Barack Hussein Obama..."My Muslim faith"

[AstroPax]

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[philippeR]

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He’s referring to how the people smearing him see him, not about his actual faith.

[trainnvain]

OMG!! His middle name is Hussein!!

[mrw]

he was a Muslim, converted to a white hating church and a Freudian slip brings him back to his roots.

McCain lacks the balls to call him on this and the press whitewashes his background for him.

to the Democrat Party he is Ra the Sun God descended from the heavens to lead them to victory.

To me he is a repugnant choice for President.

[philippeR]

he was a Muslim, converted to a white hating church and a Freudian slip brings him back to his roots.

McCain lacks the balls to call him on this and the press whitewashes his background for him.

to the Democrat Party he is Ra the Sun God descended from the heavens to lead them to victory.

To me he is a repugnant choice for President.

What would be wrong with being a muslim, mrw ?

[trainnvain]

A whitey hating Muslim? So what.
There's enough black hating white christians in DC to balance things out.
Let's mix it up! Whadda say?

[hutash]

And Biden is a papist, what will happen to this country should they be elected?:eek:











Just maybe there will be an improvement.

[mrw]

What would be wrong with being a muslim, mrw ?

because Muslims are waging a world wide war against the USA and other predominantly Christian countries. This country faces enough erosion from within without the added problems associated with a Muslim leaning President

[Adolf Allerbush]

he was a Muslim, converted to a white hating church and a Freudian slip brings him back to his roots.

McCain lacks the balls to call him on this and the press whitewashes his background for him.

to the Democrat Party he is Ra the Sun God descended from the heavens to lead them to victory.

To me he is a repugnant choice for President.

You really are a moron. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and gullible people are in the U.S. Did Rush tell you he was a Muslim growing up so you believe it? Do some studying of what BO is all about...generally speaking, the Muslim friends I have do not volunteer at Christian churches and they sure as shit are not community organizers for Christian churches. Stop being such a dolt and pull your head out of your ass. And do tell what exactly is wrong with being Muslim? I bet you don't know any Muslim people. I 100% garuntee you're a huge fucking pussy who is scared of dark skinned people and people who don't speak English. Stop being such a racist fuckstick.

[DharmaBum]

because Muslims are waging a world wide war against the USA and other predominantly Christian countries. This country faces enough erosion from within without the added problems associated with a Muslim leaning President

Did it occur to you that some of that erosion from within is from people like yourself who apparently choose to believe whatever some idiot radio host tells them? Or perhaps from people like Palin and the extreme religious views she brings to the table (God wants a pipeline...)? Get a fucking clue already because you and your ilk are taking this country down the drain.

[Steven S. Dallas]

The only real message I get from this thread is "Don't pay any attention to MRW, he's just a bigot who doesn't like paying taxes."

[philippeR]

because Muslims are waging a world wide war against the USA and other predominantly Christian countries. This country faces enough erosion from within without the added problems associated with a Muslim leaning President

Oh dear ! A world wide war ! That's good to know, thanks for the heads up.

[mrw]

You really are a moron. It never ceases to amaze me how stupid and gullible people are in the U.S. Did Rush tell you he was a Muslim growing up so you believe it? Do some studying of what BO is all about...generally speaking, the Muslim friends I have do not volunteer at Christian churches and they sure as shit are not community organizers for Christian churches. Stop being such a dolt and pull your head out of your ass. And do tell what exactly is wrong with being Muslim? I bet you don't know any Muslim people. I 100% garuntee you're a huge fucking pussy who is scared of dark skinned people and people who don't speak English. Stop being such a racist fuckstick.


100% garuntee huh? and you call Me a moron :biggrin:

I don't listen to Rush Limbo and really don't embrace a lot of what constitutes right wing politics.

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values. I myself am not a practicing Christian however, I feel most comfortable living in a country with those values and do not want to see that eroded. This country started down a bad road when prayer in schools was defeated. prior to that, we defined ourselves as a primarily Christian country and since then, the door has been opened and this has created all sorts of problems.

I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another. I have had the unfortunate experience to have spent significant time in more 3rd world shitholes than can imagine. I do not want that mindset to infect to this country.

However flush the sand out of your mangina. Your ilk is winning the war so relax and enjoy our trip down the shitter

[WWCD]

And do tell what exactly is wrong with being Muslim?

I'll tell you exactly what is wrong with being a Muslim.....

A buddy on my soccer team is Muslim and every year during Ramadan he plays like shit because he hasn't eaten all day. It really affects the team's performance.

[trainnvain]

I'll tell you exactly what is wrong with being a Muslim.....

