Rumsfeld-Cuntbag...

[rideit]

Why is he being allowed to speak for our nation?
Isn't he a complete tratorious douchefuck?

[TruckeeLocal]

Have you EVER held a public office ? If you haven't I don't think you're qualified to criticize. It's a cheap shot to blindly be a naysayer based on partial information, let alone make libelous statements. Full disclosure - I currently hold a public office.

[Mathematics]

Have you EVER held a public office ? If you haven't I don't think you're qualified to criticize. It's a cheap shot to blindly be a naysayer based on partial information, let alone make libelous statements. Full disclosure - I currently hold a public office.

Local garbageman? I pity your constituents.

[rideit]

Didn't his incompetence, in part, cause over 4000 soldiers deaths in Iraq, and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths?

I thought that was pretty well established.

[TruckeeLocal]

Didn't his incompetence, in part, cause over 4000 soldiers deaths in Iraq, and hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths?

I thought that was pretty well established.
Cynically I'd say YOUR (and my) dependance on oil is as much at fault. Our elected representatives sent our troops into harms way. Hence we all share collective responsibility. If you think you can do better run for office. I did. But singling out an individual for your uninformed criticsm doesn't help.

[rideit]

Actually, my criticism is well informed, and I railed against that assbag over eight years ago.
So don't blame me.
Blame the PalinZombies.

As to the Oil thing...gee, that worked out well.
Kudos, Neocons!

[fez]

Have you EVER held a public office ? If you haven't I don't think you're qualified to criticize. It's a cheap shot to blindly be a naysayer based on partial information, let alone make libelous statements. Full disclosure - I currently hold a public office.

wait, now we have to be office holders to comment on the state of our country's politics? I thought the first ammendment had something to say about that. i realize the second is the only ammendment to the bill of rights that repubs hold sacrosanct, but for now the rest of them still apply to citizens. as things stand, we are still citizens. the bush presidency has pushed us closer to being subjects, but we aren't there yet.

and how can you base opinions and comments on anything but partial information when our current president has done everything he can to prevent full disclosure at any level of the executive branch.

considering your apparent disdain for the basic rights that provide the foundation for this country, the fact you hold office is more a cause for concern than celebration.

[fez]

Cynically I'd say YOUR (and my) dependance on oil is as much at fault.

so you're saying it is about oil? and here all along i thought it was because saddam bombed the world trade center and had the bomb.


Our elected representatives sent our troops into harms way. Hence we all share collective responsibility.

our elected representatives chose to send our troops in harms way based on fabricated, discounted, inaccurate information provided at least in part by rummy. furthermore in ineffectively prosecuting the war (disbanding the iraqi army for instance) he guaranteed we would be fighting in that country far longer.


If you think you can do better run for office. I did. But singling out an individual for your uninformed criticsm doesn't help.

rummy was not elected.

[TruckeeLocal]

rummy was not elected.
I think you better go back to skool. Rummy was appointed by his boss who WAS elected and served at his pleasure, i.e. caould be released from his duties at any time. We elected his boss and we share the responsibility for the direction he took us. Meanwhile the OP wrote "Rumsfeld-Cuntbag...
Why is he being allowed to speak for our nation?
Isn't he a complete tratorious douchefuck?"
Which is hardly commenting on policy. It's launching a personal attack. It's taking the lazy way out of being a simple naysayer. Writing that hatefull stuff might have made the OP 'feel' better. Hope so 'cause that's all it did.

[yonskion]

Rumsfeld SUCKS COCK FOR FUN. Fucking super shitbag!!!!!

[Adolf Allerbush]

I think you better go back to skool. Rummy was appointed by his boss who WAS elected...

Why do you hate America?

Do you really believe that Rummy was elected? Even though you admit ^^^ that he was not.

[fez]

I think you better go back to skool. Rummy was appointed
not sure why i would go back to school to learn what i already know?? i have two college degrees, if you dont also have two, I don't think you're qualified to criticize my education.


