Sarah Palin speaks, is she ready for prime time??? [Archive]

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 06:11 PM

Palin is just beginning the process of speaking to the press for the first time, 2 weeks after having been announced as McCain's VP selection. Since she's basically an unknown player on the national political stage, I will be very very curious to hear her views, and perhaps stumbles, over the next days and weeks. In an effort to not start a new thread each time a nugget comes up, I'm starting this thread so I can grumble and spout off without thrunting the PolAss with a half dozen more threads on her.

Her first interviews with ABC...

Read she is using an unusual 3 part interview process. A little at a time... not sure I see a clear reason for that? Here's some previews for this evenings ABC coverage...

Palin asked about the Bush Doctrine... She doesn't know what it is :rolleyes2

GIBSON: "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"

PALIN: "In what respect, Charlie?"

GIBSON: "The Bush ... Well, what do you interpret it to be?"

PALIN: "His world view."

GIBSON: "No. The Bush doctrine. Annunciated in September 2002, before the Iraq war."

PALIN: "I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made, and with new leadership -- and that's the beauty of American elections of course, and democracy -- is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better."

GIBSON: "The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is we have the right of anticipatory self defense. We have the right to a preemptive strike against any country we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?"

PALIN: "Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country."

GIBSON: "Do we have the right to be making cross-border attacks into Pakistan from Afghanistan, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?"

PALIN: "As for our right to invade, we're gonna work with these countries, building new relationships, working with existing allies but forging new also, in order to, Charlie, get to a point in this world where war is not going to be a first option. In fact, war has got to be a last option."

GIBSON: "But governor, I'm asking you, do we have the right to go across the border, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government?"

PALIN: "In order to stop Islamic extremists, those terrorists who would seek to destroy America and our allies, we must do whatever it takes and we must not blink, Charlie, in making those tough decisions in where we go and even who we target."

GIBSON: "And let me finish with this. I just, I got lost in a blizzard of words there. Was that a yes? You think we have the right to go across the border, with or without the approval of the Pakistani government, to go after terrorists... ?"

PALIN: "I believe that America has to exercise all options in order to stop the terrorists who are hell bent on destroying America and our allies. We have got to have all options out there on the table."

On the future conflict between a hypothetical NATO admitted Georgia and Russia... War with Russia would "perhaps" be necessary.

GIBSON: Would you favor putting Georgia and Ukraine in NATO?

PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia.

GIBSON: Because Putin has said he would not tolerate NATO incursion into the Caucasus.

PALIN: Well, you know, the Rose Revolution, the Orange Revolution, those actions have showed us that those democratic nations, I believe, deserve to be in NATO.

Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously, he thinks otherwise, but...

GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?

PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to -- especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.

On her "security credentials"... It's about "energy independence".

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

GIBSON: I know. I'm just saying that national security is a whole lot more than energy.

Will be very curious to see how she does over the coming days and weeks...

Smokey McPole

09-11-2008, 06:29 PM

Too bad everybody's too busy looking at her boobs to bother with what she's saying.

Palin/Jindal in 2012!!!

schindlerpiste

09-11-2008, 06:41 PM

This could be the beginning of a very rude awakening.

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 06:43 PM

This could be the beginning of a very rude awakening.

For us Obama lubers, or the Palin ones? Or even for Palin and McCain themselves???

spindrift

09-11-2008, 06:53 PM

I initially thought she was incompetent. After watching the first part of the ABC interview, it is clear I grossly underestimated things. What a national embarrassment. How the hell did Gibson remain polite talking to such an obviously ignorant poser who can do nothing but parrot scripted BS talking points? A Republican who does not even know what the Bush Doctrine is on a presidential ticket? Someone who does not even know what happened in Georgia? Did I mention she's a national embarrassment? And a clear threat to our national safety?

Maybe if they put her on with Rush or Savage or Hannity they can suck up enough to keep her from from looking like a retard?

hutash

09-11-2008, 06:55 PM

I haven't seen it yet, still at work, but those are some pretty lame answers. The only one she answered directly is Georgia should be in NATO, which means we should be at war right now with Russia.

At least we know that since she is an energy commissioner she know all about world security:rolleyes: WTF was that all about?

Bullet

09-11-2008, 07:08 PM

McCain had my vote in the 2000 primaries - when he was a maverick. He had my support when he spoke out against torture. But he's softened over the years. Now to pick this empty vessel they have filled with hollow patriotic god fearing platitudes - he's hit rock bottom.

Palin is an admitted plagiarist.

GIBSON: You said recently in your old church, our national leaders are sending US soldiers on a task that is from god.

[cut to Palin in church]
SARAH PALIN: Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right also for this country that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from god.

GIBSON: Are we fighting a holy war?

PALIN: The reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincolns words when he said.

But she did not credit her source when she first said it. This VP Candidate is a hollow shell.

More drivel:
GIBSON: But you went on and said, there is a plan and it is gods plan.

PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that that plan for this world is for good. I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights, which I believe are god-given Charlie. I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That, in my worldview, is the grand plan.

Good lord!

MrZach

09-11-2008, 07:11 PM

Smokey McPole

09-11-2008, 07:14 PM

Zach - are those skis realy short or is that girl really tall?

schindlerpiste

09-11-2008, 07:14 PM

For us Obama lubers, or the Palin ones? Or even for Palin and McCain themselves???

My eightball does not see this as encouraging for the GOP

The thought of her potentially being President is getting scarier and scarier by the minute. (Take that N.D.)

Bullet

09-11-2008, 07:15 PM

She's so transparent even satire can't match her. It's scary funny how this mock transcript from 9/10 ins't so far from the truth:

From http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/10/151343/382

Gibson: Thank you for taking the time to speak with me today, Governor Palin.

Palin: For now, I'll disregard the blatant sexism in your tone.

Gibson: I'd like to begin with the infamous "Bridge to Nowhere". You've repeated the same lines about your supposed opposition to it in every single stump speech you've given, but there is clear evidence that you originally supported the earmarks for the bridge. Would you like to now go beyond your recent scripted lines and clarify your position?

Palin: I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

Gibson: But what about the video footage of you declaring your strong support for it and the fact that you had the state keep the earmark money anyway?

Palin: I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

Gibson: Thanks for adding that...um...nuance to your position. Moving on. You've insisted in your campaign speeches that you sold the governor's jet on eBay, when in fact it never sold on eBay and was instead sold at a significant loss through an Anchorage aircraft broker.

Palin: That luxury jet was over the top. I sold it on eBay.

Gibson: Governor, should I assume that all your responses are just going to be verbatim rehashes of your stump speeches?

Palin: Not at all. I can rehash John McCain's talking points just fine too.

Gibson: OK, let me try and get this interview back on track.

Palin: Leave my son out of this! How DARE you!

Gibson: Dear God almighty...

Palin: Did you just take the Lord's name in vain? How DARE you!

Gibson: Back to the issues. Do you believe some books should be banned from public libraries because your church doesn't like their content?

Palin: Charlie, if you could rephrase that in such a way that I could answer it with a line from one of my awesome stump speeches, I'd greatly appreciate it.

Gibson: I'm afraid I can't do that. Can just please answer the question?

Palin: FINE, if you insist. Well, I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

Gibson: [sighs] Moving on to current economic worries. How would you have dealt with the current mortgage crisis, if you had been in power?

Palin: I would have ended all taxpayer funding for Faddie Mace. And I would have abolished the C-SPAN tax years ago, too.

Gibson: [tears streaming down face] Since you raised taxes and increased budgets as both mayor and governor, would you still class yourself as a "fiscal conservative"?

Palin: I really don't think that question was deferential enough. Who do you think you are anyway, questioning me in this manner? Don't you know who I am?

Gibson: Yes, I'm well aware of who you are, governor. One final question. Why put out a press release about your teenage daughter's pregnancy and then spend the next few days attacking the press for covering that press release?

Palin: Noun, Verb, Maverick.

Gibson: Thank you very much governor for taking the time today.

Palin: I stood up to the good-ol' boys.

spindrift

09-11-2008, 07:20 PM

Wow, a lot of the comments on ABC's site regarding that story are from folks thinking Charlie was too hard on her - asking the same questions more than once. What can you expect when she doesn't answer the original questions in the first place!?

How about when someone deliberately dodges the question because that is all they can do? It is one thing to try to get your talking points in - especially if the question does not take the conversation in the direction you'd like it to go. That's pretty typical media/interview management. It is another to be so empty that all you can do is obviously and ignorantly parrot talking points because you have no ability to address the question.

Given the circumstances, I think it would have been appropriate for Gibson to just bust out a big WTF? No wonder they've been keeping her in a pen away from the media.

Mathematics

09-11-2008, 07:25 PM

Come on guys, you're being too hard on her. She's just like us! Just another average American, just like you & me. We should connect with that & go easy on her.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/uploads/sarah_us_magazine_186.jpg

Bullet

09-11-2008, 07:28 PM

On her "security credentials"... It's about "energy independence".

GIBSON: But this is not just reforming a government. This is also running a government on the huge international stage in a very dangerous world. When I asked John McCain about your national security credentials, he cited the fact that you have commanded the Alaskan National Guard and that Alaska is close to Russia. Are those sufficient credentials?

PALIN: But it is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

GIBSON: I know. I'm just saying that national security is a whole lot more than energy.

Wow, she got testy.

The follow-up.
PALIN: . . . I want you to not lose sight of the fact that energy is a foundation of national security . . .

GIBSON: Did you every travel outside of the country prior to your trip to Kuwait and Germany last year?

PALIN: Canada. Mexico and then, [sardonically] yeah, that trip, it was a trip of a lifetime to visit our troops in Kuwait and stop and visit our injured soldiers in Germany . . .

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?
PALIN: [she got really mad at that question] - I have not. And, I think if you go back in history and I think if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they have the same answer that I just gave you . . .

Oh my, John. WTF were you thinking picking this running mate?

spindrift

09-11-2008, 07:29 PM

Oh my, John. WTF were you thinking picking this running mate?

You are making a leap here that is unsupported by the data...

Bullet

09-11-2008, 07:33 PM

Come on guys, you're being too hard on her. She's just like us! Just another average American, just like you & me. We should connect with that & go easy on her.

[comment - I know you are being sarcastic]

That's the heart of the problem. We had a good ol'boy from Texas and look where that's put us. I don't want an "Average" American in the whitehouse or 2nd in command.

We should seek an Above Average American that can have a rational thought, who doesn't fall back on the cop out of "god's will" or makes critical national security decisions by "going with their gut".

It's called being the leader of a Great Nation. Not leader of an Average nation.

Bullet

09-11-2008, 07:34 PM

You are making a leap here that is unsupported by the data...

lol - the leap is that he thought about making the choice?

spindrift

09-11-2008, 07:38 PM

Well, that was my interpretation...

Core Shot

09-11-2008, 08:05 PM

Wow. CNN and MSNBC are orgasming on the interview. What a bunch of policy wonks. Merikuh dont care bout that.

THE BUSH DOCTRINE OMG !111!!1!! SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE BUSH DOCTRINE IS

TruckeeLocal

09-11-2008, 08:15 PM

Well in case anyone cares ... :eek: :nonono2: :frown: :redface: :nonono2:

spindrift

09-11-2008, 08:20 PM

For a VP candidate talking about foreign policy? A Republican one? You've got to be kidding. Anyone in America who does not believe that a - I'll emphasize it again - Republican VP candidate should be held to the same standards of knowledge about a current Republican administration as a freshman student of political science or foreign affairs should also be added to the National Registry of Embarrassing Individuals.

TruckeeLocal

09-11-2008, 08:28 PM

Having adjusted to my terror in Palin becomming VP to an old war horse I have found occasion to reconsider. Her foreign policy approach isn't much different from Cheney's, i.e. I'm going to do what I'm going to do and f^ck the consequences. with an added "God's on our side".

schindlerpiste

09-11-2008, 08:32 PM

Having read the context of the first interviews, and having listened to excerpts on TV, if the election were tomorrow, I would not vote GOP

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 09:02 PM

Wow you guys don't like her answers, absolutely hysterical.

rideit

09-11-2008, 09:07 PM

Buuut...she didn't provide any answers...

spindrift

09-11-2008, 09:14 PM

Yes she did. A transcript (close enough anyway) is right here http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1993438&postcount=11

tarkman1

09-11-2008, 09:17 PM

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 09:25 PM

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 09:28 PM

Just watched the clips portions they are showing at ABCnews.com... Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=5783816 (short commercial first)

First comment, they have cut out lots of stuff... especially the time between questions, etc. I can't really get any of the "between the lines" type vibe from the way it's edited? I know this isn't the full report, but somewhat annoying!