A buddy on my soccer team is Muslim and every year during Ramadan he plays like shit because he hasn't eaten all day. It really affects the team's performance.

Road rage/driving habits at evening commute during Ramadan is horrendous because everyone is so fucking hungry.

[trainnvain]

100% garuntee huh? and you call Me a moron :biggrin:

I don't listen to Rush Limbo and really don't embrace a lot of what constitutes right wing politics.

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values. I myself am not a practicing Christian however, I feel most comfortable living in a country with those values and do not want to see that eroded. This country started down a bad road when prayer in schools was defeated. prior to that, we defined ourselves as a primarily Christian country and since then, the door has been opened and this has created all sorts of problems.

I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another. I have had the unfortunate experience to have spent significant time in more 3rd world shitholes than can imagine. I do not want that mindset to infect to this country.

However flush the sand out of your mangina. Your ilk is winning the war so relax and enjoy our trip down the shitter

You're not racist, just selfish.
What country did your family come from?

[Tippster]

I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.So in other words "Yes, I'm afraid of people who do not look and/or sound like me."

Most of these Third World immigrants you fear are Christian. They are single-handedly keeping Catholicism from dying out in the US - before the massive influx of Latinos all the parishes were hemmorhaging members.

Back in the day you seem so nostalgic for there were other people hating each other. This is no different. Ask the Irish what kind of Eden they found in the US around the turn of the 20th Century and if they were received with open arms. Ask the Italians the same.

[fez]

100% garuntee huh? and you call Me a moron :biggrin:

I don't listen to Rush Limbo and really don't embrace a lot of what constitutes right wing politics.

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values. I myself am not a practicing Christian however, I feel most comfortable living in a country with those values and do not want to see that eroded. This country started down a bad road when prayer in schools was defeated. prior to that, we defined ourselves as a primarily Christian country and since then, the door has been opened and this has created all sorts of problems.

i suggest you read the constitution of this country sometime rather than just wiping your ass with it like the rest of the repubs have done for the last 8 yrs.


I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another. I have had the unfortunate experience to have spent significant time in more 3rd world shitholes than can imagine. I do not want that mindset to infect to this country.

if you mean a third world style of government where the people are subjects rather than participants, i'm afraid you are right, and the repubs are leading the charge by eroding our civil liberties at every step.


However flush the sand out of your mangina. Your ilk is winning the war so relax and enjoy our trip down the shitter

the last 8 years have been one hell of a trip down the shitter, and i havent enjoyed it one bit.

since you seem to think the repubs are the only hope this country has, name me one thing, just one, about our country that is better today than it was 8 yrs ago. economy? schools? state of our infrastructure? our position as a leader in international politics? our ability to influence international crises? what you got?

we've had a republican president and for most of that time a republican legislature, and what one positive thing have they been able to accomplish? even when the repubs fucked up so bad they lost the legislature, they still had enough votes to prevent a veto override. and yet now the repubs are running as if they arent the party that has controlled our country's governement for the last 8 yrs.

well? you really think four more years of the same is going to improve anything.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'll tell you exactly what is wrong with being a Muslim.....

A buddy on my soccer team is Muslim and every year during Ramadan he plays like shit because he hasn't eaten all day. It really affects the team's performance.

True, the Muslim peop's I work with get a little tired during Ramadan.

MRW, I don't know if you're a pussy or not...and the 100% garuntee thing was a bit over the top...but it strikes me as particularly misinformed when you generalize about people you've never interacted with. Saying that all Muslims are waging a holy war agains the US is just stupid. The vast majority of Muslims are sick of being labled as terrorists and it's unfortunate that the small minority of Muslims creates this image that you are stuck on. I really hope you get to interact with some Muslim people at some point in your life...generally they're pretty good peops IMO.

You want people to be able to speak English in the US...fair enough. Personally I haven't had any issues with this...sure, there are some Mexican dudes that work on my family farm that don't speak perfect English but they are also in the process of learning the language and getting better all the time. Plus they're good people that work really really hard. I don't know about your personal experience with this...but to me it just hasn't been that big of an issue. And what is so wrong with learning about hispanic culture and maybe being able to speak more than one language? I hack my way through Spanish when I travel abroad...it's been my experience that the local people of whatever South or Central American country I'm travelling through appreciate the effort...

[philippeR]

They may tired during the day. But once the sun set, it's party time !
Someone should page Jer !

[hutash]

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values.

I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.



You are so damn right, I hate what THOSE PEOPLE, bring to this country.:cussing:





Things like Christianity, fuck 'em all.






And yes, this does make you a racist, just in case you weren't sure.

[Obstruction]

Glad Mr. MRW wasn't standing at the gate when my Daddy got off the boat from Scotland or my Mom's parents were making their way down from French Canada.

