Meet The Press interview with John McCain

[str8line]

He was short on specifics but had strong thoughts on an inclusive presidency that incorporates both parties and uses the people that are right for the job regardless of political motivation. High talk, but once again he seems sincere in his beliefs. Whether he could actually accomplish this would be interesting.

McCain also once again took his party and Congress in general to task for its cronyism, catering to special interests and insular behaviour. He was also courteous towards Obama even though he called into question Obama's judgement on things like the "surge" and a couple of other issues that I forget, and he called Obama out on never challenging his own party.

The tone of this final post-convention run to the election is being set right now and it looks like these two candidates just might take the high road and primarily focus on the issues, which hopefully will come to the forefront soon.

Bob Schiffer used a quote that the primary function of the VP is to be ready to serve as POTUS and that has people concerned about Palin as his pick. McCain vigorously defended her ability to do that, but I'm really thinking as more people measure her background and abilities she will become a hindrance to his election. Of course we have just started to get an idea of her strengths and she could still surprise.

[Vets]

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/topguniceman.JPG

[Jer]

Bob Schiffer used a quote that the primary function of the VP is to be ready to serve as POTUS and that that has people concerned about Palin as his pick. McCain vigorously defended her ability to do that, but I'm really thinking as more people measure her background and abilities she will become a hindrance to his election. Of course we have just started to get an idea of her strengths and she could still surprise.

I don't know. There's only two months to go. Obama managed to hoodwink everybody for almost a year. I think the Reps can manage for 60 more days.

[Cliff Huckable]

He was short on specifics but had strong thoughts on an inclusive presidency that incorporates both parties and uses the people that are right for the job regardless of political motivation. High talk, but once again he seems sincere in his beliefs.

"He didn't say anything meaningful but he seems like a nice man."
:eek::nonono2::eek::nonono2:

John McCain is the least sincere man in DC. That's his greatest accomplishment.

[neck beard]

Bob Schiffer used a quote that the primary function of the VP is to be ready to serve as POTUS and that has people concerned about Palin as his pick. McCain vigorously defended her ability to do that,

Impossible: how can she be the leader of the Free World if she has never even been to it? (And Americans who quote Canada as international travel need a reality check).

[axebiker]

Impossible: how can she be the leader of the Free World if she has never even been to it? (And Americans who quote Canada as international travel need a reality check).

Can you STFU about her already? I think everyone gets the fact you don't like her, but here's a news flash for you -- you live on the other side of the world and you can't vote here anyway. :biggrin:

[neck beard]

...but the Chinese can vote by dumping your debt. Don't be so cocksure about how the people on the otherside of the world can't 'vote'. In the end all a great nation may be left with is Sarah Palin and more bombs than anyone else. That isnt leading.

[hutash]

The point is not whether some one like Palin or not, but whether she can lead. McCain pretty didn't answer the question, but went off on how popular she is. Being popular, and being like may get you elected in this country, which is a sad statement about our system, but it doesn't mean you can lead.

Palin is not a leader, at least not at the level she needs to be. It looks like McCain has committed her to be interviewed on "Meet the Press". Schiffer even signed off that he looks forward to interviewing her next weekend. That will be worth watching.

McCain's interview was pretty lackadaisical. It was certainly better then his RNC speech, but still pretty weak on issues, and how he intends to deal with them. Obama's and Biden's interviews were much better, and kept much more to the point. They had answers and some specifics. Brokaw did the best job of interviewing, Schiffer was to scripted (probably a requirement for the interview,) and Stephenopolis sp?, just seemed a little hostile, but Obama handled it well and stayed on topic.

As for you guys who are blasting Hohes, I think you are way off base. I am always amazed how much more aware people who live outside the US are about our politics. They are very often much, much more aware of what is going on the the vast majority of Americans. I don't just mean the typical yokel that thinks Palin is the greatest candidate since George Washington, but even more so then informed Americans. You don't need to travel to every country in the world, but getting outside of Alaska once and awhile would be nice. The only president less traveled the Palin is GWB, and we all no what a failure his foreign polocy is.

[axebiker]

As for you guys who are blasting Hohes, I think you are way off base.

