on the sidewalls.
same explosive dimensions 95 waist
stiffer flex that the other outerlimits, or K2 lawnchairs

[El Chupacabra]

I think that the first vintage outerlimtes ARE explosives, and the "newer" ones after that are not.

how to tell:

german on the sidewalls.
same explosive dimensions 95 waist
stiffer flex that the other outerlimits, or K2 lawnchairs

And the easiest way: Explosivs have vertical sidewalls, AK Launchers are cap skis.

[EC/BC]

So while doing a WFR recertification course, I ran across this ski in a litter full of old cross country and tele gear being used to make improvised backboards and stuff- (hence the shitty cell phone photos)

what vintage are these? they're skinny, short (170?) and stiff as hell. I'm surprised they were mounted with the glorified riva's that were on them, I couldn't imagine turning them with old school tele gear.

I'm a big fan of the bases though, a channel and gnarly splatter graphics
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=291&pictureid=1574
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=291&pictureid=1575
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=291&pictureid=1576

[Damian Sanders]

IIRC they are sort of a rec slalom ski from late 80's.

[garyfromterrace]

Dont know how I came across this but... since no one answered the question....
I have a pair of a similar vintage 205 "R" RS's
The were the best "do it all" skis I ever owned (until fat skis came along in the early 90's). I remember buying them a year old in 86 I think.

I remember them as a kind of detuned GS racing ski. Amazing at speed ( I was speed skiing back then, so I know of what I speak), great in the bumps and a kick ass powder ski. They really did it all, and I would rate them as the best do everything skinny ski I ever rode by far.

Now the SL (especially in a 170 length, ugh, may have been an ok tight radius ski for small children, but it wouldn't have been my cup of tea.

[ChowdahRidah]

Anybody know what is considered the best mount point for the first vintage of explosivs? +1 or on the line?

Thank you for your help!

[SiSt]

Anybody know what is considered the best mount point for the first vintage of explosivs? +1 or on the line?

Thank you for your help!

I think I´m about +6 in relation to the boottip markings on my pair of 190´s. Wouldn´t change a thing.

I´m on the line on 186 LP´s and -1 on my Shoots FWIW, normally don´t like being forward, but the mount lines on the old explosivs are ridiculously far back.

[ChowdahRidah]

Thanks! Any other opinions on mounting point for ist gens?

[gointhewater]

I took the mounting point from the best explosiv ever made, the buddha (fuck off all you Gandalf homos), and applied it to my 1st gens. Looks to be about 3.5-4 cms forward of the schuhspitze mark (I can do the math again if you are interested). No complaints, skis like a fuggin' champ. Actually I've been using these 16-17 year old legends pretty much everyday this season.
And as a side note, I don't beleive the k2 big kahunas pictured by Lexi-Bell (purple, black, & blue, page 2) are explosivs. Bought a pristine pair at the swap this year, has vertical sidewalls, has "schuhspitze" boot tip mark, and have to admit the shape looks an awful lot like an explosiv. But the widest part of the waist measures to 88, not the classic 95. Sorry Lexi.

[ChowdahRidah]

Yes!!!! That is what I was looking for!!! Thank you! I had a pair of Buddahs stupidly sold them, now have a pair of 1st gens. Mine do not say schuhspitze on them but I am assuming you are referring to the arrow on the side wall just after the size?
My pair are a 180, so does the 3.5 -4 still apply? Bottom line: the 1st gen. mount point is a bit back compared to the buddahs and I should consider going forward if I want them to ski in a similar way?

[gointhewater]

Ok release clause first. I'm a fucking math moron, there's a reason why I was a history major in college. So you may want to recheck my numbers.
Running a tape measure along the base of the buddhas I get a total length of around 177.5 cm (again I'm no carpenter either), with the midsole mark around 73.7 cm (measured from the tail).
73.7/177.5= .415211268
Total length of 1st gen. dayglosivs 179 cm
179x.415211268=74.3
So 74.3 cm from the tail is your midsole mark. Which, like I mentioned earlier, seems to be +3.5-4 cm of the boot tip mark.
And to answer your question, yes. If you want to make your 1st gens ski more like buddhas, mount them forward. But they will not obviously ski exactly the same. As much as people like to point out that the dimensions were the same for so long, they ski differently.