Then... I thought it was bad from reading the transcript excerpts, but I thought was MUCH MUCH worse when you actually see her talking and saying those words. It's painful to watch really. I know I'm not use to her accent, and it is a bit distracting itself, but honestly... she comes off as an inexperienced current events school teacher. In fact, maybe be OK for middle school, but I don't think I'd want her teaching at the high school level... And I'm trying to be diplomatic here.

If THIS is the results of her prior experience plus 2 weeks of full time coaching by a "presidential level" team, plus a sympathetic hand picked interviewer and softball format... I'm thinking the same thing as Schindler's magic 8-ball; This could get painful for her and the GOP when it gets "real". Anyone think there's a chance they could just try and hide her away from the press for the last 55 days?

09-11-2008, 09:34 PM

when is the interview going to air and on which network?

i don't watch much TV, but i would like to see this.

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 09:34 PM

Politicians never answer questions. Did you listen to Obama's interviews?

Anyways, you would be surprised how many Americans believe in the right of the US to defend itself. I have no problem with a President that would attack any country that threatens America. But then again, I am not some cowardly liberal that avoids a fight at all costs, including becoming a slave.

Crud... Don't know how closely you really follow politics, but to not know what the "Bush Doctrine" is??? My 20 year old, without much interest in politics, probably knows it.

Also, on the SECOND answer she gave once Charlie rephrased it including HIS version of the definition of the Bush Doctrine... The problem is Charlie screwed it up completely, the Bush Doctrine is not claiming the right to be able to attack someone who you KNOW is close to launching an attack on you. It's launching an attack on someone who IS NOT YET showing any threat of attack, but who could conceivably SOMEDAY have the ability to threaten you.

Because of her complete ignorance on this then Charlie's mess-up in describing it, she never really got to answer the right question.

Rasputin

09-11-2008, 09:36 PM

Having read the context of the first interviews, and having listened to excerpts on TV, if the election were tomorrow, I would not vote GOP
Wow, that's an abrupt about face. Your honesty is commendable.

If they let her talk to the press again I'm sure your opinion will be reinforced. I guess she's scheduled for Meet The Press on Sunday, it's a pity Tim Russert isn't around to do the honors.

Bullet

09-11-2008, 09:38 PM

Be very afraid of McCain being elected and then having to step down.

I'll take Palin's question on Pakistan to be a 'yes' on violating the border of Pakistan without their consent to conduct a pre-emptive strike. I was a military pilot and also served on staff at the headquarters for where the Allies conducted Operation Southern Watch. I know quite a bit about the right of self-defense in relation to international borders. Governor Palin doesn't have a clue. As the Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, she should have a cursory knowledge of such matters.

A foreign policy credential is being close to the other side of the Bering Strait? Looking across the strait gives no idea about what is happening in Moscow, over 4,000 miles away from Juneau. Gibson let that slide.

Taking away the script and pressuring her on issues demonstrates that just reinforces to me that I could pick any number of Maggots who are eminently more qualified and more ethical than her to be VP.

I say we start a drive to get Tarkman on the ticket as a replacement. He's the first person outside of Obama who has acknowledged the right of self-defense when dealing with non-state sponsored attackers. Obama acknowledged it during the dem debates (no other dem knew the law).

I had to research it - but here is a summary:

...."the right of self-defense in the case of armed attack by a non-state armed group......... Resolution 1701 has actually made a step in the direction of allowing states attacked by non-state actors to retaliate" without intervention from a higher international authority. Quoted text from Harvard International Law Journal dated 6/5/2007: http://www.harvardilj.org/online/115

That would be something I'd expect a Prez and VP candidate to know when it comes to National Security.

I still can't believe that Palin used the "you can see Russia from Alaska" as a demonstration of her International diplomacy experience.

[Krusty voice] oh gawd, we're ruined!! [/krusty voice]

ak_powder_monkey

09-11-2008, 09:41 PM

http://www.concertshots.com/August%202006/cs-CarlosMencia1-Athens081606.JPG
Deet Dee Dee
RETARTED

09-11-2008, 09:41 PM

Wow, that's an abrupt about face. Your honesty is commendable.

If they let her talk to the press again I'm sure your opinion will be reinforced. I guess she's scheduled for Meet The Press on Sunday, it's a pity Tim Russert isn't around to do the honors.

still hard to believe he's gone.

basom

09-11-2008, 09:43 PM

GIBSON: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?
PALIN: [she got really mad at that question] - I have not. And, I think if you go back in history and I think if you ask that question of many vice presidents, they have the same answer that I just gave you . . .

it now comes to light that every single vice president has in fact met at least one foreign head of state prior to their selection as VP candidate. she sure does a lot of research.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 09:47 PM

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 09:48 PM

it now comes to light that every single vice president has in fact met at least one foreign head of state prior to their selection as VP candidate. she sure does a lot of research.

Linky? . .

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 09:50 PM

Meeting people makes you qualified to do what, shake hands? Keep digging Obamas grave by trying to make non-issues relevant.
it now comes to light that every single vice president has in fact met at least one foreign head of state prior to their selection as VP candidate. she sure does a lot of research.

spindrift

09-11-2008, 09:50 PM

Continue... Explain more please...

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 09:53 PM

wait. i don't get it. not to hijak

but is crud's uncle the same as uncle crud?

b/c uncle crud was kinda cool in an assholey kinda way. crud's uncle seems like a hostile retarded fat kid with a fistful of shit.

Palin's fucking retarded. blah blah blah. this election (and the last two) are based on image and not content. look at W. we (they) voted for numbnuts b/c he was a like-able guy. someone you could relate to and have over for beers. Now were going to repeat the same mistake for McSame/Failin'.

If you really think M/P is a good ticket you're a brainwashed monkey.

Tippster

09-11-2008, 09:56 PM

If THIS is the results of her prior experience plus 2 weeks of full time coaching by a "presidential level" team, plus a sympathetic hand picked interviewer and softball format... I'm thinking the same thing as Schindler's magic 8-ball; This could get painful for her and the GOP when it gets "real". Anyone think there's a chance they could just try and hide her away from the press for the last 55 days?

They'll do exactly that. There is no way in hell this woman will ever do an open question press conference... you know, the thing that McCain did every public appearance before he sealed the nomination.

I wouldn't be surprised if she doesn't give any more interviews after this, period.

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 09:57 PM

make non-issues relevant.

airplane on ebay (which didn't sell on ebay, but sold private party 6 months later at a loss of $700k to AK)

lapel pins

fist bump handshakes

reverend wright

being a hockey mom (wtf does this have to do with running the country?)

Obama's middle name

the pig in lipstick comment

i could go on and on...just off the top of my head.

wtf kind of GOP cock are you smoking crud?

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 09:57 PM

Ok, she doesn't know the Bush Doctrine. Let me spin it for you. It is a beltway term. Sarah is not part of the DC crowd, and although she knows Bush's stance, she did not recognize the term. I think us non-elite will be ok with that.

On the other hand, I think it is much worse for a Presidential candidate not to realize that Russia has veto power on the UN Sec. Council. It is also worse to blame Georgia for Russia's aggression.

Seems to me that Sarah has the fortitude to make a decision to stand up to Putin, while Obama will put his tail between his legs and turn it over to the UN.

1. Ummmm... "beltway term"? I live in the suburbs in WI... but because I follow politics, I've known the term since it was coined about the start of the Iraq war. She has to be totally CLUELESS to not know it.

2. I don't recall exactly what it was that caused you to go off track with that one a while ago... but it was hogwash back then, and still is. If you want me to tear that argument a new A-hole... bring it. (Edit: this is regards UN Sec Council part)

3. It's still uncertain exactly what Cheney's involvement was at the beginning of the conflict. Some believe that he was pushing the Georgians exactly to get this response to help McCain. Either way, remember... it was Georgia moving into internationally recognized GEORGIAN TERRITORY, Georgia DID NOT ATTACK RUSSIA IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!! PERIOD. FACT. Then of course Russia, with thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks recently mobilized and waiting at the border, cruised in to Georgia's territory. AGAIN, since you seem to be a bit slow witted (read intentionally dense) sometimes. GEORGIA NEVER ATTACKED RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT RUSSIA DID ATTACK GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

4. Problem is, Palin will have no fucking clue which one of the Russians in the room is Putin. :nonono2:

basom

09-11-2008, 10:00 PM

i was wrong, she'd be the first in 32 years to no have met a head of state. i dont have a reliable link, i'm sure there will be one available shortly.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:02 PM

Nathan Explosion

09-11-2008, 10:03 PM

I think that Sarah Palin's voice should sound more like this. Then she'd get my vote:

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Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:04 PM

See liberal fags like you just don't get it. A lot of us rednecks think some of those non-issues are important, as we cling to our religion and our guns.
airplane on ebay (which didn't sell on ebay, but sold private party 6 months later at a loss of $700k to AK)

lapel pins

fist bump handshakes

reverend wright

being a hockey mom (wtf does this have to do with running the country?)

Obama's middle name

the pig in lipstick comment

i could go on and on...just off the top of my head.

wtf kind of GOP cock are you smoking crud?

Tippster

09-11-2008, 10:07 PM

3. It's still uncertain exactly what Cheney's involvement was at the beginning of the conflict. Some believe that he was pushing the Georgians exactly to get this response to help McCain. Either way, remember... it was Georgia moving into internationally recognized GEORGIAN TERRITORY, Georgia DID NOT ATTACK RUSSIA IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!! PERIOD. FACT. Then of course Russia, with thousands of troops and hundreds of tanks recently mobilized and waiting at the border, cruised in to Georgia's territory. AGAIN, since you seem to be a bit slow witted (read intentionally dense) sometimes. GEORGIA NEVER ATTACKED RUSSIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT RUSSIA DID ATTACK GEORGIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's what he's saying, Tim.

Unfortunately that's not exactly the case... it's a bit more nuanced than that. There's quite a large body of evidence pointing at the situation being akin to Kosovo, where the local population of South Ossetia was basically rebelling against Georgia and asking Russia for help in resisting the Georgian military which mobilized to crush the uprising. Not very different from Kosovo, other than the fact that Georgia is our ally (and the nexus of a HUGE Oil & Gas pipeline) and Serbia was not.

This was Ron Paul's point the other day, and also why Obama wasn't 100% gung-ho about being willing to go to war for Georgia. We're historically allergic to forcing someone to be part of a country that they don't want to be a part of.

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 10:11 PM

Just for the record... since I've not seen it mentioned here at TGR before, though I've not read EVERY thread/post here... I think? :redface:

Sarah Palin didn't do something radical in deciding to put that plane up for sale on Ebay. It had been standard State of Alaska policy for 3.5 years at that point that EVERYTHING above a certain price WAS REQUIRED to be placed for sale on Ebay... Still think it's funny that after this revelation, and that it never sold there, that the fundie-brained GOPZombies still eat it up like it is actually true. :rolleyes2

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:12 PM

Rasputin

09-11-2008, 10:13 PM

wait. i don't get it. not to hijak

but is crud's uncle the same as uncle crud?

b/c uncle crud was kinda cool in an assholey kinda way. crud's uncle seems like a hostile retarded fat kid with a fistful of shit.

No. Crud's Uncle is not Uncle Crud, just some dumbass reactionary bigot who couldn't think up a name for himself, so he reversed the screen name of someone he's the opposite of.

Back on topic, I've started watching the video, and she seems to be straining to maintain composure when caught off guard.

cloudpeak

09-11-2008, 10:13 PM

remember... it was Georgia moving into internationally recognized GEORGIAN TERRITORY, Georgia DID NOT ATTACK RUSSIA IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!!!! PERIOD. FACT.

Georgia's status with regard to Ossetia seems more complicated than this. Ossetia has been a successionist area for a long time. Since 1992, Russia and the UN have overseen a ceasefire there. Even though Russia apparently had been antagonizing Georgia, in the August 2008 event, Georgia made the first move.