Nah. Every time her name is mentioned, he says the same damn thing again...and again...and again...and again. Hence the "STFU, I f'ing get it already"...

I have plenty room left on my ignore list though.

[axebiker]

...but the Chinese can vote by dumping your debt.

I think even YOU are smarter than that. As the US economy goes, so does the world's, and I'm NOT saying that is a good thing either. A collapse in the US is devastating worldwide. I would bet Japan has felt the pinch as well.


That isnt leading.

Japan is free to step up any time! Take over as you see fit - and open YOUR checkbook while you're at it.

[neck beard]

I like the way you have yourself convinced that I am Mr Dumb and you are Mr Smarter.

A collapse of the US economy is nowhere near as devastating today as it was 10 years ago. This is evidenced by the fact that the US economy has already started to collapse and whilst the world is weak right now, it isn't falling to pieces as a result.

ps - You might not understand this, but just because I live in a nation does not mean I am a citizen of it. Your 'how about Japan step up...' shots are wasted on me. I just live here. And yes, it is possible to live in a foreign country without being there as part of your home country's military.

[splat]

When Palin was born in Sandpoint, I lived there. Population was about 3,500 with another 3,000 on the outskirts. Almost the same as Wasilla. The Mayor's name was Floyd Gray. He ran the movie theater. Nice guy, though I wouldn't say he was qualified to run the country. But hey, I'm sure taking tickets and popping popcorn is very similar to making the call whether or not we engage in WWIII. He could have drawn on that experience and applied it to the international stage. I mean, movie theaters have stages, right?

[Tippster]

Can you guys get your hosts/shows straight? Bob Schieffer hosts "Face the Nation" on CBS, and Tom Brokaw is the host of "Meet the Press" on NBC. Who is getting the damn interview?

Here's what Reuters is saying:
McCain adviser Mark Salter said later on Sunday that Palin had agreed to a series of interviews with national media, likely starting on Thursday or Friday, and beginning with Charlie Gibson of ABC.http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0733023520080907

[axebiker]

I like the way you have yourself convinced that I am Mr Dumb and you are Mr Smarter.

A collapse of the US economy is nowhere near as devastating today as it was 10 years ago. This is evidenced by the fact that the US economy has already started to collapse and whilst the world is weak right now, it isn't falling to pieces as a result.

ps - You might not understand this, but just because I live in a nation does not mean I am a citizen of it. Your 'how about Japan step up...' shots are wasted on me. I just live here. And yes, it is possible to live in a foreign country without being there as part of your home country's military.

1. You aren't dumb. But your blind hatred of Palin is really getting old and kinda making you a tool in my eyes. If I posted how much I think Barack is a sham in every thread his name came up in, I think you would agree that it would start to get old as well.

2. The reason the collapse isn't as bad as 10 years ago is fairly simple - the government wasn't bailing everyone out then - at least not to the extent it is now. This mortgage thing is HUDGE!!! Don't fool yourself into thinking that they stepped in simply for "socialist" reasons as you put it. If the biggest mortgage lenders in the world go under (and nobody steps in to "save it"), I shudder to think of the downstream effects. Every property any foreign investor owned or had in mortgage would be worthless.

3. Sorry for the assumption of you citizenry.

[philippeR]

I think even YOU are smarter than that. As the US economy goes, so does the world's, and I'm NOT saying that is a good thing either. A collapse in the US is devastating worldwide.

And this why the rest of the world is interested in the US election. Even if we don't vote, we have an opinion. For free.

[schindlerpiste]

Str8, great post. I think that you hit the nail on the head...re: Palin. So did McCain...re: Obama. It should be interesting. In my mind, the question becomes: Do we not for for McCain, because of his VP choice? Of course, this is not the only question, as the foreseen deficit under both administrations also raises questions.

People vote on different issues. I'm simple. I vote based upon my beliefs on the following issues, no more; no less:
1) The safety of the citizens of this country
2) The prosperity of Americans
3) Healthcare in America
4) Education in America
5) Americans' role in peace around the world
6) The environment.

