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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080902_Fatimah_Ali__We_need_Obama__not_4_more_ye ars_of_George_Bush.html
Theodore
09-02-2008, 02:20 PM
I love how everyone forgets he's half white...
...can't... br..eath...e......
Somebody open a window.
The K00KS are stealing all the oxygen. :rolleyes:
Rideski
09-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Most of the comments below the article are saying that Fatimah Ali is full of shit.
Cliff Huckable
09-02-2008, 02:28 PM
[quote=that stupid fucking opinion piece]If John McCain wins, look for a full-fledged race and class war, fueled by a deflated and depressed country, soaring crime, homelessness - and hopelessness![quote]
I think John McCain is the very worst kind of politician. And this is the very worst kind of writing. BARF! x ∞
What amazes me is that this was approved by the review process at the Inquirer. It has always been a mouthpiece for the Democrats but this is a new low.
GrizzlyFD
09-02-2008, 02:39 PM
ummm...where exactly did you get that this was from the philly inquirer???
All I see is that the Philadelphia Daily News (aka litter box paper) published a shitty opinion pieces from a hack
learn correct good reference ok dood
Adolf Allerbush
09-02-2008, 02:40 PM
I love how everyone forgets he's half white...
Explain to me what you mean by this becasue I take it as meaning that since he's half caucasion that race shouldn't be an issue or as much of an issue with him. I hear you but that's just not realistic to think that would factor into a racist persons point of view. Do you think the racist redneck hick POS out there is gonna be like "he's half white so he gets my vote"? I think not.
Tuckerman
09-02-2008, 02:45 PM
Explain to me what you mean by this becasue I take it as meaning that since he's half caucasion that race shouldn't be an issue or as much of an issue with him. I hear you but that's just not realistic to think that would factor into a racist persons point of view. Do you think the racist redneck hick POS out there is gonna be like "he's half white so he gets my vote"? I think not.
The GOP has a similar issue with all the people out there that think a womens place is in the kitchen. Just because she shoots a gun is not going to make her any more likable with the sexiest population.
ummm...where exactly did you get that this was from the philly inquirer???
All I see is that the Philadelphia Daily News (aka litter box paper) published a shitty opinion pieces from a hack
learn correct good reference ok dood
The Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News are owned & published by the same company and share office space and share the web site
HOWS THAT DOOD?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
Adolf Allerbush
09-02-2008, 03:00 PM
The GOP has a similar issue with all the people out there that think a womens place is in the kitchen. Just because she shoots a gun is not going to make her any more likable with the sexiest population.
Where does the "sexiest population" live? Maybe L.A. or something? It's certainly not Porkland
jon gaper
09-02-2008, 03:05 PM
accept the caliphate now, you dhimmis.(that means no beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
BmillsSkier
09-02-2008, 03:26 PM
This was actually raised by someone here months ago. I tried searching for it, but to no avail unfortunately so hopefully someone can own up to their post.
This is seriously scary shit, as I'm sure this lady represents a mindset of at least some segment of the black population. There are those in the inner-cities that will be told that if Obama does not win the election, that it was racism and that they need to "make a stand". I predict Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta and possibly NO will burn if Obama doesn't win.
Do I hope I'm wrong? You bet.
If Barack loses, this will truly test America's readiness for a black president. Riots and lawless protesting: we fail that readiness test.
Which is sad.
Adolf Allerbush
09-02-2008, 03:28 PM
I predict Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta and possibly NO will burn if Obama doesn't win.
What about Chicago mang?
TeleHoar
09-02-2008, 03:34 PM
WTF?
cut-n-paste the article if you want us to read it.
Or at least post the proper link. I looked all over for whatever your talking about.
I live in Philly and I don't see any of that at all unless there is a Bush-Gore situation. So, that means that as long as the voting public makes sure there are no hanging chads, all will be well.
For sure the article does Obama no good at all
WTF?
cut-n-paste the article if you want us to read it.
Or at least post the proper link. I looked all over for whatever your talking about.
sorry guy, they pulled it form the front page hang on I'll try to find it
here... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080902_Fatimah_Ali__We_need_Obama__not_4_more_ye ars_of_George_Bush.html
Theodore
09-02-2008, 04:05 PM
Explain to me what you mean by this becasue I take it as meaning that since he's half caucasion that race shouldn't be an issue or as much of an issue with him. I hear you but that's just not realistic to think that would factor into a racist persons point of view. Do you think the racist redneck hick POS out there is gonna be like "he's half white so he gets my vote"? I think not.