[grrrr]

MrW is the biggest douche ever to post on these forums. Ever.

You fucking racist pig. You don't belong in this country.

[365wp]

I get the feeling that Republicans would be fine with the healthcare system refusing to treat those who couldn't pay. The result would be people with broken legs in the streets.

And remove pollution restrictions, they're bad for the economy. Privatize the national parks, let the free market decide how best to care for them.

Starts to sound an awful lot like a third world country to me.

[Aussie_ripper]

Man, I sure hope MrW is an injun, cause otherwise he sure dosen't have a leg to stand on..





I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.



So tell me bub, how closely related were your parents? 2nd cousins? 1st cousins? Surely your ignorance and stupidity must have been somewhat genetic...




(no.500)

[13]

100% garuntee huh? and you call Me a moron :biggrin:

I don't listen to Rush Limbo and really don't embrace a lot of what constitutes right wing politics.

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values. I myself am not a practicing Christian however, I feel most comfortable living in a country with those values and do not want to see that eroded. This country started down a bad road when prayer in schools was defeated. prior to that, we defined ourselves as a primarily Christian country and since then, the door has been opened and this has created all sorts of problems.

I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another. I have had the unfortunate experience to have spent significant time in more 3rd world shitholes than can imagine. I do not want that mindset to infect to this country.

However flush the sand out of your mangina. Your ilk is winning the war so relax and enjoy our trip down the shitter

wow. just ... wow.

i'm gonna recommend you get out of your comfort zone more often and actually talk to these immigrants to find out what their stories are. i think you would be more impressed with them and their stories and them as people if you weren't so prejudiced against those that don't speak your native language.

i get the feeling that xenophobia is your most comfortable suit, though.

[mrw]

And yes, this does make you a racist, just in case you weren't sure.

QUOTE grrrrrr....You fucking racist pig. You don't belong in this country.

color has zero to do with my objections. I would equally resent a bunch of white Bolsheviks trying to remake this country in their image. (which might explain my objections to the Democrat Party as a whole)

I have indeed interacted with Muslims and most look "whiter" than me.

Lastly, I do not understand my perceived love of the Republican Party. I have previously stated my dislike of both crime families but that the Republican crime family will do me less harm than the Democrat Crime Family.

Ah well, mrw out

edit to add I have spent time in most corners of the world with the exception of the Far East. While traveling I respect the culture that I am in and attempt to live within their morals and values even if I do not agree with them. Were I to choose to immigrate to say Turkey, I would enter with the mindset that I am no longer living in the USA and would adapt myself to the means and mores of Turkey. I would most certainly not try to change Turkey into the USA. I expect the same courtesy of anyone who immigrates here.

[philippeR]

...white Bolsheviks ...

Good one.

[Steven S. Dallas]

color has zero to do with my objections. That's why I said "bigot" and not "racist."

[Adolf Allerbush]

QUOTE grrrrrr....You fucking racist pig. You don't belong in this country.

color has zero to do with my objections. I would equally resent a bunch of white Bolsheviks trying to remake this country in their image. (which might explain my objections to the Democrat Party as a whole)

I have indeed interacted with Muslims and most look "whiter" than me.

Lastly, I do not understand my perceived love of the Republican Party. I have previously stated my dislike of both crime families but that the Republican crime family will do me less harm than the Democrat Crime Family.

Ah well, mrw out

Dude, one of your problems is that you don't understand the meanings of the words "racism" and "biggotry". I'll give you a hint, it's not all about skin color.

[DharmaBum]

Lastly, I do not understand my perceived love of the Republican Party. I have previously stated my dislike of both crime families but that the Republican crime family will do me less harm than the Democrat Crime Family.

Well, when you espouse beliefs that pretty much match the republican party platform, past and present, it's a pretty good indication of which way your wind blows.


Ah well, mrw out of touch

There. Fixed that for you.

[The AD]

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another.

Yes, just like everyone has who's lived in the U.S. for the last 300 years, probably. Immigration to this country has been a fact of life since the first settlers arrived.

[fez]

Lastly, I do not understand my perceived love of the Republican Party

really?


I'd rather be waterboarding

seems you are marching to the beat of the repub drum to me.

[mrw]

Dude, one of your problems is that you don't understand the meanings of the words "racism" and "biggotry". I'll give you a hint, it's not all about skin color.

Dude, I was responding to the two calls of "racist" that I quoted

In the words of RR, "well, there you go again" :D

[mrw]

really?



seems you are marching to the beat of the repub drum to me.

waterborading, just a bit of humor seeing how that is labeled torture while nothing derogatory is said about beheadings and such

[fez]

waterborading, just a bit of humor seeing how that is labeled torture while nothing derogatory is said about beheadings and such

so you find torture humorous?

by the way, how about that one thing? one example of what the repubs have done to improve this country in the last 8 yrs?

