Witherspoons money tree.

[doughboyshredder]

Put your fucking money where your mouth is, goddammit.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/view/main/Emu


Witherspoon started it with a contribution and 200.00 offered for matching funds.

On TGR Lizhnik has 50.00 left to match, Wendigo has 100.00, I have 100.00.

Works like this donate 10, 25, 50 or 100 and it will be matched. You also have to pledge to match donations up to 100.

[David Witherspoon]

Here's the results:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/us/politics/15donors.html

It's gonna take that much again in September, and again in October,
to give the Republican Party the sound thrashing it so desperately needs and deserves;
and to firmly deep-six "The Senator Formerly Known as Straight-Talking" and his pet wingnut moose.

Chip in. Running the United States is serious business.

[Jer]

Here's the results:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/15/us/politics/15donors.html

It's gonna take that much again in September, and again in October,
to give the Republican Party the sound thrashing it so desperately needs and deserves;
and to firmly deep-six "The Senator Formerly Known as Straight-Talking" and his pet wingnut moose.

I think it's gonna take WAY more than that.

[TruckeeLocal]

It's gonna take that much again in September, and again in October, to give the Republican Party the sound thrashing it so desperately needs and deserves;
Reality check. It's going to take votes, and more specifically votes in swing states, which convert to votes in the electoral college, on November 4th. Buying votes is so old school.

[David Witherspoon]

Reality check: Money matters.

Ground work costs money (http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/on-road-las-vegas-nevada.html). Republicans have it. Registering voters, getting out the vote, getting the message out costs money. Fighting fire with water is expensive as hell. Building a margin sufficient to overcome the hidden racist vote ain't gonna come cheap.

My donation is worthless in Utah, but it backs up Colorado & Nevada volunteers & staff very effectively.

Cough up. It's time to let the adults run the store.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5ieXw28ZUpg/SNCJPCLhg3I/AAAAAAAAABk/QJhKJ8wOobc/S1600-R/0916_swing.png

[Lizhnik]

Reality check. It's going to take votes, and more specifically votes in swing states, which convert to votes in the electoral college, on November 4th. Buying votes is so old school.

Alternatively, you could say, "I'm broke", or "I want a pair of those new Dynafit 12 DINs" or whatever the real reason is you don't want to fork over any cash. Considering how the electoral college system works, it seems to me that donating money is much more effective than voting, in a lot of cases. Mine, for example.

[TruckeeLocal]

Alternatively, you could say, "I'm broke", or "I want a pair of those new Dynafit 12 DINs" or whatever the real reason is you don't want to fork over any cash. Considering how the electoral college system works, it seems to me that donating money is much more effective than voting, in a lot of cases. Mine, for example.
Actually I totally agree. Having said that we, well my wife, has forked over money to Obama and has even bought logo gear at an absurd markup. Next she's planning on going to help out in Nevada. Meanwhile I'm a registered republican living in a blue state but red county (although Doolittle has tried to sabotage that) with a red Arnold (who's kinda blue). In any event voting matters especially on local issues. So I'm helping out on at least three local campaigns. It's estimated that volunteers are worth six times the equivalent contributions (not sure who came up with that one). So perhaps donating money isn't the most effective approach. Getting involved, and not on an anonymous message board, is far more valuable to the democratic process.

[David Witherspoon]

It's estimated that volunteers are worth six times the equivalent contributions (not sure who came up with that one).
I put no stock in such simplistic economist handwaving. But - having played all sides of that game repeatedly - I'd agree that volunteers are worth a hell of a lot. "Six times" implies an unwarranted precision of models and data, but feels about right. So I won't disagree.

I also know that without cash, volunteers are severely crippled - almost to the point of impotence. And raising that cash takes a surprising amount of time and effort.

I'm extremely involved in local issues (where "local" refers to Salt Lake County and City; the Wasatch/Cache/Uinta National Forest), and I find it necessary to contribute not just time, but cash. Economist hand-waving calculations show that I contribute about 200x more time-value than cash; multiplied by the 6x volunteer factor puts me at 1,200x more time-value than cash-value; which has gotta be a severe investment imbalance.