All the media represents him like he's black. Everyone is glad there is a chance there will be a black president... so on and so forth. But he's half. I'm not saying it give yokels (sorry Cleat) something to grab onto, I just find it comical that in articles like this, he's billed as the greatest black man ever... and he's not all black. He's just as much white as he's black, but not a single person mentions that. And that is, undoubtedly, part of the reason he's so popular.
TeleHoar
09-02-2008, 04:12 PM
sorry guy, they pulled it form the front page hang on I'll try to find it
here... http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/elections/20080902_Fatimah_Ali__We_need_Obama__not_4_more_ye ars_of_George_Bush.html
Thank you!
How is that a news article and not an Op-Ed piece?
wow.
BmillsSkier
09-02-2008, 04:16 PM
What about Chicago mang?
*smacks forehead* duh, how could I have forgotten about that? I guess I assumed he cured the deep-seeded rage in the inner city South side as a community organizer and that wouldn't be an issue.
I live in Philly and I don't see any of that at all unless there is a Bush-Gore situation. So, that means that as long as the voting public makes sure there are no hanging chads, all will be well.
For sure the article does Obama no good at all
I should have added this to my post as well. If Obama loses, it will definately be a close one. And with close elections as we've all seen come wild allegations of fraud, abuse, and other criminal activity around the voting booth. Add allegations of racism to this one should he lose, mix well and ignite.
Tippster
09-02-2008, 04:17 PM
All the media represents him like he's black. Everyone is glad there is a chance there will be a black president... so on and so forth. But he's half. I'm not saying it give yokels (sorry Cleat) something to grab onto, I just find it comical that in articles like this, he's billed as the greatest black man ever... and he's not all black. He's just as much white as he's black, but not a single person mentions that. And that is, undoubtedly, part of the reason he's so popular.Ummm... he himself mentions that every time he mentions his mother, which is pretty much in every speech.
Adolph, if all the candidates were black I'd bet that the white electorate would point out who is half white... especially if it was obvious.
Adolf Allerbush
09-02-2008, 04:23 PM
Adolph, if all the candidates were black I'd bet that the white electorate would point out who is half white... especially if it was obvious.
Didn't think about it like that...probably would be the case.
bklyn
09-02-2008, 04:39 PM
All the media represents him like he's black....
You keep asking the question in different ways. Here is one scenario to ponder.
Take a good look at Obama. If he was walking toward you on the street would you think he was Caucasian? Does he look significantly different than other people you would identify as black? Would you know there was something different about his parents, based on his appearance? Would you look at his children and immediately identify that they had a white grandparent?
http://adiaha.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/w_obama_wideweb__470x2870.jpg
Obama with his grandparents:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3160/2281198791_65d7028bff.jpg
There is a percentage of African Americans who are solely of African ancestry. Most are not. Does that change your viewpoint on who is 'white' and who is 'black'. The longer your family has been in America, the more likely it is that you are a product of mixed ancestry - many different countries and races may contribute to who you are regardless of your appearance.
Lonnie
09-02-2008, 05:03 PM
The longer your family has been in America, the more likely it is that you are a product of mixed ancestry - many different countries and races may contribute to who you are regardless of your appearance.
Here's something cool to think about. It was genetic isolation and interbreeding over vast periods of time led to the formation of the races. Now, with the global transportation network, those once clearly defined "races" are breaking down. Eventually, we will be one big mixed bag of traits and the concept of "races" will be obsolete, with the exception of the "human race".
That will be the day.
Smokey McPole
09-02-2008, 05:26 PM
Race war? What - is Charlie Manson writing for the Phli Enquirer now?
HELTER SKELTER!
Smokey McPole
09-02-2008, 05:29 PM
That will be the day.
Actually that day will completely suck. No more Mexican/Thai/Japanese/German/Chinese/Italian/Indian/French/Soul food/culture/art.
Diversity is fine up to a point. Careful what you wish for.
Theodore
09-02-2008, 05:33 PM
You keep asking the question in different ways. Here is one scenario to ponder.
I didn't ask a single question actually... I understand what you are saying there, but IMO, there are other pictures of him that leave the question open. The fact remains, he's just as white as he is black.