[trainnvain]

edit to add I have spent time in most corners of the world with the exception of the Far East. While traveling I respect the culture that I am in and attempt to live within their morals and values even if I do not agree with them. Were I to choose to immigrate to say Turkey, I would enter with the mindset that I am no longer living in the USA and would adapt myself to the means and mores of Turkey. I would most certainly not try to change Turkey into the USA. I expect the same courtesy of anyone who immigrates here.

This should be re-read. What is complained about makes this country different.

[hutash]

And yes, this does make you a racist, just in case you weren't sure.

You are right, I should correct myself...And yes, this does make you a racist and a bigot, just in case you weren't sure.

Racism isn't just about skin color, but it is about painting whole groups of people with the same brush.

[The Dad]

Why would you resent non-English speaking people, mrw? Based on your posts, that would appear to be common ground.

[timvwcom]

I do believe that this is a primarily Christan country with Christian morals and values. I myself am not a practicing Christian however, I feel most comfortable living in a country with those values and do not want to see that eroded. This country started down a bad road when prayer in schools was defeated. prior to that, we defined ourselves as a primarily Christian country and since then, the door has been opened and this has created all sorts of problems.

:nonono2: The founding fathers wanted none of this...


"Question with boldness even the existence of a god." - Thomas Jefferson (letter to Peter Carr, 10 August 1787)

"As to religion, I hold it to be the indispensable duty of government to protect all conscientious protesters thereof, and I know of no other business government has to do therewith." - Thomas Paine (Common Sense, 1776.)

Every man "ought to be protected in worshipping the Deity according to the dictates of his own conscience." - George Washington (Letter to the United Baptist Churches in Virginia in May, 1789)

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine (The Age of Reason, 1794-1795.)

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." - James Madison (Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments, 1785.)

"Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782; from George Seldes, ed., The Great Quotations, Secaucus, New Jersey: Citadel Press, 1983, p. 363.)

"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." - (Treaty of Tripoli, 1797 - signed by President John Adams.)

Do you know the history of the phrase "In God We Trust"? Nothing to do with the founding of this country;


"According to the U.S. Dept. of Treasury, the motto 'In God We Trust' came about not at the time of the Constitutional Conventions, but due to increased pressures to recognize God on coins and money during the Civil War. In April 22, 1864, Congress passed an Amendment authorizing the motto to be placed on the two-cent coin. It appeared on various coins throughout the years, and appeared on paper money in 1957. The phrase was eventually printed on all paper bills, superseding the motto "E Pluribus Unum" (From Many, One) adopted by the Union in 1782."

Or about "One nation, under god..."? It's a McCarthy era addition;


"It's often forgotten that the pledge originally did not mention God. Francis Bellamy, who wrote the vow in 1892, intended it as an oath of patriotism, not faith. But during the Red Scare of the 1950s, America underwent a bout of religiosity. Many Americans argued that the US had to distinguish itself from the Soviet Union, not just through its democracy, freedoms, and capitalist economy - which one might think were distinctive enough - but also through its belief in religion, in contrast to the Soviet Union's official atheism..."In God We Trust" - already on coins - was added to all paper money and also became the country's official motto, replacing "E Pluribus Unum"... All of this was of dubious constitutionality even in 1954. After all, America's founders deliberately made no reference to God or religion in the Constitution except to forbid religious tests for office."


I am not afraid of dark skinned people but I resent non English speaking people who are here illegally and are overrunning this country with 3rd world ideals. In fact, I have a problem with legal 3rd world immigration to this country for the same reasons.

The population in this country is supposed to increase by over 300 million within the next 20-30 years. Most of that number will be 3rd world immigrants and their offspring. I DO NOT want what those folks bring with them. If that makes me racist so be it.

I have grown up in one kind of country and it appears i will be dieing in another. I have had the unfortunate experience to have spent significant time in more 3rd world shitholes than can imagine. I do not want that mindset to infect to this country.

I suppose the good news is that much of your type of bigotry will also die... the youth of today are typically much more open than the earlier generations. I hope you one day open your mind and find a way to truely enjoy the multi-cultural aspects of our nation... If not; +++++++++++vibes+++++++++++

[Cliff Huckable]

because Muslims are waging a world wide war against the USA and other predominantly Christian countries. This country faces enough erosion from within without the added problems associated with a Muslim leaning President

Where would you be without cheap talk radio? A lot less fearful and ignorant, I'm guessing.

