Gibson is a Liar

[Crud's Uncle]

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.







Her actual words:



"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

[TruckeeLocal]

there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan.
Well if Palin can speak for God's wishes on earth then it should be trivial for her to represent us, the great unwashed of US humanity (and I use that word somewhat advisedly).

[Crud's Uncle]

Reading comprehension? She is asking for prayer that the Government's plan is the same as God's.

[Buster Highmen]

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.







Her actual words:



"... our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God..."

Read much? Or just post about it?

[gorms]

She is asking for prayer that the Government's plan is the same as God's.

First she is asking for a prayer that there is at the very least a plan in place.
Doesn't show a lot of confidence.
Country First

[MarsB]

You are really grasping now.

[Buster Highmen]

It used to be that the American people were very leery of even Catholics.

Which way will Palins obvious religious wind blow the political weathervane now?

[Crud's Uncle]

More than you, obviously:


"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders,

She is asking for her audience to pray that the government is doing the will of God.



Read much? Or just post about it?

[Tuckerman]

Big turn off for me oh well. Go Ron Paul.

9H-btXPfhGs

Palin, "our leaders - our national leaders - are sending them out on a task that is from God." Little on the crazy side for me.

[Buster Highmen]

More than you, obviously:


"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders,

She is asking for her audience to pray that the government is doing the will of God.
But Gibson did quote her correctly and none of your prancing around is being taken seriously. Any way you slice it, you're just another crappy troll.

[Cono Este]

Thats not fair to God.

[Crud's Uncle]

The good ole days You bigot.
It used to be that the American people were very leery of even Catholics.
?

[Buster Highmen]

The good ole days You bigot.
Yup, that's me. Big ole boy bigot. Yessireee, you ain't a foolin' nobody. Especially when pointing out history.

[Mathematics]

Palin, "our leaders - our national leaders - are sending them out on a task that is from God." Little on the crazy side for me.

Yup. I think the key to Obama winning will be trying to fracture McCains base of fiscal conservatives & the crazy religious conservatives. combined they're enough to put him in office, but hopefully once the fiscal conservatives realize what a loon Palin is they'll be a little more cautious voting for her for president. (and I mean president, because mccain's going to have a stroke soon)

[spindrift]

Any way you slice it, you're just another crappy troll.

If only that were true. We are seeing a genuine example of the kind of "core" Palin was chosen to deliver. Don't keep wishing or believing that it is a troll. It is not.

Now ask about why the Pope is not the leader of the Catholic Church.

[Crud's Uncle]

There is no doubt that many on the left are uncomfortable with praying.

However, there are a lot of independents and democrats in the midwest and south that are bible bangers. Her comments wil be seen by them as positive not negative.

I doubt that fiscal conservatives will vote for Obama. It would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

[Buster Highmen]

If only that were true. We are seeing a genuine example of the kind of "core" Palin was chosen to deliver. Don't keep wishing or believing that it is a troll. It is not.

Now ask about why the Pope is not the leader of the Catholic Church.

Prove to me this isn't some clown trying to discredit the Republican posistion.

[Crud's Uncle]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime. You are finally right about something.
We are seeing a genuine example of the kind of "core" Palin was chosen to deliver.

[doughboyshredder]

I am a fiscal conservative and small business owner. I will be voting for Obama.

McCain would mean lower taxes for me, but I believe that his policies will continue to devalue our money, and that I would in fact have less purchasing power under a McCain administration than an Obama administration.

[Buster Highmen]

I am a fiscal conservative and small business owner. I will be voting for Obama.

McCain would mean lower taxes for me,

Are you sure about that? Check the tax plan comparison. Even for me, I would pay less taxes under Obama than McCain.


but I believe that his policies will continue to devalue our money, and that I would in fact have less purchasing power under a McCain administration than an Obama administration.
D'accord.

[Buster Highmen]

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometime. You are finally right about something.

I don't really care, but you suck in any case.

[Tuckerman]

I am a fiscal conservative and small business owner. I will be voting for Obama.

McCain would mean lower taxes for me, but I believe that his policies will continue to devalue our money, and that I would in fact have less purchasing power under a McCain administration than an Obama administration.

Good luck with that.

[tarkman1]

I read her comments to be akin to a holy war.

I would love to ask her where she first read that quote from Lincoln and where Lincoln said it. I can't take Palin at face value when facts are concerned because she has a demonstrated propensity to switch positions when politically beneficial. As for the Lincoln quote, I really think she's covering her tracks and had a staffer provide her with a quote to change the appearance of her statement. I really don't think she knows the source of the Lincoln quote.