But my current situation makes it extremely unlikely that I will be able to volunteer to campaign in either Nevada or Colorado. Some things I just can't do. So I'll have to take a mainly-cash role this time around. That's the most efficient way for me to contribute at this time.

Thank your wife for me, Truckee.

[TruckeeLocal]

Thank your wife for me, Truckee.
Why ? She's a librodouche who teases me relentlessly about my political leanings and involvement. I reciprocate. Politics can get nasty.

[Lizhnik]

Actually I totally agree. Having said that we, well my wife, has forked over money to Obama and has even bought logo gear at an absurd markup. Next she's planning on going to help out in Nevada. Meanwhile I'm a registered republican living in a blue state but red county (although Doolittle has tried to sabotage that) with a red Arnold (who's kinda blue). In any event voting matters especially on local issues. So I'm helping out on at least three local campaigns. It's estimated that volunteers are worth six times the equivalent contributions (not sure who came up with that one). So perhaps donating money isn't the most effective approach. Getting involved, and not on an anonymous message board, is far more valuable to the democratic process.

Well, touche! I kind of guessed you weren't exactly sitting on your hands. Unfortunately, living far from the US, money is all I can really offer, besides my vote. And don't sell the message board short, in this case it led to actual results. It is a community, in its own right.

[doughboyshredder]

Even more shit has gone down this week.

If you are thinking about donating, do it here.

[splat]

How did you guys get your screen names in there and all that TGR relevant stuff?

I'm down.

[doughboyshredder]

Witherspoon has editing capabilities of that page.

Click on the contribute button. Then at the bottom of that page there is a comment field, where you can insert a message for witherspoon.

Then post on here and call out who you want to match your funds. The money bar gets updated every five minutes, so it is easy to verify.

I would be glad to match your donation splat.

[qwert]

I hope this turns out to be a very expensive lesson for all of you regarding your political impotence. Especially Witherspoon. I hope, in the end, that all of his money, time and effort is for naught. Not because I'm a huge McCain fan or stand resolutely against Obama. I just think that when fuckin' self righteous, finger-wagging windbags like Witherspoon lose - common sense and human decency prevail. He really is that abhorrent.

[Dromond]

Even more shit has gone down this week.

If you are thinking about donating, do it here.

I donated last week. I'm planning to go canvass in my home town in NH next week.

The repubs have spent my (relatively short) lifetime doing their best to annihilate the middle class, as anyone with a shred of common sense can see. I clearly remember the days in highschool in NH when there was talk of shutting down all of the public schools because the republicans we blocking any form of new tax (of course we have no state income tax and bloated property taxes already) and there was just no revenue to provide a decent education for anyone that wasn't from an independently wealthy family. :nonono2:

I'm not saying that it's black and white and I can't think of any politician that I would consider infallible; but the choice is clear as day to me.

[qwert]

I donated last week. I'm planning to go canvass in my home town in NH next week.

The repubs have spent my (relatively short) lifetime doing their best to annihilate the middle class, as anyone with a shred of common sense can see. I clearly remember the days in highschool in NH when there was talk of shutting down all of the public schools because the republicans we blocking any form of new tax (of course we have no state income tax and bloated property taxes already) and there was just no revenue to provide a decent education for anyone that wasn't from an independently wealthy family. :nonono2:

I'm not saying that it's black and white and I can't think of any politician that I would consider infallible; but the choice is clear as day to me.

You're a child and have a child-like understanding of these issues.

[Dromond]

You're a child and have a child-like understanding of these issues.

qwert, I've seen your posts. You are a pathetic human being. You are obsessed with stating your opinions, but provide no convincing evidence to support them. Bye.

[qwert]

qwert, I've seen your posts. You are a pathetic human being. You are obsessed with stating your opinions, but provide no convincing evidence to support them. Bye.

:)

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

[wendigo]

:)

Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Sage advice, you should follow it.