[fez]

Where would you be without cheap talk radio? A lot less fearful and ignorant, I'm guessing.

less fearful maybe, i dont think talk radio causes ignorance, just thrives on it.

[Big Balls]

Fear? Look at human history as a whole. Look at any moment in human history. You'd be a fool to suggest we never have anything to fear. I've seen studies that say we actually live in the most peaceful moment in human history (if you think 1,000 soldiers dying a year in Iraq is bad you obviously know no history). We should realize that the relative peace and prospierity that we enjoy is very very uncommon and should constantly fear the moment when things take a change for the more common.

[Hutch]

constantly fear

Sounds great!

[mrw]

Fear? Look at human history as a whole. Look at any moment in human history. You'd be a fool to suggest we never have anything to fear. I've seen studies that say we actually live in the most peaceful moment in human history (if you think 1,000 soldiers dying a year in Iraq is bad you obviously know no history). We should realize that the relative peace and prospierity that we enjoy is very very uncommon and should constantly fear the moment when things take a change for the more common.

DANGER LUKE SKYWALKER, DANGER


there is no one more intolerant than those who preach tolerance

[fez]

DANGER LUKE SKYWALKER, DANGER


there is no one more intolerant than those who preach tolerance


i dont know about that, havent heard you preach tolerance and havent seen anyone here more intolerant than you.

by the way, still waiting.

just one thing better in the USA of sept 2008 than it was on January 20, 2001.

anything? come on, what ya got?

[The Dad]

just one thing better in the USA of sept 2008 than it was on January 20, 2001.

Availability of reverse camber, reverse sidecut skis.

[fez]

Availability of reverse camber, reverse sidecut skis.


haha, about time.

i've been asking republican'ts that question for months and haven't gotten anything but stammering or talk about how much worse it would have been if gore or kerry had been elected.

[mrw]

i dont know about that, havent heard you preach tolerance and havent seen anyone here more intolerant than you.

by the way, still waiting.

just one thing better in the USA of sept 2008 than it was on January 20, 2001.

anything? come on, what ya got?

Fer Christs sakes, I am not a fan of the Republicans they just cost me less than the Taxacrats. Sooooooooo.....,
2 things- Bushie's tax rebates gave me back some of my own money
and we have not had a terrorist attack within our borders since 9-11

things i don't like -- The department of Homeland Security -another bloated bureaucracy, overall growth in the bureaucracy, unchecked unfetered spending, neocon nation building- leave the fuckers alone, if they bother us, squash em like a cockroach. And 8 years in office and STILL no electrified fence between here and Mexico

[Jer]

He’s referring to how the people smearing him see him, not about his actual faith.

Now you only have to explain "what he really meant" to about 150,000,000 more Americans and Obama will have it all wrapped up.

I don't think Obama's some Hammas double-agent, but I do think "misspeaks" such as this are hilarious.

[TeleHoar]

DANGER LUKE SKYWALKER, DANGER



Jeez...if you are going to use geeky Sci-Fi quotes at least get them right.

That was WILL ROBINSON.


:wink:

[fez]

yeah, thank god we got afew hundy back to appease the morons from being concerned about their $31,000 share of our national debt.

but even with that money, you'd still have trouble affording to eat if all the mexicans were tossed out tomorrow.

and um, don't forget, 9/11/2001 comes after 1/20/2001.

[mrw]

so you find torture humorous?


No, I find humor in how the press defines torture as done by this country and how it excuses acts of barbarianism done by Muslims. Given their method of operations, I have absolutely no objections to waterboarding, pissing on the Koran or the use of chemicals to thwart their next adventure

[mrw]

yeah, thank god we got afew hundy back to appease the morons from being concerned about their $31,000 share of our national debt.

but even with that money, you'd still have trouble affording to eat if all the mexicans were tossed out tomorrow.

and um, don't forget, 9/11/2001 comes after 1/20/2001.

ok then no terrorist attacks within our borders since 1-20-01 :cool:

[fez]

ok then no terrorist attacks within our borders since 1-20-01 :cool:

whoa, you are dumb.

[mrw]

yeah, thank god we got afew hundy back to appease the morons from being concerned about their $31,000 share of our national debt.

but even with that money, you'd still have trouble affording to eat if all the mexicans were tossed out tomorrow.

and um, don't forget, 9/11/2001 comes after 1/20/2001.

Ah so, now it's my turn to act all indignant and say

YOU RACIST FUCK, IS THAT ALL YOU THINK MEXICANS ARE GOOD FOR?
so you can continue to eat cheap food and get fat on the backs of poor Mexicans only here to seek a better way of life? SHAME ON YOU report to the Democrat headquarters for re-training ( or get George Stephonoplis to requote you)

re the $31000 , I'm all for siezing the pensions of the President and Every member of Congress and using that money to pay down the debt.

