If McCain wins because of Palin, all future US elections will be...

[Cliff Huckable]

Palin was chosen to help the campaign, not the country. The success McCain has had with his (Rove's) pick can only mean one thing:

future US elections will be celebrity contests.
Goodbye policies/ideas/foresight.

Palin brings nothing to the table, and neither would celebrities - but they'd bring much higher recognition/approval.

For your consideration:

Palin/Toby Keith 2012

Will Smith/Jack Nicholson 2016

Brett Favre/Tiger Woods 2020

Vanessa Hudgens/Zac Efron 2024

Vanessa Hudgens/Dakota Fanning 2028

Dakota Fanning/little boy from Pampers ad 2032


...and I imagine the whole old-fashioned "election campaign" will be replaced with a reality show.

Comments? Suggestions? It's never too early to plan for the future!

[hop]

So instead of "American Idol" it will be "American President"? I guess success depends on the judges.

[BSS]

....Grasping at straws... :nonono2:

If McCain wins, it will be because of Barack. McCain is playing a man's game. This is chess. The democrats are still playing checkers, just like they did putting Kerry up four years ago. They had their chance (Hillary) and blew it. They choked at the moment of truth. Plain and simple.

I think it's kind of funny. You know, giving so much credit to someone so redneckish, underqualified, stumbling, and sheepishly ignorant. Ala shrub. You can look to place the blame wherever makes you feel most comfortable I suppose. But face it; the democrats are just begging to lose another one.

[doughboyshredder]

So instead of "American Idol" it will be "American President"? I guess success depends on the judges.

I've actually thought about this in depth. I think it could work if done properly.

Imagine a contest that starts at the city level and ends up at the presidency. The focus being on decision making skills, honesty, integrity, knowledge of current world and local affairs, etc. Start the contests four years before the presidential elections, and then field the candidate picked against the two major party candidates.

[yonskion]

....Grasping at straws... :nonono2:


McSame / Phail'n
will not win the american people even the bitter ones clutching to their guns their god their nascar and cheap beer are not that stupid.

[powder11]

US elections always have been about winning rather than issues.
McCain could really have unexpected ally that will further undermine the Obama phenom. Although Hillary is showing outward support for Obama, I'd be willing to bet the fringes of the Clinton machine are passively behind the scenes sending sabotage signals to the faithful so Hillary has another run in 2012. If Obama wins, Hillary's political career is done.
Politics is a game. You're fooling yourself if you think its ever been anything but a bunch of ego maniacs trying to win for personal gain.

[Cliff Huckable]

....Grasping at straws... :nonono2:

If McCain wins, it will be because of Barack. McCain is playing a man's game. This is chess. The democrats are still playing checkers, just like they did putting Kerry up four years ago. They had their chance (Hillary) and blew it. They choked at the moment of truth. Plain and simple.

I think it's kind of funny. You know, giving so much credit to someone so redneckish, underqualified, stumbling, and sheepishly ignorant. Ala shrub. You can look to place the blame wherever makes you feel most comfortable I suppose. But face it; the democrats are just begging to lose another one.

You know what's funny? That you don't see the connection between McCain's announcement of Palin as his running mate and the GOP ticket's suddenly higher polling numbers.
How did you miss that?
And yes, the Kerry campaign was horrid and that was the Dems losing BUT I don't see any real mistakes from them this time. The press was going crazy for Obama, then Palin was announced and the press went crazy...and the electorate ate it up.
You really missed all that? I know it is hip to blame the Dems, but I just don't see it. What specifically have they done wrong?

[Jer]

I don't see any real mistakes from them this time.

Are you blind?

[Cliff Huckable]

McSame / Phail'n
will not win the american people even the bitter ones clutching to their guns their god their nascar and cheap beer are not that stupid.


US elections always have been about winning rather than issues.


But now they are about fame.
And Palin will likely be the last candidate who will have to generate fame. In the future the candidates will already be famous. The more famous, the better. Don't you think?
Why waste chances on some politician people will have to listen to and get to know. Just bring in a celebrity: super name recognition, already vetted by the press (for years), empty vessel. Perfect.


Are you blind?

Yes.
Take my hand and walk me over to some of their major mistakes from this campaign. Be specific, please.

[timvwcom]

...Why waste chances on some politician people will have to listen to and get to know. Just bring in a celebrity: super name recognition, already vetted by the press (for years), empty vessel. Perfect.