I don't vote on issues such as gay rights, abortion, religion, death penalty, guns or immigration. These things seem to work themselves out, anyway. Right or wrong, that's just me.

[AstroPax]

(And Americans who quote Canada as international travel need a reality check).

Are you implying that Gov Palin has never traveled internationally?

As Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, she traveled to Bahrain, Iraq, and Europe to visit her deployed troops. This was long before Obama visited any troops...and before Obama canceled a visit to wounded troops because he wouldn't get any press coverage from it.

Obama doesn't give a rats ass about anyone except himself, and maybe his fellow corrupt Chicago political buddies.

John McCain & Sarah Palin Visit Troops:

nUNBy3hpNBM

[str8line]

Can you guys get your hosts/shows straight? Bob Schieffer hosts "Face the Nation" on CBS, and Tom Brokaw is the host of "Meet the Press" on NBC. Who is getting the damn interview?

Here's what Reuters is saying: http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0733023520080907

Oops. Yup, the interview with McCain was on Face The Nation.

[Tippster]

Maybe ABC needs to start a show called Face the Press to Meet the Nation. Then we'd be really cornfused.

[Steven S. Dallas]

I don't vote on issues such as gay rights, abortion, religion, death penalty, guns or immigration. So the fact that the next administration will likely get to appoint two, maybe three, Supreme Court justices isn't of interest to you?

One of the things I like least about McCain is that I have no idea what he's going to do about a lot of the issues you mentioned. He says stuff, but he's recanted a lot of previous positions. He clearly went more party orthodox in the last 4-5 years, will he stay there? Or, if he's elected and no longer beholden to the people who promised him support, will he change his colors again and revert to his earlier positions?

[schindlerpiste]

Right now, there are 4 liberals on the Supreme Court. Two (Souter and Stevens), were appointed by republicans (Bush and Ford). The Supreme Court has a way of working things out. McCain claims to strive for bipartisanship. People seem to think that he is altruistic. I think that I would trust his picks more than Obamas.

[lemon boy]

Right now, there are 4 liberals on the Supreme Court. Two (Souter and Stevens), were appointed by republicans (Bush and Ford). The Supreme Court has a way of working things out. McCain claims to strive for bipartisanship. People seem to think that he is altruistic. I think that I would trust his picks more than Obamas.

You guys crack me up.

Obama's not experienced.

But in this one area where Obama's experience hands down no questions asked just fucking slaughter's McCain's...you'd trust McCain.

:rolleyes2:rolleyes2:rolleyes2

tip: experience doesn't matter it's all about policy.
tip^2: when I heckle about experience I'm heckling hypocrisy, not the candidate's actual experience or lack thereof.

[Big Balls]

Yeah like McCain is going to be able to appoint extremists to the bench (even if he wanted to) while Dems have veto proof majorities in both houses. I can't believe it doesn't scare the shit out of any people having one party in charge of EVERYTHING. You'd think these last 8 years we would have learned something. Any time either party has complete control it is always a fucking disaster.

[Cliff Huckable]

Are you implying that Gov Palin has never traveled internationally?

As Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, she traveled to Bahrain, Iraq, and Europe to visit her deployed troops. This was long before Obama visited any troops...and before Obama canceled a visit to wounded troops because he wouldn't get any press coverage from it.

Obama doesn't give a rats ass about anyone except himself, and maybe his fellow corrupt Chicago political buddies.

John McCain & Sarah Palin Visit Troops:

nUNBy3hpNBM

newsflash:
When people speak about having "seen the world" they

DO
NOT
MEAN
visiting your troops
OVERSEAS!
They want to know that you've met the citizens of the country, that you understand something of other cultures, that you are "worldly", etc. Visiting US troops is even less an immersion in another country/culture than going to eating at McDonald's and staying at an American hotel.

[BmillsSkier]

"He didn't say anything meaningful but he seems like a nice man."
:eek::nonono2::eek::nonono2:

John McCain is the least sincere man in DC. That's his greatest accomplishment.

You've clearly never been to Washington DC.

Wait, have you ever left Canada?

Your posts must be in jest, because I have a really hard time believing that you're that dumb with the things you say. Either that or you really are a 13 year old.

Prove me wrong newschooler.

