If Obama were a Republican, would you still vote for him?

[ObamasWart]

Assuming you are a Democrat that is in full support of Obama, would you still vote for him if he were a Republican? How about if McCain were a Democrat?

[Jer]

I'd vote for neither if they were either. I think. Man - I'm cunfoozed.

[R. Ski Ermey]

Assuming you are a Democrat that is in full support of Obama, would you still vote for him if he were a Republican? How about if McCain were a Democrat?

The depths of your inanity are an embarrassment to warts everywhere.

[toast2266]

I don't get the question - Are you asking if a conservative were black, would I vote for him, or are you asking if Obama was exactly the same, but (somehow) was labeled as a Republican, would I vote for him?

[Sensisnow]

or are you asking if Obama was exactly the same, but (somehow) was labeled as a Republican, would I vote for him?

This is how I interpreted the question. I also assumed that this is based on Obama and his policy alone and none of the other usual GOP bullshit.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I'm not registered dem so I can't vote in this...plus it's a stupid question.

[ObamasWart]

I don't get the question - Are you asking if a conservative were black, would I vote for him, or are you asking if Obama was exactly the same, but (somehow) was labeled as a Republican, would I vote for him?

I just want to know if people are voting for him based on his policies or his character? Or if they are just voting for him because he isn't a Republican.

[hutash]

I won't vote for a dem or repub, but I will vote for the person who i think is best for the job. Sometimes that is a dem, sometimes a repub. I won't vote for a party, unless it is a party with lots of hookers and blow.

[axebiker]

I don't agree with his policy, no matter how well-spoken he is about it. So no, I wouldn't vote for him. I'm not really wild about McCain's policies either. I'm hoping his running mate will balance him out.

[toast2266]

gotcha.
I like Obama, but (pre Palin) I liked McCain better than Hillary; Obama has a lot of ideas that I agree with, and I think he generally has a good character and is a natural leader. McCain has less ideas that I agree with, but I also think that he would be a good leader and be better at choosing a reasonable option that all sides could live with than Hillary (or any number of other candidates - Rudy, Mitt, etc.)

Palin is fucking batshit though.

[DharmaBum]

I voted for a republican once. He was indicted and convicted 2 years later. I generally try not to vote the party, even wrote in Nader in 2000. But I live in Idaho, where many of the republicans are stuck in the values of 1947. It's just too hard to vote for them.

[iceman]

If Hitler was Gandhi, would you pay him to cut your grass?

[axebiker]

If Hitler was Gandhi, would you pay him to cut your grass?

No - my mower weighs more than he did.

[Cliff Huckable]

I don't agree with his policy, no matter how well-spoken he is about it. So no, I wouldn't vote for him. I'm not really wild about McCain's policies either. I'm hoping his running mate will balance him out.

Wow. Really?

[axebiker]

Wow. Really?

Yeah - really.

[neck beard]

Yeah - really.

Havn't you heard?

[axebiker]

Havn't you heard?

Really -- is there NOTHING going on in the Land of the Rising Sun?

[Steven S. Dallas]

Yeah - really. On which policies, exactly, are you hoping she "balance[s] him out"?

[axebiker]

On which policies, exactly, are you hoping she "balance[s] him out"?

I'm just hoping that she will keep his tendancy to flop on issues to a minimum. I want to know that there is someone there to keep the train on the tracks, as McCain has a propensity to get derailed from time to time. She seems to be a stronger fiscal conservative (THIS IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE) than he has been in the past. I'm hoping that she will be a strong voice in keeping the "tax & burn" mentality of the last administration to a minimum.

