Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughter's: now with pictures!

[Spats]

FOLLOWUP: Turns out both Sarah *and* her daughter were pregnant, so the article was half right.

This looks like it has moved beyond "rumor" to "fact". Check out the pictures here of Sarah Palin and her obviously-pregnant daughter:
http://openthread.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/30/121350/137/486/580223

This is why it's important to spend more than a half-hour vetting your vice-presidential candidate.

[axebiker]

Looks like a muffin top to me. I dunno... I'm not putting much stock in it.

EDIT: The "Liberal Blog Advertising Network"??? Come on... Spats, I'm a little disappointed. It's a left-wing conspiracy site. Jeebus.

[flyby]

GILF?
the fact that she only actually squeezed four out brings her back into play.

[RootSkier]

It's a left-wing conspiracy site. Jeebus.

Rush told you that, dint he?

[str8line]

Is there a single picture of Sarah Palin showing her as pregnant? Is there a single picture of her daughter in those months showing her as not pregnant? 7 months into a supposed pregnancy and no-one has any indication of her being pregnant? Her daughter pulled out of school?

This story could dominate the news as it all unravels.

A full scale cover-up of presidential proportions. She'd fit right in in Washington.

[axebiker]

Rush told you that, dint he?

Rush isn't on today, so no.

[DharmaBum]

Looks like a muffin top to me. I dunno... I'm not putting much stock in it.

EDIT: The "Liberal Blog Advertising Network"??? Come on... Spats, I'm a little disappointed. It's a left-wing conspiracy site. Jeebus.

I'm a little hesitant to put alot of stock inthis either. But, pics don't lie, and in the second one her ankles look pretty thin for a pregnant woman, and she doesn't really look pregnant in any of them. There are enough speculative facts to at least merit further investigation, which I'm sure some press people will do. Looks interesting. I'll stay tuned.

[str8line]

Rush isn't on today, so no.

Who give's a shit about the site. Did Palin orchestrate a full-on cover-up(LIE)? If she did, imagine the hubris of a person in her position thinking she can pull something like that off.

Reminds me of Desperate Housewives, where the mom doing the same thing to protect her pregnant daughter goes to a backyard barbeque and accidentally gets a barbeque fork stuck in her fake belly and doesn't notice it. People start freaking...fucking hilarious.

[JoeStrummer]

File me under "I Don't Give a Shit Either Way." She didn't toss the baby in a dumpster, for chrissakes.

[Cliff Huckable]

I don't know or care about any of this and I hate to get involved in conspiracy junk, but the photo on that site, of Pallin supposedly 7 months pregnant, is ridiculous.
I'm sure she was pregnant and it's her child or whatever, but there is no chance she was seven months pregnant in that particular photo. I assume the photo is just from another time.

[axebiker]

Who give's a shit about the site. Did Palin orchestrate a full-on cover-up(LIE)? If she did, imagine the hubris of a person in her position thinking she can pull something like that off.

I'm not saying it isn't true; all I'm saying is that the source is dubious. I guess we'll see. But when I was at Best Buy with my wife, that was pretty much the same shape of about 70% of the chubby teens I saw there.

[splat]

File me under "I Don't Give a Shit Either Way." She didn't toss the baby in a dumpster, for chrissakes.

Equivalent of "Sure, Bush lied. But Saddam was mean. And bad. And stuff"???

The reason this is relevant is that it speaks to the character of the candidate.
As hard as it is to find politicians with any character whatsoever, America wants the ones who aren't dumb enough to get caught telling outright lies.

[timvwcom]

Pretty much EVERY ONE of the Gov Palin photos has a thick sweater, coat, table in the way of her belly... Also, women pregnant in their 40's have a very high risk of Downs babies... and I know that Downs babies are historically small, so I'd say the odds its her baby are good.

HOWEVER, what does seem suspicious is that the daughter was reportedly out of school for 3 or 4 months EXACTLY at that time. It was reported as a severe case of Mono... but again just really suspicious!!! Also, Mom was reportedly traveling and flew back home DURING her labor... no one at the airlines was notified or aware. Doctors recommend against flying when 7 months plus and this her 5th baby, they fall right out at that point. (jk) Again, just suspicious!!! :confused:

[Tippster]

I don't know or care about any of this and I hate to get involved in conspiracy junk, but the photo on that site, of Pallin supposedly 7 months pregnant, is ridiculous.
I'm sure she was pregnant and it's her child or whatever, but there is no chance she was seven months pregnant in that particular photo. I assume the photo is just from another time.

It's not, as can be verified by the news outlet who took and ran that photo. That's the point.

[bklyn]

Right now, I just don't buy this rumor at all.

-First off, teens now are fat fat fat. Show me a pic with the daughter rail thin today and I'd think twice about it.

-2nd she had plenty of reasons to keep the news of this pregnancy to herself. They knew the baby would have serious problems and she would not want her fitness to lead called into question by having another child, not to mention one with special needs.

-3rd she's currently under investigation. Do you think they would have missed this?

-4th it's rare for a teenager to give birth to a baby with downs syndrome. They don't even test the fetus for it until the mother is 35.

-5th Palin (Sarah) is still breastfeeding. Tell me how she'd fake that without getting caught.

You do realize this is a story line right out of Desperate Housewives? I may be proven wrong, but right now this story smells of trumped up bullshit.

This is the thing most tiring about the criticism of the 'non traditional' candidates. (Clinton, Obama, Palin and others before them) Most of the time it's about something other than their record.

[13]

christ, i just knew something slimy like this would come up after her nomination. complete and utter bullshit mudslinging.

[The AD]

I feel sorry for the poor daughter who just happens to be slightly chubby.

I seriously doubt it was the daughter who was actually preggers for the reasons bklyn alluded to. The fact she was out of school so long is pretty damn dubious, though, I must say. In any event, even if it turns out it is the daughter's child you know they will someone spin this to be something somehow "honorable" for Palin to do.

The funniest things here is the baby's name: Trig Paxson Van Palin. Van Palin, get it!

[doughboyshredder]

File me under "I Don't Give a Shit Either Way." She didn't toss the baby in a dumpster, for chrissakes.

dude, she lied.
And not a little white lie.

She told the world that she had a baby, when she didn't. (assuming this is true).

Just goes to prove that the mccain / palin ticket is perpetually dishonest.

[doughboyshredder]

-5th Palin (Sarah) is still breastfeeding. Tell me how she'd fake that without getting caught.

.

pictures please

[cloudpeak]

I'm not into conspiracies, but several parts of Palin's pregnancy story seem fishy. The weirdest part of the story, though, is the long plane ride back to Alaska after her water broke. She knew she was having a special needs child, she knew the baby would now be premature, and I would think she would know that once the amniotic sac breaks, the clock is ticking. At that point, you have to start worrying about infection or oxygen deprivation for the fetus due to compression of the cord. It's wise to have a doctor check on the health of the fetus at that point.

So, what does this woman do? She delivers the keynote at the conference even though her water supposedly broke at 4 in the morning. The speech probably occurs 5 hours after the water breaks. Then she boards a plane for Alaska. With a layover in Seattle, she's traveling about 9 hours. Then, instead of going to the hospital in Anchorage, she drives 45 minutes to Wasilla to have this premature, special needs baby at the local hospital. Assuming she was able to go from the conference directly to the airport and hop on the plane immediately, the total time from when the water broke to her arrival in Wasilla would be 15 or 16 hours.

So:

a) Did she not care about the health of her infant and the possibility that she would deliver a premature, special needs baby on the plane? (Keep in mind, that the plane's crew was unaware of her pregnancy.)

b) Did she not understand the issues even though she had been pregnant four times previously?

c) Was she not the one who was pregnant?

I'm placing my bet on c).

[hutash]

-5th Palin (Sarah) is still breastfeeding. Tell me how she'd fake that without getting caught.



I'd be willing to sample the teat, and give a definitive answer:D

It will be interesting to see this play out, but I doubt it's accuracy.

[JoeStrummer]

Right now, I just don't buy this rumor at all.

-First off, teens now are fat fat fat. Show me a pic with the daughter rail thin today and I'd think twice about it.

-2nd she had plenty of reasons to keep the news of this pregnancy to herself. They knew the baby would have serious problems and she would not want her fitness to lead called into question by having another child, not to mention one with special needs.

-3rd she's currently under investigation. Do you think they would have missed this?

-4th it's rare for a teenager to give birth to a baby with downs syndrome. They don't even test the fetus for it until the mother is 35.

-5th Palin (Sarah) is still breastfeeding. Tell me how she'd fake that without getting caught.

You do realize this is a story line right out of Desperate Housewives? I may be proven wrong, but right now this story smells of trumped up bullshit.

This is the thing most tiring about the criticism of the 'non traditional' candidates. (Clinton, Obama, Palin and others before them) Most of the time it's about something other than their record.

What, injecting reason into this discussion? How dare you! You have persuaded me, particularly with the breastfeeding argument and the muffin-topping of young America argument.

[enlosandes]

I, for one, love the controversy. I hope it gets juicer, maybe involving Spitzer or OJ in some way.

[enlosandes]

I'm not into conspiracies, but several parts of Palin's pregnancy story seem fishy. The weirdest part of the story, though, is the long plane ride back to Alaska after her water broke. She knew she was having a special needs child, she knew the baby would now be premature, and I would think she would know that once the amniotic sac breaks, the clock is ticking. At that point, you have to start worrying about infection or oxygen deprivation for the fetus due to compression of the cord. It's wise to have a doctor check on the health of the fetus at that point.

So, what does this woman do? She delivers the keynote at the conference even though her water supposedly broke at 4 in the morning. The speech probably occurs 5 hours after the water breaks. Then she boards a plane for Alaska. With a layover in Seattle, she's traveling about 9 hours. Then, instead of going to the hospital in Anchorage, she drives 45 minutes to Wasilla to have this premature, special needs baby at the local hospital. Assuming she was able to go from the conference directly to the airport and hop on the plane immediately, the total time from when the water broke to her arrival in Wasilla would be 15 or 16 hours.

So:

a) Did she not care about the health of her infant and the possibility that she would deliver a premature, special needs baby on the plane? (Keep in mind, that the plane's crew was unaware of her pregnancy.)

b) Did she not understand the issues even though she had been pregnant four times previously?

c) Was she not the one who was pregnant?

I'm placing my bet on c).

This may be a preview of the Republican's new health care plan.

[JoeStrummer]

dude, she lied.
And not a little white lie.

She told the world that she had a baby, when she didn't. (assuming this is true).

Just goes to prove that the mccain / palin ticket is perpetually dishonest.

The reason I don't give a shit is because I wouldn't vote McCain / Palin even if she started squeezing out solid gold babies every hour and used them to retire the national debt.

Splat - I wouldn't equate lying about this to Bush / Cheney lying about WMD any more than I would equate "I only had a couple of drinks, officer: to lying about WMD.

[truth]

Palin sure is making this fun.

[enlosandes]

Palin sure is making this fun.

Just imagine her as leader of the free world!

[truth]

Just imagine her as leader of the free world!

If there was another planet to go live on I might not mind watching from a distance.

[enlosandes]

If there was another planet to go live on I might not mind watching from a distance.

May I suggest Patagonia, it is a pretty good view from here. We even get Fox News and CNN!

[The AD]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense it's the kid's kid. Would the birth certificate be public record?

[fish]

she's a friggin liar

[uglymoney]

The more I think about it, the more it makes sense it's the kid's kid. Would the birth certificate be public record?

While googling I found a couple of places in some blogs that claim public records would be forthcoming but nothing is out there yet. This thing is in the process of blowing up with more information going up every few minutes.

I think we will know more shortly - true or not.

[timvwcom]

While googling I found a couple of places in some blogs that claim public records would be forthcoming but nothing is out there yet. This thing is in the process of blowing up with more information going up every few minutes.

I think we will know more shortly - true or not.

But is her gymnast daughter that won all the gold medals at the olympics really 16 years old already? I say it's doubtful. AND... was the plane she took back home leaving via a treadmil??? :p

[Smokey McPole]

..and (even if it's not just some tinfoil hat theory) this matters why?

[Todds]

my wife kept asking me "why is the daughter always carrying the baby around"? I guess this explains why.