We elected his boss and we share the responsibility for the direction he took us.
you may have and actually whether or not bush was actually elected in 2000 is still somewhat debateable.


Meanwhile the OP wrote "Rumsfeld-Cuntbag...
Why is he being allowed to speak for our nation?
Isn't he a complete tratorious douchefuck?"

what exactly is your definition of treason? would it not include lying to take the country into an unnecessary war that has served only to emasculate our foreign policy and drive us deeper into debt??


Which is hardly commenting on policy. It's launching a personal attack. It's taking the lazy way out of being a simple naysayer. Writing that hatefull stuff might have made the OP 'feel' better. Hope so 'cause that's all it did.

writing anything about politics or religion on the tgr boards is not likely to have any affect than to make the poster feel better. and american politiics has not been about policy since 1980. personal attacks are currently the only form of political discourse that seems to matter in this country.

[schindlerpiste]

How can anyone in this country support his stance on torture? Aren't we supposed to be "better" than that?

[Buster Highmen]

How can anyone in this country support his stance on torture? Aren't we supposed to be "better" than that?
So...you're still supporting McCain?


Even more disturbing is McCain's embrace of the Military Commissions Act of October 2006. The reported "compromise" before the bill was passed and the media acclamation of John McCain as a champion of human rights was shameful. Bush security advisor Stephen Hadley described the bill as "good news and a good day for the American people" while McCain asserted that it safeguarded "the integrity and letter and spirit of the Geneva Conventions." In reality, the act did nothing of the sort. It stripped habeas corpus rights for citizens and non-citizens accused of terrorism and legalized US war crimes committed before December 30th, 2005. It also prevented individuals injured or killed through US violation of the Geneva Conventions from filing a claim in a US court. Legal US residents were denied their right to challenge their detention in court if they are accused of being enemy combatants and the act also retroactively abolished the right of Guantánamo detainees to challenge their detention. Concerning torture, the act approved the CIA program that had allowed waterboarding and other forms of "enhanced interrogation" and authorized the president to define Geneva Conventions violations as he sees fit without any appeal to the courts. There is no prohibition of the Bush administration's once again authorizing waterboarding, threats against a prisoner's family, and hypothermia, all of which are considered to be both illegal and war crimes. The Military Commissions also permitted the designation of any individuals as unlawful enemy combatants if they provide material support to those engaged in hostilities against the US, a concept previously found unconstitutional. Even worse, the law expands the definition "unlawful enemy combatant" to include anyone cited by a tribunal under the authority of the president or the defense secretary. The law denies anyone determined to be an enemy combatant and anyone "awaiting such determination" the right to challenge the detention, treatment or conditions of confinement in court, even if there is evidence that they were subjected to torture, and it permits the use of evidence obtained from torture in the military tribunals.
McCain's most recent endorsement of torture was his vote against the Intelligence Authorization Act of 2008 on February 13th. The bill was hotly debated because it would make it illegal for US intelligence agencies to use interrogation techniques that are forbidden by the military's guidelines. President Bush has threatened to veto the legislation and McCain lined up with 38 other Republican Senators, one Democrat, and his good friend independent Joe Lieberman to vote against it. In the debate McCain argued somewhat bizarrely that while he strongly opposes torture he is unwilling to apply the military's standards to the intelligence agencies. Lieberman commented that waterboarding is not torture in any event as it does not permanent damage.

[schindlerpiste]

Was that me who said that? I must have smoked too much mother nature while wearing my rose-colored glasses. If your shocked by my comment in this thread, you should read my latest comment in the Joe Biden FAIL thread. I'm in the middle...caught between a rock and hard place.

[Rasputin]

Cynically I'd say YOUR (and my) dependance on oil is as much at fault.

Wrong! We could have purchased the oil without invading Iraq. The $3 billion a week we're spending on the war could have gone back to us to pay for it too.

Rumsfeld is a criminal and should be prosecuted for disseminating and perpetuating falsehoods to encourage and invasion which furthered his personal business interests. The guy should be jailed.