[axebiker]

newsflash:
When people speak about having "seen the world" they
DO
NOT
MEAN
visiting your troops
OVERSEAS!
They want to know that you've met the citizens of the country, that you understand something of other cultures, that you are "worldly", etc. Visiting US troops is even less an immersion in another country/culture than going to eating at McDonald's and staying at an American hotel.

So then by your logic, traveling all over the US should be equal to visiting about 4 states then, right? After all, we're all Americans. If you've been to one state, you've been to them all.

I don't see how traveling the world makes you a better VP prospect - that's what ambassadors are for. Running OUR country should be job #1, no? There's plenty people to take care of the rest of the world. Does being a tourist make you a better politician? I doubt all of Barry's trips were all diplomatic - he hasn't been a Senator long enough.

I'd be more interested in someone who takes the time to visit soldiers in a war zone than someone who goes to a neutral country where our war-wounded are staying and then decides not to go see them. They also tend to keep the diplomats out of the populace at large since it's maybe just a *little bit* of a security risk to send them out into public. BTW - although I was never deployed overseas, my unit did spend 2 years in Iraq. They had plenty civilian contacts on the base. It's quite possible that she may have met one or two. Just a thought.

[Big Balls]

Guys Europe is like the size of the South East. We have a couple states like Alaska and Texas that are bigger then all of Western Europe. So if you call visiting different little patches of dirt that they call countries in Europe as "international travel" then what is going from NY to CA? Or for that matter Anchorage to Nome? And if you are alluding to being exposed to diversity well I can find more diversity from street to street in New York City then I can visiing every single city in Europe.

[timvwcom]

Guys Europe is like the size of the South East. We have a couple states like Alaska and Texas that are bigger then all of Western Europe. So if you call visiting different little patches of dirt that they call countries in Europe as "international travel" then what is going from NY to CA? Or for that matter Anchorage to Nome? And if you are alluding to being exposed to diversity well I can find more diversity from street to street in New York City then I can visiing every single city in Europe.

Actually Europe (the "continent") is a little bigger than the United States INCLUDING Alaska and Hawaii... just thought YOU would want to know. :the_finge :FIREdevil

[art2d2]

Guys Europe is like the size of the South East. We have a couple states like Alaska and Texas that are bigger then all of Western Europe. So if you call visiting different little patches of dirt that they call countries in Europe as "international travel" then what is going from NY to CA? Or for that matter Anchorage to Nome? And if you are alluding to being exposed to diversity well I can find more diversity from street to street in New York City then I can visiing every single city in Europe.

Yeah! What could we possibly accomplish by getting to know the rest of the people on the planet? That is the lamest, most egocentric, myopic reason you could possibly use to cover the fact you are naive about the rest of the world. Is America bigger than Russia and China, too? Or just more important, therefore nullifying any reason to consort with those "other people taking up space on my planet"? Epic Fail.

[schindlerpiste]

Actually Europe (the "continent") is a little bigger than the United States INCLUDING Alaska and Hawaii... just thought YOU would want to know. :the_finge :FIREdevil


Look at the map.
http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm

[timvwcom]

Look at the map.
http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm

Ummm... Amateur map superimposing may cause objects to appear bigger than they do in the mirror.


Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe) covers about 10,180,000 square kilometres (3,930,000 sq mi) or 2% of the Earth's surface and about 6.8% of the planet's total land area.


At 3.79 million square miles (9.83 million km²) and with more than 300 million people, the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states) is the third or fourth largest country by total area, and third largest by land area and by population

Europe=3.93 million square miles > United States=3.79 million square miles

[Big Balls]

Look at the map.
http://goeurope.about.com/od/europeanmaps/l/bl-country-size-comparison-map.htm

So timvwcom, feel like an idiot now? Hell they don't even include Alaska as part of that map! And if you line up Italy with Florida it's exactly the size of SouthEast. Anymore geography lessons for us tim?....... Oh and art2d2 yes US is bigger then China and as I pointed out you can meet more people from different parts of the world in geographically tiny tiny tiny NYC then you can from ALL of Europe.