[EarlyWood]

Can anyone verify if the Explosiv 3 model does or does not have two metal layers?
I grabbed a pair at a swap a couple years ago...they be in the garage...just curious..

[SorryBro]

Can anyone verify if the Explosiv 3 model does or does not have two metal layers?
I grabbed a pair at a swap a couple years ago...they be in the garage...just curious..

Yes, it does. My Explosiv 3 have a metal top layer that I drilled through when mounting bindings and the fresh core shot in the bottom went to a different metal layer.

[EarlyWood]

many thanks SB...I verified your verification yesterday with a utility knife..metal top sheet (the one I thought was missing) full length.
They just felt softer than buddhas plus the construction/design on the 3s doesn't have the top sheet metal exposed to the edge of sidewall like the buddha sidewall constuction.
good ski swap find, not xactly their prettiest top sheet..

[Bluebird]

^^ finally mounting those 3's, good work. On a sadder note I am finally retiring my first pair of sploders. My daily drivers, the buddha's have finally given up. It was a long, glorious life or them, but it is their time. They will find a home in a chair, shot ski, etc.

Time to call in a reinforcement!

[jgb@etree]

'sploders like to hang out together:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6558/somesploders.jpg

Wizard's ready for the snow:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3749/wizard1i.jpg

I may be biased, but think that this ^^ is one of the purdiest ski/binding combos ever. (thanks for the hookup on those clamps BB!)

So what did we figure out, EW? The Explosiv 3 & Wizards were the same length (189) but the budda and pnh skis were a little shorter - do you remember how much?

[EarlyWood]

'sploders like to hang out together:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6558/somesploders.jpg

Wizard's ready for the snow:

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3749/wizard1i.jpg

I may be biased, but think that this ^^ is one of the purdiest ski/binding combos ever. (thanks for the hookup on those clamps BB!)

no bias... a perfect combination "meant to be" color match like the were painted with the ski and a frkn 20 din


So what did we figure out, EW? The Explosiv 3 & Wizards were the same length (189) but the budda and pnh skis were a little shorter - do you remember how much?

I'm going with 187 on the buddas but it's all a bit of a blur ..for some reason :-)
I'll double check measurements and edit here later...

did some more flexing on the 3s and convinced they're softer. They're not beat and are in good condition....almost like this is the ladies version of an explosiv (seriously no offense to ladies meant)...but these are a couple cm longer than buddas..
am thinking the top sheet of metal would have to stretch to the sidewalls like the buddha's to match the stiffer flex plus maybe the top sheet is not as thick(may check)...or a different wood core was used... or all of that...

Interestingly the only mounting location given on the 3s is the schuhspitze toe mark, leaving a lot to the imagination for a big boot. I'm happy with where we landed based on all the skis shown in jgb's first pic.

If anyone has solid schuhspitze mark info go ahead and post it... toe of 350 boot is now almost 5cm beyond schuhspitze and it looks right to me

vibes on the buddhas BB ...something tells me you'll find a replacement :-)

[Bluebird]

Oh I've got another pair of buddhas ready to go. And a neon, and a blue, and a spare neon....

Only problem is I am not sure they are going to be my go to ski anymore up here. we'll see.

I have found about 3.5cm on 180's so 5cm could be right for 190's??

Those 3's are just a mystery. If you ever take one apart let me know. THe graphic is so bad I have never been drawn to get a set.

[el penoso]

Looks like they are the real deal. I probably would have pulled the trigger if it were not for the 88$ ship.
And it says used but its clearly in plastic.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BIG-KAHUNA-K2-11-5MM-SIDECUT-DIN-7890-III-CRUD-KILLER-/150717401854?pt=Skiing&hash=item2317750afe

[chickenmonkey]

This seems to be the place to ask/post this. I have procured 180 V-Explosives from either 2001 or 2002. They are the same as in the below thread but 180 in length.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/101109-01-02-190-Volkl-Explosiv-s-w-912-ti-250?