[ColMan]

Crud, seriously, put down the Kool Aid man! People on both extremes come off looking pretty bad, but you have taken asshatery to a whole new level.

[Crud's Uncle]

All I can say is wow. The truth no longer matters, damn the country, Obama full speed ahead.
But Gibson did quote her correctly and none of your prancing around is being taken seriously. Any way you slice it, you're just another crappy troll.

[Crud's Uncle]

Actually, I am enjoying a Pilsner Urquell. My wife won't let Kool Aid in our house, only 100% juice.
Crud, seriously, put down the Kool Aid man! People on both extremes come off looking pretty bad, but you have taken asshatery to a whole new level.

[timvwcom]

Actually, I am enjoying a Pilsner Urquell. My wife won't let Kool Aid in our house, only 100% juice.

Todd????

[Crud's Uncle]

Did I mention I was tuning up my sled.:D

[Core Shot]

Did I mention I was tuning up my sled.:D

Ahhhhhh. Now all the nonsense you spew makes sense.

[timvwcom]

OP:


GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.

Her actual words:

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Just so everyone who doesn't read so good see's it, here are both the claim of her words by Gibson, then followed by Palin's quote (taken from Crud's post - I assume it's correct?)

"Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." - Gibson's claim
"our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God." - Palin's words

Here's how Crud structured the OP and thread title;

GIBSON: "Exact words."
CRUD'S UNCLE:"Gibson is a Liar"
CRUD'S UNCLE:"Her actual words:"

So, unless you consider the difference between "U.S. soldiers" and "them out" (which was clearly referencing the U.S. soldiers) the lie, this is funny bad on you. Now, should you have said something like "Gibson took it out of context"... You'd have an argument at least. :rolleyes2

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[Crud's Uncle]

A lie is a statement meant to deceive. That was his purpose and he is a liar.

[Buster Highmen]

Tim, I've already pointed this out. Crud is just trying to distract real people from the facts like the sorry troll he is.


OP:



Just so everyone who doesn't read so good see's it, here are both the claim of her words by Gibson, then followed by Palin's quote (taken from Crud's post - I assume it's correct?)

"Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." - Gibson's claim
"our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God." - Palin's words

Here's how Crud structured the OP and thread title;

GIBSON: "Exact words."
CRUD'S UNCLE:"Gibson is a Liar"
CRUD'S UNCLE:"Her actual words:"

So, unless you consider the difference between "U.S. soldiers" and "them out" (which was clearly referencing the U.S. soldiers) the lie, this is funny bad on you. Now, should you have said something like "Gibson took it out of context"... You'd have an argument at least. :rolleyes2

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[timvwcom]

Tim, I've already pointed this out. Crud is just trying to distract real people from the facts like the sorry troll he is.

I did see your post, but it didn't have any purdy colors!!! (or the two quotes directly next to each other with highlighted differences) :smile:

And... this thread is dead, stop posting!

[PNWbrit]

There is no doubt that many on the left are uncomfortable with praying.

Makes our knees hurt.

Our heads also.

[Buster Highmen]

Makes our knees hurt.

Our heads also.
What the religious right seems to be the most deeply confused about is that to them there's a very subtle difference between kneeling down and bending over.

[Thrill Hammer]

There is no doubt that many on the left are uncomfortable with praying.



FAIL

Try again fuckstick

[qwert]

What the religious right seems to be the most deeply confused about is that to them there's a very subtle difference between kneeling down and bending over.

Total rip-off from Zappa (RIP).

[Dantheman]

Buster quoting Zappa? There's a shocker.

[PeterPan11]

dear diary tag is awesomeness

[Powow]

I didn't think the political asshattery forum was a good idea.

Crud's Uncle has changed my mind.

[Crud's Uncle]

Even a liberal sgrees:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3084691&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/

[Smokey McPole]

I'd like to see a Chuck Gibson Palin interview side-by-side with a Chuck Gibson Obama interview. If I remember correctly, when he interviewed Obama he pretty much gave the guy a rimjob. Thank god there's no media bias..

[Tye 1on]

I'd like to see a Chuck Gibson Palin interview side-by-side with a Chuck Gibson Obama interview.

I think that's a great idea, for all of 'em. Or a Gibson/Biden along with the Gibson/Palin...

[David Witherspoon]

I didn't think the political asshattery forum was a good idea.

Crud's Uncle has changed my mind.
That's the purpose of mudslinging. Watch it play out nationally.

[Rubicon]

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."