[BFD]

just speaking to someone from Juneau. Apparently the rumor has been going on for awhile. supported by some friends of the daughter. sarah may wish she stayed in wasilla. I have never been a big fan based on her conservative views. However she is the real deal. Athletic ,outdoors person. She has been successful mainly due to good timing. As mayor of Wasilla she raised the sales tax just as Walmart opened. However she failed to address any of the major issues of the town. Such as transportation. Wasilla is basically a strip mall. She took a stance against corruption at the perfect time. Her fellow Republicans were corrupted by too many years of power. The legislator from Wasilla was sent to federal prison last month. She was pushing hard for a gas line. She offered up a sweet deal to a Canadian company and to her credit got the legislation passed for it. I doubt they will build the line as now several of the players who actually hold the gas are proposing their own line. I always thought our leaders were big thinkers but after the Bush administration with people like Rumsfeld it is obvious it's about knowing how to play the game. To sarah's credit she does it well and maybe with sincerity. My personal opinion is she is a selfish bitch. I have 2 kids and hardly have enough time to spend with them. How about 5 including a newborn. Why would Todd want to move to D.C.. I don't think the snowmaching their will keep him interested. Maybe I'm wrong maybe he is thrilled with all this and wants to support his wife in whatever she does. I think that going from mayor of Wasilla to governor and possibly having a new baby in two years might be alot for someone to adjust to, than throw in vice president. maybe she is moving a little too quick for her and her family.

[Summit]

File me under "I Don't Give a Shit Either Way." She didn't toss the baby in a dumpster, for chrissakes.

essentially

this is drama gossip but no crime here

and moreover


Right now, I just don't buy this rumor at all.

-First off, teens now are fat fat fat. Show me a pic with the daughter rail thin today and I'd think twice about it.

-2nd she had plenty of reasons to keep the news of this pregnancy to herself. They knew the baby would have serious problems and she would not want her fitness to lead called into question by having another child, not to mention one with special needs.

-3rd she's currently under investigation. Do you think they would have missed this?

-4th it's rare for a teenager to give birth to a baby with downs syndrome. They don't even test the fetus for it until the mother is 35.

-5th Palin (Sarah) is still breastfeeding. Tell me how she'd fake that without getting caught.

You do realize this is a story line right out of Desperate Housewives? I may be proven wrong, but right now this story smells of trumped up bullshit.

This is the thing most tiring about the criticism of the 'non traditional' candidates. (Clinton, Obama, Palin and others before them) Most of the time it's about something other than their record.

^this

[spindrift]

This is the thing most tiring about the criticism of the 'non traditional' candidates. (Clinton, Obama, Palin and others before them) Most of the time it's about something other than their record.

I don't think this is an issue of someone being "non-traditional". It is an interesting collection of admittedly circumstantial, but nonetheless coherent, evidence that someone is possibly less than honest & less than transparent. Someone who, in contrast to let's say Hillary Clinton, has no meaningful "record" whatsoever.

I don't care if someone is gay. I care if they out and out lie about it while seeking my trust and respect. I sure don't care about someone's gender. I don't care about the color of their skin. And I care little about someone's religion unless the way they express it makes me think they will cross the line between personal faith and theocracy. And I don't care how a family handles their private matters - but I care if someone preaching about honesty and transparency lives their life in a markedly different way while asking me to trust them.

When I first read the rumor, I laughed. But for yucks I poked around. And indeed many of the breadcrumbs had existed for months - notably in the AK media. And interestingly, many google thumbnails led to 404s on the AK state site. And if you've been around the pregnancy/delivery thing much, the whole fly back across the continent thing is very strange. If, and it remains a modest if, the reporting on this is accurate, the most optimistic conclusion is an incompetent doc and a not too on the ball and irresponsible patient...

[uglymoney]

..and (even if it's not just some tinfoil hat theory) this matters why?

Conservatives are bothered by revelations of sexual expression while liberals are offended by revelations of sexual repression.

Duh!

;)

[timvwcom]

just speaking to someone from Juneau. Apparently the rumor has been going on for awhile. supported by some friends of the daughter...

What ever the truth or lack there of behind this... I am surprised there isn't someone out there really "knocking the rumor down" yet??? This kind of thing can move like wildfire, I'd think the Republicans would want to get it put out pronto.

[Gebster]

the second pict of the daughter in that blog totally looks preggo unless kids are getting fat in a whole other way these days.

[str8line]

I've got $100 that says she's lying. Anyone?

[AKA]

pic #7 is what she looks like when she is actually pregnant.




http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/galleries/sarah_palin_family_photos/sarah_palin_family_photos.html

[uglymoney]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/gal_palin30-4.jpg

[AKA]

^^^^thanks, i is bad at internettin.

[JoeStrummer]

I've got $100 that says she's lying. Anyone?


I have $100 that says Todd Palin is the father. Theoretically, I could win either way!

[Trackhead]

What a great election! So much drama to distract us from any fucking progress at all.

Can we please get some honest, normal mother fuckers running for office at some point in time? Is that too much to ask?

[Catfish]

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/08/births-at-mat-s.html

This is interesting. I realize that it could be a privacy issue. However, as much as she has trumped up her "family values" and down to earth mentality, it really makes you wonder.

[AKA]

What a great election! So much drama to distract us from any fucking progress at all.

Can we please get some honest, normal mother fuckers running for office at some point in time? Is that too much to ask?

What "normal" person would want to?

[Phill]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit

[pointedem]

woah.. i clicked that link, got to the mat-su link in there and just tried again 5 min later and got 404 error

[Tippster]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit

Oh, who cares? It's so ancillary it's laughable, but it's the very thing that Republicans would have a shitfit over had Hillary, Mrs Obama, or Mrs. Biden done the same thing (if true.) BTW, in this pic:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/08/31/gal_palin30-4.jpg

...the Governor is on the LEFT.

[Catfish]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit

Drudge has a link about it. He had the Daily Kos blog linked but pulled it within the last 5-10 minutes.

[SkiCop]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit



Word on that. IF it had any hint of reality it would already be plastered all over CNN with the rest of their liberal bullshit.

For all of you haters who think she should be taking care of her kids, I think her husband can quit his job now and take care of that for her. Just sayin'.

[The AD]

IF it had any hint of reality it would already be plastered all over CNN

CNN isn't going to touch this one unless they get concrete evidence. Right now it's all speculation as far as I can tell.

The National Enquirer has a pretty good track record...

Does this really matter? No, probably not. If it turns out to be true it will just give Sarah Palin a chance to cry about it as we saw with Hillary some people love that shit.

[Rubicon]

Word on that. IF it had any hint of reality it would already be plastered all over CNN



Not necessarily. Nobody wants egg on their face for reporting something like this and then having to retract it and solid info is probably really hard to come by tonight.

There are a lot of 404s popping up. Somebody is doing an awful lot of fast damage control for this to be nothing.

[doughboyshredder]

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png
..........

[spindrift]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit

Perhaps you can ask John Edwards for a comment this topic. :D


And yeah, been following this for yucks much of the day - half the servers on the interwebs are spewing 404s on Palin related stuff. To the point where it is almost comical. I hope the wayback machine & similar entities have been watching...

[doughboyshredder]

According to this blog entry: http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944 this is just a dirty rumor.

Damn it was fun. I hope it gets as much traction as Obamas muslim rumor.

[The AD]

According to this blog entry: http://www.polartrec.com/node/3944 this is just a dirty rumor.

What does this prove? We already know she claimed to be pregnant.

[SkiCop]

Obamasheep

[doughboyshredder]

What does this prove? We already know she claimed to be pregnant.

I guess not much.

I read it as if the blogger met her in person and could tell she was pregnant.

[Dirty Hoar]

I'm gunna hold out on any opinion until the National Enquirer chimes in.

[spindrift]

I'm gunna hold out on any opinion until the National Enquirer chimes in.

That's what I'm waiting for. Arguably the only investigative reporters worth a darn these days...

[The Dad]

The whole thing is very "Dangerous Housewives."

[smitchell333]

Interesting rumor were it to be true. It appears that the daughter might be pregnant and just married, but perhaps its just unseemly rather than lies and fraud. This is the latest from Daily Kos, a picture where she looks prego:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3049/2814199887_67e84850f4_b.jpg

[Trackhead]

If this would have happened to a lib, they would have simply aborted.

[Tippster]

Yeah, 'cause, you know, we're all grown in a petri dish.

Glad this issue is gonna die now. Fun 24 hours tho. On to the next big thing: Gustav.

[David Witherspoon]

Shoulda died before it was posted; but then some other trigger-happy dimwit woulda posted it a day later, so what's the diff. :rolleyes:

On the bright side, looks like Dkos made compleat fools of themselves. Too bad you can't fire volunteers.

[gonehuckin]

I said when Bill was in office that one's sex and private life is just that and as long as its between consenting adults, I don't care. I stand by it for Spitzer, Craig, and Edwards and finally Palin. However, I can't help but laugh that her whole life is being investigated all the while she wants to overturn Roe v Wade which is based on privacy. I hope she cracks and it ruins her career/life.

[spindrift]

I don't know what the truth will turn out to be. But there have been a lot of pictures & pages appearing and mostly disappearing today. Those 404's everywhere from the AK gov site to birth records were prolly not random server crashes. Someone was hard at work regardless of the historical reality. Fascinating to watch reality morph...

[orange]

Has this made any reputable media sources yet? if so, links?

This smells of national enquirer-esqe bull shit

I'm not backing this story, or saying I believe it in any way right now, but the John Edwards story WAS National Enquirer-esque, hell they broke it. Then about a month later it really broke, and was true...

[cloudpeak]

I'm not backing this story, or saying I believe it in any way right now, but the John Kerry story WAS National Enquirer-esque, hell they broke it. Then about a month later it really broke, and was true...

Do you mean John Edwards?

[orange]

Yes, you quoted me too quick. I edited within a minute but you still beat me...Ha.

[Singel]

http://www.wikihow.com/Fake-Pregnancy

With her sweet government hookups, I bet she could acquire:
* Measuring Tape
* Pile of Clothing or pillow
* Book(s)

[Singel]

I have $100 that says Todd Palin is the father. Theoretically, I could win either way!

I wonder if incest baby can = downsyndrome?

[timvwcom]

Couple more pics with Sarah having a bump/looking chubbyish in the midsection...

http://www.timvw.com/whooohooo/palin_preg.jpg

http://www.timvw.com/whooohooo/palin_preg2.jpg


Tho some other good ones for the other side. :)

http://www.timvw.com/whooohooo/palin_daughter.jpg


In yet other news; "McCain is now sending 8 staffers (http://www.andrewhalcro.com/vetting_the_veep_post_announcement) to little Wasilla to do the vetting. Hotel rooms are booked in the local hotel." Doesn't seem to be a joke, I hope they have it done before the election? :nonono2: :rolleyes2


Best set of links to various web sites/pics on this I've found; http://www.reddit.com/comments/6f3nq/coverup_alaska_gov_palin_r_announced_she_was

[bklyn]

I don't think this is an issue of someone being "non-traditional". It is an interesting collection of admittedly circumstantial, but nonetheless coherent, evidence that someone is possibly less than honest & less than transparent. Someone who, in contrast to let's say Hillary Clinton, has no meaningful "record" whatsoever.

I don't care if someone is gay. I care if they out and out lie about it while seeking my trust and respect. I sure don't care about someone's gender. I don't care about the color of their skin. And I care little about someone's religion unless the way they express it makes me think they will cross the line between personal faith and theocracy. And I don't care how a family handles their private matters - but I care if someone preaching about honesty and transparency lives their life in a markedly different way while asking me to trust them.

When I first read the rumor, I laughed. But for yucks I poked around. And indeed many of the breadcrumbs had existed for months - notably in the AK media. And interestingly, many google thumbnails led to 404s on the AK state site. And if you've been around the pregnancy/delivery thing much, the whole fly back across the continent thing is very strange. If, and it remains a modest if, the reporting on this is accurate, the most optimistic conclusion is an incompetent doc and a not too on the ball and irresponsible patient...

There are so many other reasons to call her judgment into question, but the babygate bs has nothing to do with policy. Stupid stories that wouldn't pass the smell test for traditional candidates tend to stick to these three. People abandon their critical thinking and have a tendency to believe any old rumor because they just don't want the candidates in office. It's amazing how they grasp any old straw.

I think it's BS for the reasons I stated. In addition, if someone else was having the baby, she could have invented a more flattering time line for getting back home ex post facto. Younger women pop out babies so quickly and easily. I doubt the daughter could have held on until mom flew back home.

Yeah, it seems weird at first glance that she wants to go home to have the child, but after 4 other pregnancies I don't think she's as freaked out about getting to the hospital as a first time mom. Women tend to be attached to their ob/gyn of choice. She probably didn't want to go through the whole thing without her husband, family and doctor and took the long flights home to avoid pushing the kid out amongst strangers.

Plus, we're missing a whole other potential coup. Her daughter is pregnant and the parents support the kid and create an environment where she can have the baby without resorting to abortion.

As I said before, I might be wrong. Still, the whole thing is so implausible, apply Occam's razor and it just seems ridiculous that this public figure covered up a pregnancy scandal in that manner.

[woodstocksez]

There are so many other reasons to call her judgment into question, but the babygate bs has nothing to do with policy. Stupid stories that wouldn't pass the smell test for traditional candidates tend to stick to these three. People abandon their critical thinking and have a tendency to believe any old rumor because they just don't want the candidates in office. It's amazing how they grasp any old straw.