My response had to do with this article. It's obviously written from a skewed POV, that doesn't represent what Barack believes, or would want. That POV wouldn't exist if the author didn't claim him as being black and only black. For the sake of her article, she decided to ignore half of his heritage.
bklyn
09-02-2008, 06:02 PM
These are arbitrary concepts because skin color does not correspond to the labels. The author is defining something else besides a strict definition of ancestry. Are you saying you just don't get that?
Are you turning a blind eye to the fact that Obama looks like Mr Average Black Guy and what that implies? Because if he's having trouble hailing a taxi (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E6D61E3AF932A25752C1A96F9582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print), yelling out "Did you know my mom is white?" isn't going to make the driver change his mind and stop.
glenplake
09-02-2008, 06:57 PM
Nothing like burning down your own impoverished community and looting the local stores to get back at The Man. That'll sure show them who's boss.
dtrey28
09-02-2008, 07:41 PM
The Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News are owned & published by the same company and share office space and share the web site
HOWS THAT DOOD?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
DOOD!
the Daily News is a tabloid and the Inquirer is a pretty well respected paper. I don't care if the two papers share the same shitter, they are two very different publications.
That article is obviously some BS opinion piece. Thanks for sharing but I prefer to get my political BS from Jer and Jerzilla. Much more entertaining than this Ali lady.
Here's something cool to think about. It was genetic isolation and interbreeding over vast periods of time led to the formation of the races. Now, with the global transportation network, those once clearly defined "races" are breaking down. Eventually, we will be one big mixed bag of traits and the concept of "races" will be obsolete, with the exception of the "human race".
That will be the day.
(Not arguing with you Lonnie, just using what you said a framework to start discussion)
Race is a made up concept. The whole idea of a "black" race is flawed.
This is hard for most people to contemplate, let alone investigate or accept. Yes, there are different ethnic groups as a result of genetic isolation. Yes, these groups have differing physical traits than other groups, but the idea of a set number of races is about as real as unicorns.
gretch6364
09-02-2008, 08:11 PM
This was actually raised by someone here months ago. I tried searching for it, but to no avail unfortunately so hopefully someone can own up to their post.
This is seriously scary shit, as I'm sure this lady represents a mindset of at least some segment of the black population. There are those in the inner-cities that will be told that if Obama does not win the election, that it was racism and that they need to "make a stand". I predict Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta and possibly NO will burn if Obama doesn't win.
Do I hope I'm wrong? You bet.
If Barack loses, this will truly test America's readiness for a black president. Riots and lawless protesting: we fail that readiness test.
Which is sad.
Why would you buy into this BS? There will be no race wars if Obama loses. Also, why do you think that African Americans only live in the inner-cities? No wonder the whole race card is being played in this election!
Theodore
09-02-2008, 08:34 PM
These are arbitrary concepts because skin color does not correspond to the labels. The author is defining something else besides a strict definition of ancestry. Are you saying you just don't get that?
Are you turning a blind eye to the fact that Obama looks like Mr Average Black Guy and what that implies? Because if he's having trouble hailing a taxi (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F00E6D61E3AF932A25752C1A96F9582 60&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print), yelling out "Did you know my mom is white?" isn't going to make the driver change his mind and stop.
She's using the half of his heritage that is convenient for her purposes. I don't understand why my saying that is leading you down multiple other conversation paths. It's not a blind eye at all... its an educated eye if anything. She's pandering to people that don't take the time to look into things or read other sources when they hear something. You can infer all you want to but the fact remains that I said what I said because she is only using Barack's black "image" (there, ya happy) for her race war threats. Her saying Barack is a commoner is also comical...
David Witherspoon
09-02-2008, 09:48 PM
If Barack loses, this will truly test America's readiness for a black president. Riots and lawless protesting: we fail that readiness test.
We, the Rational, sincerely regret your rejection of our invitation to join us.
Your personalized "Choose The Rational" (CTR) ring will be recycled shortly.
BmillsSkier
09-02-2008, 09:57 PM
Why...
Lets go over my post line by line and show you how absolutely horrible your reading comprehension is. Ready? Ok, lets go:
I've reposted my OP just so you don't have to go back and look again.
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
This was actually raised by someone here months ago. I tried searching for it, but to no avail unfortunately so hopefully someone can own up to their post.
This is seriously scary shit, as I'm sure this lady represents a mindset of at least some segment of the black population. There are those in the inner-cities that will be told that if Obama does not win the election, that it was racism and that they need to "make a stand". I predict Detroit, LA, DC, Atlanta and possibly NO will burn if Obama doesn't win.
Do I hope I'm wrong? You bet.