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:14 PM

mmmkay cruddy

why don't you fill me on which one of those listed issues are important and relevant to being President of the United States.

oh. and i never said anything about rednecks clinging to religion and guns...albeit there are a lot of them, and they horrify me.

See liberal fags like you just don't get it. A lot of us rednecks think some of those non-issues are important, as we cling to our religion and our guns.

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:16 PM

No. Crud's Uncle is not Uncle Crud, just some dumbass reactionary bigot who couldn't think up a name for himself, so he reversed the screen name of someone he's the opposite of.

thanks. that's good. crud original is fun what with the bike shit and all.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:17 PM

Most Americans take two things from the eBay issue. One, there is a certain humor, leadership and common sense in selling it on eBay, rather than having 100 bureaucrats try to market it. Second, regardless of how, she sold the plane to save the state money. As opposed to using her position to bath in luxuries, she chose frugality and humility.

On the other hand, we have a presidential CANDIDATE that designs his own seal.

The images of the two cannot be more opposed. The elite like the hubris, the commoners like the humility.
Just for the record... since I've not seen it mentioned here at TGR before, though I've not read EVERY thread/post here... I think? :redface:

Sarah Palin didn't do something radical in deciding to put that plane up for sale on Ebay. It had been standard State of Alaska policy for 3.5 years at that point that EVERYTHING above a certain price WAS REQUIRED to be placed for sale on Ebay... Still think it's funny that after this revelation, and that it never sold there, that the fundie-brained GOPZombies still eat it up like it is actually true. :rolleyes2

Tippster

09-11-2008, 10:20 PM

On the other hand, we have a presidential CANDIDATE that designs his own seal...

You cannot honestly believe this. What - you think he sketched it out on a bar napkin and asked his campaign manager for his thoughts?

Do you live in the modern age?

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 10:20 PM

That's what he's saying, Tim.

Who's saying what? Crud, McCain, Obama???

Unfortunately that's not exactly the case... it's a bit more nuanced than that. There's quite a large body of evidence pointing at the situation being akin to Kosovo, where the local population of South Ossetia was basically rebelling against Georgia and asking Russia for help in resisting the Georgian military which mobilized to crush the uprising.

As a Politico I am very aware of the secessionist situations in several of the Georgian provinces... I am also aware of the large proportion of ethnic Russian population in this province, and their work to become independent/annex to Russia. But since it seems MANY (including some here) describe the situation in terms that seem they are unaware that these territories are very clearly recognized by the international community as PART OF GEORGIA ITSELF, and NOT A PART OF RUSSIA... and mistakenly believe that Georgia had attacked Russia first, and Russia was simply responding. I was making it very clear, RUSSIA WAS NOT ATTACKED FIRST.

:smile:

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:20 PM

Are you still a hippy loser. I definitely understand your desire for a higher minimum wage. Weed can eat away at $6 an hour pretty fast.
No. Crud's Uncle is not Uncle Crud, just some dumbass reactionary bigot who couldn't think up a name for himself, so he reversed the screen name of someone he's the opposite of.

Back on topic, I've started watching the video, and she seems to be straining to maintain composure when caught off guard.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:23 PM

He sure did not say, don't use it.
You cannot honestly believe this. What - you think he sketched it out on a bar napkin and asked his campaign manager for his thoughts?

Do you live in the modern age?

Powow

09-11-2008, 10:26 PM

Seems to me Obama's first position was that both Georgia and Russia shared blame. Then, he thought the UN Sec. Council should handle the matter.

Obama's lack of decision making skills is more scary that Palin's not knowing a term.

Putin would have his way with Obama. I think Palin may stand up to him.
"We should move ahead with the resolution despite Russian veto threats and submit Russia to the court of world public opinion. " - John McCain

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/11/cnr.02.html

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:27 PM

Most Americans take two things from the eBay issue. One, there is a certain humor, leadership and common sense in selling it on eBay, rather than having 100 bureaucrats try to market it. Second, regardless of how, she sold the plane to save the state money. As opposed to using her position to bath in luxuries, she chose frugality and humility.

Are you real? I should go to bed but you are just retarded enough to entertain.

what is this certain "humor, leadership and common sense" that your talking about? She didn't SELL it on Ebay, she listed it on ebay, then had a staffer sell it at a loss...months after she listed it. If this is the way she saves money she should probably get a crash-course in economics as well as the foreign policy, healthcare, education, domestic issues, and energy classes that the the GOP is speed-feeding her.

...oh...and "most americans" probably don't see it that way. you should probably say "most uneducated rednecks"

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 10:30 PM

Just a quick post for the record to say that I do actually appreciate Palins apparent rejection of continuing the use of the State's luxury jet, and deciding to use commercial aviation for her travel. What ever the rest of the Ebay issue, this obvious cost savings should be considered commendable by all sides IMHO. (Though I actually know little about it other than what I've stated here.)

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:31 PM

Rev Wright. Obama has a close relationship with an anti-white and anti-American radical. I believe that theives stick together as the saying goes.

eBay see my post about its relevance

His middle name, I do not want anyone that is a Muslim or maybe a Muslim as president.

mmmkay cruddy

why don't you fill me on which one of those listed issues are important and relevant to being President of the United States.

oh. and i never said anything about rednecks clinging to religion and guns...albeit there are a lot of them, and they horrify me.

MashedPotatoes

09-11-2008, 10:32 PM

Crud's Uncle, consistently putting the Ass in the Asshattery forum. :yourock::yourock::the_finge

Rasputin

09-11-2008, 10:32 PM

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:34 PM

Humor it was funny.

Leadership, she decidedto take a stab at listing it without going through the typical red tape

Common Sense, well you wouldn't understand.

How do you define loss? Are you factoring in depreciation? Are you factoring in opportunity cost?
Are you real? I should go to bed but you are just retarded enough to entertain.

what is this certain "humor, leadership and common sense" that your talking about? She didn't SELL it on Ebay, she listed it on ebay, then had a staffer sell it at a loss...months after she listed it. If this is the way she saves money she should probably get a crash-course in economics as well as the foreign policy, healthcare, education, domestic issues, and energy classes that the the GOP is speed-feeding her.

...oh...and "most americans" probably don't see it that way. you should probably say "most uneducated rednecks"

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:34 PM

His middle name, I do not want anyone that is a Muslim or maybe a Muslim as president.

Quoted for preservation.

i've done my work here folks! What's the point of debating or discussing anything with someone as fucking stupid as this

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:35 PM

Prowess is required to twist Sarah into something bad. I simply stated the truth, that is easy.
Ooh that stings, I don't know how I shall ever recover from your acerbic prowess. :rolleyes2

Zombie Reagan

09-11-2008, 10:36 PM

His middle name, I do not want anyone that is a Muslim or maybe a Muslim as president.

You are the biggest fucking moron out there. Please vacate my political party, ASAP.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:36 PM

You obviously do not know the history of Islam.
Quoted for preservation.

i've done my work here folks! What's the point of debating or discussing anything with someone as fucking stupid as this

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:37 PM

Go back to your grave.
You are the biggest fucking moron out there. Please vacate my political party, ASAP.

timvwcom

09-11-2008, 10:38 PM

Are you still a hippy loser. I definitely understand your desire for a higher minimum wage. Weed can eat away at $6 an hour pretty fast.

Ooh that stings, I don't know how I shall ever recover from your acerbic prowess.

Prowess is required to twist Sarah into something bad. I simply stated the truth, that is easy.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/Simon--Says/Offtopic.jpg

Zombie Reagan

09-11-2008, 10:38 PM

You obviously do not know the history of Islam.

Are you fucking high? What the fuck would you call what Christians did in the Inquisition, or the Crusades?

Religion is violent, not just every religion but yours. Grow a fucking brain, you racist anti-American half-wit fucking prick. You are a fucking embarrassment to conservatives everywhere.

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:41 PM

Leadership: it didn't sell online. it did sell through a private party sale. also (while on the subject of leadership) lies about accepting federal money (to the tune of hundreds of millions for the bridge (if I hear "thanks, but no thanks" again....)

How exactly was it funny to tell everyone you sold it on ebay when you actually didn't? And how is this relevant to being a vp again?

Common Sense. you think b/c of his middle name he must be muslim. you have no place to judge anyone else judgment.

The plane sold for $700,000 less than the price it was listed on ebay for...which was the aircraft bluebook of the plane.

Humor it was funny.

Leadership, she decidedto take a stab at listing it without going through the typical red tape

Common Sense, well you wouldn't understand.

How do you define loss? Are you factoring in depreciation? Are you factoring in opportunity cost?

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:41 PM

That is like comparing Bush to Stalin. But you probably love Uncle Joe.
Are you fucking high? What the fuck would you call what Christians did in the Inquisition, or the Crusades?

Religion is violent, not just every religion but yours. Grow a fucking brain, you racist anti-American half-wit fucking prick. You are a fucking embarrassment to conservatives everywhere.

Tippster

09-11-2008, 10:45 PM

Who's saying what? Crud, McCain, Obama???Sorry - should have quoted you or used some colors or something... ;)
Crud's Uncle.

these territories are very clearly recognized by the international community as PART OF GEORGIA ITSELF, and NOT A PART OF RUSSIA... Kosovo was recognized by the Intl. community as being part of Serbia.
and mistakenly believe that Georgia had attacked Russia first, and Russia was simply responding. I was making it very clear, RUSSIA WAS NOT ATTACKED FIRST.I don't recall anyone saying that. Russian troops were absolutely attacked first (in the conflict between Georgia and Russia) since they entered South Ossetia at the invitation of the locals... hell, some of them had been there for a decade -- see Cloudpeak's post -- they were part of the Peacekeepers there. Honestly not very different than the Serbs attacking US forces in Kosovo...

rideit

09-11-2008, 10:45 PM

Humor it was funny.

Leadership, she decided....?

You honestly believe that she 'decided' any of that losing gambit?

You are painfully out of touch.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:46 PM

Something is worth what a willing buyer will pay for it, blue book means nothing. If you want a finance or econ lesson, I try to set aside some time.:rolleyes2

It was funny the way she said it. She did not say she sold it on eBay. She said she put it on eBay.

What hypocrites you all are. You won't vote for Sarah, because of her wacko religion, but if I won't vote for a Muslim, I am a bigot.:D
Leadership: it didn't sell online. it did sell through a private party sale. also (while on the subject of leadership) lies about accepting federal money (to the tune of hundreds of millions for the bridge (if I hear "thanks, but no thanks" again....)

How exactly was it funny to tell everyone you sold it on ebay when you actually didn't? And how is this relevant to being a vp again?

Common Sense. you think b/c of his middle name he must be muslim. you have no place to judge anyone else judgment.

The plane sold for $700,000 less than the price it was listed on ebay for...which was the aircraft bluebook of the plane.

Zombie Reagan

09-11-2008, 10:46 PM

That is like comparing Bush to Stalin. But you probably love Uncle Joe.

You are the dumbest of all the idiotic neo-con cocksuckers on here. I've voted conservative my entire life, but the religious right neo-cons such as yourself have gutted the party. We've had EIGHT FUCKING YEARS of LARGER GOVERNMENT and CONSTANT infringement upon our BASIC RIGHTs at your fucking hands.

Fear mongering idiots such as yourself are responsible for 95% of what is wrong with the world today. You might as well be a fucking Democrat, except even they've managed to do more good for the average American than the retarded neo-con policies which seek only to regulate our daily lives based on a bunch of bullshit moral sentiments dreamed up by those who sought to keep opportunity from those who need it.

You're not a conservative, but you're certainly a republican.

Your party considers my namesake the second coming, but with the closed-mindedness which has permeated every aspect of your politics, I don't think even your beloved Reagan could get your approval.

Take your facist pro-Christian values elsewhere, preferably another country. You've fucked this one up enough.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:49 PM

Actually,I am neither Republican or conservative.. Go back to your country club, in your pink and yellow checked pants. Drink a few single malts, and complain about how your Republican Party isn't the same.
You are the dumbest of all the idiotic neo-con cocksuckers on here. I've voted conservative my entire life, but the religious right neo-cons such as yourself have gutted the party. We've had EIGHT FUCKING YEARS of LARGER GOVERNMENT and CONSTANT infringement upon our BASIC RIGHTs at your fucking hands.