[Big Balls]

Nice try tim.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2147rank.html

[schindlerpiste]

In fairness to Tim, while the US is larger than the EU, Europe, as a whole the EU may encompass more square mileage than the USA. Who cares though?

[philippeR]

Guys Europe is like the size of the South East. We have a couple states like Alaska and Texas that are bigger then all of Western Europe. So if you call visiting different little patches of dirt that they call countries in Europe as "international travel" then what is going from NY to CA? Or for that matter Anchorage to Nome? And if you are alluding to being exposed to diversity well I can find more diversity from street to street in New York City then I can visiing every single city in Europe.

FKNA ! Are you for real ?

[schindlerpiste]

^^^^
That is pretty funny!

[timvwcom]

Are you implying that Gov Palin has never traveled internationally?

As Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, (see A) she traveled to Bahrain, Iraq, and Europe to visit her deployed troops (see B). This was long before Obama visited any troops... (see C) and before Obama canceled a visit to wounded troops because he wouldn't get any press coverage from it...

A) You do know that as the "Commander in Chief" of the Alaska National Guard she has NEVER issued a single order (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/51665.html)??? When the McCain spokesman was asked to name "one decision she has made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard"... "Just one?"... he couldn't.

B) Actually, she visited Kuwait for 2 days and Germany for a few hours... She has NEVER been to Iraq. And trying to describe a few hours in Germany as somehow giving her experience in/with "Europe" is actually quite funny! Good one... :D

C) Obama HAS been to Afganistan and Iraq twice... his first visit in January 2006 was more than a year and a half before Palin visited Kuwait. In fact "Obama has spent more time on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan than the current commander-in-chief President George W. Bush" (http://iowaindependent.com/5175/obama-has-spent-more-time-%E2%80%98on-the-ground%E2%80%99-in-iraq-and-afghanistan-than-bush)


I'd be more interested in someone who takes the time to visit soldiers in a war zone (see D) than someone who goes to a neutral country where our war-wounded are staying and then decides not to go see them. (see E)

D) Are you calling Germany or Kuwait the "war zone" here? How many troops have we lost in those areas? I think someone around here has used the term "words have meaning" recently? :nonono2:

E)As mentioned earlier, Obama has been to Iraq twice... during his more recent 2008 visit he had numerous meetings with troops including the military command. The truth about his change in schedule regards a stop to visit wounded troops in Germany on the way home during that visit is here (http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/snubbing_wounded_troops.html), should any of you know how to click a link.



It's still actually surprising to me how misinformed the Republican boosters always seem to be... either they are being hand feed garbage and don't know better, or are dirty lying bastards... I don't know which is worse?

[axebiker]

I need to grow my ignore list until after the election. This forum is like masturbating with a cheese grater.

[timvwcom]

In fairness to Tim, while the US is larger than the EU, Europe, as a whole the EU may encompass more square mileage than the USA. Who cares though?

SP... dude, seriously??? Did you even read MY post? Here it is again below for you... I'll even hightlight it to make it easy to find. I'm usually pretty careful to be precise. Note I clarified the discussion was regards the "continent". Good advice: It's usually best to not doubt me... I rarely post a "fact" unless I've google checked it first.


Actually Europe (the "continent") is a little bigger than the United States INCLUDING Alaska and Hawaii... just thought YOU would want to know. :the_finge :FIREdevil




So timvwcom, feel like an idiot now? Hell they don't even include Alaska as part of that map! And if you line up Italy with Florida it's exactly the size of SouthEast. Anymore geography lessons for us tim?....... Oh and art2d2 yes US is bigger then China and as I pointed out you can meet more people from different parts of the world in geographically tiny tiny tiny NYC then you can from ALL of Europe.

Surprising you didn't go back and delete this embarrassing post? Even after Schindler came back waffling... you still doubt me on this??? See my comments to Schindler above.


Nice try tim.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2147rank.html

HahHhahha ahahhhahdahhhaah... That's a list of COUNTRY sizes - doesn't even include CONTINENTS, and even better it uses square kilometers as the measuring units (duh, read column header next time)... and what does ANY of this have to do with OUR discussion???

