186 EHPS one ski quiver?

[deeppo]

Ok, ive been planning on buying two pairs of skis this year if $$ allows. I was thinking Obseths and maybe the megawatts or pontoons. Maybe its the graphics but the 186 EHPs seem like a great ski( versatile reverse camber). Last year I skied on a pair of lib tech NAS pows and then a pair of libs Recurves. I know have the recurves set with dukes as my bc ski(heavy but great all around set up. Now Im thinking about getting a pair or ehps putting some solly binders on them and I would be set. All though I avoid bumps like the plague I do live in Telluride where bumps are hard to avoid. Ski would also need to be stable on high speed groomers(very high speed). Any thoughts?
Thanks
dp

[Summit]

It is NOT a one ski quiver.

[corn dog]

I do live in Telluride where bumps are hard to avoid. Ski would also need to be stable on high speed groomers(very high speed).

I can imagine it being a reasonable one-ski quiver in certain situations, but thats not one of them.

[pechelman]

inbounds, bumps, high speeds groomers, pow, etc
i think youd be better of sticking with something that has more effective edge and just a little tip rocker, like the obsethed

[deeppo]

How much rocker do the ehps have?? I did ski a 117 underfoot ski with some but not much rocker and liked them in most conditions. Bumps where alittle tough but managable. Might have to see what kind of deal I can get on the obseths.
dp

[Summit]

No.

Stop trying to rationalize it.

Not only do they have tip and tail rocker, almost no sidecut, and 116 underfoot, they have almost no camber in short effective edge section. These are not ripping groomer skis. They are ski blades.

Sell your LibTecs.
Buy the EHP186, mount with Dukes.
Buy these 4FRNT TNK 180s for $260 mount with Sollys. http://www.backcountryoutlet.com/outlet/FTS0015/4FRNT-Skis-TNK-Alpine-Ski.html

[njfreeskier]

the graphic is pretty sweet, but a one ski quiver it isnt. since you already have a rockered, somewhat fat ski with dukes, why don't you get something a little more firm snow oriented with a 90 to a 100 waist like a bro, prophet, gotama, etc. that way you'll be set.

[Fuorilegge]

Another vote for NOT rationalizing buying the wrong skis. IMO, the EHP is not the best fit for your wants and needs.

I would second the Obseths....


How much rocker do the ehps have?? I did ski a 117 underfoot ski with some but not much rocker and liked them in most conditions. Bumps where alittle tough but managable. Might have to see what kind of deal I can get on the obseths.
dp

[iscariot]

Another vote for NOT rationalizing buying the wrong skis. IMO, the EHP is not the best fit for your wants and needs.

I would second the Obseths....

Third

Do I hear a motion to buy?

[Fuorilegge]

Mr. President, I would like to make a motion to spend this other guys money on a pair of Obseths. However, please be sure to state my address as the shipping address.

Can I please get a second?

Might I also add the Black Diamond Verdict to your list of considerations! Great ski and decent for a quiver of one.


Third

Do I hear a motion to buy?

[deeppo]

Ill probably get the obseths and maybe pick a big pow ski if I can afford it(I cant get a great price on the EHP but how are they as a pure powder ski?). I do love the lib recurves but would like to have fat pair of skis with solly binders on them. Dukes are great but there still not as solid. What about the line bacon. are they too soft for cruising?
dp

[Summit]

(I cant get a great price on the EHP but how are they as a pure powder ski?)

Awesome. 95% the performance of things like the ARG/138/Spat.

[SiSt]

From having tried them a little bit, and skiing with a friend who use them as a 1 ski quiver (madens for early season), I´d say they are a pretty good 1 ski quiver if you only ski off-piste. Good in trees, great in pow, stiff and little sidecut to handle chop and haul ass yet short running length make them easy to throw around. IMO 116mm is the new 100mm.

I was not going to post in this thread, but these other guys responses made me do it just to counterweight a bit.

[esagen]

Skied the ehp 186 for one season now (as a quiver ski) and must say - my favorite ski ever. Handles mixed terrain and snow surprisingly well, killer in pow and trees and can actually cope quite well on the groomers. Of course not your priority pick skiing hard-pack slopes, but it can handle it - though your carving turns may suffer. Fun all-mountain ski for softer days.

Any considerations for the new ehp 193? Supposed to be influenced by the 186 with rocker design, though stiffer(??), less pintail and longer running length. May suit your requirements as one quiver ski better?