Fear mongering idiots such as yourself are responsible for 95% of what is wrong with the world today. You might as well be a fucking Democrat, except even they've managed to do more good for the average American than the retarded neo-con policies which seek only to regulate our daily lives based on a bunch of bullshit moral sentiments dreamed up by those who sought to keep opportunity from those who need it.

You're not a conservative, but you're certainly a republican.

ANON-505

09-11-2008, 10:51 PM

What hypocrites you all are. You won't vote for Sarah, because of her wacko religion, but if I won't vote for a Muslim, I am a bigot.:D

No.

you're a bigot because you think Obama is a Muslim because of his name.

do you live with your mom and dad still? really? like are you a teenager or something that just repeats what his bigot daddy says?

good night. talking with you is like whacking yourself in the eye repeatedly with a ski boot. it just totally sucks.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:51 PM

Such anger. Another Internet tough guy. Ooo please don't hurt me.
You are the dumbest of all the idiotic neo-con cocksuckers on here. I've voted conservative my entire life, but the religious right neo-cons such as yourself have gutted the party. We've had EIGHT FUCKING YEARS of LARGER GOVERNMENT and CONSTANT infringement upon our BASIC RIGHTs at your fucking hands.

Fear mongering idiots such as yourself are responsible for 95% of what is wrong with the world today. You might as well be a fucking Democrat, except even they've managed to do more good for the average American than the retarded neo-con policies which seek only to regulate our daily lives based on a bunch of bullshit moral sentiments dreamed up by those who sought to keep opportunity from those who need it.

You're not a conservative, but you're certainly a republican.

Your party considers my namesake the second coming, but with the closed-mindedness which has permeated every aspect of your politics, I don't think even your beloved Reagan could get your approval.

Take your facist pro-Christian values elsewhere, preferably another country. You've fucked this one up enough.

spindrift

09-11-2008, 10:53 PM

Something is worth what a willing buyer will pay for it, blue book means nothing. If you want a finance or econ lesson, I try to set aside some time.:rolleyes2

It was funny the way she said it. She did not say she sold it on eBay. She said she put it on eBay.

What hypocrites you all are. You won't vote for Sarah, because of her wacko religion, but if I won't vote for a Muslim, I am a bigot.:D

You are a despicable bigot. And a fool. You also are deceitful. You put on a BS show of piety all over the Internet, yet smugly defend deliberate lies when they suit your purpose. You rail about abortion being murder - yet look for every excuse to go to war and kill non-Christians, preferably dark skinned ones. As for the Muslim thing - a rational person would no more vote for an insane or incompetent Muslim as vote for an insane or incompetent Christian. And they'd just as readily vote for a rational Muslim as a rational Christian - based on real qualifications.

Why don't you run along and play with the rest of your ignorant Taliban-like bigot friends...

edit: you are way beyond rating the respect of discussing what you "say" or what you "do". You have provided ample evidence to discuss what you "are". And it is a sad and shameful picture.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 10:55 PM

Please put the ski boot down. I would never hit myself with one, but you obviously must have. See common sense tells me that hitting myself with a piece of plastic with metal buckles is not a good idea. I am sure you are much smarter than me,but common sense keeps one from hurting himself.

Christians bad, Muslims good. I will ponder that.

good night. talking with you is like whacking yourself in the eye repeatedly with a ski boot. it just totally sucks.

rideit

09-11-2008, 10:57 PM

Prowess is required to twist Sarah into something bad. I simply stated the truth, that is easy.

Uhhh...isn't she a creationist, rape-friendly, hypocrite towards abstinence, ignorant of her OWN parties stances/doctrines, liar about her own record on earmarks, douche-whore enough to be 'bad'?
Or haven't you actually ben LISTENING to the news coming out about her, from both sides?

MashedPotatoes

09-11-2008, 10:58 PM

here's the sow in lipstick getting pwned on the Bush Doctrine:rolleyes: by douchebag Charlie Gibson.

Z75QSExE0jU

:nonono2:

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 11:00 PM

Keep it up. I see a landslide victory as America rallies to her defense.

There are a lot of voters that do not view creationism as evil, abstinence as bad, etc.
Uhhh...isn't she a creationist, rape-friendly, hypocrite towards abstinence, ignorant of her OWN parties stances/doctrines, liar about her own record on earmarks, douche-whore enough to be 'bad'?
Or haven't you actually ben LISTENING to the news coming out about her, from both sides?

David Witherspoon

09-11-2008, 11:00 PM

i've done my work here folks! What's the point of debating or discussing anything with someone as fucking stupid as this
Pointless, but we've covered that point (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1993183&highlight=gone+off#post1993183) already.

Even if Zombie Reagan hadn't gone outta character (seriously, wft? :confused: starved for brains? you're in the wrong Party) he'd be the brighter bulb.

Crud's Uncle

09-11-2008, 11:02 PM

Oooo, I am wounded to the core.

You are a despicable bigot. And a fool. You also are deceitful. You put on a BS show of piety all over the Internet, yet smugly defend deliberate lies when they suit your purpose. You rail about abortion being murder - yet look for every excuse to go to war and kill non-Christians, preferably dark skinned ones. As for the Muslim thing - a rational person would no more vote for an insane or incompetent Muslim as vote for an insane or incompetent Christian. And they'd just as readily vote for a rational Muslim as a rational Christian - based on real qualifications.

Why don't you run along and play with the rest of your ignorant Taliban-like bigot friends...

edit: you are way beyond rating the respect of discussing what you "say" or what you "do". You have provided ample evidence to discuss what you "are". And it is a sad and shameful picture.

Zombie Reagan

09-11-2008, 11:03 PM

Pointless, but we've covered that point (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1993183&highlight=gone+off#post1993183) already.

Even if Zombie Reagan hadn't gone outta character (seriously, wft? :confused: starved for brains? you're in the wrong Party) he'd be the brighter bulb.

Crud's Uncle lacks a brain upon which to feed. Please excuse the lapse.

Even if he had one, I wouldn't want to catch his spineless bigotry.

spindrift

09-11-2008, 11:06 PM

Oooo, I am wounded to the core.

Bwa! Improbable for the obvious reasons...

tarkman1

09-11-2008, 11:10 PM

Crud's Uncle, why should I not be leery of Palin assuming the office of the President?

Pretty much as I see it. Her foreign policy credentials are nil. Her military background is scant at best. Economic policies are a question mark. Economic policies does not equal budget. Really, I'd love to ask her what she thinks about the Chinese currency peg on US protectionist policies, ie - tariffs.

Palin seems crafty, but that's about it. I hope she's reached the end of her road come the first Tuesday in November.

Bullet

09-11-2008, 11:12 PM

What hypocrites you all are. You won't vote for Sarah, because of her wacko religion, but if I won't vote for a Muslim, I am a bigot.:D

There are no Muslims in this election. But you are still an ignorant bigot.

BTW, do you ski? You have no posts about skiing.

rideit

09-11-2008, 11:15 PM

Testing....

Rasputin

09-11-2008, 11:17 PM

Why don't you run along and play with the rest of your ignorant Taliban-like bigot friends...

You nailed that one, he's a coward that hides behind dogma and trumpets denial as if it is intelligence. Would have been a natural for the gestapo. Maybe that was his last lifetime..........

Back on subject, regardless of what the troglodytes cling to, there are many intelligent women who became excited about Palin, and will think again about voting for the McCain/Palin ticket after this, and the subsequent interviews, have aired. Good Morning America!

pheenster

09-11-2008, 11:17 PM

doughboyshredder

09-11-2008, 11:42 PM

here's the sow in lipstick getting pwned on the Bush Doctrine:rolleyes: by douchebag Charlie Gibson.

Z75QSExE0jU

:nonono2:

Wow, she is really dumb. Like as dumb as Bush.

Dumb enough to get the uneducated umercan vote.

Like Cruds Uncle, who is completely pwning all of you, while secretly planning to vote for Obama. At least that's my guess because I don't know how anyone could be that dumb (besides Palin and Bush).

The AD

09-11-2008, 11:47 PM

I'm sorry, but I can't see this woman as President of the U.S. after watching that interview. If that makes me sexist, I guess I'm sexist. Parts of that interview sounded like answers beauty pageant contestants would give.

Lizhnik

09-11-2008, 11:52 PM

As a Politico I am very aware of the secessionist situations in several of the Georgian provinces... I am also aware of the large proportion of ethnic Russian population in this province, and their work to become independent/annex to Russia. But since it seems MANY (including some here) describe the situation in terms that seem they are unaware that these territories are very clearly recognized by the international community as PART OF GEORGIA ITSELF, and NOT A PART OF RUSSIA... and mistakenly believe that Georgia had attacked Russia first, and Russia was simply responding. I was making it very clear, RUSSIA WAS NOT ATTACKED FIRST.

:smile:

As a politico, you aren't aware of jack shit. I know you think you are very, very smart, well educated, and the like, but when you repeatedly spew incorrect information, even after being politely corrected by Tippster, well, it just makes me want to write a big fat check to the McCain/Palin campaign - just to spite your dumb ass.

doughboyshredder

09-11-2008, 11:54 PM

timmeh likes colors, but he isn't stupid.

Russia was not attacked. Russian troops may have been attacked inside of Georgia, but Russia was not attacked.

FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION!!!!!!

David Witherspoon

09-12-2008, 12:04 AM

... it just makes me want to write a big fat check to the McCain/Palin campaign - just to spite your dumb ass.

But you won't. :tongue:

Meanwhile, I have. So have others here.

There's plenty of room and need for more help, so - step up and kick in (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1980993&highlight=offer+wendigo+match+dollar#post1980993). Wendigo and I will double your donations.

Nonetheless, you might ask - why contribute? Where's the money going? What for?
Nobody wants to waste money, after all, and "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." (Sun Tzu)

Here's the battlefield:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Sep11.png
The strategy is all fifty states - even Utah, fwiw.
But of course there is a lot more emphasis on the swing states.
The Obama campaign is registering voters by the millions.
A lot of that effort is from volunteers, free; or at semi-volunteer wages, not so free; a lot of people work full-time on this, and they got families to feed too.
We can't all go knock on doors or staff registration and GOTV centers in swing states; but we can all kick in a thank-you to those who can.

do it. (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1980993&highlight=offer+wendigo+match+dollar#post1980993)

Even if it is just to spite some whacko from the ignore list.
Just to make it more interesting - declare your donation to the Obama campaign in honor of Crud's Uncle today! :D

Lizhnik

09-12-2008, 12:11 AM

timmeh likes colors, but he isn't stupid.

Russia was not attacked. Russian troops may have been attacked inside of Georgia, but Russia was not attacked.

FUCKING READING COMPREHENSION!!!!!!

That's an interesting distinction, don't you think? If you want to split hairs, then, yes, Georgia did not attack Russian territory. However, I think any country would consider an attack on its soldiers as an attack on the country itself. Certainly, it would warrant a counter attack.

Regardless, the comment about ethnic Russians living in SO was what made me think Tim doesn't know quite as much as he thinks he knows. As for the point above, what was Tim's point, anyway?

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 07:06 AM

Yea, the Democrats are at it again. I saw a couple Obamaites in front of the court house registering felons to vote.

Now we just have to find them on election day, take them to the polling place and read the ballot to them.

I think Joe Kennedy had a better idea, just vote for dead people. It is much easier.

The whole voter registration movement on the left begs the question, should people that do not register to vote on their own intiative be allowed to vote?

But you won't. :tongue:

Meanwhile, I have. So have others here.

There's plenty of room and need for more help, so - step up and kick in (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1980993&highlight=offer+wendigo+match+dollar#post1980993). Wendigo and I will double your donations.

Nonetheless, you might ask - why contribute? Where's the money going? What for?
Nobody wants to waste money, after all, and "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." (Sun Tzu)

Here's the battlefield:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Pngs/Sep11.png
The strategy is all fifty states - even Utah, fwiw.
But of course there is a lot more emphasis on the swing states.
The Obama campaign is registering voters by the millions.
A lot of that effort is from volunteers, free; or at semi-volunteer wages, not so free; a lot of people work full-time on this, and they got families to feed too.
We can't all go knock on doors or staff registration and GOTV centers in swing states; but we can all kick in a thank-you to those who can.

do it. (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1980993&highlight=offer+wendigo+match+dollar#post1980993)

Even if it is just to spite some whacko from the ignore list.
Just to make it more interesting - declare your donation to the Obama campaign in honor of Crud's Uncle today! :D

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 07:13 AM

That is exactly why you should vote for Palin. If Palin's inexperience bothers you, so should Obamas. Besides travelling, he has no real foreign policy experience. Better to vote for an inexperience VP with an experience president, than vice versa. But to Obamamites, hanging around in the US Senate for a few days qualifies him as an international master. Even Biden said Obama did not have the experience.