[mrw]

whoa, you are dumb.

what ever dude i am firing away at you while structuring a deal somethings gotta give so bye bye

[fez]

No, I find humor in how the press defines torture as done by this country and how it excuses acts of barbarianism done by Muslims. Given their method of operations, I have absolutely no objections to waterboarding, pissing on the Koran or the use of chemicals to thwart their next adventure

first of all, contrary to what you seem to believe, islam and terrorism are not synonyms.

secondly, can you find an example of mainstream press excusing acts of barbarism?

the problem is that we are a nation of laws. when we piss all over our own constitution, the international treaties and conventions to which we have signed, we lower ourselves to be no better or different than those who hate us.

[lemon boy]

In this most important thread I'd like to point out that it actually isn't true to say there have been no terrorist attacks on US soil since 9/11.

[fez]

Ah so, now it's my turn to act all indignant and say

YOU RACIST FUCK, IS THAT ALL YOU THINK MEXICANS ARE GOOD FOR?
so you can continue to eat cheap food and get fat on the backs of poor Mexicans only here to seek a better way of life? SHAME ON YOU report to the Democrat headquarters for re-training ( or get George Stephonoplis to requote you)

your indignace rings hollow coming from someone who seems to think we need an electric fence at the border and should ship all foreigners home.

sorry, i dont see the racism in stating that shipping all illegals home tomorrow would have an enormous negative impact on our economy.


re the $31000 , I'm all for siezing the pensions of the President and Every member of Congress and using that money to pay down the debt.

drop in the bucket, and just a small drop at that.

[grrrr]

so bye bye

You keep saying that, so leave already. Preferably completely out of the country.

[StormTrooper]

I love how AstroPax only posted a video and this all happened.

MRW is now going to be__________ after this thread.

[The AD]

One of the things that always bugged me about the anti-immigration stance is the constant harping about the immigrants being unwilling to readily adapt to U.S. customs and the English language. Usually the rhetoric is that earlier immigrants adapted more quickly, but is this really true? Most major cities in the U.S. still have ethnic neighborhoods that have existed for a long time. These are places immigrants settled and carried over many of the customs from their homelands.

The U.S. is built on freedom. Immigrants who settle here should be able to live the way they choose to as long as they aren't violating any laws. If they don't like the laws, they can become U.S. citizens and help change the laws through the democratic process. There is no one "American" way to live and there shouldn't be.

[Rubicon]

This is unreal. With all the trouble he has had over this issue and he still makes a gaffe like this?

Is he going to be in negotiations with Putin and let it slip that we don't intend to do anything if Russia invades Ukraine?

Obama-teleprompter=gaffe machine.

[Jer]

One of the things that always bugged me about the anti-immigration stance is the constant harping about the immigrants being unwilling to readily adapt to U.S. customs and the English language. Usually the rhetoric is that earlier immigrants adapted more quickly, but is this really true? Most major cities in the U.S. still have ethnic neighborhoods that have existed for a long time. These are places immigrants settled and carried over many of the customs from their homelands.

The U.S. is built on freedom. Immigrants who settle here should be able to live the way they choose to as long as they aren't violating any laws. If they don't like the laws, they can become U.S. citizens and help change the laws through the democratic process. There is no one "American" way to live and there shouldn't be.

Pesonally, I think it's cool if immigrants don't ditch their old culture.

OTOH - if you move to a different country and refuse to learn the language and don't adapt to at least some of the culture, don't complian when you have a hard time of it.

I knew a few Hmong (Laotian "Boat People") guys growing up and you never even heard a word of thier native language unless you were in their home. They made a huge effort to "integrate" simply because they knew that was the path to success here.

[Cliff Huckable]

This is unreal. With all the trouble he has had over this issue and he still makes a gaffe like this?

Is he going to be in negotiations with Putin and let it slip that we don't intend to do anything if Russia invades Ukraine?

Obama-teleprompter=gaffe machine.

Uh...have you seen Palin without a teleprompter?!

Don't you think Obama made a gaffe because of the misinformation campaign that keeps this BS "issue" in the air?

btw, He could be a devil-worshipper and it wouldn't matter. The powers of the President are pretty limited. You'd need a whole party of militant Muslims to be elected to cause a problem of any sort. And in that case, would it really be a "problem", since, you know, they were elected...

...Oops sorry, didn't mean to flash forward to Election 2016.

[The AD]

OTOH - if you move to a different country and refuse to learn the language and don't adapt to at least some of the culture, don't complian when you have a hard time of it.