If Barack loses, this will truly test America's readiness for a black president. Riots and lawless protesting: we fail that readiness test.
Which is sad.
Why would you buy into this BS?
Mostly because I've lived through it. I've seen two cities I've lived in face riots. There are those uneducated reactionary idiots who are too stupid to know how the world, much less an election or trial works. When they get mad, there are those EXACTLY like this moron opinion writer that fan the flames of anger until those idiots who listen decide that looting, rioting, and burning are acceptable means of expressing disappointment.
There will be no race wars if Obama loses.
Show me where I said there were going to be? The author said there were going to be race wars. I said that select cities, and implied that parts of those select cities will burn. Oh, by the way to have a 'war' you need two sides to fight eachother. Morons burining their own neighborhoods in anger dont really fight anyone but their perceived illusions of non-existent aggresors.
Also, why do you think that African Americans only live in the inner-cities?
Here's the real gem of your post. You attribute a belief to me that I never said nor implied. Take a moment to re-read my post and find for me where I said that blacks only live in inner cities. I'll wait.
Couldn't find it huh? Weird.
You see Rhodes Scholar, you are seing generalizations where you want to, regardless of fact staring you in the face. What I did say was, "this lady represents a mindset of at least some segment of the black population. There are those in the inner-cities that will be told that if Obama does not win the election, that it was racism and that they need to "make a stand""
Riots don't break out in the suburbs in America and rural enclaves aren't the places that end up charred messes when moronic mobs decide to express their displeasure, it's inner cities.
No wonder the whole race card is being played in this election! No shit, just remember who said it was sad. If you've already forgotten, it was me.
gretch6364
09-02-2008, 10:37 PM
Sorry...I guess I read further into your post than what you meant....thanks for the clarification. It appeared you were buying into her story and also fanning the flames, to me.
If this race is suppose to be about breaking down barriers by having Obama and Palin running, why do we even have to continue talking about it. If people really were for 100% equality, they wouldn't even talk about Obama being half black and Palin being a women. Simply mentioning it shows that people still make a distinction and both parties are guilty of bringing it up over and over again.
DharmaBum
09-02-2008, 11:55 PM
Actually that day will completely suck. No more Mexican/Thai/Japanese/German/Chinese/Italian/Indian/French/Soul food/culture/art.
Diversity is fine up to a point. Careful what you wish for.
I think you're confusing race with culture.
"...When the revolution comes to this country, it will not be about race. It will not be black against white. It will be about economic class and wealth. Rich versus poor, the 'haves' versus the 'have nots.' (paraphrased)"
- Malcolm X
BmillsSkier
09-03-2008, 06:55 AM
We, the Rational, sincerely regret your rejection of our invitation to join us.
Your personalized "Choose The Rational" (CTR) ring will be recycled shortly.
Not sure you read what I wrote there David. I say that if there are riots and lawless protesting than Americans will be perceived to (and actually will) have failed the test of if we're ready for a black president. You learn the most about the character of a person or a group of people while they are in the midst of defeat. I firmly reserve my place among the rational.
Sorry...I guess I read further into your post than what you meant....thanks for the clarification. It appeared you were buying into her story and also fanning the flames, to me.
If this race is suppose to be about breaking down barriers by having Obama and Palin running, why do we even have to continue talking about it. If people really were for 100% equality, they wouldn't even talk about Obama being half black and Palin being a women. Simply mentioning it shows that people still make a distinction and both parties are guilty of bringing it up over and over again.
No problem, glad I could clarify my post.
TNKen
09-03-2008, 08:15 AM
This thread looks to me like the makings of a justification to the wife to......
BUY MORE AMMO!!!!
GrizzlyFD
09-03-2008, 09:09 AM
The Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News are owned & published by the same company and share office space and share the web site
HOWS THAT DOOD?????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
hmmm....last time I checked (this morning) the papers had different editors, content, and writers so THEY ARE DIFFERENT PAPERS. Just because the parent company is the same does not mean Inquirer=Daily News.
You are not going to win this argument.