Obama admitted it himself by selecting Biden. Biden only asset is his years of expereince, even though he has been wrong most of the tiime. It is really kind of a stupid move. He should have selected Hillary and announced the Biden would be his Secretary of State.

Crud's Uncle, why should I not be leery of Palin assuming the office of the President?

Pretty much as I see it. Her foreign policy credentials are nil. Her military background is scant at best. Economic policies are a question mark. Economic policies does not equal budget. Really, I'd love to ask her what she thinks about the Chinese currency peg on US protectionist policies, ie - tariffs.

Palin seems crafty, but that's about it. I hope she's reached the end of her road come the first Tuesday in November.

09-12-2008, 07:15 AM

crud's uncle = troll

give it a rest, dudes. he's not even worth reading, let alone responding to.

Rasputin

09-12-2008, 07:25 AM

crud's uncle = troll

give it a rest, dudes. he's not even worth reading, let alone responding to.
I suppose you're right, but he's pretty easily riled, and fun to laugh at when he gets angry and shows how stupid he is, it's hard to resist baiting him.

tarkman1

09-12-2008, 07:43 AM

If Palin's inexperience bothers you, so should Obamas

I didn't ask about Obama or his selection as VP.

I asked about Palin. You failed to give a single reason and deflected your response away from her.

I give you a blank slate and got nothing.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 07:54 AM

There is hypocrisy at its finest.
I didn't ask about Obama or his selection as VP.

I asked about Palin. You failed to give a single reason and deflected your response away from her.

I give you a blank slate and got nothing.

agentorange

09-12-2008, 08:00 AM

quick summary of Thursday's Palin interview:

Charlie Gibson: "Please explain how you are ready to take over if that old guy croaks"

Palin: "Charlie.... you know what Charlie, I am. I just am"

Charlie Gibson: "please explain your expertise on foreign policy"

Palin: "Gee, Charlie, I don't know the answer to your question, but see, we need to keep this country safe from terror. From those who are hell-bent against destroying us."

Charlie Gibson: "Care to elaborate?"

Palin: "Like I said Charlie, see, we need to keep this country safe from terror. From those who are hell-bent against destroying us. We don't want nuclear weapons in the hands of evil doers."

Charlie Gibson: "Tell me, you dumb blabbering idiot, do you think under NATO that the United States would have to go to war in response to a Russian invasion of Georgia?"

Palin: "Ummm, I think so? Is this where I say the word 'Ahmadinejad'? Or is that the Iran guy?"

rideit

09-12-2008, 08:00 AM

Hey Crud, did you find a winter gig yet?

rideit

09-12-2008, 08:06 AM

There is hypocrisy at its finest.

Well, THIS is:

Palin's statements on climate change at odds 1 hour, 4 minutes ago

FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska - Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin's assertion that she believes humans play a role in climate change — made in her first major interview since joining the Republican ticket — is at odds with her previous statements.

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Palin said she didn't disagree with scientists that the problem can be attributed to "man's activities."

"Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that," Palin told ABC News in an interview broadcast Thursday and Friday.

However, in the past Palin has said she does not believe global warming is caused by human activity. She has told the Internet news site Newsmax, "A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location. ... I'm not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made."

In an interview with a Fairbanks newspaper within the last year, Palin said: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity." ABC cited the interview as being at odds with her statement.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has said humans have caused climate change.

In the ABC interview, Palin said she believes that "man's activities certainly can be contributing to the issue of global warming, climate change. ... Regardless, though, of the reason for climate change, whether it's entirely, wholly caused by man's activities or is part of the cyclical nature of our planet — the warming and the cooling trends — regardless of that, John McCain and I agree that we gotta do something about it."

Palin also said that while she had not met any foreign heads of state, many other vice presidents may not have, either. However, the vice presidents who have served since 1977 — George H.W. Bush, the former ambassador to China and CIA director; Dick Cheney, chief of staff for President Ford and defense secretary for Bush; and Sens. Walter Mondale, Dan Quayle and Gore — likely would have met heads of state and other foreign leaders because of their extensive experience in the federal government.

Questions about Palin's knowledge of foreign policy dominated the interview with ABC's Charles Gibson. Palin repeated her earlier assertions that she's ready to be president if called upon, yet she sidestepped questions on whether she had the national security credentials needed to be commander in chief.

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has defended his running mate's qualifications, citing her command of the Alaska National Guard and Alaska's proximity to Russia.

Pressed about what insights into recent Russian actions she gained by living in Alaska, Palin told Gibson, "They're our next-door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska."

Palin, 44, has been Alaska's governor for less than two years and before that was a small-town mayor. Asked whether those were sufficient credentials, Palin said: "It is about reform of government and it's about putting government back on the side of the people, and that has much to do with foreign policy and national security issues."

She said she brings expertise in making the country energy independent as a former chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission.

Palin said that other than a trip to visit soldiers in Kuwait and Germany last year, her only other foreign travel was to Mexico and Canada. She also:

_Appeared unsure of the Bush doctrine — essentially that the United States must help spread democracy to stop terrorism and that the nation will act pre-emptively to stop potential foes.

Asked whether she agreed with that, Palin said: "In what respect, Charlie?" Gibson pressed her for an interpretation of it. She said: "His world view." That prompted Gibson to say "no, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war" and describe it to her.

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation," Palin said, though she added "there have been mistakes made."

Pressed repeatedly on whether the United States could attack terrorist hideouts in Pakistan without the country's permission, she said: "If there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country. In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend."

_Said nuclear weapons in Iran's hands are dangerous, and said "we've got to put the pressure on Iran." Asked three times what her position would be if Israel felt threatened enough to attack Iranian nuclear facilities, Palin repeatedly said the United States shouldn't "second guess" Israel's steps to secure itself.

_Called for Georgia and the Ukraine to be included in NATO, a treaty that requires the U.S. to defend them militarily. She also said Russia's attack into Georgia last month was "unprovoked." Asked to clarify that she'd support going to war over Georgia, she said: "Perhaps so."

On the environment, Palin said she disagreed with McCain's position against oil drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge in Alaska.

"We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

(This version CORRECTS SUBS 2nd graf to correct reference to man's activities; ADDS Palin suggesting that many vice presidents may not have met foreign heads of state.)

philippeR

09-12-2008, 08:14 AM

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a233/Simon--Says/Offtopic.jpg
POTD !
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shredgnar

09-12-2008, 08:18 AM

She really has here work cut out for her getting ready for the Biden debate. I can't wait to see what happens there.

On s side note. I bought some tires from this chick at costco yesterday and she looked like Sarah Palin but with a Bigger ass and a double chin. She was real nice but I still won't vote for her.:D

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 08:30 AM

A guy that looks like Obama mowed my lawn. Real nice guy, but I won't vote for him.:D

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 08:30 AM

Another racist bigot.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,420161,00.html

Tye 1on

09-12-2008, 08:45 AM

Gibson has a better grasp of today's world than Palin does. That's not saying much. She's an embarrassment.

Buster Highmen

09-12-2008, 09:19 AM

Sarah Palin is riding one of those special bicycles.

ColMan

09-12-2008, 09:20 AM

WTF is up w/ McCain? I was a big McCain fan (back when he was actually a maverick) and would have voted for him in 2000. I have now lost all respect for him. I can't believe he would choose someone that incompetent as his running mate. Guess that's what happens when you start taking orders from Rove and put your campaign before your country. Pretty sad.

Tye 1on

09-12-2008, 09:35 AM

Mathematics

09-12-2008, 10:08 AM

you guys do realize that all those people in middle america - you know, the red states that put bush in office twice - are just as ignorant & racist as crud?

I just watched the interview this morning, and while I find the majority of her un-answers pretty scary, middle america will eat it up.

hutash

09-12-2008, 10:13 AM

Was anybody else bothered by her..."I didn't blink/ I won't blink" response to the question about what she thought when asked to be VP?

She was being asked to be second in command of the most powerful army, the largest economy, et cetera, and she never stopped to think whether she was right for the job. She just said yes without thinking. With out wondering how it would affect herself, her state, her family, or the rest of the country or world?

She quickly moved on to decisions she make have to make as a world leader if necessary, and said she would not blink. Which makes me think she will just react without thinking, then not back down regardless how bad of a decision she made.

After hearing a few of Palin's comments my wife asked how hard would it be to regain her Canadian citizenship? (She was a dual citizen until she turned 18 then had to choose one. She was born here, but her parents were Canadian.)

Buster Highmen

09-12-2008, 10:15 AM

you guys do realize that all those people in middle america - you know, the red states that put bush in office twice - are just as ignorant & racist as crud?

That's not true and is as jingoist as sterotyping minorities.

I just watched the interview this morning, and while I find the majority of her un-answers pretty scary, middle america will eat it up.

As long as people come on with a dismissive attitude, the reaction will be obvious. All you can do is try to steer people back to the data and history.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 10:22 AM

You are right, except I am neither ignorant or a bigot. I do believe there are a lot of bigots that won't vote for Obama because he is black. However, I am not one of those.
you guys do realize that all those people in middle america - you know, the red states that put bush in office twice - are just as ignorant & racist as crud?

I just watched the interview this morning, and while I find the majority of her un-answers pretty scary, middle america will eat it up.

Cliff Huckable

09-12-2008, 10:26 AM

Nuance away. You are going to see Putin swallow up countries over the next few years.

Frankly, I am not sure what if anything we can do. It may be like 56. We told the Hungarians to rise up, and we would have their backs. Damn, they took America at its word, and were slaughtered.

At least McCain and Palin would give Putin some doubt. Obama would be an invitation for Putin to do anything he wants.

Writing something like that exposes the fact that you don't have any idea how these relationships work. You've watched too many movies, or played too many video games...whatever, you haven't read enough books.

BFD

09-12-2008, 10:26 AM

since the jet keeps coming up i would like to point out that the state had previously unloaded items on ebay. Previously they sold a state ferry the Bartlett. This is not a Palin idea. Everything she can regergetate on world affairs has been drilled into her in the last two weeks.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 10:28 AM

First, I have to learn how to read. :D
Writing something like that exposes the fact that you don't have any idea how these relationships work. You've watched too many movies, or played too many video games...whatever, you haven't read enough books.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 10:31 AM

Every read Peters? The NIH syndrome. Do you have any proof that it was not her idea to sell the plane. Do you have any proof that she had no knowledge of world affairs. Of course not, but proof is only required for those that don't worship Obama as the messiah.
since the jet keeps coming up i would like to point out that the state had previously unloaded items on ebay. Previously they sold a state ferry the Bartlett. This is not a Palin idea. Everything she can regergetate on world affairs has been drilled into her in the last two weeks.

Mathematics

09-12-2008, 10:37 AM

Do you have any proof that she had no knowledge of world affairs.

I think her interview pretty much covered that one.

Grange

09-12-2008, 10:55 AM

tarkman1

09-12-2008, 11:00 AM

There is hypocrisy at its finest.

Answer the question. Oh, you can't.

Your Honor, may I have permission to treat this a hostile witness.

Crud, for all your talk, it's hollow. You can't make an self-contained argument to support your own views. I ask you a simple question and you evade.

Mathematics

09-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Answer the question. Oh, you can't.

Your Honor, may I have permission to treat this a hostile witness.

Crud, for all your talk, it's hollow. You can't make an self-contained argument to support your own views. I ask you a simple question and you evade.

this election isn't about answering questions. anybody that wants to seriuosly discuss the issues can gtfo. seriouslyy, where have you been?

P_McPoser

09-12-2008, 11:12 AM

Wow. Not so impressed. Definitely afraid of her as president. Vote going back towards Obama at this point. We'll have to see the debates.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 11:22 AM

It really doesn't bother me that you take my comments out of context, or attribute to me your uninformed inferences.

I did not say Obama was a Muslim. He may be, he may not. He is a typical politician, and I do not believe much of what comes out of his mouth. Nor do I believe McCain.