Traditional candidates are never smeared with irrelevant BS (and, more particularly, things not related to policy)? Are you kidding? And, in any event, not only things having to do with policy are relevant in considering a candidate.


I think it's BS for the reasons I stated. In addition, if someone else was having the baby, she could have invented a more flattering time line for getting back home ex post facto. Younger women pop out babies so quickly and easily. I doubt the daughter could have held on until mom flew back home.

Yeah, it seems weird at first glance that she wants to go home to have the child, but after 4 other pregnancies I don't think she's as freaked out about getting to the hospital as a first time mom. Women tend to be attached to their ob/gyn of choice. She probably didn't want to go through the whole thing without her husband, family and doctor and took the long flights home to avoid pushing the kid out amongst strangers.

I've forgotten whatever I might have read about how quickly young 'uns give birth, but I know both from what I've read and stories I've been told that women who've given birth four previous times tend to drop kid number five like a bowel movement, and I'd have guessed the latter scenario to be more likely to result in a quick birth than the former. If true, that timeline leading up to the birth seems more than just weird (strong likelihood that she'd be pushing the baby out among not only strangers, but strangers unqualified to help; not supposed to fly at 8 months; Down syndrome baby).


Plus, we're missing a whole other potential coup. Her daughter is pregnant and the parents support the kid and create an environment where she can have the baby without resorting to abortion.

As I said before, I might be wrong. Still, the whole thing is so implausible, apply Occam's razor and it just seems ridiculous that this public figure covered up a pregnancy scandal in that manner.

And, yes, it just seems ridiculous. Why would she think she'd get away with it? What would her motivation be? (You point out one way they could have spun an alternative reality to advantage.) When I first read about this I thought it seemed way too wacky to possibly be true and I still think so.

[Summit]

Again, Blkyn nails this on the head.


And, yes, it just seems ridiculous. Why would she think she'd get away with it? What would her motivation be? (You point out one way they could have spun an alternative reality to advantage.) When I first read about this I thought it seemed way too wacky to possibly be true and I still think so.

To protect her daughter and the baby from ridicule?


I said when Bill was in office that one's sex and private life is just that and as long as its between consenting adults, I don't care. I stand by it for Spitzer, Craig, and Edwards and finally Palin. However, I can't help but laugh that her whole life is being investigated all the while she wants to overturn Roe v Wade which is based on privacy. I hope she cracks and it ruins her career/life.

I agree but I hooe she changes her mind and is respected for it...

*sigh* like that'll happen (either clause)

[woodstocksez]

... To protect her daughter and the baby from ridicule? ...

Yes, OK. I was unclear. It's not that I can't imagine any motivations, just that I can't imagine any significant enough to warrant attempting such a ruse. I can't imagine Palin would believe that her daughter having a baby at 16 or 17 is so shameful for either her or her daughter that she'd decide faking a pregnancy was a better option.

[Summit]

Yes, OK. I was unclear. It's not that I can't imagine any motivations, just that I can't imagine any significant enough to warrant attempting such a ruse. I can't imagine Palin would believe that her daughter having a baby at 16 or 17 is so shameful for either her or her daughter that she'd decide faking a pregnancy was a better option.

Social conventions and propreity vary by community and the ferocity of the repercussions are magnified by being a politician.

Again, I still think Sarah is the mama

[edg]

You've got to feel sorry for the young lady, though. First, she was a bit chubby, but in Alaska who would notice. Next, thousands of people across the world are saying you're such a fattie that they think you're pregnant. Pretty harsh.

edg

[woodstocksez]

Social conventions and propreity vary by community and the ferocity of the repercussions are magnified by being a politician.

I know all that (though I'm not especially clued in to Alaskan culture or, I think, most of the other communities of which she's part). The ferocity of the repercussions for faking a pregnancy are also magnified by being a politician. Even in trying to allow for the former, the risk of the latter seems to me to strongly outweigh it.

Anyway, just seems way too goofy to be true. Count me as blown away if it is.

[MassLiberal]

I agree summit. I don't think this baby-gate thing is an issue, but I do think that McCain has some serious heat coming his way because of the obviously inept vetting process his campaign conducted. There are other, real bombshells that could rattle confidence in Palin as they are trying "tell her story" to the American people. The fact that she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party (pro secessionist) will not go over well with the patriotic blue collar voters (aka reagan dems) that McCain is trying to court.

[RootSkier]

The best part is that everybody blames DailyKos. Hilarious. It's like everyone blaming The Suit and TGR for every one of Jer's retarded threads.

[Helldawg]

Man this sure does look sketchy...

She doesn't seem like a fool, and she'd def. be a fool to try and lie on something like this.

Maybe she figured she'd be able to squeak it by the Alaskan people, since the lower 48 generally doesn't give a shit what goes on there if it doesn't involve drilling or heli-skiing.

Now, being thrust into the national spotlight, she can't keep it under wraps...

The next few days should tell the tale. If it's her baby, then say hello to your new president, Barack HUSSEIN Obama bin Biden.

[Phill]

Barack HUSSEIN Obama bin Biden.

What exactly is the big deal about his middle name that warrants complete capitalization? That he shares it with the former president of Iraq? So what?

[The Dad]

What exactly is the big deal about his middle name that warrants complete capitalization? That he shares it with the former president of Iraq? So what?

Duh.....

[Tippster]

Welcome to the world of "Blogging." The fact that many people (most under 30) think these "news" sources are more trustworthy than the traditional ones (none of which ran this story) is indicative of the mindset of these folks. "Tell me what I want to hear, if you don't there are 10000 others who will."

This is the fallout from Clinton getting a hummer from Lewinsky. It shouldn't have mattered then, either.

[Adolf Allerbush]

What exactly is the big deal about his middle name that warrants complete capitalization? That he shares it with the former president of Iraq? So what?


Because it means he's a Muslim terrorist dewd! He's going to blow up the US if he gets elected!!!! He's also black and scary! At least according to the republican douchebags here.

[Trackhead]

You've got to feel sorry for the young lady, though. First, she was a bit chubby, but in Alaska who would notice. Next, thousands of people across the world are saying you're such a fattie that they think you're pregnant. Pretty harsh.

edg

A 17 year old with a growing pannus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannus).

[Jim S]

Reminds me of Desperate Housewives,

You watch that show?

[edg]

A 17 year old with a growing pannus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannus).

Hey, you know what topic I didn't want to know any more about?

That. That fucking topic.

"Skin conditions such as yeast infections under the pannus are common problems"

edg

[GimpToo]

Fox News just reported that Sarah Palin is announcing that her 17 year old unmarried daughter is pregnant and will marry the father of the baby!?!?!?!?!?!

[Rubicon]

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901

[Adolf Allerbush]

I still think McSame will drop Palin like a sack of shit...

[The Dad]

You watch that show?

Gordy and me both.

It puts hair on the mangina.

[The AD]

The Today Show just announced that Bristol Palin is five months pregnant now and will marry the father. That's great. Every 17 year old should be married. :rolleyes:

I believe bklyn is wrong. This does have to do with policy because Palin is a strong believer in abstinence only sex education. Look how great it worked for her own family.

[GimpToo]

I still think McSame will drop Palin like a sack of shit...

Fox reporting that McCain knew about the pregnancy and Fiorina is hoping it will only be looked upon as a personal family matter.

[skimasterflex]

There are so many other reasons to call her judgment into question, but the babygate bs has nothing to do with policy.

If she is capable of this type of major deceit then her Policy is not one in which honesty to the people she has been elected to serve has any bearing on her decisions! Attacking a potential candidates character is substantive and effective politicking because people need to believe that good policy comes from good honest representatives. If she is this dishonest then how could her policy care about the people? Republicans will have to start asking themselves these questions because the vast majority of straight ticket Repub voters don't actually benefit from Republican policies.

Who gets the major benefit of republican tax policies? Big businesses, that is factual everyone knows it. Over TWO THIRDS of businesses operating in or doing business in the US over the last ten years have claimed 0 tax liability! That is according to the IRS and was reported in the SF Chronicle 2 weeks ago.

Her policy and what she stands for is a joke. Alaskan politicians are the most sold out and corrupt in the nation, and how could they not be with big oil in their face and in their bed.

I would not be the least bit surprised if she stole that baby from her daughter to help her public image.

And if she did it certainly has an effect on the way people will consider her policies because her core belief structures has been compromised by dishonesty. It isn't a question of which way she votes on things as it is what are her real reasons for voting that way? If she is this dishonest to the people than they must question whether everything she does in office is compromised by the same level of selfishness and greed that would drive her to pull a stunt like this.

[philippeR]

To rebut rumors, Palin says daughter, 17, pregnant

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN2944356420080901

Is this for real ?!

(and for the record, as a decadent french, I firmly believe she has every right to lie to the american public about those very private affairs. Even to have a private life inconsistent with her political views. But, yes, hes daughter should have learn how to use condoms or be on the pill. Abstinence does not work.)

[The AD]

hoping it will only be looked upon as a personal family matter.

Right. Because Sarah Palin feels so strongly that women's reproductive health issues are only personal family matters.

[Rubicon]

Is this for real ?!


Reuters seems to think so. Several other major news outlets are reporting it as well.

[powder11]

Reuters seems to think so. Several other major news outlets are reporting it as well.

OMG:eek: it must be true! :rolleyes:

[The Dad]

Oh please. The campaign issued a statement.

[RootSkier]

The McCain campaign issued a press release, you retard.

[The Dad]

RootSkier, get off my lawn!

[Smokey McPole]

She should have aborted it. I mean, why should she be "punished with a baby".

[timvwcom]

I feel sorry for the daughter (even though she had to spread her legs in the first place for this to happen)... I'm imagining how having a right wing Republican Mom would make it hard enough to tell them, then make Mom the Governor and the issue becomes public, NOW the whole VP candidate part pushes the daughters "mistake" out to the whole fucking nation. :eek: Ouch!!!

++++++++++++++++++++++VIBES++++++++++++++++++++++

[bklyn]

I don't agree with Palin's stance on a woman's right to abortion, but come on.

The daughter is pregnant. The mother never tried a cover up by pretending the baby she bore is not actually her daughter's child.

Did anyone ever ask Palin if her daughter is currently pregnant?
No. They asked if the downs baby was her daughter's child and they answered no truthfully.

Please point me to where she lied about this?!?

Sure, all the candidates' children are trotted on stage but the American public needs to give a respectful amount of space to minors. Is it really our business if the girl is not forced?

[lax]

so some horny 17 year old dude in alaska is about to ride the ultimate gravy train? kid's set for life. ahahah. legendary moment in hook up history?

[Long duc dong]

No one who is stupid enough to be against abortion has any business running a Dairy Queen, let alone a country.

[spindrift]

Did anyone ever ask Palin if her daughter is currently pregnant?
No. They asked if the downs baby was her daughter's child and they answered no truthfully.

Please point me to where she lied about this?!?


Ah, the ever popular Bill Clinton deposition defense...

[Tippster]

so some horny 17 year old dude in alaska is about to ride the ultimate gravy train? kid's set for life. ahahah. legendary moment in hook up history?

I actually feel sorry for the kid. Wonder how old he is to be forced into marriage for fucking up... pardon the pun.

[edg]

I actually feel sorry for the kid. Wonder how old he is to be forced into marriage for fucking up... pardon the pun.

Please god let it be AKPM.

edg

[gonehuckin]

This just keeps getting better.

This almost as good as Ted Haggert and Larry Craig wrapped into one. The hypocracy just has me rolling.

We want privacy for our daughter but not for yours (Roe v Wade). Abstinence only education works wonders.

[powder11]

The McCain campaign issued a press release, you retard.

saying what? certainly not that Palin lied about the downs kid really being her daughters which is what this thread is about and what I was referring to. post 1st, then smoke the crack.

[Dirty Hoar]

so some horny 17 year old dude in alaska is about to ride the ultimate gravy train? kid's set for life. ahahah. legendary moment in hook up history?

Ya... gravy train... riiiiiight

They say for a man to experience the equivalent level in pain you would have to pull your scrotum over your head.

r3nN2qalB3c

[RootSkier]

saying what? certainly not that Palin lied about the downs kid really being her daughters which is what this thread is about and what I was referring to. post 1st, then smoke the crack.

I think we all know who is smoking crack. Try reading what you wrote and what it was in response too again, buddy.

[patxi]

This is just getting ridiculous. To cover up the trail that Bristol Palin gave birth 4 1/2 months ago, they have now implanted a 5 month old fetus into her. When is this vicious circle going to end?

[Smokey McPole]

I can't really blame the resident Obamazombies for creaming in their jeans over this. They need something to give them hope.

On the other hand - will the media break their obsession with everything Obama now that this hudge scandal has come out? Maybe they'll actually pay some attention to that guy Palin's running with. Y'know the old dude....Whatshisname.