I guess if you want to have the discussion in those measuring units, fine. I'll even use commas to look all international and stuff. And these same number were already in my earlier post BTW.

Europe=10,2 million square kilometers > United States=9,83 million square kilometers.

[Big Balls]

FKNA ! Are you for real ?

Yes. And FYI, pussy France is smaller then Texas and THREE times smaller then Alaska.

[axebiker]

SP... dude, seriously??? Did you even read MY post?

No. It hurts my eyes too much. :eek:



Europe=10,2 million square kilometers > United States=9,83 million square kilometers.

Why do you hate America so much? :tongue:

[schindlerpiste]

Tim: I was agreeing with you, and correcting BB. Didn't you read my post? You're always so argumentative. Typical....

[timvwcom]

Tim: I was agreeing with you, and correcting BB. Didn't you read my post? You're always so argumentative. Typical....

Sorry... I saw hedging in the EU vs Europe part. Yes, I am sometimes an asshat. Sorry! :redface:

[P_McPoser]

I like small pussy. Pussy france is small, eh?

[timvwcom]

Hey, for those who might still be curious after all the douchery on both sides here (including me), here is the most accurate map size comparison I could find (though Alaska is kinda skewed). I'll avoid labeling them and let the less informed among us guess which is the US and which is Europe;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e9/LocationEurope.png/800px-LocationEurope.png

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Location_United_States.svg/800px-Location_United_States.svg.png

[David Witherspoon]

John McCain is the least sincere man in DC. That's his greatest accomplishment.The least? In DC? Unpossible.

Though he has made a strong drive for that goal since 2006. I usedta think he was sorta sincere. I usedta think he'd make a decent President. Obviously better than Dubya, but that's damning with faint praise ... better than Kerry, then.

Then someone - musta been a Rovian acolyte? - ripped his backbone right out his ass and replaced it with cold mashed potatoes. Poor guy.

[philippeR]

Yes. And FYI, pussy France is smaller then Texas and THREE times smaller then Alaska.

Alaska must be more international then.

[P_McPoser]

France is just berber muslims with a few french people these days anyways.

[tarkman1]

Who the hell cares about size of the area? You don't govern land. You govern people.

According to wikipedia, Europe 2005 population - 784 million (~2.5x US)
According to US Census Bureau, US population - 305,100,239
According to US Census Bureau, world population - 6,722,321,259 (~22x US)

I've been to my fair share of places. There's a lot to be gained by living and traveling abroad. Just like you can't understand the sensation of skiing powder or getting barreled surfing without actually doing it, you can't get those experiences gained from being abroad from out of a book or by meeting a foreigner in NY City.

[Tippster]

Tim - you're including a whole bunch of Europe that is not part of the EU - Russia west of the Urals, Moldova, and Ukraine. Then again the moron who said it's the same size as the SE thinks the EU doesn't include Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, or Greece.

I honestly don't think that size really matters in this case, anyway. WTF is the point -- the woman has been to less than 10 States in her own damn country and didn't get a passport until that trip to Kuwait last year.

[Big Balls]

Tim - you're including a whole bunch of Europe that is not part of the EU - Russia west of the Urals, Moldova, and Ukraine. Then again the moron who said it's the same size as the SE thinks the EU doesn't include Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, or Greece.


Umm actually dude Western Europe does NOT include those states you just mentioned.

[Tippster]

Umm actually dude Western Europe does NOT include those states you just mentioned.

You are a Motherfucking Genius. Don't ever let anyone say different.

Tim was talking about EUROPE, not WESTERN EUROPE. You don't know the difference between the two - must be all that international exposure you got in NYC.

[timvwcom]

Tim - you're including a whole bunch of Europe that is not part of the EU - Russia west of the Urals, Moldova, and Ukraine. Then again the moron who said it's the same size as the SE thinks the EU doesn't include Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, or Greece.

There was no mention of the "EU" or "European Union" in any post or link until Schindlerpiste mentioned it later in #34 (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1987826&postcount=34). My response in #28 (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1987704&postcount=28) was obviously to Big Balls "Europe" in #27 (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1987692&postcount=27) (though "Europe" was also mentioned at #17 (http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1986190&postcount=17)). I was very careful to include the descriptor "continent" for any who cared in that initial post.