My question is about mounting point. They are mounted with Naxos and the previous owner had them set about +4 of the line with about a 307 bsl. My bsl is 295 and now I am about +5 of the line.

The line is roughly at 74 cm from the tail. My boot center mark is roughly 79 cm from the tail.

It's just the plain line, so I am guessing it is boot center and not boot toe. But is it the moved up boot center like the buddhas or the further back boot center like on previous years?

[chickenmonkey]

I recently procured a set of 2000 or 2001 Thor V-Explosives with the slight twin tail. They are 180s and have the same topsheet as the ones in this post...sorry...cannot post links yet:

www dot tetongravity dot com/forums/showthread.php/101109-01-02-190-Volkl-Explosiv-s-w-912-ti-250

I believe these are the ones with a boot center mark as it just has the plain line without "schuhspitze" next to the line. My question is, is this the moved up line as in the buddhas or the further back line with a similar position to the "schuhspitze" versions? The line is about 74 cm measured from the tail on 180s.

The reason I am asking is they are mounted with Naxos and the previous owner had them at about +4 of the line for a 307 BSL. With my BSL of 295 they are almost +5. but want to know if I am really +5 or +2ish ... curiosity really as I will probably keep them where they are if they ski well.

I have already skied them, but in death crust conditions that were hard to assess the situation.

[chickenmonkey]

I recently procured a set of 2000 or 2001 Thor V-Explosives with the slight twin tail. They are 180s and have the same topsheet as the ones in this post...sorry...cannot post links yet:

www dot tetongravity dot com/forums/showthread.php/101109-01-02-190-Volkl-Explosiv-s-w-912-ti-250

I believe these are the ones with a boot center mark as it just has the plain line without "schuhspitze" next to the line. My question is, is this the moved up line as in the buddhas or the further back line with a similar position to the "schuhspitze" versions? The line is about 74 cm measured from the tail on 180s.

The reason I am asking is they are mounted with Naxos and the previous owner had them at about +4 of the line for a 307 BSL. With my BSL of 295 they are almost +5 or 79 cm from the tail, but want to know if I am really +5 or +2ish ... curiosity really as I will probably keep them where they are if they ski well.

I have already skied them, but in death crust conditions that were hard to assess the situation.

bumpy please

[Bluebird]

bumpy please

My 180 wizards, not the thor are back in VT so I can't say for sure, but I am pretty sure they are more center like the buddha rather than back like the neons and blues.

Sorry that really doesn't help much.

THe far back mounting of the neons and blues is pretty noticeable compared to todays skis.

[chickenmonkey]

My 180 wizards, not the thor are back in VT so I can't say for sure, but I am pretty sure they are more center like the buddha rather than back like the neons and blues.

Sorry that really doesn't help much.

THe far back mounting of the neons and blues is pretty noticeable compared to todays skis.

Thanks BB.

[leftfield]

PSA: There's a purdy pair of 180 wizards on ebay now.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Volkl-Explosive-180cm-G3-Targa-T1-Telemark-Bindings-/160699333216?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item256a6d3a60#ht_500wt_1413

[soups818]

^^Dude. WTF? Do not post ebay auctions.

[leftfield]

^^Dude. WTF? Do not post ebay auctions.
Why the fuck not? Someone will appreciate these.

[jgb@etree]

Read the r00lz:


With Gear Swap being a mockery at times, the angery one thought this was necessary...

This place probably the BEST place to sell or buy ski gear on the internet. Good ski gear that is. But there are rules. Rules that if you don't follow, the collective will eat you alive.

Here's a few.

-The Commish said it best, "If you're trying to sell gear here, don't expect to get market prices...unless you're willing to trade gonzo for a router. The standard maggot/minion pricing paradigm is:

50% of current online price (not MSRP)
-10% per year old
-10% per times drilled, per core shot, per delam...etc
-10% per marker binding attatched ;)
+10-30% for Rare/High-demand item

-EBAY AUCTIONS:
do NOT post a current auction. You could be fucking over a maggot looking to snipe. "Buy it now" auctions are ok. Posting your own auction is ok. Jokes are ok. One piece XXXXXXXL fagbags are encouraged. We know about ebay and how to use it. Did you hear Bossass scored some 916s for 30 bucks? Sweet, me too.