I'll agree with that.

[Rubicon]

One of the things that always bugged me about the anti-immigration stance is the constant harping about the immigrants being unwilling to readily adapt to U.S. customs and the English language. Usually the rhetoric is that earlier immigrants adapted more quickly, but is this really true? Most major cities in the U.S. still have ethnic neighborhoods that have existed for a long time. These are places immigrants settled and carried over many of the customs from their homelands.

The U.S. is built on freedom. Immigrants who settle here should be able to live the way they choose to as long as they aren't violating any laws. If they don't like the laws, they can become U.S. citizens and help change the laws through the democratic process. There is no one "American" way to live and there shouldn't be.

I agree that has bugged me as well. To the best of my knowledge it's always been the first or second generation born and raised here who assimilate. Not the immigrants themselves.


At the same time I don't begrudge mrw his beliefs and preferences and someone could easily hold views like his without being racist or bigoted. Any time a society has a new element added to it, the society is changed. If someone is fond of their society as it is and doesn't like the idea of it changing they are not going to look favorably on the agents of change, whoever or whatever they are. Disliking societal change in no way indicates racism or bigotry. Those who are racist and bigoted will feel similarly about immigrants as mrw, but for entirely different reasons.

I'm constantly perplexed as to why so many adults struggle with this kind of nuance, unless it's just convenient to gloss over things like this for political reasons.

[Jer]

Uh...have you seen Palin without a teleprompter?!


Yeah. Her speach at the Rep Convention.

'prompter went out halfway through.

[The AD]

Yeah. Her speach at the Rep Convention.

'prompter went out halfway through.

Not true. Allegedly there were problems with the prompter, but even Fox News isn't reporting it "went out."
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/04/palin-overcame-teleprompter-problems-missing-hard-copies/

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'm constantly perplexed as to why so many adults struggle with this kind of nuance, unless it's just convenient to gloss over things like this for political reasons.

But that's not really what MRW is doing. He's making broad sweeping generalizations about people he's never interacted with and has no qualified information on. He's doing this solely based on race or ethnicity. That to me is being bigoted and/or racist.

[Rubicon]

Uh...have you seen Palin without a teleprompter?!

No. Have you?


Don't you think Obama made a gaffe because of the misinformation campaign that keeps this BS "issue" in the air?

yesyesyes, I'm sure that must be it. It's obvious he is a victim of the vast right wind conspiracy to brainwash the American people. :rolleyes:


Could you point me to this "campaign" you mention? The only thing I have heard about this in the press comes from Obama himself, repeatedly.



btw, He could be a devil-worshipper and it wouldn't matter. The powers of the President are pretty limited. You'd need a whole party of militant Muslims to be elected to cause a problem of any sort. And in that case, would it really be a "problem", since, you know, they were elected...

You are preaching to the choir.


No, because I am not afraid of religion or people who subscribe to it. I feel the same way about activist religion as I do about activist government. It's something that bears close scrutiny and vigilance to make sure it stays within it's bounds and doesn't impose itself on others. But as long as proper boundaries are respected, there is no reason we can't coexist peacefully with it.

[The AD]

At the same time I don't begrudge mrw his beliefs and preferences and someone could easily hold views like his without being racist or bigoted. Any time a society has a new element added to it, the society is changed. If someone is fond of their society as it is and doesn't like the idea of it changing they are not going to look favorably on the agents of change, whoever or whatever they are. Disliking societal change in no way indicates racism or bigotry.

So, to play devil's advocate here, most (white) residents of the prebellum South didn't want the slavery status in the U.S. to change. Does this mean they weren't necessarily racist? The changes we're talking about here are caused by immigrants to this country, so I think it's a fair question.

[rideit]

Can any of you imagine how shitty our food options would be here if immigrants 'gave up their culture' at the border?

Holy fuck.

Pemmican and boiled sheep?

[Jer]

Can any of you imagine how shitty our food options would be here if immigrants 'gave up their culture' at the border?

This is #1 on the long list of reasons I think foriegn culture belongs in the US.

[PNWbrit]

Pesonally, I think it's cool if immigrants don't ditch their old culture.

Personally as an immigrant I don't give a fuck what you think is cool.

[Jer]

Personally as an immigrant I don't give a fuck what you think is cool.

Personally, I don't give a fuck that you don't give a fuck.

That's why I took the time to post about it.

'Cause I don't give a fuck.



Man, you sure suck at this.

[Rubicon]

So, to play devil's advocate here, most (white) residents of the prebellum South didn't want the slavery status in the U.S. to change. Does this mean they weren't necessarily racist? The changes we're talking about here are caused by immigrants to this country, so I think it's a fair question.