FWIW, my post was in response to a question about relevance. I think it is relevant to explore the ideological beliefs of a candidate. Thus, it is relevant to determine if someone with a Muslim name is in fact a Muslim.

Just as many of you have expressed that you will not vote for a fundamentaliist Christian, I will not vote for a Muslim. I am not advocating that they are interned, that their rights are taken away, that they are killed or that they are deported. I simply will not vote for one.

For me personally, it is a non-issue. I disagree with so many of Obama positions, thati it is not worth my time to try and determine if he is a Muslim or not. However, for many Americans it is a relevant issue.
Something doesn't fit?

RaccoonFace

09-12-2008, 11:43 AM

All of this happening now and The fucking Daily Show is on VACATION!!!! WTF?!?!?!

okbye

Cliff Huckable

09-12-2008, 12:31 PM

here's the sow in lipstick getting pwned on the Bush Doctrine:rolleyes: by douchebag Charlie Gibson.

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:nonono2:

Keep it up. I see a landslide victory as America rallies to her defense.

If this woman is on the winning ticket your country will be an international joke.

Watch that video.
Anyone who watches that video is going to see right through her: she's a small-town bullshitter. Look at her face. Listen to what she says. She doesn't know what she's doing. It's that simple. And if you don't believe it just watch that video.
She's a far-right Peggy Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Hill).
You really want HER sitting down with world leaders? No, you do not.

Sensisnow

09-12-2008, 01:06 PM

http://kscakes.com.nyud.net:8080/LolCats/Uploads/Saved/forin-policy-ur-doing-it-wrong.jpg

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 01:20 PM

I could not care less about what the globe thinks about America.

I would rather retain our sovereignty with McCain/Palin that lose it with Obama/Biden.
If this woman is on the winning ticket your country will be an international joke.

Watch that video.
Anyone who watches that video is going to see right through her: she's a small-town bullshitter. Look at her face. Listen to what she says. She doesn't know what she's doing. It's that simple. And if you don't believe it just watch that video.
She's a far-right Peggy Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Hill).
You really want HER sitting down with world leaders? No, you do not.

hutash

09-12-2008, 01:28 PM

Does anybody have a link for the entire interview? I have found pieces of it, but not sure how much is missing.

timvwcom

09-12-2008, 01:29 PM

Does anybody have a link for the entire interview? I have found pieces of it, but not sure how much is missing.

Think they've only released snippets yet... Was it 20/20 tonight that the whole thing was going to be shown on???

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 01:31 PM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45010000/jpg/_45010329_7ddb7243-5667-462e-8950-7a60400a2acf.jpg

Was it just me, or did she come off as pissy?

Rasputin

09-12-2008, 01:32 PM

She's a far-right Peggy Hill (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peggy_Hill).

DING DING DING!!!

I knew she reminded me of someone, but I couldn't quite place it.

Dantheman

09-12-2008, 01:56 PM

I could not care less about what the globe thinks about America.

And that's why you're retarded. It may be hard for you to swallow, but as good as our military is at blowing shit up, our ability to project power through military means is actually quite limited and heavily dependent on the rest of the world thinking that we are good people and will do the right thing (or at least do more good than harm). This is even more critical in the post-Soviet era, there is no longer a great evil to make us look good. You won't, but I suggest you read The Limits of Power (http://www.amazon.com/Limits-Power-End-American-Exceptionalism/dp/0805088156/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221248878&sr=8-1)

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 02:01 PM

You must be the retarded one. If I am so stupid, why do you give me credit with the ability to read, much less comprehending such weighty tomes?

Mathematics

09-12-2008, 02:29 PM

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45010000/jpg/_45010329_7ddb7243-5667-462e-8950-7a60400a2acf.jpg

Was it just me, or did she come off as pissy?

definitely pissy. her voice is F-ing annoying too. can't wait til the debate with Biden, hopefully he'll put her in her place.

and by place, I mean the kichen.

From_the_NEK

09-12-2008, 02:30 PM

You must be the retarded one. If I am so stupid, why do you give me credit with the ability to read, much less comprehending such weighty tomes?

I know several very smart people who struggle with reading. Not being able to read does not necessarily = Stupid.
However, your incredibly narrowminded troll posts make you out to be the owner of stupid. :D

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 02:30 PM

She is acting way to defensive.

Probably because she lacks leadership skillz.

hutash

09-12-2008, 02:40 PM

Probably because she lacks leadership skillz.

I don't know, i bet she leads Todd Palin around by the short hairs.

Can you imagine being married to that Bitch, it would be worse then being married to Hillary.:eek:

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 02:43 PM

She would be a little combative in bed. Could be a fun time though...?

Powow

09-12-2008, 02:46 PM

and by place, I mean the kichen.
THE SEXISM...IS SO DEEP!!

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 02:49 PM

What sexism? People are saying the same shit about McCain. Saying his place is in the oval office. That's a little sexists. All men belong in the office....

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 02:50 PM

It's the same for mccain. It's sexist to say he belongs in the oval office. All men don't belong in the office.

Steven S. Dallas

09-12-2008, 03:05 PM

Thus, it is relevant to determine if someone with a Muslim name is in fact a Muslim. The name "Barack" is an Swahili, borrowed from Arabic, and with with Semitic origins. Maybe you should determine whether or not he's Jewish.

Palin looked dumb and bitchy in the interview last night.

timvwcom

09-12-2008, 03:05 PM

From ABC; "watch Gibson's exclusive interviews with Palin tonight on "World News" at 6:30 p.m. ET, a special "20/20," at 10 p.m. ET, and "Nightline" at 11:35 p.m. ET"

Then here are links from ABC news to the 2nd and 3rd parts of the Palin interviews that haven't been discussed here yet;

Second;
EXCERPTS: Charlie Gibson's Second Interview With Sarah Palin (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5781460&page=1)

Third;
Sarah Palin Blasts Congressional Spending, Insists She Opposed 'Bridge to Nowhere' (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5787748&page=1)

Sarah Palin on 'Bridge to Nowhere':

GIBSON: You have said continually, since he chose you as his vice-presidential nominee, that I said to Congress, thanks but not thanks. If we're going to build that bridge, we'll build it ourselves.

PALIN: Right.

GIBSON: But it's now pretty clearly documented. You supported that bridge before you opposed it. You were wearing a t-shirt in the 2006 campaign, showed your support for the bridge to nowhere.

PALIN: I was wearing a t-shirt with the zip code of the community that was asking for that bridge. Not all the people in that community even were asking for a $400 million or $300 million bridge.

GIBSON: But you turned against it after Congress had basically pulled the plug on it; after it became apparent that the state was going to have to pay for it, not the Congress; and after it became a national embarrassment to the state of Alaska. So do you want to revise and extend your remarks.

PALIN: It has always been an embarrassment that abuse of the ear form -- earmark process has been accepted in Congress. And that's what John McCain has fought. And that's what I joined him in fighting. It's been an embarrassment, not just Alaska's projects. But McCain gives example after example after example. I mean, every state has their embarrassment.

GIBSON: But you were for it before you were against it. You were solidly for it for quite some period of time...

PALIN: I was...

GIBSON: ... until Congress pulled the plug.

PALIN: I was for infrastructure being built in the state. And it's not inappropriate for a mayor or for a governor to request and to work with their Congress and their congressmen, their congresswomen, to plug into the federal budget along with every other state a share of the federal budget for infrastructure.

GIBSON: Right.

PALIN: What I supported was the link between a community and its airport. And we have found that link now.

Sarah Palin on Congressional Spending:

GIBSON: The state of Alaska, under OMB figures in 2008, got $155 million in earmarks for a population of 670,000. That's $231 per person in Alaska. The state of Illinois, Obama's state, got $22 per person. You got ten times per person as much. How does that square with your reforms?

PALIN: We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office.

GIBSON: But you still have multiple of any other state.

PALIN: We sure are -- and this is what -- you go out and you ask any Alaskan this. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more.

GIBSON: Governor, this year, requested $3.2 million for researching the genetics of harbor seals, money to study the mating habits of crabs. Isn't that exactly the kind of thing that John McCain is objecting to?

PALIN: Those requests, through our research divisions and fish and game and our wildlife departments and our universities, those research requests did come through that system, but wanting it to be in the light of day, not behind closed doors, with lobbyists making deals with Congress to stick things in there under the public radar. That's the abuse that we're going to stop. That's what John McCain has promised over and over for these years and that's what I'm joining him, also, saying, you're right, the abuse of earmarks, it's un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 03:10 PM

The question asked about his middle name.regarding his last name, even Teddy mixes Obama up with Osama.
The name "Barack" is an Swahili, borrowed from Arabic, and with with Semitic origins. Maybe you should determine whether or not he's Jewish.

Palin looked dumb and bitchy in the interview last night.

Steven S. Dallas

09-12-2008, 03:16 PM

The question asked about his middle name. Okay. The name "Hussein" is an Arabic name. Many Arabs are Muslim, but there are also Christian and Jewish Arabs, predominantly in North Africa.

So I'm still not sure what you're talking about with the Muslim name thing.

Crud's Uncle

09-12-2008, 03:19 PM

Because I was asked about it. It is not an issue for me as I previously stated. However, I recognize it is relevant for others.

PeterPan11

09-12-2008, 03:20 PM

Sarah Palin is ready for PPV.

timvwcom

09-12-2008, 09:27 PM

Thought was more of the same from tonight's 20/20... will watch the Nightline piece coming up, but for now; Think this sentiment nails it!

...sounded like answers beauty pageant contestants would give.

ANON-505

09-12-2008, 09:30 PM

she just got her ass handed to her talking to Gibson about the Bridge and earmarks.

Rasputin

09-12-2008, 09:34 PM

The latest Newsweek poll puts it at even.

The AD

09-12-2008, 11:24 PM

So do other people in Alaska sound like Palin or is this some kind of contrived accent?

Tippster

09-12-2008, 11:34 PM

Gallup has it at 48-45 McCain.

Smokey McPole

09-13-2008, 07:22 AM

she just got her ass handed to her talking to Gibson about the Bridge and earmarks.

Oh well - at least she didn't talk abut her Muslim heritage and try to will a parapalegic to walk.

Rasputin

09-13-2008, 08:03 AM

Gallup has it at 48-45 McCain.

Ah yes, but that sample contains more data from before these interviews were available, and there was another poll (Hotline)in the same time frame that put Obie at +1. Of course it really doesn't matter much what the polls say, but its a nebulous indicator to jabber on about while we wait for the debates. :smile:

ANON-505

09-13-2008, 08:11 AM

her Muslim heritage

HOLY SHIT! Failin is a Muslim!!!

She must also be a communist, as she can SEE Russia from parts of her homestate.

Pailin=Commie Muslim!!! Jer said it, so it must be true!!!!!

timvwcom

09-13-2008, 05:16 PM

Hmmm...

Fact checking can be a such a bitch.

So-Called Energy Expert Sarah Palin Doesn’t Know How Much Energy Her State Produces (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/13/palin-alaska-energy/)

On Wednesday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) defended Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s “experience does she have in the field of national security” by asserting that “she knows more about energy than probably anyone else in the United States of America.” McCain’s claim to Palin’s expertise was undercut the next day, however, when Palin severely overstated Alaska’s energy production in an interview with ABC News’s Charlie Gibson.

Challenged by Gibson on her “national security credentials,” Palin cited her experience as the governor of a “state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy” as a credential that she “brings to the table“:

PALIN: Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that’s with the energy independence that I’ve been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy, that I worked on as chairman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, overseeing the oil and gas development in our state to produce more for the United States.

Watch it:
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But, as the non-partisan FactCheck.org points out, Palin’s claim about Alaska producing 20 percent of America’s domestic energy supply is “not true. Not even close.” In fact, “Alaska’s share of domestic energy production was 3.5 percent.”

Palin would have been closer to reality, but still incorrect if she made the claim specifically about oil production rather than energy supply:

Palin would have been correct to say that Alaska produces just over 14 percent of all the oil produced in the U.S., leaving out imports and leaving out other forms of power. According to the federal government’s Energy Information Administration, Alaskan wells produced 263.6 million barrels of oil in 2007, or 14.3 percent of the total U.S. production of 1.8 billion barrels.