The Dems aren't going to reel in spending. They're going to shift it. My taxes will NOT go down, and I'm getting taxed to death by both the State and the Fed. The Dems took over in MN, and despite all their big promises, everything has gotten out of control on the tax front, but by God, we're going to get a train to nowhere and more funding for "the arts"... How about a little property tax relief??? My property taxes have gone up 29.8, 27.0, 21.8, and 17.8% over the last 4 years. My property value - I've lost $20K+ in equity in the last two years. But the local government is spending like there's no end to the money. I want to see some fiscal conservatism. Period. I don't give a damn about the social issues - abortion, religion, etc. Just get out of my fucking checkbook. :mad:

[Buster Highmen]

Assuming you are a Democrat that is in full support of Obama, would you still vote for him if he were a Republican? How about if McCain were a Democrat?
I don't qualify for your conditions. Honestly, you clowns treat this more like the prom queen vote than a presidential election.

The point for me is the economy. I don't want to pay taxes and I want a small efficient government. But I do not want a ballooning deficit.

McCain's tax plan puts us $600 BILLION further in debt. Obama's pays it back $700 billion. And that plan is based on redistributing the wealth in the country via taxes from the top 2% while lowering the taxes for the middle class. The middle class buys shit too.

Another factor is that I want a guy in there who believes that the governement can work. Too many Americans are fucking sad sallys about their government. Give up on it and it will fail and I'd rather that it didn't fail.

The Republicans used to be fiscally responsible, but that is clearly not a part of the party platform. Nor is it part of McCain's.

[ObamasWart]

The point for me is the economy. I don't want to pay taxes and I want a small efficient government. But I do not want a ballooning deficit.

McCain's tax plan puts us $600 BILLION further in debt. Obama's pays it back $700 billion. And that plan is based on redistributing the wealth in the country via taxes from the top 2% while lowering the taxes for the middle class. The middle class buys shit too.


You say its about the economy and lower taxes, but I can't figure out why then you are on Obama's side?

How do you think Obama is going to pay back the debt? By raising taxes!

The upper 2% are the ones paying your paychecks, and are keeping the economy alive by pumping so much money through it. If you tax the shit out of them and take their money, then who is going be putting money back into the economy? The middle class puts their money in savings, and if you lower taxes, they are just going to put more in savings. The upper 2% spends it. If you keep their taxes low, they are going to spend more, which is good for the economy.

Redistribution of wealth is an outmoded idea. It's a temporary fix, and it doesn't work. It's simply a ploy to get votes, because it alienates the upper 2% as the "bad guy", and gets the other 98% on the side of the politician. In the long run, if you take away money from the rich, everyone loses.

[Dirty Hoar]

You say its about the economy and lower taxes, but I can't figure out why then you are on Obama's side?

How do you think Obama is going to pay back the debt? By raising taxes!

The upper 2% are the ones paying your paychecks, and are keeping the economy alive by pumping so much money through it. If you tax the shit out of them and take their money, then who is going be putting money back into the economy? The middle class puts their money in savings, and if you lower taxes, they are just going to put more in savings. The upper 2% spends it. If you keep their taxes low, they are going to spend more, which is good for the economy.

Redistribution of wealth is an outmoded idea. It's a temporary fix, and it doesn't work. It's simply a ploy to get votes, because it alienates the upper 2% as the "bad guy", and gets the other 98% on the side of the politician. In the long run, if you take away money from the rich, everyone loses.

I'm sorry, but you've got it all backwards. "Trickle down" theory didn't work. That's what you are describing. And if you think 2% of the consumers are floating the economy you are misinformed and/or ingnorant. (And I'm just using 2% because that's what you used.)

So if you're conclusion was in anyway feasable it would be way too risky. Betting on the elite 2% is putting all your eggs in a single basket. And guess what? In a sense, that's what we have done. And where are we? Corruption... greed... FAILURE.

Sorry, but wake up. Your elite 2% has screwed the rest of us over. They've sold us out. They have caused an uproar. The people are no longer willing to sit on the sidelines. Stupidity is no longer in fashion.

[Buster Highmen]

You say its about the economy and lower taxes, but I can't figure out why then you are on Obama's side?

How do you think Obama is going to pay back the debt? By raising taxes!

Please take the time to read his tax plan.