[deeppo]

The 186 sounds pretty sweet. Ill pick up a pair of 105 waisted skis for everyday use(hopefully the obseths, maybe helix? , or goats)Tempted by the 193 but have a feeling that with all the very tight trees in tride the 86 will come in more handy.
dp

[grskier]

The 186 sounds pretty sweet. Ill pick up a pair of 105 waisted skis for everyday use(hopefully the obseths, maybe helix? , or goats)Tempted by the 193 but have a feeling that with all the very tight trees in tride the 86 will come in more handy.
dp

If you are looking for something stiffer than a goat but very similar dimensions, check out the High Society FRs... I ski them as an everyday and am on Sumos for the big days.... also have a pair of 193 EHPs I'm trying to get rid of but may just throw some binders on them for the 4-6" days

[leroy jenkins]

I rocked the 193's as a one ski quiver at bridger for a month or so. It sucked, they were horrible. In pow, not so bad, but they are not meant to ski hardpack.

I'd think the 183's would be even worse.

[Fuorilegge]

Took less than 20 posts for you to convince yourself to go with the EHP, eh?

Self rationalization is a wonderful thing. ;)


The 186 sounds pretty sweet. Ill pick up a pair of 105 waisted skis for everyday use(hopefully the obseths, maybe helix? , or goats)Tempted by the 193 but have a feeling that with all the very tight trees in tride the 86 will come in more handy.
dp

[deeppo]

Took less than 20 posts for you to convince yourself to go with the EHP, eh?

Self rationalization is a wonderful thing. ;)

No I realize that they are not a one ski quiver type ski so ill have to buy two pairs of skis this year. Oh well. Still contemplating the ehps. I need to talk to a couple of buddies about other options for skis.
dp

[esagen]

What about the Lhasa Pows? More versatile than the ehps and far more intriguing than the obseths...

[Summit]

What about the Lhasa Pows? More versatile than the ehps and far more intriguing than the obseths...

I'd say the Lhasa Pows sacrifice soft snow performance for that so called versatility.

140-112-122 rockered tip
vs
129-116-123 rockered tip and tail

It would be versatility for him wanting a one ski quiver though... if they hold together...

[pechelman]

o rly?
ive never been on 186 ehps, but the rockers ive skied on absolutely slay soft snow.
i like them more in pow than 183 axioms, 186 spats, 192 bros, and really any other ski ive been on.

you should try out my pair sometime summit.
theyre mounted for a 306mm dynafit, but wont go much smaller.
hoping to have a new pair this season, and if i do, theyll be mounted again at 306, but with lots of adjustment either way
had to bias the mount on the pair i have due to hole conflicts

[tenB]

You might want to try 190 ehp as your one ski quiver. They ski like gots, only stiffer. I had 50 days on them last year with zero issues and I liked them so much, I just picked up another pair on tramdock for less than $400 shipped.

They do ski a lot like the vct, which would also be a good option. The 186 and 193 ehps are super fun, but I agree with most here, they give up a lot when it gets firm.

[Long duc dong]

I love my EHP 186's, but they are not a one ski quiver. I would get some gotama's, vct's, obseths.....Something like that.


EDIT: Looks like you came up with the same plan. I would same go for it, 105 waist and EHP would rule.

[corn dog]

Wild speculation on 186 EHP v Brocker:
EHP should be more pivoty, whereas the LhasaPow should feel more conventional on hardpack.
On steeper firmer snow sounds like, with the fat tip to straight tail the Lhasa pow tail can wash out unless you stay way forward. EHP is almost straight and I'm guessing it will be rather good, for its width, for steep billygoating.
EHP has more of the sharknose than the fatter turned up tip of Lhasa Pow, I'm guessing it will knocked around a little less in crud.

[/wild speculation]

[pechelman]

id say youre not too far off corn dog

the difference though is about 40 extra cm of running length to help it from being washy
the tip also has a bit of splay, so its not as if the tip is fighting the tail overly much in firmer\steeper snow
as far as crud, i cant really comment on a comparison, but the couple resort days ive skied lots of crud in them, they just surfed right over everything and almost made it feel like it was untracked.

really, theyre 2 drastically different skis imo
like you said, the EHP is pivoty, and the Brocker is meant to be a seamless hard\soft snow ski you can ski forward and aggressively at all times

edit: and ill just add one oberservation that i noticed when designing these skis a couple years ago now. The tip\wait ratio of the Legend Pros and Igneous FFF are identical +/-1mm and no one complains about either of those skis tips hanging up or being hooky. (more to the point, the FFF is also almost identically shaped in widths and no one complains about those either)

[Summit]

o rly?
ive never been on 186 ehps, but the rockers ive skied on absolutely slay soft snow.
i like them more in pow than 183 axioms, 186 spats, 192 bros, and really any other ski ive been on.

you should try out my pair sometime summit.
theyre mounted for a 306mm dynafit, but wont go much smaller.
hoping to have a new pair this season, and if i do, theyll be mounted again at 306, but with lots of adjustment either way
had to bias the mount on the pair i have due to hole conflicts

I'll give em a try... I'm on 296 Spirit 3s (so the mount is shorter than a normal 296)

Comments based on owning DP120s which ought to perform similarly to those Lhasas (but the DPS are fatter and lighter obviously)