I think it's a perfect question for this discussion, because in the antebellum South we have reason to believe, apart from their resistance to societal change, that the whites held racist beliefs-their support of slavery. There was a resistance to societal change and expressions of racism.

Those with racist beliefs will almost always resist societal change but it is possible to resist societal change with out having racist motivations.

[Dantheman]

No, I find humor in how the press defines torture as done by this country and how it excuses acts of barbarianism done by Muslims. Given their method of operations, I have absolutely no objections to waterboarding, pissing on the Koran or the use of chemicals to thwart their next adventure

Translation--"They do fucked up shit, so I am fine with us doing fucked up shit."

Astonishing ignorance.

[Jer]

Translation--"They do fucked up shit, so I am fine with us doing fucked up shit."

Astonishing ignorance.

mrw's fine with the US using electrocution, dismemberment and hot irons to interrogate prisoners??

That cruel, heartless bastard!!!!


FUCK YOU, MRW!!!:the_finge:FIREdevil:the_finge:the_finge

[hutash]

just one thing better in the USA of sept 2008 than it was on January 20, 2001.

anything? come on, what ya got?




Availability of reverse camber, reverse sidecut skis.

So if GWB is responsible for reverse camber, reverse side cut skis, then we need to fuckin' elect Splat as the next POTUS, those Brokers are enough to earn my vote.

[Jer]

Well, I guess Kieth O'Meara gets my vote then.

[P_McPoser]

See guys, MRW is who I was talking about when I said "Simple, Middle American People."

[Rubicon]

But that's not really what MRW is doing. He's making broad sweeping generalizations about people he's never interacted with and has no qualified information on. He's doing this solely based on race or ethnicity.

Do you have any reasons to believe he has no qualified information on these people, and has never interacted with them? Just curious.

mrw may be a raging racist for all I know. But if there is anything in his posts to indicate that I must have missed it.

[Jer]

Do you have any reasons to believe he has no qualified information on these people, and has never interacted with them?

If it is in his posts I must have missed it.

Assbush is just making some more broad, sweeping generalizations..

[Adolf Allerbush]

Do you have any reasons to believe he has no qualified information on these people, and has never interacted with them? Just curious.

mrw may be a raging racist for all I know. But if there is anything in his posts to indicate that I must have missed it.



he was a Muslim, converted to a white hating church and a Freudian slip brings him back to his roots..

Assumption based off of his name...just to mention one...and I doubt he's interacted with BO...although I could be wrong.

His generalized comment bout immigrants not being able to speak English...then people like PNWbrit point out that in fact there are quite a lot of immigrants that speak English.

Now maybe I'm reading too much into his posts?


Jer, what generalizations am I making besides responding to things written here by others?

[Jer]

Jer, what generalizations am I making besides responding to things written here by others?

What generalizations do you think you're making?

[Rubicon]

Assumption based off of his name...


As a child, Obama crossed a cultural divide in Indonesia
By Paul Watson, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
March 15, 2007
JAKARTA, Indonesia -- As a boy in Indonesia, Barack Obama crisscrossed the religious divide. At the local primary school, he prayed in thanks to a Catholic saint. In the neighborhood mosque, he bowed to Allah.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-obamachildhood15-2007mar15,0,6230642.story

There are assumptions being made here, but I don't think mrw is the one making them. :wink:


His generalized comment bout immigrants not being able to speak English...

Now maybe I'm reading too much into his posts?


I think he fits a stereotype that was useful in the past, but is now a hindrance to social progress. If we are not going to accept each person as he is and instead, stick him into a box and label him based on words or sentiments which remind us of something we don't like, then we need more boxes to put people in and more labels than the ones we are used to using because they are too broad and general to be useful.

Should we just delete xenophobia from the lexicon and replace it with racist? mrw sounds a little more xenophobic than racist to me but what the hell, it's close enough and it has the added benefit of a little extra kick when you accuse someone of it. :biggrin:

[The Dad]

Can any of you imagine how shitty our food options would be here if immigrants 'gave up their culture' at the border?


This is #1 on the long list of reasons I think foriegn culture belongs in the US.
And it's also my theory for the origin of the British Empire -- they had to find something edible.

[DharmaBum]

Can any of you imagine how shitty our food options would be here if immigrants 'gave up their culture' at the border?

Holy fuck.

Pemmican and boiled sheep?

Food? How about music, art, literature, scientific knowledge (think of how many medical compounds have been derived from cultural medicinal practice, for example). The list goes on....

[The Dad]

Biologists call it "hybrid vigor."

[splat]

If things don't change, we'll have to eat that bread with dead flies in it like they do in Baghdad, France.