The upper 2% are the ones paying your paychecks, and are keeping the economy alive by pumping so much money through it.

No, they're not paying my paycheck. And they don't keep the economy alive that way. The Gini index clearly shows they are keeping more and more of it. This is the usual fallacious argument used and it's simply not true. But the wealthy manage to manipulate the population by repeating this lie over and over.


If you tax the shit out of them and take their money, then who is going be putting money back into the economy? The middle class puts their money in savings, and if you lower taxes, they are just going to put more in savings. The upper 2% spends it. If you keep their taxes low, they are going to spend more, which is good for the economy.

If what you claim is true, why is the economy in the shitter now? Anyway, what you're claiming is simply not true. The middle class supports the economy.


Redistribution of wealth is an outmoded idea. It's a temporary fix, and it doesn't work. It's simply a ploy to get votes, because it alienates the upper 2% as the "bad guy", and gets the other 98% on the side of the politician. In the long run, if you take away money from the rich, everyone loses.
Now you're just blithering platitudes behind your alias.

It's a vapid claim that redistribution of wealth is outmoded with nothing to back it up. History shows what happens when wealth is to condensed.

The wealthy are not some magnanimous group showering their wealth on the rest. The wealthy keep the money, that's exactly what the Gini index says.

I talking with facts and data and you're just spewing empty jargon. Plus it shows that the original question is not really the point of the post, another shady shitbag troll hiding behind some fake agenda.

[PNWbrit]

B - you should teach a basic politics, history and economics class for challenged kinder-gardeners.

You have a natural gift for it.

[Buster Highmen]

I'm just hoping that she will keep his tendancy to flop on issues to a minimum. I want to know that there is someone there to keep the train on the tracks, as McCain has a propensity to get derailed from time to time. She seems to be a stronger fiscal conservative (THIS IS MY BIGGEST ISSUE) than he has been in the past. I'm hoping that she will be a strong voice in keeping the "tax & burn" mentality of the last administration to a minimum.

The Dems aren't going to reel in spending. They're going to shift it. My taxes will NOT go down, and I'm getting taxed to death by both the State and the Fed. The Dems took over in MN, and despite all their big promises, everything has gotten out of control on the tax front, but by God, we're going to get a train to nowhere and more funding for "the arts"... How about a little property tax relief??? My property taxes have gone up 29.8, 27.0, 21.8, and 17.8% over the last 4 years. My property value - I've lost $20K+ in equity in the last two years. But the local government is spending like there's no end to the money. I want to see some fiscal conservatism. Period. I don't give a damn about the social issues - abortion, religion, etc. Just get out of my fucking checkbook. :mad:
McCain's plan will reduce your taxes and increase the national debt to the tune of $600 BILLION.
Obama's plan will reduce your taxes MORE and decrease the national debt by $700 BILLION.

If you're reall a fiscal conservative like I am, you don't want your government wasting money paying off interest like some fucking loser with a credit card addiction.

If you really want the government out of your checkbook more as you say and you don't care about social issues, and you are willing to believe the candidate's rhetoric, then you should vote for Obama.

But if you're just welded to the idea that the Democrats will cause your taxes to go up, then you're ignoring all the financial data you can collect about Republican platforms since 1972. We're amassing a massive debt that is coming home to roost.

[Buster Highmen]

B - you should teach a basic politics, history and economics class for challenged kinder-gardeners.

You have a natural gift for it.
When I was a professor, the students told me I was the best math teacher they ever had. But there's always that 10% that just sit there and glower and hate you and honestly, it's not worth it at the money you make.

The education level of the country is going down the tubes, China and Russia will bury us because of it.

Anyway, I would vote for Obama if he were a Redumblican. I'll vote for the clown that at least has a red rubber nose pointing in the direction of reducing the national debt.

[PNWbrit]

I would vote for Obama if he were a Redumblican.