Daily News Top Editors:
News
City Editor Gar Joseph
Assistant City Editor Barbara Laker
Opinion Sandra Shea
Sports Pat McLoone
Features Debi Licklider
Clout Gar Joseph
Rethinking Philadelphia Wendy Warren
Inquirer Editors:
William K. Marimow, Editor and Executive Vice President, 215-854-4141
Sandra D. Long, Managing Editor, 215-854-4515
Mike Leary, Managing Editor, 215-854-5151
Tom McNamara, Deputy Managing Editor/Sunday, 215-854-2549
Vernon Loeb, Deputy Managing Editor/News, 215-854-5150
Acel Moore, Associate Editor (emeritus), 215-854-4533
Harold Jackson, Editor of the Editorial Page, 215-854-2555
David Witherspoon
09-03-2008, 12:42 PM
... why do we even have to continue talking about it. If people really were for 100% equality, they wouldn't even talk about Obama being half black and Palin being a women.
Not all people are for 100% equality, as you well know.
Somewhere between 5% and 25% of voters will not vote for Obama because he is African-American.
If Barack loses, this will truly test America's readiness for a black president. Riots and lawless protesting: we fail that readiness test.
Wrong. The election is the test. If Barack loses, it will be because America is not ready for a black President.
cbgarrett
09-03-2008, 01:07 PM
Not all people are for 100% equality, as you well know.
Somewhere between 5% and 25% of voters will not vote for Obama because he is African-American.
Wrong. The election is the test. If Barack loses, it will be because America is not ready for a black President.
Wrong. It's because America (or at least myself) is not ready for a socialist president trying to move our country toward total goverment dependence. I could care less what color (or gender) he is.
BmillsSkier
09-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Wrong. The election is the test. If Barack loses, it will be because America is not ready for a black President.
Wrong-O there David. You're working from an assumption that if Obama isn't elected than we've failed as a nation, because in your opinion, he is the only choice. That and you're working from the opinion that if he doesn't win, it's because he's black. Tsk tsk, you racist.
You are also wrong because you assume that America is the only failed entity if Obama doesn't get elected. If Obama does not get elected it can be because of a whole host of reasons, his policy, his views, etc... not just because or not because he's black.
Now if America can take a Barack defeat (or win for that matter) and not burn their cities, then we will have passed the test that as a nation we are ready to have a black man or woman become president.
Cities didn't burn when Al Gore lost, or John Kerry lost. Sure people were pissed but they handled themselves in a responsible manner. If Barry loses and the lootin' and a-riotin' begins then it is clear. We are not mature enough to handle a candidate who is not white.
David Witherspoon
09-03-2008, 01:20 PM
You're entitled to your benighted opinion. And so am I. You made a host of unsupported assumptions and drew a conclusion that is nothing more than a purely subjective opinion.
Since you apparently embrace the logical rule that "if I disagree with you, you are wrong", I will - for the sake of amusement - apply the rule back to you.
You are wrong-o.
(Now I want credit for pulling that additional rightwingnut out of lurkdom!)
Metatron
09-03-2008, 01:22 PM
Wrong. The election is the test. If Barack loses, it will be because America is not ready for a black President.
Is this a serious post?
David Witherspoon
09-03-2008, 01:36 PM
Is this a serious post?Are you a serious poster? Don't bother answering.
It is at least as serious as BMills'. Probably more arguable.
Look at the facts (http://pewresearch.org/pubs/408/can-you-trust-what-polls-say-about-obamas-electoral-prospects):
http://pewresearch.org/assets/publications/408-2.gif
Better than it used to be - back when the U.S. version of apartheid was alive and well.
Recent polls find that 3-6% of Americans admit that they are - to put it bluntly - racists.
Other studies suggest - no surprise here - that the proportion of voters who are biased against a black President is considerably more than a mere 5%. Not everyone is stupid enough - or even self-aware enough - to admit to their bigotry.
Elections can be decided by a margin of much less than that. Obama will have to strongly outperform McCain in order to win - he can't be merely "as good as."
Metatron
09-03-2008, 01:40 PM
So, everyone who doesn't vote for Obama is a racist?
Can't political views play at least a little factor in this election?
David Witherspoon
09-03-2008, 01:42 PM
Sure.
For most people, they will.
For at least 5%, bigotry has already made the decision for them.
BmillsSkier
09-03-2008, 01:44 PM
Dave you ignorant slut.
My argument is about the response to an unelected Obama being the test of weather or not Americans are mature enough for a black president.
Any dope with google can point and click their way to a graph (I know you love them so) that shows that the majority of Americans are ok with a black president.
There will always be idiots who wont vote for a black man. Hell, this time around there are plenty of those who wont vote for a white man since a guy who shares the same skin color as them is on a ticket.