She is praying that the leaders actions are reflecting god's will, i.e. praying for wisdom for the leaders. But that's OK, you knuckleheads keep it up. It's this kind of misrepresentation that is going to put McCain/Palin in the White House.

The majority of this country is not liberal, and the majority of religious people who heard Palin's words are going to understand exactly what she was saying. Then they heard Gibson misrepresent her words. Gibson can yuk it up with his boys at the water cooler now, but he is not helping ingratiate the press to the American electorate, and that is a very bad thing for Obama since the press fawn over him the way they do.

[pheenster]

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.







Her actual words:



"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan."

Well, Cruddykins, perhaps after you've finished splitting hairs you can explain to us what the difference is?

[Crud's Uncle]

Gibson question implies that she believes the Iraq war is God's will.

She actually asked the audience to pray that our leaders do what God wills.
Well, Cruddykins, perhaps after you've finished splitting hairs you can explain to us what the difference is?

[Mathematics]

Gibson question implies that she believes the Iraq war is God's will.

She actually asked the audience to pray that our leaders do what God wills.

she actually implied the war was a "task from god"

[Rubicon]

she actually implied the war was a "task from god"

Keep paving that road to the White House for her!

[Rasputin]

Keep paving that road to the White House for her!

Fail. All the boost that McCain was going to get from her has already happened. Now that she's showing that she doesn't have the capability for that high of an office, intelligent moderates which had a bloom of excitement when she signed on are seeing that she's a paper tiger. McCain's getting pwn3d trying to run the same smoke screen to cover for her, it's sadly inadequate.

The numbers are swinging back toward Obama (yesterday's news week poll already had them at a dead heat). My guess is he'll win by three points or so. Your week of gloating is ending.

[cloudpeak]

The numbers are swinging back toward Obama (yesterday's news week poll already had them at a dead heat). My guess is he'll win by three points or so. Your week of gloating is ending.

She's proving herself to be so appallingly unqualified to be VP or POTUS that it's unbelievable the polls haven't already shifted in Obama's favor.

Let's hope your guess of three points happens in the correct states and gives Obama the win in the Electoral College.

[The AD]

She is praying that the leaders actions are reflecting god's will, i.e. praying for wisdom for the leaders. But that's OK, you knuckleheads keep it up. It's this kind of misrepresentation that is going to put McCain/Palin in the White House.

Any way you cut it Palin's quote is weird. I honestly hope the majority of people in this country would see it that way. How is praying going to affect what our leaders do?

[Rubicon]

The numbers are swinging back toward Obama (yesterday's news week poll already had them at a dead heat).


IMO, polls this far out are worse than meaningless, offering only the illusion of insight.

My comments are based on my perception/understanding of the American people, not on any reaction to Palin that might be observed right now. That perception/understanding will be put to the test in Nov. If Obama wins you have full gloating rights and I will freely admit that my understanding of the American people was flawed.

[Tippster]

Any way you cut it Palin's quote is weird. I honestly hope the majority of people in this country would see it that way. How is praying going to affect what our leaders do?

'Cause we are all God's pawns, dood. Be satisfied or be overrun.

[rideit]

My comments are based on my perception/understanding of the American people, not on any reaction to Palin that might be observed right now. .
Aren't you, like, 29?
:FIREdevil:FIREdevil

[Rubicon]

How is praying going to affect what our leaders do?


It won't. But millions of Americans believe that prayer does have an effect, or at least that it is good for a public affirmation of ones beliefs. The people who are used to hearing prayers said in public(church goers) will instantly recognize Palin's prayer as a prayer for wisdom for our leaders.

So, regardless of the tangible effect that uttering words have on reality, Gibson's treatment of those words will, IMO, galvanize a lot of religious people against him and his profession. I think spite is going to drive a lot of people to the polls this Nov. They identify with Palin's beliefs and perceive the people who support Obama(the media) as attacking those beliefs.

Then again I could be completely talking out my ass and Obama could win by a landslide in Nov. Time will tell.

[Rasputin]

IMO, polls this far out are worse than meaningless, offering only the illusion of insight.

My comments are based on my perception/understanding of the American people, not on any reaction to Palin that might be observed right now. That perception/understanding will be put to the test in Nov. If Obama wins you have full gloating rights and I will freely admit that my understanding of the American people was flawed.

I think you undestand a segment of the American people very well, but for the most part they were voting McCain from the outset, the post convention bump, along with the excitement over the new mysterious figure energized the Republican base, but there are a lot more Dems registered this time around, and there is optimism at the thought that Bush is leaving that I think you underestimate.