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[Big Balls]

Wait a second, wait a second now, REPUBLICANS are the ones being blamed for playing the race/sex card this election? You gotta be kidding me. I bet Obama wouldnt have won even %10 of the primaries if he was white.

[MTT]

Just imagine if the media did not pick thier favorites and rammed them down our throuts every 5 min EVERY FUCKING DAY for two years.

There was a time the past 6 month were whenever you switched to any news channel you heard Barrak Obama withing 30 seconds. I'm just tiered of hearing the name.

And yea why to the Dem's keep putting the MOST LEFT, MOST Liberal most controveral person out there to run.

I think everyone was looking for someone to vote for besides GW in 2004, the other option was JOHN FUCKIN KERRY ?

[BSS]

McSame / Phail'n
will not win the american people even the bitter ones clutching to their guns their god their nascar and cheap beer are not that stupid.

Right. That's why they all bought John Kerry's "Can I git me one 'a them thar huntin' licenses?" schtick hook, line, and sinker, right?

Also funny how the dems were SALIVATING at having McCain on their ticket just four short years ago.

And yes, Cliff - of course I "noticed" that. Like I said; chess, not checkers. I've been waiting for Obama to counter that maneuver for weeks now. All I see and hear out of him is uncontrolled panic and high speed wobbles.

[tarkman1]

Fuck, I'm to the point where I'll celebrate the next President in office regardless of who it is.

George Bush's legacy gets worse by the minute. I'm reminded to today of his administration letting the housing crises happen because it was so damned important to give credence to the effect of the Bush tax cuts. Well, at least that's my opinion. We're seeing trickle down economics now except it's all bad that's hitting the floor.

It's not so much of the celebrity factor of Palin as much as it is the feeling that DC is so separated from...well everyone that isn't in DC. America was founded on the concept that all are created equal. Maybe, the public embracing Palin is a call for a government of the people, for the people, and by the people. In time, will we see her a zeitgeist for the want of the people? I don't know.

For the record, I'm not a supporter of Palin, but someone that is puzzled by the meteoric rise and its associated reasons. As we know, meteors don't last long. We'll see if that plays out.

[Powow]

Also funny how the dems were SALIVATING at having McCain on their ticket just four short years ago.
I would have voted for McCain 4 years ago. I also would have voted for him in 2000.

Now? Hell no. He sold out on every good reason to elect him. The fact that this is what it took (become a spend-and-don't-tax evangelical candidate of fear) for him to get nominated by the republican party is quite sad.

[Adolf Allerbush]

All I see and hear out of him is uncontrolled panic and high speed wobbles.

I haven't heard much out of him (Obama) honestly. He's been taking a back seat to the Palin pandamonium...and I think that he's playing the negative campaigning by McCain well by taking the high road with all the negative ads that McCain is throwing out there. His only response has been that the ads are lies and shouldn't be taken seriously. I really want the campaigns to start talking about the issues and where they stand on big ticket items like national security, a national energy policy to get the US off of it's dependence on foreign oil, the environment, revision of tax policy and addressing the deficit. All this shit that both sides are dwelling on is just that, shit...unfortunately that's the stuff that wins/loses elections.

[Zombie Reagan]

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/8/K/reagan-ears.gif

HOW DARE YOU USE MY LIKENESS?!?!?

CLIFFY, YOU SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT ME. WHAT'S UP, BRO? I'M GONNA EAT YOUR FUCKING BRAIN.

[Trackhead]

future US elections will be celebrity contests.
Goodbye policies/ideas/foresight.



Comments? Suggestions? It's never too early to plan for the future!

Barack is/was exactly what you describe, a media darling, celebrity superstar.

[ak_powder_monkey]

Welcome back to High School

[Jer]

Yes.
Take my hand and walk me over to some of their major mistakes from this campaign. Be specific, please.

0) Extended bitter Dem battle for nomonation.
1) Dems/Media pick Obama over Hilary.
2) Obama bases his whole campaign on one word.
3) Media hype that Obama could never sustain.
4) Obama hanging out with questionable people.
5) Obama failing to appeal to (and actually (un)intentionally insulting) Dumbfuck Retard Middle America.
6) Obama picking Biden as VP instead of Hildog.
7) Dems going apeshit (much to Obama horror, I'm sure) over Palin.
8) Obamas freaky views on a lot of shit.

I could think of some more, but I really gotta take a shower.

[Rubicon]

His only response has been that the ads are lies and shouldn't be taken seriously.


He did have this to say on Good Morning America this morning.

"If we're going to ask questions about, you know, who has been promulgating negative ads that are completely unrelated to the issues at hand, I think I win that contest pretty handily,"

ba dum boom!