[Spats]

Sure, all the candidates' children are trotted on stage but the American public needs to give a respectful amount of space to minors. Is it really our business if the girl is not forced?

Sarah, her mother, is a rabid anti-choice zealot, and knowledge that her daughter had an abortion would destroy her political career. Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

I'm not sorry for bringing up this subject. The original rumor was half right: both Sarah and her daugher were pregnant.

And yes, her daughter's pregnancy is a campaign issue, because it shows that Sarah Palin has failed on both a personal level, as a mother, and on a policy level, because abstinence-only sex education has been proven by multiple studies to not work.

It's amazing how the Republicans have, once again, managed to field two morally bankrupt candidates. McCain dumps his first wife because she was crippled in a car accident and wasn't a beauty queen anymore, and marries a rich young heiress who pays his first wife to keep her mouth shut about it. Now we find that his VP is anti-choice, anti-science, anti-education, doesn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written by the Founders and doesn't contain "Under God" in its original wording, and can't keep her kids from getting pregnant in high school because her bizarre religious beliefs prevent her from teaching them how.

[The Dad]

This just seems like a total high-concept movie pitch.

[Helldawg]

Sarah, her mother, is a rabid PRO-LIFE zealot, and knowledge that her daughter had an abortion would destroy her political career. Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

I'm not sorry for bringing up this subject. The original rumor was half right: both Sarah and her daugher were pregnant.

And yes, her daughter's pregnancy is a campaign issue, because it shows that Sarah Palin has failed on both a personal level, as a mother, and on a policy level, because abstinence-only sex education has been proven by multiple studies to not work.

It's amazing how the Republicans have, once again, managed to field two morally bankrupt candidates. McCain dumps his first wife because she was crippled in a car accident and wasn't a beauty queen anymore, and marries a rich young heiress who pays his first wife to keep her mouth shut about it. Now we find that his VP is PRO-LIFE, anti-science, anti-education, doesn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written by the Founders and doesn't contain "Under God" in its original wording, and can't keep her kids from getting pregnant in high school because her bizarre religious beliefs prevent her from teaching them how.

Fixed it 4 ya...

[JoeStrummer]

This is just getting ridiculous. To cover up the trail that Bristol Palin gave birth 4 1/2 months ago, they have now implanted a 5 month old fetus into her. When is this vicious circle going to end?

I laughed.

If I had ten bucks for every 45 year old grandparent in Alaska with their unmarried (or married) kids and grandkids living in their basement, I could hire Marshal O to be my full-time ski valet. With a 5 month winter, XBOx is only going to entertain the teens for so long!

Sort of funny how quickly everyone was ready to grab a pitchfork and a rope based on blog heresay. No wonder 60% of you believe Iraq caused 9-11 and can't name our first president.

[uglymoney]

Now that it has been confirmed that Sarah's daughter is a dirty little slut I like the whole Palin family a little better. Maybe she does have a shot at helping McCain win this thing.

[rideit]

Dirty little sluts for Christ!

I like it.

[Summit]

Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

Uhhh... what? There is NO proof of that.

Now, I'm pro-choice. But it is entirely possible Bristol is not... or that she is but wanted to keep the baby.

PS Alaskan law says teens do NOT need parental consent to have an abortion.

[Phill]

Fixed it 4 ya...

isnt it essentially the same thing

[lax]

i mean i feel bad for both of the kids, but i think you'd be pressured into marriage sort of no matter who you are, i mean i'd at least think about proposing right (ie knocked up)?

i heard from my friend in AK (forget where) that the local HS kids are fucking insane drug addicts, as in finding needles in the bathrooms (i think because of the no daylight stuff)

[lax]

on a semi-serious note...remember when mccain released his encycopediodic medical records and only allowed like 3 hours or something rediculous for the press to scope them??? 4 years of teh presidency has to be like what ~10? years in a normal life. i mean say what you want about obama's inexperience, but the slight possibility of having palin as the POTUS scares the shit out of me.

[Elle Be]

I laughed.

If I had ten bucks for every 45 year old grandparent in Alaska with their unmarried (or married) kids and grandkids living in their basement, I could hire Marshal O to be my full-time ski valet. With a 5 month winter, XBOx is only going to entertain the teens for so long!

And across the country, too. I think this will give birth (pun intended) to a new voting bloc - the Young Grandmother. If they haven't voted before, they will now. McCain's camp has unwittingly stumbled upon a very sympathetic, and HUGE, group of previously non-voters.

[Dirty Hoar]

Wow, this is entertaining. But please don't judge the guy. He just woke up and is having deep thoughts. Funny. This is Palin's reaction to finding out his wife just won the mayoral race.

MIwpg_QsYnc

disclaimer: This has nothing to do with the real issues. Just entertainment, fake or not.

[Trackhead]

and can't keep her kids from getting pregnant in high school because her bizarre religious beliefs prevent her from teaching them how.

Come on. She's a 17 year old horny teenager, like every other teenager.
It's as simple as that. Saying this has some profound political significance is stretching it.

Focus on the issues that matter in this election, not the backstory.

[TruckeeLocal]

Focus on the issues that matter in this election, not the backstory.

The issue is her mother. Under her leadership her teenage daughter has an pregnancy at a ridiculously early age with no reasonable possibility of having it aborted. Where could she possibly lead the country ?

[Tippster]

Come on. She's a 17 year old horny teenager, like every other teenager.
It's as simple as that. Saying this has some profound political significance is stretching it.

Focus on the issues that matter in this election, not the backstory.

My parents had the talk with my sister when she was 13,telling her they understood the changes she was undergoing, that they were always going to help her and be on her side, and that sexual urges were nothing to be ashamed of or hide. When she was 15 sis came to me asking me to buy her condoms, which I immediately did, then told my mom. My mother reimbursed me, taking over the condom buying from then on and immediately scheduled an appointment with the OB-GYN to get her on the pill.

Closing your eyes to reality solves nothing. Wishing that a strong "values" upbringing is going to keep a "horny teenager" from having sex is retarded.

As we see in this case. I will bet you this girl did not have such open, frank discussions about sex with her repressed mom and that she certainly had no access to contraceptives, since that would make mommy look bad.

[Trackhead]

The issue is her mother. Under her leadership her teenage daughter has an pregnancy at a ridiculously early age with no reasonable possibility of having it aborted. Where could she possibly lead the country ?

Maybe she's teaching her daugher retrospectively to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS. Abortion is the easy way out.


Originally posted by Tippster-As we see in this case. I will bet you this girl did not have such open, frank discussions about sex with her repressed mom and that she certainly had no access to contraceptives, since that would make mommy look bad.

Speculation. Do you live with the family?

[L7]

Fixed it 4 ya...

That is the weakest tactic on here. No one exploits language more than the anti choice crowd. But you know what, it's their choice to use language as they please just as it's yours to. That ends when it comes to choosing what words you think someone else should use and changing a quote is complete bullshit, always has been. Anti choice pretty much sums up the intent which I guess you've made clear as you also think you have the right to choose other people's words for them as well as medical decisions. You don't so fuck you.

[Smokey McPole]

Focus on the issues that matter in this election, not the backstory.

Y'know, it's absolutely hilarious how everytime some right-wing dickbag like Hannity screams about Rev Wright or Aires or the latest stupid thing Michelle says all the TGR Obamazombies plead with everybody to look past the superficial bullshit and focus on the issues. Then, when somebody on the other side does something dumb it turns into a 10 page beat-off fest with all the issue-focused Obamazombies tripping over each other trying to win the prize for biggest hypocrite. Congrats, dudes, you ALL win. And lose.

:D

[David Witherspoon]

The best part is that everybody blames DailyKos. Hilarious. It's like everyone blaming The Suit and TGR for every one of Jer's retarded threads.
DailyKos is a brand name. I don't know or care what they're trying to do with it, and I don't know whether or not they exercise any editorial control over the content on their site, but the bottom line is this:
They let an irresponsible rumormonger (with more than a touch of tinhattery) post a very inflammatory, personal accusation backed by extremely weak ... I can't even call it evidence. :nonono2:

Prior to this, I had browsed their site a few times over the last few years, usually following a link regarding some claimed bit of news or insightful argument. I treated anything I read like standard internet chatter: confirm or forget.

But this puts them squarely in the company of freerepublic: ignore and forget.

[doughboyshredder]

Sarah, her mother, is a rabid anti-choice zealot, and knowledge that her daughter had an abortion would destroy her political career. Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

I'm not sorry for bringing up this subject. The original rumor was half right: both Sarah and her daugher were pregnant.

And yes, her daughter's pregnancy is a campaign issue, because it shows that Sarah Palin has failed on both a personal level, as a mother, and on a policy level, because abstinence-only sex education has been proven by multiple studies to not work.

It's amazing how the Republicans have, once again, managed to field two morally bankrupt candidates. McCain dumps his first wife because she was crippled in a car accident and wasn't a beauty queen anymore, and marries a rich young heiress who pays his first wife to keep her mouth shut about it. Now we find that his VP is anti-choice, anti-science, anti-education, doesn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written by the Founders and doesn't contain "Under God" in its original wording, and can't keep her kids from getting pregnant in high school because her bizarre religious beliefs prevent her from teaching them how.

Well said.

[MassLiberal]

DailyKos is a brand name. I don't know or care what they're trying to do with it, and I don't know whether or not they exercise any editorial control over the content on their site, but the bottom line is this:
They let an irresponsible rumormonger (with more than a touch of tinhattery) post a very inflammatory, personal accusation backed by extremely weak ... I can't even call it evidence. :nonono2:

Prior to this, I had browsed their site a few times over the last few years, usually following a link regarding some claimed bit of news or insightful argument. I treated anything I read like standard internet chatter: confirm or forget.

But this puts them squarely in the company of freerepublic: ignore and forget.

Unfortunately, they've been in that realm for some time. When Kos started, I actually enjoyed it, but now I find that it is filled with nuts who care more about tearing people down than facilitating meaningful discussions on the challenges that we as Americans face. As a community, they've become exactly what they all hated.

[TeleHoar]

Thank goodness for forward thinking young people like Jamie Lynn Spears who have broken that glass ceiling.

Preggo teenagers are teh new hotness.

[gonehuckin]

Thank goodness for forward thinking young people like Jamie Lynn Spears who have broken that glass ceiling.

Preggo teenagers are teh new hotness.

Babies are replacing small dogs as the newest fashion trend. I wonder when they'll start producing handbags that carry newborns.

[hutash]

But, yes, hes daughter should have learn how to use condoms or be on the pill. Abstinence does not work.)

Abstinence works 100% of the time if people actually abstain ( few horny teenagers can actually abstain.).

Abstinence as a national policy has been, and will always be a failure, and that is why this is, and should be news. Her is a woman who preaches this policy poised to be the next VP, and should McCain keel over, Prez. If she can't get it to work in her family, what makes her think it will work around the world (which of course the repubelicans wants to export this policy for AIDS and birth control in Africa and other places.)

Okay, so here is the next question...a bastard is a child born out of wedlock. So as long as you say I do before the kid is popped out it is okay, right?

It would be interesting to have a bastard in the White House, of course that would be nothing new to the Yurps here;)

Edit to add the obvious that we have had a bastard in the white house for 7 1/2 years.

[bklyn]

Sarah, her mother, is a rabid anti-choice zealot, and knowledge that her daughter had an abortion would destroy her political career. Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

I'm not sorry for bringing up this subject. The original rumor was half right: both Sarah and her daugher were pregnant.

And yes, her daughter's pregnancy is a campaign issue, because it shows that Sarah Palin has failed on both a personal level, as a mother, and on a policy level, because abstinence-only sex education has been proven by multiple studies to not work.

It's amazing how the Republicans have, once again, managed to field two morally bankrupt candidates. McCain dumps his first wife because she was crippled in a car accident and wasn't a beauty queen anymore, and marries a rich young heiress who pays his first wife to keep her mouth shut about it. Now we find that his VP is anti-choice, anti-science, anti-education, doesn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance wasn't written by the Founders and doesn't contain "Under God" in its original wording, and can't keep her kids from getting pregnant in high school because her bizarre religious beliefs prevent her from teaching them how.

The whole problem with this is... Baby Trig was born around the same time the daughter got knocked up. Maybe their pregnancies overlapped by a couple of weeks. There's no way the daughter was showing before her brother was born.

So all those pictures 'substantiating' the baby swap rumors can't be right. All those photos show is a plump teenager. It's a sad coincidence that the daughter is pregnant as people now have a bone to leap on that has little bearing on the campaign. All of the candidates have minor children and/or grandchildren and this type of speculation at the expense of these kids is low.

I haven't heard enough facts about Palin to know about her. From the look of things I don't agree with her take on many issues. That being said, I already stated what I think about this baseless attack on her personal life and choices.

The only thing this pregnancy proves is that two young people fucked. It doesn't tell you what her parents did or didn't teach her, what if any birth control she had available to her etc.