True the polls can be deceptive, and they certainly aren't as accurate as they like to pretend, but they give a view of cloudy movements in electorate opinion, and they wouldn't be done if they had no meaning.

[Rubicon]

Aren't you, like, 29?
:FIREdevil:FIREdevil

Bah! I'll be 37 in Dec but I still get carded for beer(annoys the hell out of me), so, there you go. What are you, like, 56?

:FIREdevil :FIREdevil

[timvwcom]

'Cause we are all God's pawns, dood. Be satisfied or be overrun.

http://meandhobbes.com/chess/chess.png

[Rubicon]

but for the most part they were voting McCain from the outset,

If they were already voting, and I think that is the key for this time around. If you were to only consider the X% of people who vote like clockwork every election cycle then I would say this race is a crapshoot. But I think Palin is going to pull people out of the woodwork who normally would sit it out.


but there are a lot more Dems registered this time around, and there is optimism at the thought that Bush is leaving that I think you underestimate.

Agreed, I might.

This might be the counter balance to the "Palin effect". The thought of getting rid of Bush, and anything that resembles him, could very well pull enough people into the ballot box in Nov, who wouldn't normally vote, that it pushes Obama over the top.

Regardless of the outcome this is a very entertaining election cycle.



and they wouldn't be done if they had no meaning.

...unless someone had to pay the bills between the last two weeks in Oct every four years. :wink:

[Crud's Uncle]

No she did not, unless you don't know the language and wanted to infer what you wanted to infer.
she actually implied the war was a "task from god"

[Smokey McPole]

The numbers are swinging back toward Obama (yesterday's news week poll already had them at a dead heat). My guess is he'll win by three points or so.

If you're so sure Barry's gonna win, why don't you bet on it (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131547)?

[Crud's Uncle]

I assume this was meant as a serious question. In many ways it shows why liberals do not understand why Bush got elected and why Palin resonates with a large number of the population.

I would say a majority of the people that do not live on the coasts, believe that God responds to prayer. They also believe that if God wills that leaders take a certain action, he can give them the necessary grace to move them to do so.

Setting aside the theology, I find it interesting their is such a disconnect between the masses and the intellectuals(pseudo or otherwise).

Maybe a bad omen for the Godless, Ohio a swing state has a Methodist minister as its Governor. Thus, one could argue that the Ohio voter will be attracted to Sarah's answer not repulsed.
How is praying going to affect what our leaders do?

[Crud's Uncle]

You think others think like you do. But look in a mirror and with all due respect you are not the average American.

It will be interesting come November. The Democrats will try and prevent McCain supporters from voting, and will try and get non-qualified people to vote for Obama. However, my guess is that Palin will motivate farmers to come out of their fields to vote, that traditional democratic union voters will vote for their fellow union member, that many in the south will not vote for an anti-white black guy and so on.

I think the liberals will be scratching their collective heads and bemoaning that the American electorate is unenlightened come November.


I think you undestand a segment of the American people very well, but for the most part they were voting McCain from the outset, the post convention bump, along with the excitement over the new mysterious figure energized the Republican base, but there are a lot more Dems registered this time around, and there is optimism at the thought that Bush is leaving that I think you underestimate.

True the polls can be deceptive, and they certainly aren't as accurate as they like to pretend, but they give a view of cloudy movements in electorate opinion, and they wouldn't be done if they had no meaning.

[H-wood]

You think others think like you do. But look in a mirror and with all due respect you are not the average American.

It will be interesting come November. The Democrats will try and prevent McCain supporters from voting, and will try and get non-qualified people to vote for Obama. However, my guess is that Palin will motivate farmers to come out of their fields to vote, that traditional democratic union voters will vote for their fellow union member, that many in the south will not vote for an anti-white black guy and so on.

I think the liberals will be scratching their collective heads and bemoaning that the American electorate is unenlightened come November.

Everything you say, all of your various incarnations, is not just horseshit, but is almost always the exact opposite of the truth.

- Democrats will try to prevent people from voting? Do you think that voter suppression efforts are more likely to come from the entrenched group that's the party of the rich and powerful, the one that's controlled all three branches of government lately, the one that just stuffed the Justice Dept full of cronies, -or- do you think voter suppression efforts come from the party of the working class and disenfranchised?

Couple of things to ponder: Brooks Brothers Riot. Hanging Chads. New Hampshire Phone Jamming Operation. Hans Von Spakovsky. Katherine Harris. US Attorney Scandal. The fliers that appear every election week in minority neighborhoods reminding people that election day is on a different day, or they need a drivers license to vote, etc...