It's the Obama Gaffe O'Rama.


I think Obama's only hope is to stop talking all together. But the next best thing will be for him to talk about the issues. I will be glad when both of them decide to do that. I guess that is what the debates are for.

[Cliff Huckable]

Barack is/was exactly what you describe, a media darling, celebrity superstar.

Agreed. Obama is. but so were Reagan and Kennedy. The difference with Palin is that what she brings to the country.
Obama, Kennedy, and Reagan = freshness/new perspective/hope/morning in America
Palin something to the ticket, but nothing to the country.


0) Extended bitter Dem battle for nomonation.
1) Dems/Media pick Obama over Hilary.
2) Obama bases his whole campaign on one word.
3) Media hype that Obama could never sustain.
4) Obama hanging out with questionable people.
5) Obama failing to appeal to (and actually (un)intentionally insulting) Dumbfuck Retard Middle America.
6) Obama picking Biden as VP instead of Hildog.
7) Dems going apeshit (much to Obama horror, I'm sure) over Palin.
8) Obamas freaky views on a lot of shit.

I could think of some more, but I really gotta take a shower.

1) The right choice.
2) Reagan based his whole campaign on one phrase. And you voted for him.
3) How is that a mistake. It's the press which created it. Don't see how it could be damaging. If Palin hadn't taken the wind from his sails the press would have kept going with their adoration.
4) Please. McCain hangs out with Bush and Rove. And himself.
5) That's a tough one, and I can't answer it. I don't know why "Middle America" isn't insulted by the GOP. Their pandering should be insulting, but....
6) The right choice.
7) Not sure what you mean, but surely whatever it is you mean wasn't a Dem strategy, so how is that a Dem mistake?
8) I don't know of any "freaky views". What do you mean?
9) Generic shower joke with homoerotic overtones.

[Rasputin]

If Obama wins, Hillary's political career is done.


This statement makes no sense. HRC still is a highly influential Senator, and will continue to have a major role in US politics.

In 2016 she'll only be 69, which is three years younger than McCain. Her popularity with women is unlikely to fade, and if Obama does a good job, the nation will be friendly to another Dem in the White House. McCain's career certainly wasn't over when he got beat out by Bush in 2000, and I tend to believe Hillary will be a much more viable candidate in 8 years than McCain is now.

[pheenster]

Palin was chosen to help the campaign, not the country. The success McCain has had with his (Rove's) pick can only mean one thing:

future US elections will be celebrity contests.
Goodbye policies/ideas/foresight.

Palin brings nothing to the table, and neither would celebrities - but they'd bring much higher recognition/approval.

For your consideration:

Palin/Toby Keith 2012

Will Smith/Jack Nicholson 2016

Brett Favre/Tiger Woods 2020

Vanessa Hudgens/Zac Efron 2024

Vanessa Hudgens/Dakota Fanning 2028

Dakota Fanning/little boy from Pampers ad 2032


...and I imagine the whole old-fashioned "election campaign" will be replaced with a reality show.

Comments? Suggestions? It's never too early to plan for the future!

The Favre/Woods ticket would totally kick ass.

Edit to add: I would not be at all surprised to see Tiger Woods enter politics one day. Brett Favre, not so much.

[GoldMember]

This statement makes no sense. HRC still is a highly influential Senator, and will continue to have a major role in US politics.

In 2016 she'll only be 69, which is three years younger than McCain. Her popularity with women is unlikely to fade, and if Obama does a good job, the nation will be friendly to another Dem in the White House. McCain's career certainly wasn't over when he got beat out by Bush in 2000, and I tend to believe Hillary will be a much more viable candidate in 8 years than McCain is now.


ewe....you used Hillary and 69 in the same sentence....

Is there a puke emoticon around here somewhere?

[DharmaBum]

In 2016 ...and I tend to believe Hillary will be a much more viable candidate in 8 years than McCain is now.

I think it more likely that in 2012, Biden will bow out and Hillary would be VP for term #2, rather than try to oust a sitting Dem pres.

Just a speculation of course.

[bio-smear]

Camacho for president.

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[Rasputin]

ewe....you used Hillary and 69 in the same sentence....

Is there a puke emoticon around here somewhere?

Oops, my bad. :fm:

[Rasputin]

I think it more likely that in 2012, Biden will bow out and Hillary would be VP for term #2, rather than try to oust a sitting Dem pres.

Just a speculation of course.

I didn't say anything about 2012. See what you quoted?