What I said is that America will prove that they aren't ready to handle a black president if they show what a bunch of sore losers they are (ie: burning their cities)
qwert
09-03-2008, 01:47 PM
(Not arguing with you Lonnie, just using what you said a framework to start discussion)
Race is a made up concept. The whole idea of a "black" race is flawed.
This is hard for most people to contemplate, let alone investigate or accept. Yes, there are different ethnic groups as a result of genetic isolation. Yes, these groups have differing physical traits than other groups, but the idea of a set number of races is about as real as unicorns.
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. And you're right, it's way, way beyond most people's intellectual pay grade. Especially in here. Please - know your audience.
Edited to add: David Witherspoon is a horse's ass. Don't respond to him; he won't go away (he really doesn't have anything else to do), but his vapid, inane ramblings become even more amusing.
Metatron
09-03-2008, 01:50 PM
Sure.
For most people, they will.
For at least 5%, bigotry has already made the decision for them.
"Sure" as in they are racist?
Can't the 5% (or whatever) be the 5% and the rest of us vote according to political ideology?
But as far as bigotry goes, we've got alot bigger problems than skin color... what about all the "life-long" Dems and Reps that will only vote for their party? Aren't they a more dangerous and larger demographic?
hmmm....last time I checked (this morning) the papers had different editors, content, and writers so THEY ARE DIFFERENT PAPERS. Just because the parent company is the same does not mean Inquirer=Daily News.
You are not going to win this argument.
Daily News Top Editors:
News
City Editor Gar Joseph
Assistant City Editor Barbara Laker
Opinion Sandra Shea
Sports Pat McLoone
Features Debi Licklider
Clout Gar Joseph
Rethinking Philadelphia Wendy Warren
Inquirer Editors:
William K. Marimow, Editor and Executive Vice President, 215-854-4141
Sandra D. Long, Managing Editor, 215-854-4515
Mike Leary, Managing Editor, 215-854-5151
Tom McNamara, Deputy Managing Editor/Sunday, 215-854-2549
Vernon Loeb, Deputy Managing Editor/News, 215-854-5150
Acel Moore, Associate Editor (emeritus), 215-854-4533
Harold Jackson, Editor of the Editorial Page, 215-854-2555
oh man, read both papers for a year and then come back and try to tell me they don't have the same agenda and take their marching orders from the same party
ArmadaBC
09-03-2008, 02:02 PM
oh man, read both papers for a year and then come back and try to tell me they don't have the same agenda and take their marching orders from the same party
When was the last time we had a repub mayor or phila county went to the repubs in a presidental election. I'm not saying they are great papers but you shouldn't be suprised that they lean left.
David Witherspoon
09-03-2008, 02:04 PM
"Sure" as in they are racist?"Sure" in direct response to your question: as in, most people (e.g., more than half, hopefully more than three quarters) will vote their political leanings without bigotry.
This ain't the 50's anymore.
Can't the 5% (or whatever) be the 5% and the rest of us vote according to political ideology?
But as far as bigotry goes, we've got alot bigger problems than skin color... what about all the "life-long" Dems and Reps that will only vote for their party? Aren't they a more dangerous and larger demographicUmm ... do you want people to vote their "political ideology"/party or not?
Or are you just inventing "problems" out of thin air to avoid facing the fact that racists still matter in American politics? Doesn't matter either way - adding problems to the list doesn't make other problems go away.
We've got plenty of problems. Bigots are one of 'em. They will have an effect on this election. A 5-25% automatic, one-sided handicap in an election that has been decided by less than that in the past is a pretty severe effect.
Metatron
09-03-2008, 02:17 PM
Umm ... do you want people to vote their "political ideology"/party or not?
Or are you just inventing "problems" out of thin air to avoid facing the fact that racists still matter in American politics? Doesn't matter either way - adding problems to the list doesn't make other problems go away.
We've got plenty of problems. Bigots are one of 'em. They will have an effect on this election. A 5-25% automatic, one-sided handicap in an election that has been decided by less than that in the past is a pretty severe effect.
If their ideologies line up perfectly with the party, sure... but how many times do you hear people say, "I'm voting for "X" but I don't agree with him on every issue?" How many issues can you disagree on before there's no good reason to support the candidate? What about the "lesser-of-two-evils" voters? Sorry to move the goal-post again, but this is a form of bigotry.
I guess a more important question is: How many Democrats are racist enough to not vote for Obama? Obviously the Republicans are the racists while Democrats are the progressive thinkers... if Obama can't get his half of the Country, it's the Dems to blame.
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