Surely he would have had to organize a far higher class of community to qualify? Better gates on Arizona golf tracts, clearer maps of the NRA stars in Beverly Hills, less codded capes, Arthur Murray style cowboy swagger clinics in ConnectiTexas?

[Falldise]

The upper 2% are the ones paying your paychecks, and are keeping the economy alive by pumping so much money through it. If you tax the shit out of them and take their money, then who is going be putting money back into the economy? The middle class puts their money in savings, and if you lower taxes, they are just going to put more in savings. The upper 2% spends it. If you keep their taxes low, they are going to spend more, which is good for the economy.

The middle class drives the economy. The % of their income spent is so much higher than the rich. If some rich guy buys an expensive car that is such a miniscule amount of his actual income.

[axebiker]

McCain's plan will reduce your taxes and increase the national debt to the tune of $600 BILLION.
Obama's plan will reduce your taxes MORE and decrease the national debt by $700 BILLION.

If you're reall a fiscal conservative like I am, you don't want your government wasting money paying off interest like some fucking loser with a credit card addiction.

If you really want the government out of your checkbook more as you say and you don't care about social issues, and you are willing to believe the candidate's rhetoric, then you should vote for Obama.

But if you're just welded to the idea that the Democrats will cause your taxes to go up, then you're ignoring all the financial data you can collect about Republican platforms since 1972. We're amassing a massive debt that is coming home to roost.

I can entertain anything - although it'll never change my opinion of Obama. He has yet to say anything that strikes a chord with me. I think that taxing the piss out of business is NOT the way to fill the gov't coffers when there is so much at stake economically. A cut in gov't is the only way I can see a path to any end at this point. With that said, point me toward the facts - I'll be very happy to check them out.

[axebiker]

The middle class drives the economy. The % of their income spent is so much higher than the rich. If some rich guy buys an expensive car that is such a miniscule amount of his actual income.

It's not the expensive car he buys, it's the FLEET of trucks he buys. It's the buildings, machinery and so on. What happens when they quit spending money on their business?

Jobs = gone, and economic activity (expansion in particular) slumps. We're worse off in the long run.

[Buster Highmen]

With that said, point me toward the facts - I'll be very happy to check them out.

First, the middle class drives the economy. Here's a federal study with tons of tables proving it:

http://www.bls.gov/cex/csxann05.pdf

In particular, the botton 80% of the income brackets account for 60% of spending. Add in the next 15% and I'm betting you'll be closer to 80% of spending.

Conclusion: lowering taxes on the middle class will do more to stimulate the economy that lowering taxes on the top 2%.

Plus, you and I get taxed less than now and Obamas tax plan give us more cuts (so we pay less taxes) than McCains.

Google "Obama Tax Plan": http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031678,obamamccaintaxplans.article

The point here is that if we're really going to vote on the facts, on the plans and promises, then we have to get away from this dumbass partisan shit that should have stayed in high school pep club popularity votes.

Go out for a ride, go to someplace to clear your head and ask yourself what you're really doing. Are you voting by party or by policy?

Otherwise ....

[axebiker]

First, the middle class drives the economy. Here's a federal study with tons of tables proving it:

http://www.bls.gov/cex/csxann05.pdf

In particular, the botton 80% of the income brackets account for 60% of spending. Add in the next 15% and I'm betting you'll be closer to 80% of spending.

Conclusion: lowering taxes on the middle class will do more to stimulate the economy that lowering taxes on the top 2%.

Plus, you and I get taxed less than now and Obamas tax plan give us more cuts (so we pay less taxes) than McCains.

Google "Obama Tax Plan": http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1031678,obamamccaintaxplans.article

The point here is that if we're really going to vote on the facts, on the plans and promises, then we have to get away from this dumbass partisan shit that should have stayed in high school pep club popularity votes.

Go out for a ride, go to someplace to clear your head and ask yourself what you're really doing. Are you voting by party or by policy?

Otherwise ....

Thanks!! I'll do some reading this weekend.