But Alaskan production accounts for only 4.8 percent of all the crude oil and petroleum products supplied to the U.S. in 2007, counting both domestic production and imports from other nations. According to EIA, the total supply was just over 5.5 billion barrels in 2007.

Furthermore, Palin said “energy,” not “oil,” so she was actually much further off the mark. According to EIA, Alaska actually produced 2,417.1 trillion BTUs [British Thermal Units] of energy in 2005, the last year for which full state numbers are available. That’s equal to just 3.5 percent of the country’s domestic energy production.

Palin’s incorrect facts appear to be rubbing off on McCain. As FactCheck.org notes, McCain made the same claim in a separate interview with Gibson on Sept. 3. “She’s been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America’s energy supply,” McCain told Gibson.

09-13-2008, 05:50 PM

Mathematics

09-13-2008, 07:06 PM

So do other people in Alaska sound like Palin or is this some kind of contrived accent?

no. I have no clue where that accent comes from, but I have yet to meet anyone else up here that sounds even remotely like her.

F'ing annoying though, eh?

iscariot

09-13-2008, 07:36 PM

Too bad everybody's too busy looking at her boobs to bother with what she's saying.

She can speak?

Tippster

09-13-2008, 10:23 PM

watched the interview with the momsley... she thought charles gibson was "too hard on her" and "wouldn't even look her in the eye" when asking his questions. :rolleyes:

i wonder how soft putin et. al will be on her if she were to be veep.
It doesn't matter. She passed the test -- can we make the Retards identify with her.

She passed this test with flying colors. I hate to admit it, but the TGR attention whore is probably right -- McCain Palin will win despite their best efforts to hand it to the Democrats.

That's not shitting on the Dems, actually, that's admitting how fucking retarded the Republican electorate is. Maybe Palin will run with some NASCAR driver as her running mate in 2008. Hey -- he knows how to "turn left."

Rasputin

09-13-2008, 10:25 PM

i wonder how soft putin et. al will be on her if she were to be veep.

As soft as a sledge on a fawn. :fmicon:

Smokey McPole

09-14-2008, 07:35 AM

It doesn't matter. She passed the test -- can we make the Retards identify with her.

She passed this test with flying colors. I hate to admit it, but the TGR attention whore is probably right -- McCain Palin will win despite their best efforts to hand it to the Democrats.

That's not shitting on the Dems, actually, that's admitting how fucking retarded the Republican electorate is. Maybe Palin will run with some NASCAR driver as her running mate in 2012. Hey -- he knows how to "turn left."

Actually - I see it more as how retarded the Democrat Party is. They've been playing this game as long as the GOP has. You'd think that by now they'd know how to appeal to Stupidass Dumbfuck Ignorant Retarded America instead of comming off as a bunch of freaky elitist radicals. This election has been Obama's to loose ever since McCain beat out the rest of the weak Republican field. Hey - I'm not some GOP cheerleader - I don't plan on voting for either McCain or Obama. But I do see the reality of the situation, which is why my e-money's on McCain.

I think Palin will run with Jindal in 2012. And if the Dems come up with another weak candidate in the vien of Gore/Kerry/Obama, she'll win.

timvwcom

09-14-2008, 10:26 AM

Obama is the next president... Palin in the next Dan Quale (well, except for the VP part).

Rubicon

09-14-2008, 10:33 AM

Maybe Palin will run with some NASCAR driver as her running mate in 2008.

Palin/Patrick 2012?

That's a VP choice I could get behind.

timvwcom

09-17-2008, 06:52 PM

Can't believe I wish I had Fox News :eek: Palin's interview with Sean Hannity is on tonight. I'm sure I'll find it online later, curious to hear feedback after any Mags have seen it.

http://elections.foxnews.com/files/2008/09/palin_hannity_091708.jpg

Jer

09-17-2008, 07:14 PM

^^^^^

You wish you had FoxNews??

So you could watch Sarah Palin???

On Hannity's show?????

Did that just really happen?????

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TruckeeLocal

09-17-2008, 07:20 PM

Well in her household only females get to vote.

And she's pandering to the dumb people by referencing their 'wisdom' (smart folks question their own wisdom)

She's showing some leg and has her hair down.

Questions are softballs, no followup.

She is God ! She's going to find cures for incurable diseases. No biggee. She's going to eliminate partisan politics too. What's the problem ?

timvwcom

09-17-2008, 07:38 PM

timvwcom

09-25-2008, 11:33 AM

Here is the biggest part of Palin's Couric interview I could find. Think there is another part yet to be broadcast?

Also, seems a bit unusual that McCain cancels Letterman yesterday to run back to do an unscheduled interview with Couric just before this was broadcast... Read that some are thinking they were trying to push as much of the Palin parts off the broadcast as possible???

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“She’s not always responsive when she’s asked questions,” Couric said of Palin. “It was a really interesting experience for me to interview her yesterday,” she added.

Keegan

09-25-2008, 11:49 AM

The Palin interview is truly painful to listen to. Stumbles over questions, and when she does provide an answer, it's nowhere near the topic. I don't particularly like Couric, but I felt bad for her.
Let's just hope she is as useless next Thursday during the VP debate (assuming McCain doesn't get his way with the delay).

hop

09-25-2008, 12:06 PM

Did she even answer one of Couric's questions?

shredgnar

09-25-2008, 12:17 PM

Wow, that video was terrible. She's such a robot and Couric went easy on her.

No wonder McCain is stalling. She's gonna get eaten alive in the debates.

It scares the shit out of me that, if elected, and old man McCain dies, she could be running the country. How could anyone think that this would be a good thing?

timvwcom

09-25-2008, 12:24 PM

Well, the dam is just a bursting... Palin took her first few questions from the press corps that have been following her;

Palin takes questions from press corps for first time (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/25/palin-takes-questions-from-press-corps-for-first-time/)

NEW YORK (CNN) — Sarah Palin took questions from her traveling press corps Thursday for the first time since being tapped as John McCain's running mate.

Speaking to a small pool of reporters following a visit to Ground Zero in lower Manhattan, Palin made a statement and then answered four questions, addressing the war on terror, the re-election bids of Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens and Rep. Don Young, and the bailout legislation currently in front of Congress.

transcript:

PALIN: Every American student needs to come through this area so that, especially this younger generation of Americans is, to be in a position of never forgetting what happened here and never repeating, never allowing a repeat of what happened here. I wish every American would come through here. I wish every world leader would come through here, and understand what it is that took place here and more importantly how America came together and united to commit to never allowing this to happen again. And just to hear and from and see these good New Yorkers who are rebuilding not just this are but helping to rebuild America has been very, very inspiring and encouraging. These are the good Americans who are committed to peace and security and its been an absolute honor getting to meet these folks today.

CNN: On the topic of never letting this happen again, do you agree with the way the Bush administration has handled the war on terrorism, is there anything you would do differently?

A: I agree with the Bush administration that we take the fight to them. We never again let them come onto our soil and try to destroy not only our democracy, but communities like the community of New York. Never again. So yes, I do agree with taking the fight to the terrorists and stopping them over there.

POLITICO: Do you think our presence in Iraq and afghan and our continued presence there is inflaming islamic extremists?

A: I think our presence in Iraq and Afghanistan will lead to further security of our nation, again, because the mission is to take the fight over there. do not let them come over here and attempt again what they accomplished here, and that was some destruction. terrible destruction on that day. but since September 11, Americans uniting and rebuilding and committing to never letting that happen again.

POLITICO: Do you support the reelection bids of embattled Alaska Republicans, Rep. Don Young and Sen. Ted Stevens?

A: Ted Stevens trial started a couple days ago. We’ll see where that goes.

POLITICO: Are you gong to vote for them?

[no answer.]

JERSEY JOURNAL: What do you think of bailout package before congress?

A: I don't support that until the provisions that Sen. McCain has offered are implemented in Paulson's proposals.

David Witherspoon

09-25-2008, 01:41 PM

Arty50

09-25-2008, 01:55 PM

Let's just hope she is as useless next Thursday during the VP debate (assuming McCain doesn't get his way with the cancellation).

Fixed that for you.

Airsatz

09-25-2008, 02:03 PM

Palin's protoge

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Ready for prime time!

timvwcom

09-25-2008, 04:27 PM

Dunno if this clip is already in there somewhere - Palin explains why Alaska's location means she has foreign policy experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n

She defends her claim. Unbelievable.

It'd be funny. If it weren't real.

D.W... here is the youtube clip of that.

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I'm looking forward to a longer portion of the interview on the CBS Evening news tonight as well.

doughboyshredder

09-25-2008, 05:33 PM

Dunno if this clip is already in there somewhere - Palin explains why Alaska's location means she has foreign policy experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n

She defends her claim. Unbelievable.

It'd be funny. If it weren't real.

Holy Shit. How anyone, even crud's uncle shit eater, could think she is even remotely qualified for this ticket after watching that. The Republican leaders should be ashamed and embarassed.

powbmps

09-25-2008, 05:54 PM

Wow, she can see Canada too.

rideit

09-25-2008, 08:52 PM

Anyone still convinced that she isn't a lost lamb in the wilderness, surrounded by wolves, is SMOKING the kool-aid.
She is tanking, HARD.

timvwcom

09-25-2008, 09:12 PM

You know, as much as I think Palin is a horrendous VP choice, and so absolutely incredibly completely out of her league in a hundred plus obvious ways... Seeing her in this ^^^ you tube clip makes me think spending an evening socializing with her at a party after she's had a few beer would be a total hoot. Especially the part where she struggles to find the right word at :26 seconds here. Seems like she may have a decent sense of humor and is opinionated enough to not be boring to talk to. In fact, watching it again... she sounds here like I'd image she would talk when she's a bit tipsy already. I can remember laughing at friends as they hit that not making complete sense talking phase (before you do :redface:). Oh, and I would so totally hit that!

Also wondering if Dan Quayle is liking the fact that his place on the Republican "lightweight VP choice" hot spot has been taken away... or if maybe he's pissed that this whole situation reminds many of us of his reputation? Though, any issues he had, Palin has times 100.

neck beard

09-25-2008, 10:12 PM

Interview: she doesnt know what shes talking about, its blindingly obvious.

Dunno if this clip is already in there somewhere - Palin explains why Alaska's location means she has foreign policy experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4478156n

She defends her claim. Unbelievable.

It'd be funny. If it weren't real.

Oh no. No, no, no. ^ This has to stop. Is this actually happening? Its a nightmare for America and the world come true.

The AD

09-25-2008, 10:29 PM

Painful. Absolutely painful.

tarkman1

09-26-2008, 01:21 AM

Poor showing with Couric. Palin's best skill seems to be not answer a question directly, succinctly, intelligently, or insightfully. Woefully ill-prepared and ill-suited.

Palin is out of her league in this election campaign. The CBS interview wasn't being a man giving a lady a tough interview. Couric gave her an opportunity to shine. McCain picked the wrong woman from the interview to be his running mate. Palin isn't in the same league as Couric.

philippeR

09-26-2008, 02:04 AM

She's scary.
Will it hurt the republican ticket ?
Or will the voters think she's "fresh", unfairly bashed by the media and the so-called "elite" ?
I don't know what to think.

neck beard

09-26-2008, 06:49 AM

It has to be quoted just for the record.

Palin's unblinking certitude gave way at other times in the interview to a striking imprecision, as when she struggled to respond to Couric's suggestion that the $700-billion bailout might be better funneled through middle-class families instead of Wall Street firms.

"That's why I say I, like every American I'm speaking with, we're ill about this position that we have been put in . . ." Palin began, before meandering off in fruitless pursuit of coherence.

But I'll let the governor speak for herself:

" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-na-onthemedia26-2008sep26,0,3542588.story

hutash

09-26-2008, 09:41 AM

That was painful to watch, but least there was entertainment value . CNN has been surprisingly, kind to Palin up to this point, but last night Anderson Cooper called her interview "Comedy", which just about sums it up. At one point he announced there was more of the interview coming, and with a wry smile said "You won't want to miss this."

Phalin is not ready for prime time, although sh might make a good third grade teacher...."and Iran are bad people and Israel are good people, and bad people are bad, and I know who good people are." For fucks sake she was talking to Katie Couric, who has more intelligence in her dyed hair then Phalin has in her entire cerebral cortex.