[stupendous man]

What I like about this is a healthy side plate of irony. Like a hurricane hitting New Orleans on a convention opening.

Irony notwithstanding, my gut tells me this is not good for the Repubs. Both events have taken landed direct hits on their "bounce" moment. Be interesting to see if McCain can deliver a speech that rights their ship, pun intended.

[Smokey McPole]

What I like about this is a healthy side plate of irony. Like a hurricane hitting New Orleans on a convention opening.

Irony notwithstanding, my gut tells me this is not good for the Repubs. Both events have taken landed direct hits on their "bounce" moment. Be interesting to see if McCain can deliver a speech that rights their ship, pun intended.

You're high right now, right?

:confused:

[Angry Whelk]

You're high right now, right?

:confused:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/us/politics/01repubs.html?ref=politics



Senator John McCain and his advisers decided on Sunday to halt all but the most essential activities for the Republican National Convention on Monday, sacrificing a major televised platform for his political message as Mr. McCain seeks to project a forceful response to the threat of Hurricane Gustav.




Convention planners and delegates in St. Paul said, and McCain advisers acknowledged, that it could be politically perilous to continue the convention as the Gulf Coast braces for the arrival of Hurricane Gustav. The Bush administration’s unsteady response to Hurricane Katrina, which left New Orleans in ruins three years ago, outraged Americans, drew criticism from Mr. McCain and remains, for many, a stain on President Bush’s record.

drown motherfucker.

[commonlaw]

Is anyone else curious to know if Tipp's sister is as horny today as she was when she was 15?

[hutash]

I fail to see why they need to post pone the convention, except because they will loose press coverage. What does this have to do with Bush's epic fail on Katrina?

[truth]

Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a cover up of the cover up of her previous pregnancy. She'll vanish from public eye ASAP and "miscarry" right after the election. Who wants odds?

[timvwcom]

Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a cover up of the cover up of her previous pregnancy. She'll vanish from public eye ASAP and "miscarry" right after the election. Who wants odds?

Of course due to the emotional trauma Bristol suffers after losing the child... Sarah will let Bristol adopt Trig to raise as her own child.

All My Daughters Children Of My Vice Presidential Election Life will return after this brief commercial announcement from Tide...

[Cliff Huckable]

Is this for real ?!

(and for the record, as a decadent french, I firmly believe she has every right to lie to the american public about those very private affairs. Even to have a private life inconsistent with her political views. But, yes, hes daughter should have learn how to use condoms or be on the pill. Abstinence does not work.)

Pregnant teens is an American thing, like wearing a baseball cap
I stumbled across this on a religious blog - I have no idea about the author or his beliefs, but here he's just reacting to the news reports on the high teen-pregnancy rate in the US:

From the (American, if it matters) blog, Conversations with God (http://blog.beliefnet.com/conversationswithgod/2008/09/when-less-is-more.html)
....
Dutch schools teach sex education and birth control pills are cheap and available. Yet Dutch girls are no more sexually active than American girls. Holland's teen-age pregnancy rate is 1/7th that of America's. American teen-agers have 12 to 14 times more abortions than Dutch teens.

The Dutch treat prostitutes, drug addicts, teen-age pot smokers and the terminally ill with respect. Not surprisingly, respect breeds responsibility, not license. The heroin addict uses a clean needle. The prostitute does not transmit disease. The teen uses birth control.

The Dutch's sense of mutual respect and collective responsibilty is deeply rooted.

I think instead of just blaming religious people, maybe we could look at the destructive influence TV characters/programs substituting as role models for real life, people trying to live up to the impossble standards of TV characters, etc...?

[Summit]

Bristol Palin's pregnancy is a cover up of the cover up of her previous pregnancy. She'll vanish from public eye ASAP and "miscarry" right after the election. Who wants odds?

My arm hurts and I figure you must be smoking something pretty powerful, what with the paranoid hatefull delusions, and I am hoping you will share the goods?

[truth]

My arm hurts and I figure you must be smoking something pretty powerful, what with the paranoid hatefull delusions, and I am hoping you will share the goods?


puff puff pass....lighten (or light) up Francis

[13]

Sarah, her mother, is a rabid anti-choice zealot, and knowledge that her daughter had an abortion would destroy her political career. Bristol Palin was indeed forced to have her child.

she was forced to have her child?!

dude, she's currently pregnant, she didn't have any child yet.


And yes, her daughter's pregnancy is a campaign issue, because it shows that Sarah Palin has failed on both a personal level, as a mother, and on a policy level, because abstinence-only sex education has been proven by multiple studies to not work.

bristol palin's pregnancy shows one thing and one thing only -- that she had sex with a male of the same species.

if anything, it shows sarah palin's commitment to supporting bristol even after she went against her mother's belief in abstinence until marraige.

[Angry Whelk]

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/01/palin-hires-lawyer-on-trooper-inquiry/
troopergate now hovers above

palin has posibilty for past weakness levee systems.

[Smokey McPole]

You guys are forgetting one very important thing: these people are Republicans. Do you honestly think this wasn't planned out months ago? These people are evil incarnate - they don't leave anything to chance. They're already planning their strategy for the 2016 election (after Palin has served 1 3/4 terms as pres.). Believe me - there is some devious way that this will all be a huge benefit to them. Beware! Nothing is as it seem!






















Boo!

[The AD]

Maybe she's teaching her daugher retrospectively to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS. Abortion is the easy way out.

Sort of like prison sentences retroactively teach murderers they shouldn't kill people? I guess I'm in favor of a more proactive approach, personally.

[Rubicon]

I fail to see why they need to post pone the convention, except because they will loose press coverage.


Because some Dems are craven enough to use it as a campaign issue.

Imagine video of smiling, happy, laughing, flag waving convention goers on a split screen with video of Gustov tearing the roof off a day care on the other half of the screen. A very grave sounding voice over says "While the republicans partied in Minneapolis, New Orleans was destroyed again. Are these really the people we need running our country?" The last 5 seconds of the commercial has recognizable GOP leaders laughing and raising plastic cups for a toast on one half of the screen and a woman, chest deep in a raging flood, loseing her footing, reaching off screen in driving rain, screaming "my baby, my baby, somebody save my baby" on the other half of the screen. The screen goes black and the grave sounding voice says "Can we really afford four more years of this kind of leadership?"

Granted, whoever ran an add like that would get crucified for exploiting a tragedy but this campaign could get really dirty toward the end. If you can help it, you do not give your enemy a stick to beat you with. The GOP had no choice but to put things on hold until Gustov was more of a known quantity.

[Summit]

Sort of like prison sentences retroactively teach murderers they shouldn't kill people? I guess I'm in favor of a more proactive approach, personally.

Teehee you just compared motherhood to POUND ME IN THE ASS PRISON TEEHEE

[Smokey McPole]

IMO Obama is a weak enough candidate as it is, but I think the thing that's really gonna get McCain elected are the freakshow super-left hatefilled minions. What Obama said today about this whole thing was pretty cool, but the hate-everything-republican crowd will likely keep beating a dead horse and will likely come up with other bizarre theories about McCain and Palin. People notice this shit and the truth is that most Americans don't like douchebags. Obama's got some freaky ideas, but in his heart he's a decent guy. The same can't be said for the Obamazombie Minions. They're killing their cause with their own blind hatred. This whole baby thing will end up benefitting the Reps.

[Nathan Explosion]

Zogby is showing McCain/Palin with a 2 point lead, supposedly.

[BSS]

Zogby is showing McCain/Palin with a 2 point lead, supposedly.

...and they'll continue to gain points in the polls as well as media attention for as long as they decide to postpone the convention, then during, and for quite a while thereafter. Meanwhile, drawing closer and closer to election day.

John Kerry came off the DNC with all the momentum in the world as well as something like a 15% voter stat poll swing IIRC, and still ended up getting flattened by a loser. This will not fare well for Obama et al.

At least in the short run.

[David Witherspoon]

I can't believe nobody has yet told us to
LEEEAAAVE BRISTOL ALOOONE!!! PLEaSE!
yet.

Obama over McCain by 4.5 points on average. (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/)

[Angry Whelk]

IMO....


IMO you are drown.
loudest screeching regressive disturb.
with deepest annoy whelk is compel,
you fucking suck.

shinjuku, motherfucker

[Lonnie]

Because some Dems are craven enough to use it as a campaign issue.

Swiftboat veterans for truth....

[Rubicon]

Swiftboat veterans for truth....


As soon as I posted that without including the "Dems(as well as some republicans if the tables were turned)" that I thought about including I knew there would be some petulant, insecure liberal who would throw out the "wellwellyoursidedoesittoo". Does every statement have to be qualified with every possible qualifier?


Lonnie, what do the swift boaters have to do with the fact that there exist Dems who would use Gustov for political gain if given the chance? No innuendo. No implied statments. Can you do it?

[Cliff Huckable]

IMO Obama is a weak enough candidate as it is, but I think the thing that's really gonna get McCain elected are the freakshow super-left hatefilled minions. What Obama said today about this whole thing was pretty cool, but the hate-everything-republican crowd will likely keep beating a dead horse and will likely come up with other bizarre theories about McCain and Palin. People notice this shit and the truth is that most Americans don't like douchebags. Obama's got some freaky ideas, but in his heart he's a decent guy. The same can't be said for the Obamazombie Minions. They're killing their cause with their own blind hatred. This whole baby thing will end up benefitting the Reps.

I agree about the hate-everything-Republicans-do crowd, but I think McCain will win because his ideas are closer to the country's collective thinking/spirit/whatever. Obama would do better in Holland or Canada or France, if one of those countries needed a temporary swing to the right.

McCain will win.

[Cliff Huckable]

IMO Obama is a weak enough candidate as it is, but I think the thing that's really gonna get McCain elected are the freakshow super-left hatefilled minions. What Obama said today about this whole thing was pretty cool, but the hate-everything-republican crowd will likely keep beating a dead horse and will likely come up with other bizarre theories about McCain and Palin. People notice this shit and the truth is that most Americans don't like douchebags. Obama's got some freaky ideas, but in his heart he's a decent guy. The same can't be said for the Obamazombie Minions. They're killing their cause with their own blind hatred. This whole baby thing will end up benefitting the Reps.

I agree about the hate-everything-Republicans-do crowd, but I think McCain will win because his ideas are closer to the country's collective thinking/spirit/whatever. Obama would do better in Holland or Canada or France, if one of those countries needed a temporary swing to the right.

McCain will win.



LEEEAAAVE BRISTOL ALOOONE!!! PLEaSE!


*Applause*

[Rubicon]

I agree about the hate-everything-Republicans-do crowd, but I think McCain will win because his ideas are closer to the country's collective thinking/spirit/whatever. Obama would do better in Holland or Canada or France, if one of those countries needed a temporary swing to the right.




Cliff actually has a moment of clarity. Did you hit your head or something? :wink:

[lax]

its a campaign issue because people are fucking retarded. all over this country, tons of retards. who DO care about this shit. i don't care about it, but i know that the retards do, and they are the majority. if dems can change their mind over some stupid shit good on ya. thats how a democracy is supposed to work, right?

i mean i'm only 22, but the swiftboat ads were one of the dirtiest tricks i've seen in politics (given the setting especially)...the 2000 mccain's bastard black kid poll trick is right up there too. they weren't stretching the truth, spinning it, or anything of that nature. kerry reacted inappropriately to the ads, but still...just a fucking blatant lie. kerry was in vietnam ferchrissakes... if i were in charge of the kerry campaign i would have been fucking furious once that thing grew legs and would have immediately threw up ads with

"do you seriously want THIS man as your president?"
and
http://www.infowars.com/images2/Bush/cheerleader.jpg

for 30 seconds


that still pisses me off now that i think about it. the equivalent would have been obama running that story not some dude at teh dailykos

[steepconcrete]

It doesn't tell you what her parents did or didn't teach her, what if any birth control she had available to her etc.

well, it says one a few things. that teaching abstinence didnt work, or she was taught about birth control, used it and it failed (it does happen)....or paulin just was asleep at the wheel and teens were being teens.

i dont see any positive parenting points comming out of this.

[sftc]

...I think McCain will win because his ideas are closer to the country's collective thinking/spirit/whatever....
McCain will win.

Saved for the fun of it, right or wrong.
It will be a sad day if you're right about our country's 'whatever' factor. Ignorant fucks.

And I was out for a while. Did I miss the pics of Cliff Huckable actually making a turn or doing anything other then spout as a Canadian girl?

[Spats]

IMO Obama is a weak enough candidate as it is, but I think the thing that's really gonna get McCain elected are the freakshow super-left hatefilled minions.

Can I have what you're smoking? Every single Obama supporter in the entire country could throw the biggest tantrum of their life, and they still would not approach the freakiness, and the hatred felt for the rest of the world, by a single family of Christian Dominionists. Or any mildly famous Republican personality like Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, or Coulter. Or Karl Rove.