I have not commented on, nor have any interest in getting involved in a discussion about what "Western Europe" does or does not include... hell, we can't agree on which states are "Midwestern" here in my neck of the woods. No way you'll get everyone to agree on what is what in Western Europe; classical, cold war, etc, etc...

[Tippster]

Western Europe is an outdated concept - it has no meaning anymore with half the member states of the European Union being ex-"Eastern Bloc" countries. I skimmed over the posts (backwards, actually) and saw someone mention the EU, someone else mention the relative size of Europe, and thus thought our Large testicled friend was trying to say that the EU was the size of the Southeast, which you took umbrage to.

Yes, Europe is about the same size as the US. Much of Europe is not in the European Union.

Fair?

[timvwcom]

Western Europe is an outdated concept - it has no meaning anymore with half the member states of the European Union being ex-"Eastern Bloc" countries. I skimmed over the posts (backwards, actually) and saw someone mention the EU, someone else mention the relative size of Europe, and thus thought our Large testicled friend was trying to say that the EU was the size of the Southeast, which you took umbrage to.

Yes, Europe is about the same size as the US. Much of Europe is not in the European Union.

Fair?

Extremely so, thank you kind sir... party on!

[Vets]

Tim - you're including a whole bunch of Europe that is not part of the EU - Russia west of the Urals, Moldova, and Ukraine. Then again the moron who said it's the same size as the SE thinks the EU doesn't include Poland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Slovenia, Slovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, or Greece.

I honestly don't think that size really matters in this case, anyway. WTF is the point -- the woman has been to less than 10 States in her own damn country and didn't get a passport until that trip to Kuwait last year.

Tippster,
Yes, WTF is the point? Many are in support of Palin for only one reason and that is because she is considered a born again Christian. I became even more aware of this over the weekend. I was wearing an Obama t-shirt and was verbally assaulted/relentlessly preached to by a born again praising Palin. Don't worry, I held my own and lived to tell about it.
There may be something worth being aware of in terms of size mentality. The current administration has a Texan's view of bigger is better, etc. and Alaska is bigger than Texas.

[Tippster]

Seems like the Vagina Pander is working.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN097920080909

Oh, well. 4 more years, then we'll have a Hockey Mom for POTUS. Yay.

[timvwcom]

Remember this part of my earlier post?



A) You do know that as the "Commander in Chief" of the Alaska National Guard she has NEVER issued a single order (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/51665.html)??? When the McCain spokesman was asked to name "one decision she has made as commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard"... "Just one?"... he couldn't.

Well the Alaska National Guard "Adjutant-General" who confimed last week that Sarah Palin has never issued an order to the Alaska National Guard in her 18 months as their "commander-in-chief" and that her post was largely ceremonial...

...surprisingly "reversed course" later in an interview with Fox News... and has now just been magically promoted to "Lieutenant General" (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Palin_promotes_general_after_he_changes_0909.html) . I'm positive it's just a pleasant coincidence.

[hutash]

See, it shows what a strong leader she is. She doesn't hesitate to promote people who further her own self interests.


Oh wait, that show what a self serving farce she is...sorry my bad.

[GordonShumway]

When Palin was born in Sandpoint, I lived there. Population was about 3,500 with another 3,000 on the outskirts. Almost the same as Wasilla. The Mayor's name was Floyd Gray. He ran the movie theater. Nice guy, though I wouldn't say he was qualified to run the country. But hey, I'm sure taking tickets and popping popcorn is very similar to making the call whether or not we engage in WWIII. He could have drawn on that experience and applied it to the international stage. I mean, movie theaters have stages, right?

Not to mention that several movies take place in international locations, or deal with important international topics... don't sell him short, he already has tons of foreign policy experience :rolleyes2

[Vets]

Not to mention that several movies take place in international locations, or deal with important international topics... don't sell him short, he already has tons of foreign policy experience :rolleyes2

Did any of the movies have subtitles?
That counts for a lot too.

[Mathematics]

McCain on Meet the Press...when Russert ran the show.

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much more entertaining.