Hutch

09-26-2008, 10:00 AM

That tape is unbelievable.

Couric is hotter AND smarter than Palin.

str8line

09-26-2008, 10:20 AM

I had to read this twice to try to comprehend the complete belligerence of her ramblings. Seriously WTF??

But I'll let the governor speak for herself:

" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

David Witherspoon

09-26-2008, 10:21 AM

http://edkrebs.com/herb/Fascist-Palin-.jpg

See, it's not as scary-looking as it sounded. Kinda funny, even.

rideit

09-26-2008, 10:22 AM

I simply can't imagine how she flunked so many classes in Junior College.

Buster Highmen

09-26-2008, 10:27 AM

"Patriotism is the religion of hell” -
James Branch Cabell

frorider

09-26-2008, 10:33 AM

Kathleen Parker, a conservative commentator for National Review Online, said it best today:

Some of the passionately feminist critics of Palin who attacked her personally deserved some of the backlash they received. But circumstances have changed since Palin was introduced as just a hockey mom with lipstick — what a difference a financial crisis makes — and a more complicated picture has emerged.

As we’ve seen and heard more from John McCain’s running mate, it is increasingly clear that Palin is a problem. Quick study or not, she doesn’t know enough about economics and foreign policy to make Americans comfortable with a President Palin should conditions warrant her promotion.

....

Palin didn’t make a mess cracking the glass ceiling. She simply glided through it.

It was fun while it lasted.

Palin’s recent interviews with Charles Gibson, Sean Hannity, and now Katie Couric have all revealed an attractive, earnest, confident candidate. Who Is Clearly Out Of Her League.

No one hates saying that more than I do. Like so many women, I’ve been pulling for Palin, wishing her the best, hoping she will perform brilliantly. I’ve also noticed that I watch her interviews with the held breath of an anxious parent, my finger poised over the mute button in case it gets too painful. Unfortunately, it often does. My cringe reflex is exhausted.

....

Only Palin can save McCain, her party, and the country she loves. She can bow out for personal reasons, perhaps because she wants to spend more time with her newborn. No one would criticize a mother who puts her family first. Do it for your country.

link (http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE=)

Dantheman

09-26-2008, 10:40 AM

Or will the voters think she's "fresh", unfairly bashed by the media and the so-called "elite" ?

The problem is that the evangelicals feel she is "one of them" (which she is) and there are enough of "them" to tip the election if they show up on election day. It is entirely possible to take the White House with almost nothing but evangelicals. Neither Bush Sr. or Jr. won majorities of any major demographic group except evangelicals, which they won overwhelmingly. We only got Clinton because Perot split the GOP vote in 2000.

The AD

09-26-2008, 10:50 AM

Or will the voters think she's "fresh", unfairly bashed by the media and the so-called "elite" ?

Some will, but I also think some of her initial supporters will eventually have to concede this woman has no business in the White House. After seeing these interviews it sure is obvious why McCain's camp has tried to keep her away from the media.

Here's a quote from her Couric interview:
" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Uh huh.

timvwcom

09-26-2008, 02:14 PM

This isn't exactly on topic for a "Sarah speaks..." thread, but I didn't see a better place to put it?

A youtube video of Sarah Palin walking the stage in swimsuit from the 1984 Miss Alaska competition. The douche who has the video does a lame intro, but was funny enough I decided not to even look for a copy in the interwebz somewhere without him;

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Hutch

09-26-2008, 02:36 PM

Hmmm, I guess she wasn't smart enough for local TV news....

Edit - they pulled it!

Dantheman

09-26-2008, 02:37 PM

^^^^^^That didn't last long.

rideit

09-26-2008, 02:38 PM

Hmmm, I guess she wasn't smart enough for local TV news....

Edit - they pulled it!
Pulled what?

timvwcom

09-26-2008, 03:02 PM

Any geeks know if I would still have the youtube in my cache??? Vista running firefox browser.

basinbeater

09-26-2008, 03:08 PM

Posted this in another thread in padded room, but it really belongs here.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q209/pmcbrier/Putinrearinghishead.jpg

Ankf00

09-26-2008, 03:09 PM

http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/putinrearshishead.jpg

timvwcom

09-26-2008, 04:17 PM

Hmmm, I guess she wasn't smart enough for local TV news....

Edit - they pulled it!

Heh... found it hosted somewhere else. Can't embed it, but here is a link to the 1984 Miss Alaska swimsuit walk by Palin; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/sarah-palins-beauty-pagea_n_129667.html

Edit: Imagine what cantankerous Jack Cafferty would say about Sarah Palin? Imagine no more;

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Arty50

09-26-2008, 04:57 PM

Reposted from another forum...

Originally posted by Crackhead Johny:
I see her as a nice blend or retardation and mental illness. I'd love to have someone so close to the presidency who believes in the end of days and wants to see it.

On the other hand maybe she was just picked for her looks. There is a stunning blond on McCain's staff. His wife I do not remember her as being hideous. ... Maybe he is just trying to avoid the Clinton scandal of fraternizing with a chubby homely employee.
Maybe it it just hard for us to understand because you see; a pimp's love is not like the love of a square....

Cliff Huckable

09-26-2008, 06:49 PM

Wow. CNN and MSNBC are orgasming on the interview. What a bunch of policy wonks. Merikuh dont care bout that.

THE BUSH DOCTRINE OMG !111!!1!! SHE DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE BUSH DOCTRINE IS

Remember when this was the only thing she didn't know?

Ah, the memories...

timvwcom

09-27-2008, 12:21 PM

Wow... I know this is from a Left radio talk show host, but have to imagine there is a grain of truth here?

McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless" (http://www.wegoted.com/)
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin.

The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."

hutash

09-27-2008, 12:34 PM

I suspect there will be another attempt to delay/cancel the VP debate. The first one didn't work, what will round two be?

neck beard

09-27-2008, 07:00 PM

You don't have to be an insider or senior Republican aide to know she is genuinely clueless. Just look at her last interview. It’s a fucking disaster for the Republicans, and the educated ones amongst the campaign are crying into their breakfast cereal before doing up their tie and going to work to polish a turd. I'm beginning to think it’s an insult to them. Sooner or later one will panic and crack. Grinning and spouting endless spin in spite of overwhelming hopelessness can only go so far.

What two intelligent educated Republican aides can look each other in the eye and let the “I can see Russia from Alaska” idiocy pass without an honest sigh of despair? And then she tried to defend it.

For the tenth time:
" . . . where it is the taxpayers looking to bail out. But ultimately, what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the healthcare reform that is needed to help shore up our economy. Um, helping, oh -- it's got to be all about job creation too. Shoring up our economy, and putting it back on the right track. So healthcare reform and reducing taxes and reining in spending has got to accompany tax reductions, and tax relief for Americans, and trade, we've got to see trade as opportunity, not as a competitive, um, scary thing, but 1 in 5 jobs being created in the trade sector today. We've got to look at that as more opportunity. All of those things under the umbrella of job creation. This bailout is a part of that."

Tunco

09-27-2008, 07:29 PM

Its back.

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DharmaBum

09-27-2008, 10:01 PM

doughboyshredder

09-27-2008, 10:21 PM

those are the same u.s. americans that will vote for her because of that.

splat

09-27-2008, 10:42 PM

Arianna Huffington: Sunday Roundup

How busy imploding was John McCain this week? Over three crisis-laden days, he couldn't find the time to read Sec. Paulson's original 3-page bailout plan. How not-ready-for-prime-time was Sarah Palin? When pressed to cite an example of McCain pushing for oversight of Wall Street, she told Katie Couric: "I'll try to find you some, and I'll bring 'em to you." How bitter was Bill Clinton? He couldn't stop singing McCain's praises, from Larry King to The View to Letterman to GMA. How much did Joe Biden need a history book? He claimed, "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on television." How unhinged was Newt Gingrich? He called McCain's campaign suspension gambit "the greatest single act of responsible leadership ever taken by a presidential candidate." How steamed was David Letterman?

shredgnar

09-27-2008, 11:05 PM

The McCain campaign has reached "car crash" status. So fun to watch 'em fail, you know you should look away but you still peak between your fingers a little.

concretejungle

09-28-2008, 09:58 AM

The McCain campaign has reached "car crash" status. So fun to watch 'em fail, you know you should look away but you still peak between your fingers a little.

I've made a dentist appointment for Friday because I have to watch her debate but I know that a couple fillings will rattle loose listening to her voice. The wife is out of town so I can yell at the tv all I want.

I just hope Biden doesn't tell her to make him a sandwich or something.

tarkman1

09-28-2008, 10:05 AM

VP debate in on Thursday.

Tippster

09-28-2008, 10:41 AM

VP debate in on Thursday.

Yes. Ergo the need to go to the dentist on Friday.

Rubicon

09-28-2008, 10:48 AM

^^^Heh!

This is probably going to be the highlight of the whole election cycle, one way or the other.

timvwcom

09-28-2008, 11:26 AM

I've made a dentist appointment for Friday because I have to watch her debate but I know that a couple fillings will rattle loose listening to her voice. The wife is out of town so I can yell at the tv all I want.

I just hope Biden doesn't tell her to make him a sandwich or something.

Maybe for your TV's sake, you should lock up your guns (if any), golf clubs and baseball bats too? :p

hutash

09-28-2008, 03:43 PM

I can hardly wait. I plan on drinking many beers, and throwing popcorn at the TV every time she fucks up.

I am planning on making a big bowl of popcorn.

concretejungle

09-28-2008, 03:49 PM

Maybe for your TV's sake, you should lock up your guns (if any), golf clubs and baseball bats too? :p

No guns, and unless she proves to be a genius :rolleyes2 I don't think I'll get angry enough to throw something at the new tv.

timvwcom

09-28-2008, 07:56 PM

Sarah out in Philly talking to the people with daughter Willow along... Sarah get's her tits scoped in this first video;

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More pics and people mingling, orders a cheesesteak, also says she agrees with possible cross border attacks into Pakistan (agreeing with what Obama said in debate) in second video (transcript on that part (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/palin-takes-questions-during-cheesesteak-run-2/));

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"Dude, I'm not making this up dude!"

ABC's Stephanopoulos replays those Pakistan comments, and John McCain has to retract/ignore that statement this morning on "This Week."

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splat

09-28-2008, 08:01 PM

His handlers got the spin all prepped for him to doubletalk like a true chump.

David Witherspoon

09-28-2008, 09:45 PM

If everybody knows (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/09/03/pakistan.attack.afghanistan.deaths/) you're already doing it anyway - if, in fact, it is already your stated policy (http://news.antiwar.com/2008/09/18/gates-defends-right-of-us-military-launch-attacks-into-pakistan/) - does it matter whether you say you're going to do it or not?

doughboyshredder

09-28-2008, 09:57 PM

DW, truth is irrelevant now. This contest has nothing to do with the truth. It sickens me. You think dumbfucks like cruds uncle are going to pay attention to the facts? All they care about is repeating the soundbites.

neck beard

09-29-2008, 08:31 AM

I laughed

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neck beard

09-29-2008, 08:42 AM

The full SNL clip.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

shredgnar

09-29-2008, 09:05 AM

The full SNL clip.

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/couric-palin-open/704042/

That is the embodiment of awesome

timvwcom

09-29-2008, 12:43 PM

Enough of the sky is falling stock market talk... back to the whole purpose of this PolAss forum = Palin;

CBS To Air More Footage Of Couric Interviewing Palin This Week (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/cbs_to_air_more_footage_of_cou.php)
By Greg Sargent - September 29, 2008, 11:48AM

A CBS source confirms to me that more footage of Sarah Palin being interviewed by Katie Couric will indeed air this week, in advance of the debate.

The question of whether there's more footage of Couric talking to Palin arose this morning after Howard Kurtz published a column with this buried at the end:

And the worst may be yet to come for Palin; sources say CBS has two more responses on tape that will likely prove embarrassing.

The CBS source clarifies to me that these taped responses from Palin are not a part of the big trainwreck interview that aired last week.

Rather, the source says, in addition to the big interview, Couric also interviewed Palin as part of its Vice Presidential Questions series, in which the same questions were also posed to Joe Biden.

Couric's interviews with both Veep contenders will air on Wednesday and Thursday. I couldn't verify Kurtz's contention that Palin's answers will "likely prove embarrassing," but we now know that they will definitely air.