-If you score something for cheap, and need to sell it at a markup, go for it, but be upfront about it, becasue someone somewhere knows what you paid and will call you out about it and make you look like an ass otherwise.

-It's not worth trying to sell sub 95mm waisted skis here, unless they're very cheap park skis, or VERY CHEAP race stock skis. try epicski.com

-Coming in here your first post trying to unload a tons of things is not the best way to do it. Hang around, read first, post after. And don't spam.

-When you post up your stuff, know the specs. "Volkl powder skis with grey bindings" ain't gonna cut it.

-Pictures. Take em and post em. We understand you've only used them for a season, but many of us ski 100+ day seasons. roo's single day feats are legendary. also, drilled, mounted, ski'd or used in any manner means that they are not new, or even "like new".

-Is it mostly Buyer Beware-Sold as Seen or Make it Right-Whatever It Takes around here? well, If someone is selling skis for 150 bucks with no promises, it's buyer beware. If they're advertising a POS as a mint ski - then that AINT COOL!

-If you are un-realistic about what you are asking, the price police will swoop in and bust you. FWIW, they are usually big, if not bigger, JONG's than you. cracking on a newb cause he wants $50 more than you think his stuff is worth don't make you cool, ace. don't worry about the price police, but following the above guide (guide not RULE), will yield a better chance at a sale.

-Finally do NOT scam, rip off, or lie to a maggot. We are everywhere and we WILL fuck your shit up if you do. This place is unlike any other because there is a trust found here, that you won't find anywhere else. We will ship skis without money in hand, send you free gear for a sixer, take payment at a later date, and generally hook fellow mags up. Check this out for the low down. Meet the Minions

The seller is responsible for packaging and shipping the item so that they arrive in the same condition in that they were sold.

The best and easiest way to package skis is to get a ski box from your local ski shop.

Alternatively, you can strap them together with plastic wrap, tightly wrap cardboard around them, and use a bunch of packaging tape to make the package secure. Cut up 2 liter soda bottles make good tip and binding protectors for mounted skis.

USPS is the cheapest shipping option. It is maggot public opinion that UPS blows.

That's all I got right now. Stay the course, and you'll love it here. But just remember, if you start acting a fool, The Commish may drop in and lay down the law. Even worse, the maggots may come in and offer you 800 bucks for your Rossi Cuts.

Feel free to chime in with anything I may have forgotten. Pray for snow.

Relevant part bolded. Long & short is another mag could have been getting ready to snipe 'em and such posts blow up their spot.

[leftfield]

Duly noted, consider me humbled.

[biff chalupa]

Long & short is another mag could have been getting ready to snipe 'em and such posts blow up their spot.Me being that mag, among others I assume. Talk about timing, I just removed those from my watch list (car parts taking precedence), and then stumbled upon this thread, completely out of left field. :wink:

edit: after a closer look, actually a completely different listing . . . no harm, no foul.

[el penoso]

Do people still think there are good ski deals on ebay?

[biff chalupa]

Do people still think there are good ski deals on ebay?

Sometimes there are, but usually no. Still worth checking it out though IMO.

[JayPowHound]

E
Do people still think there are good ski deals on ebay?

Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along please...



Srsly tho, I scored an undrilled pair if 180 pow + for just over $100 a few months ago. Thankfully no one posted the auction on here or one of you fuckers might have sniped 'em out from under me! :wink:

[biff chalupa]

Looks like they are the real deal. I probably would have pulled the trigger if it were not for the 88$ ship.
And it says used but its clearly in plastic.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BIG-KAHUNA-K2-11-5MM-SIDECUT-DIN-7890-III-CRUD-KILLER-/150717401854?pt=Skiing&hash=item2317750afe

I hope these went to a mag . . . this was the listing I was referring to earlier, also posted in this thread :nonono2:.