[David Witherspoon]

McCain's money advantage: Starting the general election period with $200 million to Obama's $94 M.

How he can use an $84M public donation to fund his campaign and still raise and spend more money on his campaign through the RNC:
McCain Able to Skirt Limits of Federal Financing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091603321.html) while accepting federal campaign financing.

He's loopholed his own legislation.

[qwert]

McCain's money advantage: Starting the general election period with $200 million to Obama's $94 M.

How he can use an $84M public donation to fund his campaign and still raise and spend more money on his campaign through the RNC:
McCain Able to Skirt Limits of Federal Financing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/16/AR2008091603321.html) while accepting federal campaign financing.

He's loopholed his own legislation.

Your hopelessness is rising around you.

Credit: FZ

[doughboyshredder]

donate now before your money loses all its value

[woodstocksez]

If I give at least a certain amount, do I get a sweatshirt?

[TruckeeLocal]

If I give at least a certain amount, do I get a sweatshirt?
Nah. Sweatshirts are extra. But they come in designer colors at a designer price ... http://store.barackobama.com/

[splat]

I hope this turns out to be a very expensive lesson for all of you regarding your political impotence. Especially Witherspoon. I hope, in the end, that all of his money, time and effort is for naught. Not because I'm a huge McCain fan or stand resolutely against Obama. I just think that when fuckin' self righteous, finger-wagging windbags like Witherspoon lose - common sense and human decency prevail. He really is that abhorrent.

When fighting against the forces of evil, one must accept all the help one can muster. Political impotence is keeping your mouth shut.

[David Witherspoon]

Thanks, Splat!
$100, confirmed.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/outreach/graphic/main/Emu

Here's the CHALLENGE: To everyone who has never financially backed a candidate before, but knows in their heart we need Obama: CONTRIBUTE.

Need another reason? Read on ...

The meeting included many key players: Bush flanked at the table by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Obama and McCain on opposite ends of the table, Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also between the two presidential candidates and Vice President Dick Cheney across from Bush.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop)

Multiple sources said McCain didn't say much. Two Democratic leadership aides said he didn't speak until 43 minutes into the meeting.cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop)

Boehner took off in a different direction during the meeting ... As Obama and Frank peppered Boehner with questions about the new proposal, Bush rejected the idea ... wapo (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/25/AR2008092500268_2.html)

Obama asked whether the House Republicans' proposals fit in with the four principles that the leadership had agreed on, but Boehner couldn't answer that, a Democratic source said. cnn (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/25/campaign.wrap/index.html?iref=hpmostpop)

Barack Obama pressed Boehner for details, and Democrats say he did not get enough. Then Obama asked Secretary Paulson for his thoughts on the Republican plan. Paulson suggested it was unworkable. cnn video (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/26/henry.wh.deal.blows.up.cnn)

At the bipartisan White House meeting that Mr. McCain had called for a day earlier, he sat silently for more than 40 minutes, more observer than leader, and then offered only a vague sense of where he stood, said people in the meeting. nyt (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/26/us/politics/26campaign.html?_r=3)

Adults. Elect some.

[doughboyshredder]

Thanks splat.

Just matched your contribution. I don't know if you asked somebody else to and I don't really care. It's been done.

[doughboyshredder]

I am fucking broke, but will still match another fifty.

Come on people.

[Lizhnik]

It says on the site that Doughboy matched Splat in $100, so wouldn't that complete his commitment? Anyway, I'm here to say that as soon as someone matches my last $50, I'll go in for another round, and will keep doing so until I reach the legal limit, or the elections, whichever comes first. Our guy is up in the polls, but it's no time to be complacent, money is needed for the home stretch.

Doughboy, I'm really sorry to hear about your business woes. FWIW (probably not much), I lived through an economic and financial meltdown 10 years ago that seemed like the end of the world. Looking back, I realize the whole experience ultimately led to me being a much happier, stronger person, though it's the last thing I would've expected at the time. You'll get though it mang!