[Spats]

The only thing this pregnancy proves is that two young people fucked. It doesn't tell you what her parents did or didn't teach her, what if any birth control she had available to her etc.

Sarah Palin is solidly anti-abortion and anti-choice, and is a member of "Feminists for Life".
Sarah Palin even opposes legal abortion for rape and incest victims.
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/101906/sta_20061019031.shtml
Sarah Palin supports abstinence-only sex education.
Sarah Palin supports the teaching of Biblical myth as equal to science in high school.
Sarah Palin is Pentecostal.

Imagine the political fallout for Sarah Palin if it were revealed that one of her children had an abortion. It should be clear what Sarah Palin has taught her children...

...and that Bristol Palin has no choice at all.

[Ripzalot]

i mean i'm only 22, but the swiftboat ads were one of the dirtiest tricks i've seen in politics (given the setting especially)...
ORLY??

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Killian_memos_MSWord_animated.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate

[bklyn]

Sarah Palin is solidly anti-abortion and anti-choice, and is a member of "Feminists for Life".
Sarah Palin even opposes legal abortion for rape and incest victims.
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/101906/sta_20061019031.shtml
Sarah Palin supports abstinence-only sex education.
Sarah Palin supports the teaching of Biblical myth as equal to science in high school.
Sarah Palin is Pentecostal.

Imagine the political fallout for Sarah Palin if it were revealed that one of her children had an abortion. It should be clear what Sarah Palin has taught her children...

...and that Bristol Palin has no choice at all.

What people support and what goes on in their household can often be very different things. Let's agree to disagree in this area since we cannot know the truth with certainty. My opinion is very similar to Obama's. The kids should not be a part of our political discourse.


I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people’s families are off limits, and people’s children are especially off limits. This shouldn’t be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin’s performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president.
Even if you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong, there's nothing illegal about the parenting going on here. It appears that you feel an abortion should have been offered to this girl. What if she wants to keep the baby? The right to choose implies that there can be more than one outcome.

America is going to be completely distracted by the 'baby scandal' this week.
The whole babyswap debacle is going to be spun as liberals grasping at any barely credulous rumor to discredit Palin.
The disdain at her kid's teen pregnancy angle will be spun as an 'attack on motherhood and the family'.
Pro choicers will be painted as devils who would snatch a babe from the womb of a teen because she is unwed.
Palin is going to come out smelling like a rose for carrying a downs baby and supporting her daughter's pregnancy.

The real issues: her fitness to pick up should McCain croak, lack of exposure to global affairs, and the fact that she is already under investigation for mishandling her power as governor will be buried.

1q5t4g5SM0c

[axebiker]

It's Alaska - what do you do besides drink, hunt, ski, fish, and fornicate? I mean, what else could we expect form such a bunch of simpletons? :rolleyes2

[Tuckerman]

Sarah Palin is solidly anti-abortion and anti-choice, and is a member of "Feminists for Life".
Sarah Palin even opposes legal abortion for rape and incest victims.
http://www.juneauempire.com/stories/101906/sta_20061019031.shtml
Sarah Palin supports abstinence-only sex education.
Sarah Palin supports the teaching of Biblical myth as equal to science in high school.
Sarah Palin is Pentecostal.

Imagine the political fallout for Sarah Palin if it were revealed that one of her children had an abortion. It should be clear what Sarah Palin has taught her children...


For sure some good stuff in that article.

Smith said the important thing about Palin's abortion views is that she wouldn't be proposing new anti-abortion legislation, and that while her views on the subject are firm, she's not running for office to advocate for them.

[TeleHoar]

Question for Mrs. Palin:

How many trailers do you own?

[Cono Este]

I think its hilarious that the Prophet himself was born to a young mother practically on her own.

Good thing for you guys she kept him.

[hutash]

Question for Mrs. Palin:

How many trailers do you own?

"I'll have my aides get back to you on that."


I think its hilarious that the Prophet himself was born to a young mother practically on her own.

Good thing for you guys she kept him.

It would have saved us a lot of this trouble if she had;)

There would be no religious right.

[Lonnie]

It's Alaska - what do you do besides drink, hunt, ski, fish, and fornicate?

You forgot mine for whatever and drill for oil...

[cdlv]

You forgot mine for whatever and drill for oil...

and ride snowmachines

[The AD]

Lonnie, what do the swift boaters have to do with the fact that there exist Dems who would use Gustov for political gain if given the chance?

You don't think McCain used Gustav for political gain? He's been acting like he's already the President in his reaction to the hurricane. Total pandering, IMO.

[Lonnie]

You don't think McCain used Gustav for political gain? He's been acting like he's already the President in his reaction to the hurricane. Total pandering, IMO.

Spot on.

[P_McPoser]

and ride snowmachines


You forgot mine for whatever and drill for oil...

FKNA! Alaska here I come!

[Cono Este]

"I'll have my aides get back to you on that."



It would have saved us a lot of this trouble if she had;)

There would be no religious right.

No nitwit, your Prophet. Obama.

[Adolf Allerbush]

What people support and what goes on in their household can often be very different things. Let's agree to disagree in this area since we cannot know the truth with certainty. My opinion is very similar to Obama's. The kids should not be a part of our political discourse.


Even if you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong, there's nothing illegal about the parenting going on here. It appears that you feel an abortion should have been offered to this girl. What if she wants to keep the baby? The right to choose implies that there can be more than one outcome.

America is going to be completely distracted by the 'baby scandal' this week.
The whole babyswap debacle is going to be spun as liberals grasping at any barely credulous rumor to discredit Palin.
The disdain at her kid's teen pregnancy angle will be spun as an 'attack on motherhood and the family'.
Pro choicers will be painted as devils who would snatch a babe from the womb of a teen because she is unwed.
Palin is going to come out smelling like a rose for carrying a downs baby and supporting her daughter's pregnancy.

The real issues: her fitness to pick up should McCain croak, lack of exposure to global affairs, and the fact that she is already under investigation for mishandling her power as governor will be buried.

1q5t4g5SM0c

I think you're missing the deal here. See, Palin is a staunch pro-lifer and a big time Bible rocker....now, if she can't motivate even her own children to follow her beliefs (i.e. don't bone before you're married...don't have kids out of wedlock...blah blah blah) how can she possibly inspire the US populace to do what she suggests is "right"?

As for her daughters motivation in having the kid who knows what's going on besides the daughter...but I think we can assume that her mom is pressuring her into having the kid...no way she'd allow her to have an abortion...

And it amazes me that you think she's going to come out smelling like roses for carrying her DS kid to term and then pawning the kid off on some caretaker while she tries to become VP...and lets say she becomes the VP, what happens to the DS kid then? I'm not sure what expr. you have with DS kids but the ammount of work raising them is not apples to apples when compared to non-mentally handicapped kids....they don't develop as fast and take a lot more work...work that both her and her husband will need to dedicate to the kid...to pawn that responsibility off on some caretaker just so she can selfishly attempt to become VP is ludicrous in my opinion. why not wait till the kid is older...she's relatively young and could have a long career in politics...

Beyond all of that she's just a horribly unqualified person to be the VP...especially with the good chance of McCain dying in office.

[Trackhead]

http://fritzrips.com/Gallery1/albums/fx1/2817594152_9388008ccd_1.jpg

[RootSkier]

OMFG :fm:

[DBdude]

I think its hilarious that the Prophet himself was born to a young mother practically on her own.

Good thing for you guys she kept him.

yeah, I want to live my life by the social mores of 2000 years ago. Stoning anyone?

[The Dad]

http://fritzrips.com/Gallery1/albums/fx1/2817594152_9388008ccd_1.jpg

For the sake of all that is holy, please let there be no comparable picture of Biden.

[Tippster]

http://fritzrips.com/Gallery1/albums/fx1/2817594152_9388008ccd_1.jpg

If that was real I'd consider voting for her....

no, I wouldn't.

[truth]

I think its hilarious that the Prophet himself was born to a young mother practically on her own.

Good thing for you guys she kept him.

Your feeble attempt to insinuate that pro-choice means pro-abortion has failed miserably.

[Trackhead]

If that was real I'd consider voting for her....

no, I wouldn't.

I'd vote for the guy smokin with the cheap beer.

[Summit]

Your feeble attempt to insinuate that pro-choice means pro-abortion has failed miserably.

Seems to me that Spats is insinuating that by claiming Bristol hasn't aborted and that is ipso facto proof that her mother is forcing her to have the baby.

[bklyn]

...to pawn that responsibility off on some caretaker just so she can selfishly attempt to become VP is ludicrous in my opinion. why not wait till the kid is older...she's relatively young and could have a long career in politics...

We already know you want her to remain at home, barefoot, with at least 1 kid on the teat at all times. You believe it's the height of selfishness for her to cross the threshold of the home unless she's shuttling the kids around or doing other womanly duties until every single one of the kids is out of the house. :rolleyes2

I don't share her religious zeal or her views on abortion rights. I have no idea if she's forcing the daughter to have the kid or the girl just loves babies. Whether or not this is our business is debatable, but you should recognize that many people admire her for her apparently unwavering religious views. They admire her for her anti abortion stance. They admire her for not aborting the problem child because she already has a political career and it would be easier to get rid of it and concentrate on her existing children. They admire her for not going apeshit and supporting her daughter through what must be a bible thumper's nightmare. Many people juggle work demands and family and cannot choose to quit working when unexpected problems or illness strikes. You better believe they will relate to this woman.

Grabbing on to the babygate/should be a SAHM/who does she think she is/bullshit makes it appear that you have nothing else of substance to discuss about her. Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Reproduction is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Gender and race are not either. Pose your argument as to why she should or should not be a heartbeat away without bringing up any of the polarizing issues and maybe you might have a valid point.

Instead you should stick to the real issues which aren't wrapped up in bias on why she shouldn't be VP.

[Cono Este]

Your feeble attempt to insinuate that pro-choice means pro-abortion has failed miserably.


No, I was just trying to jump on the bandwagon and make fun of teenage pregnancy. Im still looking for angle into the whole babies with Down Syndrone jokes.

[Tye 1on]

I'm with the 'leave the kids out of it' camp. It's gotta be tough for Palin, knowing this was going to come out and that it would turn in to a shitshow. The only question i'd be interested in is whether it effected her position/opinion on abstinence only.

It'll be interesting to see how this shakes out, how that ticket does. Read an interesting perspective in the Post...If a person takes all their money to Vegas, bets on red and wins, they would be considered to be very lucky, but you would not think the decision to put it all on red was wise...

[Toadman]

Grabbing on to the babygate/should be a SAHM/who does she think she is/bullshit makes it appear that you have nothing else of substance to discuss about her. Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Reproduction is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Gender and race are not either. Pose your argument as to why she should or should not be a heartbeat away without bringing up any of the polarizing issues and maybe you might have a valid point.

Instead you should stick to the real issues which aren't wrapped up in bias on why she shouldn't be VP.

Problem is the media likes to frame things under gender/race/religion. And there are millions of registered voters who vote based on these issues. Now if you could just get that point across to CNN, FOX, ABC, MSNBC, CBS, NBC and all the print media...

[gonehuckin]

We already know you want her to remain at home, barefoot, with at least 1 kid on the teat at all times. You believe it's the height of selfishness for her to cross the threshold of the home unless she's shuttling the kids around or doing other womanly duties until every single one of the kids is out of the house. :rolleyes2

I don't share her religious zeal or her views on abortion rights. I have no idea if she's forcing the daughter to have the kid or the girl just loves babies. Whether or not this is our business is debatable, but you should recognize that many people admire her for her apparently unwavering religious views. They admire her for her anti abortion stance. They admire her for not aborting the problem child because she already has a political career and it would be easier to get rid of it and concentrate on her existing children. They admire her for not going apeshit and supporting her daughter through what must be a bible thumper's nightmare. Many people juggle work demands and family and cannot choose to quit working when unexpected problems or illness strikes. You better believe they will relate to this woman.

Grabbing on to the babygate/should be a SAHM/who does she think she is/bullshit makes it appear that you have nothing else of substance to discuss about her. Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Reproduction is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Gender and race are not either. Pose your argument as to why she should or should not be a heartbeat away without bringing up any of the polarizing issues and maybe you might have a valid point.

Instead you should stick to the real issues which aren't wrapped up in bias on why she shouldn't be VP.



Having had a working mother my entire life, I couldn't agree more. Except, we are talking about one of the most stressful and important jobs in the world. I wouldn't want a man elected to this office if he had a newborn either. Much less a newborn with such a disability. Have you ever read what the POTUS's day looks like? Its up early, deal with and make decisions of the highest level all day, and then to bed late. The POTUS never stops working. Even when he/she is on "vacation", they are constantly being briefed, in meetings, and altering the course of history.

A newborn requires considerable time and dependence on its mother. If this kid was five or six, this wouldn't be an issue.