[leftfield]

^^^^That mag was me, probably wouldn't have seen them if you hadn't posted it. So thanks. Sure it's greece(!) but purchase price and shipping are guaranteed by ebay so thought i'd throw the dice. I'll post em' up in this thread if/when i get them.

BTW, anybody know which rebadged sploders these are? I'm guessing 2nd or 3rd generation.

[gointhewater]

Don't mean to rain on your explosiv parade leftfield, but I'm not sure those are the real deal. Bought some of the same exact ones at the Bozeman ski swap last year (posted about it on page 5).
Long story short, everything looked good but the waist measured 88 not 95.
It could've been just my pair though. Post your own findings.

[leftfield]

Don't mean to rain on your explosiv parade leftfield, but I'm not sure those are the real deal. Bought some of the same exact ones at the Bozeman ski swap last year (posted about it on page 5).
Long story short, everything looked good but the waist measured 88 not 95.
It could've been just my pair though. Post your own findings.

I did see your post before i bid but what length were yours? I thought i read a few posts on here saying that the 180's had a 88 waist while the 190's had a 95 waist(?). If that's true, i'd LOVE to hear the explanation behind it.

Paging squaretail....

[chickenmonkey]

I did see your post before i bid but what length were yours? I thought i read a few posts on here saying that the 180's had a 88 waist while the 190's had a 95 waist(?). If that's true, i'd LOVE to hear the explanation behind it.

Paging squaretail....

Just measured my 180 Thors and they were 94 mm at the mount line. I did use a cheap measuring tape so maybe 95 and would not consider it scientific or anything. That said, it was not 88 mm.

[leftfield]

Just measured my 180 Thors and they were 94 mm at the mount line. I did use a cheap measuring tape so maybe 95 and would not consider it scientific or anything. That said, it was not 88 mm.

I'm referring to the ones with the rebadged K2 topsheet.

[el penoso]

Dude those are the real thing, nothing to worry about. German on the sidewall, shape and everything looks similar to my cmh's. So minty, I defiantly would of bought those but already have some 190s. The dude clearly couldn't get his numbers right but all the pics confirmed it. You got a great deal.

Pm mtnlion if you have doubts he's kind of resident expert at these.

[biff chalupa]

^^^^That mag was me, probably wouldn't have seen them if you hadn't posted it. So thanks. Sure it's greece(!) but purchase price and shipping are guaranteed by ebay so thought i'd throw the dice. I'll post em' up in this thread if/when i get them.

BTW, anybody know which rebadged sploders these are? I'm guessing 2nd or 3rd generation.

I'm glad to hear it. If I didn't have to buy a brand new drivers side mirror (a special thanks to the southie trash who smashed it) I would have been all over those, but a bidding war would have sucked for the both of us. Nothing like a one bid win. Definitely post some pics when you get them mounted with some purty binders. I'm content living vicariously through your pictures for the time being.:D

[srsosbso]

A few years back every other local in the lift-line here at Red Mountain, BC was on explosivs, mostly the CMH version, 'cause they could be picked up cheap. There are still a ton of those being skied here, especially early season. I never owned them, but I've been on a pair of Bros the last couple of years which, of course, are a bit explosiv-esque.

[gointhewater]

Indeed, the ones I bought were the 180's. I too would love an explanation. Good luck!

[soups818]

Well Christmas came a few days early this year for me and I almost came in my pants. Got home today and sitting at my door were some 190 Explosive 3's I bought sight unseen on CL from a guy in WA. Bought them for $150/shipped with bindings!

The kicker is they are MINT and I mean MINT. On top of that they've only been mounted once with matching TEAL 997's already mounted for my BSL.

http://images3a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp7344%3B%3Enu%3D3363%3E2%3C6%3E%3A6%3 B%3EWSNRCG%3D37799%3B6%3A69336nu0mrj

http://images5a.snapfish.com/232323232%7Ffp63565%3Enu%3D3363%3E2%3C6%3E%3A6%3B% 3EWSNRCG%3D37799%3B5243336nu0mrj

SCORE!