- Non-qualified voters? Do you mean scary black people? In a country founded on equal rights for all men, are there "unqualified voters" besides children and the insane? Oh, you mean uneducated people right? Ignorant people? Like the ones who believe the earth is 4000 years old and talk to a magic sky ghost?

- "Farmers [will] come out of their fields to vote..." Since most of America's farms are owned by corporate agribusiness (employing illegal aliens wherever possible), there aren't too many farmers left these days. And the ones that are left probably won't be voting for the guy that voted against the farm bill, or the party that runs against the entitlements that keep them alive.

- Liberals aren't scratching their heads about why the electorate is unenlightened- they know perfectly well that the electorate is the product of an education system that's been run by people that hate the idea of public education, science, or critical thinking; the product of a concerted effort to bombard them with empty propaganda of the type you happily babble; the product of church leaders that net millions while telling them fairy tales. It's no fucking mystery.

Pull your head out and stop pretending that you know things.

[timvwcom]

You go H-wood!!!


...

- Liberals aren't scratching their heads about why the electorate is unenlightened- they know perfectly well that the electorate is the product of an education system that's been run by people that hate the idea of public education, science, or critical thinking; the product of a concerted effort to bombard them with empty propaganda of the type you happily babble; the product of church leaders that net millions while telling them fairy tales. It's no fucking mystery...

After just watching a show on NatGeo stepping thru the proof of Darwin's theories of Evolution, I've come to a conclusion;

The fact that the process of "survival of the fittest" no longer applies to most of human kind, means that big swaths of voters will prove ignorant by voting for a political party that dangles shiny metal things like gays, god and guns as rationale for voting for a philosophy that couldn't care less about those voters well being. [/thunting]

[Smokey McPole]

She's proving herself to be so appallingly unqualified to be VP or POTUS that it's unbelievable the polls haven't already shifted in Obama's favor.


That's probably because Obama is equally (if not more) unqualified.

Seriously - you Dems as completely fuct.

[Crud's Uncle]

Instead ofany thought, you just regurgitate cliches from the Daily Kos or other insane blogs.

It was Democrats that slashed tires on buses destined to take republican voters to the polls. Democrats are as rich or richer than Republicans. Oprah isn't poorand neither is George Soros or Nancy Pelosi, etc.

if someone doesn't know what day the election is held, they should not vote. Anyways, the pamphlets thing never happened. Just like Sarah's baby was not Bristols.

No, I mean dead people, felons, illegal aliens, etc. You must be a racist if you think black people are scary.

There are plenty of small family farms. Drive outside of the city some time. You might enjoy the fresh air. I would think that as a liberal you would be in touch with the sustainable agriculture movement.

Your statement about education is the best. Our educational system is bad, because of the NEA which is a liberal democrat institution.

It probably isn't your fault. I doubt if you were ever taught to actually think.


Everything you say, all of your various incarnations, is not just horseshit, but is almost always the exact opposite of the truth.

- Democrats will try to prevent people from voting? Do you think that voter suppression efforts are more likely to come from the entrenched group that's the party of the rich and powerful, the one that's controlled all three branches of government lately, the one that just stuffed the Justice Dept full of cronies, -or- do you think voter suppression efforts come from the party of the working class and disenfranchised?

Couple of things to ponder: Brooks Brothers Riot. Hanging Chads. New Hampshire Phone Jamming Operation. Hans Von Spakovsky. Katherine Harris. US Attorney Scandal. The fliers that appear every election week in minority neighborhoods reminding people that election day is on a different day, or they need a drivers license to vote, etc...

- Non-qualified voters? Do you mean scary black people? In a country founded on equal rights for all men, are there "unqualified voters" besides children and the insane? Oh, you mean uneducated people right? Ignorant people? Like the ones who believe the earth is 4000 years old and talk to a magic sky ghost?

- "Farmers [will] come out of their fields to vote..." Since most of America's farms are owned by corporate agribusiness (employing illegal aliens wherever possible), there aren't too many farmers left these days. And the ones that are left probably won't be voting for the guy that voted against the farm bill, or the party that runs against the entitlements that keep them alive.

- Liberals aren't scratching their heads about why the electorate is unenlightened- they know perfectly well that the electorate is the product of an education system that's been run by people that hate the idea of public education, science, or critical thinking; the product of a concerted effort to bombard them with empty propaganda of the type you happily babble; the product of church leaders that net millions while telling them fairy tales. It's no fucking mystery.

Pull your head out and stop pretending that you know things.