[Buster Highmen]

If your shocked by my comment in this thread, you should read my latest comment in the Joe Biden FAIL thread. I'm in the middle...caught between a rock and hard place.

I'm not shocked, just hopeful.

We're all caught d00d, despite what the extremists say.

[TruckeeLocal]

Rumsfeld is a criminal and should be prosecuted for disseminating and perpetuating falsehoods to encourage and invasion which furthered his personal business interests. The guy should be jailed.
There's that little presumption of innocence. It's in the Bill of Rights. Look it up.

[Mathematics]

There's that little presumption of innocence. It's in the Bill of Rights. Look it up.

I guess you haven't been watching the news much the last 8 years.

and shouldn't you be out collecting trashcans or something?

[PowTron]

Cynically I'd say YOUR (and my) dependance on oil is as much at fault. Our elected representatives sent our troops into harms way. Hence we all share collective responsibility. If you think you can do better run for office. I did. But singling out an individual for your uninformed criticsm doesn't help.

Sooooo....we are not allowed to speak out against government officials? I see...how american of you

[MTT]

Hey he was wrong, he fucked up.

His plan for Iraq was engage the population as little as possible, train the Iraqis, make them fight the insergents. (Sound Familiar)

The policy did not work, but he was of the same mindset as most DemS? He wanted a few troops in country as possilble and engage a little as possible.

I was pissed at him because I beleive he is the one who advocated TORTURE and that has done ireparable damage to the American Image.

Problem is he probably is a patriot and thought he was doing what was best for the USA.

I like the way he talked to Congress, they real get stupid when the camera is pointed thier way.

Rumsfeld is no longer a public offical but for better or woose server our country for Many Many years.

[Toadman]

AFAIK, the 1st amendment is still intact. Did Bush revoke that amendment too, and not tell anyone? You do have the right NOT to listen to Rumsfelds douchebaggery.

[Toadman]

There's that little presumption of innocence. It's in the Bill of Rights. Look it up.

Is that before or after the U.S. tortures the presumed innocent?

[TruckeeLocal]

Sooooo....we are not allowed to speak out against government officials? I see...how american of you
That's what you want to read to develop an antagonistic thread. What I actually questioned was the qualifications of the OP to comment and to draw conclusions such as Rumsfeld being a traitor to the nation.

[fez]

There's that little right to free speech and right to petition the government to redress grievences. It's in the Bill of Rights. Look it up.

[PowTron]

That's what you want to read to develop an antagonistic thread. What I actually questioned was the qualifications of the OP to comment and to draw conclusions such as Rumsfeld being a traitor to the nation.

I am not reading anything other then you blowing up at the OP for SPEAKING out against Rumsfeld and the fact that his OPINION is that he was a traitor and a douchebag...

I am not developing any certain type of thread. I responded to YOUR anti-american statements.

[TruckeeLocal]

I am not reading anything other then you blowing up at the OP for SPEAKING out against Rumsfeld and the fact that his OPINION is that he was a traitor and a douchebag...

I am not developing any certain type of thread. I responded to YOUR anti-american statements.
Apparently it's anti-American (you really should consider capitalizing the "American" bit) for me to express my opinion. Dare I say hypocrisy ? Let's review what I actually wrote ...

I don't think you're qualified to criticize

[fez]

the fact that you believe the freedom of speech is reserved to those you consider 'qualified' is troubling.

[ak_powder_monkey]

he can't go to europe because they want to arrest him for war crimes

[PowTron]

the fact that you believe the freedom of speech is reserved to those you consider 'qualified' is troubling.

That was kind of my point...glad someone got it, albeit a "non-elected" member of TGR.

And, my bad, I didn't capitalize the "A" in american, so I must be completely "unqualified" in all my posts. I was attempting to multi-task at my job, I apolgize to the grammar police in Northern California.

[David Witherspoon]

Cynically I'd say YOUR (and my) dependance on oil is as much at fault.
Quite uncynically, I'd say that's complete bullshit.

And it's spelled "dependence."