Now I just need to find some Wizard's with Neon Yellow 997's

[EarlyWood]

Nice score soup...
jgb and I just remounted the same pair... debated the schuhspitze toe mark for a while. You may (or you may not) want to review the whole schuhspitze thing. There's no boot center on the ski. With a 350mm boot, it just didn't seem right to use the toe mark.
That said..I haven't skied em yet.

[soups818]

^^Thanks. Right now the bindings fit my 328 BSL and they are mounted at the schuhspitze mark. Gonna ski 'em a few times first since there's no harm in that and if I have to remount I will more forward. Just looking at it they do look way back as it is now, I couldn't imagine a 350 BSL at that mark. How far from the tail did you mount the boot center?

[EarlyWood]

Edit....my toe is @ 5cm north of the schuhspitze toe mark... based on a number of explosivs that we had on hand, a little on line research which was vague... mostly seat of the pants and beer.
I'll measure the tail thing tomorrow or so..
maybe the schuhspitze is good for you..wouldn't thurt to try for sure

[leftfield]

Well Christmas came a few days early this year for me and I almost came in my pants. Got home today and sitting at my door were some 190 Explosive 3's I bought sight unseen on CL from a guy in WA. Bought them for $150/shipped with bindings!

The kicker is they are MINT and I mean MINT. On top of that they've only been mounted once with matching TEAL 997's already mounted for my BSL.

SCORE!

Now I just need to find some Wizard's with Neon Yellow 997's

That's a hell of a score and i am envious.

[jgb@etree]

Edit....my toe is @ 5cm north of the schuhspitze toe mark... based on a number of explosivs that we had on hand, a little on line research which was vague... mostly seat of the pants and beer.

You make it sound like our methods were less than scientific ;)

[EarlyWood]

I'd put our deductive reasoning against anybodies..

so soup, I just measured....we have boot center at 79 cm from the tail...puts my toe exactly 5cm north of the schuhspitze...other boot sizes will vary.. this suits me, looks all kinda proportional to my other mount on Buddha's and to jgb's wizards...again, though, I haven't skied em and yeah your mount looks way far back...but just take this with a grain of salt and something to chew on...there are no real rules...there a few commandments out there and shit but I lost track

[leftfield]

I won these on an ebay auction i saw in this thread a week ago(i was the only bidder) for $188 shipped. Got them today, straight from greece of all places. They arrived at work this morning and i've been hand-fucking them all day. They're the real deal. Unmounted, completely mint. I am so happy in the pants right now. Except of course this only guarantees it's not going to snow in CO again this season.

Biff Chalupa, i owe you beers.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/mvaligore/IMG_1212-1.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/mvaligore/IMG_1213.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/mvaligore/IMG_1210.jpg

Think i'll mount them with gold/black fks 185's. Steezy yet still classy.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i179/mvaligore/IMG_1214.jpg

[El Chupacabra]

^^^ Brand new, undrilled? Nice!

IMHO, search for the recommended boot center line measurement on the 190 Explosiv, wizard or buddha version, and mount there. Or maybe even +1 or +1.5 from there, depending on your tastes.

If you mount based on the boot tip (schuhspitze), it will be pretty far back on the ski. So unless you know you like that far-rearward-mount, I recommend the updated wizard or buddha mount.

[LC]

I mounted my 190 Explosiv 2's at about +2cm (based on the schuhspitze mark for a 315mm boot), as this was the toe position that dodged to old holes best. It looks really far back, but they rip. I've never instantly cliked with a new ski like I did with these. Full report coming soon once I get a few more days on them, including home rocker photos.

[leftfield]

^^^ Brand new, undrilled? Nice!

IMHO, search for the recommended boot center line measurement on the 190 Explosiv, wizard or buddha version, and mount there. Or maybe even +1 or +1.5 from there, depending on your tastes.

If you mount based on the boot tip (schuhspitze), it will be pretty far back on the ski. So unless you know you like that far-rearward-mount, I recommend the updated wizard or buddha mount.