Imagine if she needs to take a two week trip to Iraq. Does the six month old with DS come along?

[Adolf Allerbush]

We already know you want her to remain at home, barefoot, with at least 1 kid on the teat at all times. You believe it's the height of selfishness for her to cross the threshold of the home unless she's shuttling the kids around or doing other womanly duties until every single one of the kids is out of the house. :rolleyes2

I don't share her religious zeal or her views on abortion rights. I have no idea if she's forcing the daughter to have the kid or the girl just loves babies. Whether or not this is our business is debatable, but you should recognize that many people admire her for her apparently unwavering religious views. They admire her for her anti abortion stance. They admire her for not aborting the problem child because she already has a political career and it would be easier to get rid of it and concentrate on her existing children. They admire her for not going apeshit and supporting her daughter through what must be a bible thumper's nightmare. Many people juggle work demands and family and cannot choose to quit working when unexpected problems or illness strikes. You better believe they will relate to this woman.

Grabbing on to the babygate/should be a SAHM/who does she think she is/bullshit makes it appear that you have nothing else of substance to discuss about her. Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Reproduction is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Gender and race are not either. Pose your argument as to why she should or should not be a heartbeat away without bringing up any of the polarizing issues and maybe you might have a valid point.

Instead you should stick to the real issues which aren't wrapped up in bias on why she shouldn't be VP.

I agree that she should continue to work...I never said she should step down as governor of AK to stay home and take care of her DS kid....I don't think it's in her DS kids best interest for her seek a position that will further exacerbate her DS kids situation by limiting her ability to be a parent to the kid. Why is that so difficult to understand? Painting me as some sexist dude that thinks women should stay home too cook, clean and raise babies is dumb...and weakens your already tenuous arguement.

Further, the Dems and Reps make reproduction an issue by taking sides on the pro-choice vs pro-life issue. FYI Palin is a pro-lifer...To suggest as you have, that it isn't an issue that is politicized is disingenuous and makes you seem ill-informed. I don't think reproduction should be a political issue...unfortunately neither you nor I make that decision. Since it is a political issue I choose to accept that reality...you can choose not too...up to you.

As for a discussion other political issues related to Palin I'm game...the babygate thing is far from the most important reasons why she shouldn’t be VP...but, this just in, you’re posting in a thread entitled “Sarah Palin's baby is really her daughter's: now with pictures!”…therefore don’t be shocked at the content that lies therein….nevertheless with her stance on abortion, her holier than though attitude when it comes to religion and purporting of no sex before marriage, no babies out of wedlock, etc. etc. etc. she politicizes things, as do the republicans in general, that should be up to each person to determine for themselves.

Just because you don't like that things like this are politicized does not change the reality that abortion is a political issue.

[Cono Este]

Man you guys are not very progressive.

Ever hear of an at home Father??

[grrrr]

Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency.

Oh, if that were only so.

[PNWbrit]

Religion is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Reproduction is not a test for fitness to the presidency. Gender and race are not either.

With the greatest respect Bklyn.

Since her religion is so obviously and deliberately tied to many of her political platforms it is fair game.

This person wants to have children taught abstinence right after they are indoctrinated with creationism. To a degree how her pesonal life reflects these views is our business. If she wanted any degree of anonimity for them or her family she choose the wrong profession.

While I completely agree that her gender should be of zero importance - it clearly was important in her selection, indeed it was the sole reason. I think we should all be outraged at that.

I completely agree there are far hudger issues regarding her suitability.

[David Witherspoon]

For sure some good stuff in that article.
Smith said the important thing about Palin's abortion views is that she wouldn't be proposing new anti-abortion legislation, and that while her views on the subject are firm, she's not running for office to advocate for them.
Riiiight. She is merely running for office to draw the support - in cash and votes - of all the theocrats who fully expect her to advocate for anti-abortion legislation.

You're right, that is pretty rich stuff.

[David Witherspoon]

Oh, if that were only so.
Would be nice.
But since all candidates profess to be God-fearing Christians, the religious test is moot.

What does matter is the candidates' views on many issues where the religious right would like to legislate morals.

On that, bklyn, I think we can all agree.

[axebiker]

...if only Chelseas Clinton hadn't been such a homely troll, and GW's daughters hadn't been a little smarter than their dad... We could have had all this water under the bridge by now!

[bklyn]

With the greatest respect Bklyn.

Since her religion is so obviously and deliberately tied to many of her political platforms it is fair game.

This person wants to have children taught abstinence right after they are indoctrinated with creationism. To a degree how her personal life reflects these views is our business. If she wanted any degree of anonymity for them or her family she choose the wrong profession.

While I completely agree that her gender should be of zero importance - it clearly was important in her selection, indeed it was the sole reason. I think we should all be outraged at that.

I completely agree there are far hudger issues regarding her suitability.

So then you understand how protesting her vis a vis babygate, or her religious views, or whether or not she had a baby recently does not further your argument.

I'm not afraid that this woman will force her religion on the country. I'm more afraid that she won't be able to get anything done. This fear isn't based on any of her potential personal life distractions, or what church she attends, or if she's dumb enough to believe the stork dropped all 5 of her kids off. She's not going to get things done if McCain passes on and there are too many pressing issues domestically and globally to let that happen.

Her fitness to lead based on her experience (or lack thereof) and "trooper-gate" in Alaska are the only common ground talking point that you could reach with someone who is pro life, conservatively religious...

[yonskion]

I have 2 Uncle's that have lived in AK since the 60's 1 in Wasilla and 1 in Palmer, Both know the Palin's. 1 works with the Husband on the North Slope. I have emailed to get the dirt and have not heard back yet, when I do I'll let you know the truth or at least as close as they willl let me get.

[Spats]

Even if you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong, there's nothing illegal about the parenting going on here. It appears that you feel an abortion should have been offered to this girl. What if she wants to keep the baby? The right to choose implies that there can be more than one outcome.

No, I don't feel that, and I agree that the Palin family can make their own decisions -- this is America. I was just responding to your earlier quote that "It doesn't tell you what her [Bristol's] parents did or didn't teach her, what if any birth control she had available to her etc." AFAIK Bristol is still a minor, and rightly or wrongly, that means her freedom is limited by her parents' choices.

The important thing is that by electing anti-choice candidates, all of us will be put in Bristol Palin's position, whether we want to or not. And Sarah Palin's position, too: we are going to have to care for, at great public and personal expense, a whole lot of Down's Syndrome and other special needs kids if abortion is only legal to spare the life of the mother.

That's why this is, IMO, a legitimate public political issue.


America is going to be completely distracted by the 'baby scandal' this week.
The whole babyswap debacle is going to be spun as liberals grasping at any barely credulous rumor to discredit Palin.

With all due respect, the Left never learns this lesson. The Republicans will try to spin everything against you whether you play fair or not. Obama has learned a few things and handled this correctly: he has kept himself legitimately above the fray, knowing that journalism and the public will take this thing as far as it needs to go.

And it has: the rumor has forced the truth to come out, the real story is known, people can make their decisions based on the facts, and we can move on to the real issues.


The real issues: her fitness to pick up should McCain croak, lack of exposure to global affairs, and the fact that she is already under investigation for mishandling her power as governor will be buried.

1q5t4g5SM0c

I agree that these are much more important issues.

And if the baby issue hadn't been resolved, the speculation would have continued on and on until it had, overwhelming everything else. Think about it. Gossip rags can get *months* of mileage out of celebrity baby rumors. Is she or isn't she, and with who?

Now we can move on to the real problems.

[Buster Highmen]

Rupert Murdoch may be a shit, but he clearly understands peoples need for infinitely shallow spew.

For the record, I could give a shit about the baby and how she handles it within her family. What utter pap. Anyone muckraking with this angle is of genus suckwadlius colostomus.

But her religious affiliations are of significance to me if further investigation reveals her to be as much of a Christian Fundamentalist as it seems on the surface. Many of that ilk do desire to foist their religios view on America.

The two are not necessarily related.

Honestly, this is some seriously bizarre political strategy for McCain to have made such a choice. Is this a bait and switch?

[PNWbrit]

So then you understand how protesting her vis a vis babygate, or her religious views, or whether or not she had a baby recently does not further your argument.

I don't particularly care about her recent baby - other than.....


I'm not afraid that this woman will force her religion on the country.

I think she'd seek to remove other women's choice to make decisions about their own pregnancies based on them. Probably more than most other potential McCain runing mates.


Her fitness to lead based on her experience (or lack thereof) and "trooper-gate" in Alaska are the only common ground talking point that you could reach with someone who is pro life, conservatively religious...

There are lots of people planning on voting for McCain and now for her who aren't as entrenched in their views and might be persuaded otherwise by this all being discussed so widely, As long as the real issues you mention are talked about as well. But I'm not so sure her candidacy is going to last long enough to get to that point.

Most important of all is how this demonstrates McCain's complete lack of judgment (and that of the people around him who are going to be White house staffers and Cabinet posts should he win).

[PNWbrit]

Rupert Murdoch may be a shit, but he clearly understands peoples need for infinitely shallow spew.

As we recently discussed Murdoch's businesses sells people the news they demand...

His London Times editorializes rather well on the subject today (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4662774.ece)

At heart Murdoch remains a total shit bag.

[cloudpeak]

Palin has asked for privacy for her family, yet she has paraded her pregnant daughter and the Down Syndrome infant on the public stage. Palin herself has politicized her family drama. She and the Republicans have used the DS infant and the teen pregnancy to show how committed Palin is to an antiabortion agenda, an agenda that includes no real sex education and even opposition to most forms of contraception. The Republicans just approved the long standing antiabortion plank in the their platform. The Feminists for Life, of which Palin is a member, oppose most contraceptive methods. In 2006, Palin stated that she would oppose abortion even if her daughter were raped.

I feel sorry for the 17-year-old daughter. We'll never know whether the kid had a choice in this matter, but she comes from a small town in Alaska where abortion services are difficult to obtain. Planned Parenthood offices are few and far between in a state that is pretty opposed to family planning.

So, why is all this an important issue? If John McCain is elected and is unable to complete his term, Palin would become POTUS. During a possible Palin term, at least two Supreme Court appointments will be likely. Palin could then reinforce her religion and anti reproductive rights agenda for the whole country.

[BSS]

Why does it always come back to abortion? Hooting and hollering about it from a podium sounds good and all but other than that, nobody really cares. Abortion is legal and it's not going to change anytime soon (ever.)

Next topic, please.

[CUBUCK]

I feel sorry for the 17-year-old daughter. We'll never know whether the kid had a choice in this matter, but she comes from a small town in Alaska where abortion services are difficult to obtain. Planned Parenthood offices are few and far between in a state that is pretty opposed to family planning.



If the daughter through the help of her family has the means to properly care for the child I'm not sure why there is this assumption that she would have prefered to have had an abortion? Maybe she is just ready to accept the risks associated with her actions?

[PNWbrit]

I'm not sure why there is this assumption that she would have prefered to have had an abortion?

No assumption necessary. It would seem quite likely that the option was not available to her regardless of her feelings. Unless she'd perhaps chosen to do so without her parents support (no parental consent yet required in AK?)?

Their religious "morals" and beliefs...being imposed by a government and courthouse near you soon. Be outraged and scared.

[Tippster]

If you think she had a choice you're high. Oh, here's the Baby Daddy:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/republican_race/2008/09/01/2008-09-01_bristol_palins_pregnancy_was_an_open_sec.html

http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2008/09/02/amd_levi-johnston.jpg

[Cliff Huckable]

HickChick's daughter's impregnator's Myspace stuff courtesy of the NYPost:

Johnston, 17, who is entering his senior year at Wasilla HS, plays on the school hockey team and was once teammates on a youth squad with Palin's older brother, Track, 19, now in the Army.

"We don't want to talk about this," said a woman who answered the phone at the Johnston home.

On a MySpace page subsequently taken down, Johnston boasts,

"I'm a fuckin' redneck" who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

"But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit and just fuckin' chillin' I guess."

"Ya fuck with me I'll kick [your] ass," he added.

He also claims to be "in a relationship," but states, "I don't want kids."

None of it has anything to do with politics, but it burns time until McSame is sworn in.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Why does it always come back to abortion? Hooting and hollering about it from a podium sounds good and all but other than that, nobody really cares. Abortion is legal and it's not going to change anytime soon (ever.)

Next topic, please.

I'm not sure if your trolling or just being dense...but I'll take your question as serious for now. The reason why it comes back to abortion this time is because if McCain/Palin get elected they will likely be appointing a Supreme Court justice that could then give the Repubs the numbers needed to overturn Roe v. Wade...so, it could change quite soon actually. Hence why it's an issue. do some research next time before you reply. Saying stuff like you have above makes you look illinformed.

[BSS]

Well then, don't vote for them. Abortion is a back burner "bring it up when we've otherwise run out of substance" issue. It's not going to change. It's only a deal-breaker to the k00ks on either side of the aisle.