Thanks Chup, i've seen a few threads on this. When i unretired my wizards(since re-retired) a few years ago, i was forced to mount them at +3. I thought i loved them before at the center mount but at +3 they felt like a totally different ski. So yeah, i'm shooting for a similar mount, maybe +2.

[biff chalupa]

Leftfield, those are so sick. I'm jealous as fuck. I'm digging your chosen binding combo, so classy. They looked lighter, in color, on e-bay, but your pics have me thinking they're my favorite top sheet. So fucking jealous. Enjoy.

[verbier61]

there is a pair of slightly used blue explosive for sale at 250 swiss francs in the central square in verbier

[LC]

Quick setup shot: Explosiv 2's with 997s. Photos embed OK from Facebook I hope. Another amazing day on these beasts today on Pas de Chevre, these things rule in anything under 15cm fresh, probably replacing my 06/07 LPs completely. Full review and home rocker shots still to follow...

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/391895_10150646011149657_512239656_11576661_109767 8694_n.jpg

[el penoso]

Biff Chalupa, i owe you beers.


You have poor memory, I'll take the beer.

[leftfield]

You have poor memory, I'll take the beer.

Apparently i do. Expect a PM next time i'm in tahoe. Or if you're in CO.

[kbahus]

Does anyone have any idea how/where the Volkl Snow Ranger fits in with the Explosive? Slightly narrower I am sure but otherwise how does it ski?

[El Chupacabra]

Does anyone have any idea how/where the Volkl Snow Ranger fits in with the Explosive? Slightly narrower I am sure but otherwise how does it ski?

I had a pair of 190s or 200s, can't remember. They were around 80mm in the waist.

I liked them more than the Volkl G4/G40/variations, but it's been a few years since I had them. Similar construction, 2 layers of metal, stiff-ish ski.

[kbahus]

I had a pair of 190s or 200s, can't remember. They were around 80mm in the waist.

I liked them more than the Volkl G4/G40/variations, but it's been a few years since I had them. Similar construction, 2 layers of metal, stiff-ish ski.

Thanks for the info. I picked up a pair up of 180's locally and was thinking about mounting some bindings on them and making them my daily drivers but not sure if it is worth the hassle or not. Bases are nice with some surface rust on the edges, look to be in good shape aside from the Marker M54 bindings.

[Alaskan Rover]

I think I have seen a lineup of all vintages of the legendary Explosiv a while ago.

Can anyone point me in the direction... have tried searching all over the interweb.

If this does not exist, we should try to compile a list to honor this workhorse :)

(just aquired a pair of the old yellow Explosivs, and wondered how old they are...)

I remember my Volkl Explosivs as being some of the tightest, most well-made (except for the topsheet delam common in the mid-eighties) perforamnce skis made. I considered them like the Porsche 911 of skis. I raced on a longer pair of Volkl P10's....also extremely well-engineered skis. They were different than the Explosivs of course....I considered them more like a highspeed Porsche 956 Can-Am machine. I also skied on the Renntigers (these ones really had the delam problem)...they were more like a Mercedes S600...very stable. I remember Volkls always being very expensive compared to lots of other skis, but like Porsche and Mercedes, they were worth it.

But the Explosivs were definitely the go-to machine of choice!!! The only vintage skis I liked just as well, and therefore kept (wish I'd kept the explosivs, too!!) were a great pair of K2 KVC's....I absolutely loved those hot skis!!

My fav thing about 1980s competition Volkls were there outrageous (for THEN) hot neon coloors!!

--

[ulty_guy]

Quick setup shot: Explosiv 2's with 997s. Photos embed OK from Facebook I hope. Another amazing day on these beasts today on Pas de Chevre, these things rule in anything under 15cm fresh, probably replacing my 06/07 LPs completely. Full review and home rocker shots still to follow...



You rockered them? Wanna have a go on mine? Got the same ones.

[biff chalupa]

You have poor memory, I'll take the beer.

Apparently i do. Expect a PM next time i'm in tahoe. Or if you're in CO.