Like you.

[Adolf Allerbush]

Well then, don't vote for them. Abortion is a back burner "bring it up when we've otherwise run out of substance" issue. It's not going to change. It's only a deal-breaker to the k00ks on either side of the aisle.

Like you.

First of all how do YOU know it's not going to change?

Second, I never indicated that her view on abortion was the only issue with Palin.

[Lonnie]

Well, at least she's not a lesbian...

[irul&ublo]

Well, at least she's not a lesbian...


How do you know? Maybe the father is Rosie O'Donnell and a turkey baster.

[hutash]

Most important of all is how this demonstrates McCain's complete lack of judgment (and that of the people around him who are going to be White house staffers and Cabinet posts should he win).

This the point that has me most worried about this ticket. According to the press (granted not always a reliable source,) both hoped the teen pregnancy would not be a issue.

How stupid can these people be? A right to life, anti sex education plank has been in the platform for ages, and this brings it all home to roost. Granted it is not a major issue, or at least shouldn't be, but it does shed light on the decision making abilities of the people who could be running this country.

It is the thought process here that has me worried. Bristol is not the first teen to get buggered up, or the last, but why don't these people think a little first? Maybe there is some grand plan, and this works right into it. Go for the pregnant teen vote, there sure are a lot of them with our present system of sex education.


(Yes I know 17 year olds can't vote:rolleyes2)

[doughboyshredder]

If you think she had a choice you're high. Oh, here's the Baby Daddy:



Sarah Palin has been quoted as saying that she would be opposed to abortion even if one of her daughters was raped and became pregnant. There is no way that this type of a woman would allow a teen girl in her home to make her own decision regarding this. Unless, she is a bold faced liar, and only stated her opinions on abortion for political gain.

[Smokey McPole]

I'm not sure if your trolling or just being dense...but I'll take your question as serious for now. The reason why it comes back to abortion this time is because if McCain/Palin get elected they will likely be appointing a Supreme Court justice that could then give the Repubs the numbers needed to overturn Roe v. Wade...so, it could change quite soon actually. Hence why it's an issue. do some research next time before you reply. Saying stuff like you have above makes you look illinformed.

The "they're gunna take away legal abortion!!" hysteria is the liberal version of "they're gunna take away all our guns!!" hysteria. Yes, concievably it could happen. Overwhelming odds are it never will. But that doesn't stop millions of goofballs from letting it be the deciding issue.


Oh yeah:

We are the fossils - relics of our time
Mutilate the meanings so they're easy to deny

[Adolf Allerbush]

The "they're gunna take away legal abortion!!" hysteria is the liberal version of "they're gunna take away all our guns!!" hysteria. Yes, concievably it could happen. Overwhelming odds are it never will. But that doesn't stop millions of goofballs from letting it be the deciding issue.


Oh yeah:

We are the fossils - relics of our time
Mutilate the meanings so they're easy to deny

Can you give me the source where you got your "odds" from? Otherwise that's just like your opinion man.

[Lonnie]

Sarah Palin has been quoted as saying that she would be opposed to abortion even if one of her daughters was raped and became pregnant.

Who wants to step up and put this to the test?

[Nathan Explosion]

I'm not sure if your trolling or just being dense...but I'll take your question as serious for now. The reason why it comes back to abortion this time is because if McCain/Palin get elected they will likely be appointing a Supreme Court justice that could then give the Repubs the numbers needed to overturn Roe v. Wade...so, it could change quite soon actually. Hence why it's an issue. do some research next time before you reply. Saying stuff like you have above makes you look illinformed.

I said I wasn't going to do this, but I just have a hard time believing that they could be stupid enough to actually do it. I think all the Repubs are just blowing smoke up people's asses about this, and would never do it. There are alot of pro-choice conservatives who would walk away forever. It's political suicide in this country to do anything more than say it.

[Smokey McPole]

Can you give me the source where you got your "odds" from? Otherwise that's just like your opinion man.

True. But at least I'm not some paranoid fringe freakshow.

When I woke up from that sleep I was happier than I'd ever been.

[JoeStrummer]

I'm not sure if your trolling or just being dense...but I'll take your question as serious for now. The reason why it comes back to abortion this time is because if McCain/Palin get elected they will likely be appointing a Supreme Court justice that could then give the Repubs the numbers needed to overturn Roe v. Wade...so, it could change quite soon actually. Hence why it's an issue. do some research next time before you reply. Saying stuff like you have above makes you look illinformed.

The Supreme Court can't just decide to overturn Roe v Wade, it has to wait for a case that would potentially overturn Roe v Wade to come before the court. This is entirely out of their control and has happened once in the last 16 years. With all the other erosions of privacy going on, worrying about Roe v Wade seems a bit misplaced.

[Adolf Allerbush]

The Supreme Court can't just decide to overturn Roe v Wade, it has to wait for a case that would potentially overturn Roe v Wade to come before the court. This is entirely out of their control and has happened once in the last 15 years. With all the other erosions of privacy going on, worrying about Roe v Wade seems a bit misplaced.

Yes, I know that...but just maybe cases haven't been brought to the Supreme Court in the last 15 years or so because of the unlikelihood of winning? speculation...

I hope everyone that thinks Roe v. Wade will never be overturned are correct. I can appreciate that perspective...but I don't get why you'd want to vote McCain/Palin in just to test out the theory.

[BmillsSkier]

WOW! I sure missed a bunch around here the last few days. Lets see if I can get caught up...


Equivalent of "Sure, Bush lied. But Saddam was mean. And bad. And stuff"???

The reason this is relevant is that it speaks to the character of the candidate.
As hard as it is to find politicians with any character whatsoever, America wants the ones who aren't dumb enough to get caught telling outright lies.

What did Sarah Palin lie about again?



dude, she lied.
And not a little white lie.

She told the world that she had a baby, when she didn't. (assuming this is true).

Just goes to prove that the mccain / palin ticket is perpetually dishonest.

Still standing by this one? Or were you just having fun spouting off with no consequence like the rest of your respected "journalists"?



she's a friggin liar

Again, what did she lie about?


I've got $100 that says she's lying. Anyone?

still offering this one up?


http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png
..........

you misspelled GLADIATOR in your little flow chart. You = massive timely fail.


If this would have happened to a lib, they would have simply aborted.

No shit, she shouldn't be punished with a child. I wonder if Obama's momma was forced to have him when she got knocked up at 17, unwed? Thank God some of you assholes weren't around then to pass judgement on her!


What exactly is the big deal about his middle name that warrants complete capitalization? That he shares it with the former president of Iraq? So what?

Where have you been? Seriously, get back in your parents basement.




I would not be the least bit surprised if she stole that baby from her daughter to help her public image.

If she is this dishonest to the people than they must question whether everything she does in office is compromised by the same level of selfishness and greed that would drive her to pull a stunt like this.


http://anglopapist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tin-foil-hat.jpg


What people support and what goes on in their household can often be very different things. Let's agree to disagree in this area since we cannot know the truth with certainty. My opinion is very similar to Obama's. The kids should not be a part of our political discourse.


Even if you are 100% right and I am 100% wrong, there's nothing illegal about the parenting going on here. It appears that you feel an abortion should have been offered to this girl. What if she wants to keep the baby? The right to choose implies that there can be more than one outcome.

America is going to be completely distracted by the 'baby scandal' this week.
The whole babyswap debacle is going to be spun as liberals grasping at any barely credulous rumor to discredit Palin.
The disdain at her kid's teen pregnancy angle will be spun as an 'attack on motherhood and the family'.
Pro choicers will be painted as devils who would snatch a babe from the womb of a teen because she is unwed.
Palin is going to come out smelling like a rose for carrying a downs baby and supporting her daughter's pregnancy.

The real issues: her fitness to pick up should McCain croak, lack of exposure to global affairs, and the fact that she is already under investigation for mishandling her power as governor will be buried.

1q5t4g5SM0c

Kudos to Bklyn and David Witherspoon of all people for actually making sense in this thread. Posts of the day to both. You are both way too rational.

[Smokey McPole]

Back to the OT:

It's absolutely hilarious that the very people who are psychotically Pro-Obama/Anti-anything Republican are the ones who will end up giving the election to McCain by virtue of their complete douchebaggyness.

She's a 17 year old girl. Most of the voting public doesn't like douchebags. The Obamazombies remind me of the rabid Ron Paul Revolutionary Army.

[BmillsSkier]

why hasn't anyone brought up the fact that all this is Bush's fault?

http://www.therazor.org/images/bush_derangement_syndrome.jpg
You all are slacking...

[hutash]

Reality is for those who can't face drugs!

[David Witherspoon]

Reality is for those who can't face drugs!Truer than you know. I have a delicate mind.


What did Sarah Palin lie about again?
Again, what did she lie about? Give 'er a minnit ta work one up ... oh, there it is. (http://www.adn.com/sarahpalin/story/511471.html)

Kudos to Bklyn and David Witherspoon of all people for actually making sense in this thread. Posts of the day to both. You are both way too rational.
Thank you. Feel free to join us. We promise to continue to disagree with each other and with you. At least occasionally.

[doughboyshredder]

WOW! I sure missed a bunch around here the last few days. Lets see if I can get caught up...



What did Sarah Palin lie about again?




Still standing by this one? Or were you just having fun spouting off with no consequence like the rest of your respected "journalists"?




Again, what did she lie about?



still offering this one up?



you misspelled GLADIATOR in your little flow chart. You = massive timely fail.



No shit, she shouldn't be punished with a child. I wonder if Obama's momma was forced to have him when she got knocked up at 17, unwed? Thank God some of you assholes weren't around then to pass judgement on her!



Where have you been? Seriously, get back in your parents basement.




http://anglopapist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tin-foil-hat.jpg



Kudos to Bklyn and David Witherspoon of all people for actually making sense in this thread. Posts of the day to both. You are both way too rational.

You're a fucking idiot.

Notice my quote said (if this is true). What can't you fucking read?

I didn't make the flow chart you fucking moron. It is cut and pasted.

Besides what the fuck does it matter to you if a word is misspelled. You fucking butt hurt fuck stick.

[Smokey McPole]

You're a fucking idiot.

Notice my quote said (if this is true). What can't you fucking read?

I didn't make the flow chart you fucking moron. It is cut and pasted.

Besides what the fuck does it matter to you if a word is misspelled. You fucking butt hurt fuck stick.

Please, let's try to keep it clean here. okthanx.;)

[EarlyWood]

i'm only here for the tags

[Tippster]

iceman gestates in jeans and luv that abstinence! are my favorites.

[P_McPoser]

yeah, I want to live my life by the social mores of 2000 years ago. Stoning anyone?

Expand your critical reading and thinking abilities. Your Prophet=Obama.

A lot of people are missing that the Dems cannot really mudsling this one, given Obama's history.... If Palin is a bad person, for raising a bad kid....What is Obama's mother? And how is Obama just fine and dandy now, with that "bad mother" and all?

It's not an issue. There are sooooo many easy attacks one could make on McCains choice of Palin, and AGAIN the Democrats are shoothing them selves in the foot by appearing rabid and crazy over sleazy non-issues.

[Tippster]

Come on. She's only a bad mother in her own eyes, since she belongs to the fucked up uber-right wing religious zealots. I bet you she's spent hours praying for forgiveness for her failure as a mother in this regard. Fuckload of help that was. Maybe if we all held hands and prayed together this little problem would go away.

Obama's mother never used teen pregnancy as a stump speech, never spouted off on the sins of fornication or the virtues of abstinence only sexual education.

[Powow]

Expand your critical reading and thinking abilities. Your Prophet=Obama.

A lot of people are missing that the Dems cannot really mudsling this one, given Obama's history.... If Palin is a bad person, for raising a bad kid....What is Obama's mother? And how is Obama just fine and dandy now, with that "bad mother" and all?

It's not an issue. There are sooooo many easy attacks one could make on McCains choice of Palin, and AGAIN the Democrats are shoothing them selves in the foot by appearing rabid and crazy over sleazy non-issues.
No one thinks Palin is a bad mother or raised a bad kid. In fact, exactly the opposite. It is religious conservatives that have a problem with kids doing what they are biologically programmed to do: fuck. Liberals want to give them condoms and the rare abortion for when one slips through because it is perfectly normal and there is nothing wrong with it. Palin stands against that, even when a presumably very abstinence based education was given to her own daughter and failed. If such a proponent of abstinence only education can't teach it effectively to her own daughter, let alone a class full of kids, how can it be expected to work? Again, this does not mean that Palin is a bad mother, it just means that abstinence only education is stupid and this should be making it obvious, if the numerous studies and other real world examples (like, entire countries with 1/10th the teen pregnancy and 1/10th the abortions of the US) didn't already.

Don't make the mistake of thinking that message board trolls = democrats. Just like I don't think Jer = republicans.