Ha, and I thought the beers were for not starting a bidding war. Oh well. I was pissed the auction was posted in here, but at least they ended up in a mags hands.

[leftfield]

Whatever, I'm happy enough right now to buy both you fuckers beer.

[mntlion]

http://www.mec.ca/Apps/outdoorGearSwap/gearswap_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=25343743 02884102&refNo=265082&category_cd=Snowsports&sub_category_cd=Skis

190cm, $40

[biff chalupa]

thanks mntlion, awesome find. I just e-mailed him.

[syrneh]

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So ive been lurking here for the last few weeks soaking up all i can about the elusive neon explosiv and won these 180s off of ebay last week, shipped for 122$ and change. There is no language noting the toe mount line but im going to mount 2.5cm in front of it. The wealth of mounting information here has been very useful. There is a bit of a delam on the tail corner so some rivets will be in order. Cant wait to get some MT snow under these babies!

[RockChalk]

^^^FUCK OFF- FUCK OFF- FUCK OFF^^^

:cussing::the_finge

I had a feeling that the cunt stain who sniped these from me would pop up around here.

[syrneh]

^^^^
You cant just post a max bid then hope like some third garde girl. You obvisouly didnt want it as much as me. hahahahaha

[gwat]

Since we're talking about Explosivs.......
Got a pair of 190 Explosiv 3s, mounted twice (Sally demo + unknown), MINT shape, make an offer if you need these.....

[RockChalk]

^^^^
You cant just post a max bid then hope like some third garde girl. You obvisouly didnt want it as much as me. hahahahaha

Just venting, go fuck yourself, though.

Ill sell you some mint neon yellow solly 997 14 din equipe clamps, if you really want to steeze 'em out. (that was my plan, anwways)

[mntlion]

http://www.mec.ca/Apps/outdoorGearSwap/gearswap_detail.jsp?FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=25343743 02884102&refNo=267339&category_cd=Snowsports&sub_category_cd=Skis


http://calgary.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-sporting-goods-exercise-ski-190-CMH-Volkl-Explosiv-Rock-Skis-W0QQAdIdZ352573546

[syrneh]

Hey rock chalk you best check out that pair in calgary cause im thinkin a guy like you would be much better off with a softer version of these skis.

[syrneh]

Realing though thanks for the offer but i got them figured.

[RockChalk]

Meh, go fuck yourself. Im not even mad about the skis (especially with the news of tail delam), you just seem like a douche.

Ski off?

[syrneh]

So heres the extent of the damage to the ebay explosiv i got last week. Still very easy to farmer fix at this stage. They have alot of vertical left in them.
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[biff chalupa]

that's nothing.

[chickenmonkey]

Just thought I'd report back on what I ended up with.

After skiing these a bit I decided I'd be happier with them mounted further back. The recommended line on these were 735 mm. I ended up mounting Barons on them at +1 or 745 mm from the tail.

I skied them today and was very happy with the new position. It was a bit weird looking at all that shovel compared to my other skis, but the skis really came to life with the reward mount. My guess is I could have gone up 1 more cm and been okay, but I am happy where they are...much better than +5...at least for me.



This seems to be the place to ask/post this. I have procured 180 V-Explosives from either 2001 or 2002. They are the same as in the below thread but 180 in length.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/101109-01-02-190-Volkl-Explosiv-s-w-912-ti-250?

My question is about mounting point. They are mounted with Naxos and the previous owner had them set about +4 of the line with about a 307 bsl. My bsl is 295 and now I am about +5 of the line.

The line is roughly at 74 cm from the tail. My boot center mark is roughly 79 cm from the tail.

It's just the plain line, so I am guessing it is boot center and not boot toe. But is it the moved up boot center like the buddhas or the further back boot center like on previous years?

[hooked]

PSA - http://eastidaho.craigslist.org/spo/2845546590.html

[syrneh]

that's nothing.
Yea im glad the seller didnt mention anything about it. I wouldve been thinking 'over fifteen years old and beginning to delaminate that dosnt sound good'.

[fat yeti]

Love my 180 Explosiv 3 great early season skis.