Ron Paul

[Jer]

I like Ron Paul. I wish he had some kind of a chance of being the next president. I pretty much agree with most of what he's saying. That's the honest truth. Sure, some of his ideas probably won't work in the real world, but then again niether will O'Bama's or McPlain's. Now, I know I don't run a teleprompter at the local TV station so my opinion on anything - especially politics - is probably completely retarded, but that's my opinion. And I know I shouldn't even be stating my opinion here in the Padded Room, but there you have it.

Please feel free to challenge my retarded opinion or even call me a douchebag - I won't get offended and post some hate-filled diatribe about you. I found out around the age of 6 or so that not everybody is gonna agree with everything I say.

[YetiMan]

oh I bet you'll post a hate filled diatribe eventually. nttawwt

[Jer]

oh I bet you'll post a hate filled diatribe eventually. nttawwt


I'm sorry that you haven't found that special someone yet that will share your "life" and can carry your seed to term giving birth to and succoring the next generation of long haired metal-dorks.

If you really try hard I'm sure you can find some kind of pale tatooed land-whale at the next "concert" in whatever backwater you live in featuring really cool things like skulls and goat's blood and upsidedown crosses to take you home and rub you off by proxy... just get her home by midnight.

In the meantime I will take my several years senior to you, my experience of multiple administrations as a contributor to society, and make an actually informed opinion on what is good or not good policy-wise for myself and those I care about. Do not flatter yourself.

Bluster and pose all you want, you little puissant, but it's all an act. We know it's an act, and it's getting very very old... "gay" to use your terminology. The douchebag you ridicule and vilify on this web forum is behind your keyboard.

You want to impress me? Hire or fire me or make a difference to those around you. Little snot-rags who criticize and invent stupid little "words" like "Librodouche" impress me as much as my latest bowel movement. Sometimes I kick back and think "wow - that was big/smelly/cornladen/whatever..." but in the end I always flush.

I don't care how you ski, where you ski, what kind of music you like, what politicians you hate, or any other little opinion you have about yourself or anything else. I don't care about the "bets" you make or the friends you think you have. Basically I don't care about you at all, and I'm done with you.

I just wanted to share that with you. Now go start a couple of aliases quoting me in their signatures and have fun being the loner little loser you are. You suck for making this place shittier. Fuck you.

Bye, Jer...er...YetiMan

[YetiMan]

oh man that's harsh

[AsheanMT]

I certainly agree that Ron Paul is a better choice than corporate choices. What scares me about his ideas is that he often says that the free market should take care off all of our problems but I think allowing the free market and more importantly the Corporate powers that dominate and pervade every aspect of human life on this planet need to be placed under direct control of us the people through the channels of government.

While researching information on Lindsay Williams (the gentlemen whom I created a thread about recently) I came up with very little with exception to many remarks made about him on the Ron Paul forums. It was on those forums that I found the following which I think shows just how sincere and intelligently thought out Ron Paul is. I wish we had more people like him in our government.


Statement: "Something Big is Happening"

9 July 2008

Rep. Ron Paul, M.D.

Madam Speaker, I have, for the past 35 years, expressed my grave concern for the future of America . The course we have taken over the past century has threatened our liberties, security and prosperity. In spite of these long-held concerns, I have days--growing more frequent all the time--when I'm convinced the time is now upon us that some Big Events are about to occur. These fast-approaching events will not go unnoticed. They will affect all of us. They will not be limited to just some areas of our country. The world economy and political system will share in the chaos about to be unleashed.

Though the world has long suffered from the senselessness of wars that should have been avoided, my greatest fear is that the course on which we find ourselves will bring even greater conflict and economic suffering to the innocent people of the world--unless we quickly change our ways.

America , with her traditions of free markets and property rights, led the way toward great wealth and progress throughout the world as well as at home. Since we have lost our confidence in the principles of liberty, self reliance, hard work and frugality, and instead took on empire building, financed through inflation and debt, all this has changed. This is indeed frightening and an historic event.

The problem we face is not new in history. Authoritarianism has been around a long time. For centuries, inflation and debt have been used by tyrants to hold power, promote aggression, and provide “bread and circuses” for the people. The notion that a country can afford “guns and butter” with no significant penalty existed even before the 1960s when it became a popular slogan. It was then, though, we were told the Vietnam War and the massive expansion of the welfare state were not problems. The seventies proved that assumption wrong.

Today things are different from even ancient times or the 1970s. There is something to the argument that we are now a global economy. The world has more people and is more integrated due to modern technology, communications, and travel. If modern technology had been used to promote the ideas of liberty, free markets, sound money and trade, it would have ushered in a new golden age--a globalism we could accept.

Instead, the wealth and freedom we now enjoy are shrinking and rest upon a fragile philosophic infrastructure. It is not unlike the levies and bridges in our own country that our system of war and welfare has caused us to ignore.

I'm fearful that my concerns have been legitimate and may even be worse than I first thought. They are now at our doorstep. Time is short for making a course correction before this grand experiment in liberty goes into deep hibernation.

There are reasons to believe this coming crisis is different and bigger than the world has ever experienced. Instead of using globalism in a positive fashion, it's been used to globalize all of the mistakes of the politicians, bureaucrats and central bankers.

Being an unchallenged sole superpower was never accepted by us with a sense of humility and respect. Our arrogance and aggressiveness have been used to promote a world empire backed by the most powerful army of history. This type of globalist intervention creates problems for all citizens of the world and fails to contribute to the well-being of the world's populations. Just think how our personal liberties have been trashed here at home in the last decade.

The financial crisis, still in its early stages, is apparent to everyone: gasoline prices over $4 a gallon; skyrocketing education and medical-care costs; the collapse of the housing bubble; the bursting of the NASDAQ bubble; stock markets plunging; unemployment rising; massive underemployment; excessive government debt; and unmanageable personal debt. Little doubt exists as to whether we'll get stagflation. The question that will soon be asked is: When will the stagflation become an inflationary depression?

There are various reasons that the world economy has been globalized and the problems we face are worldwide. We cannot understand what we're facing without understanding fiat money and the long-developing dollar bubble.

There were several stages. From the inception of the Federal Reserve System in 1913 to 1933, the Central Bank established itself as the official dollar manager. By 1933, Americans could no longer own gold, thus removing restraint on the Federal Reserve to inflate for war and welfare.


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[AsheanMT]

continued...


By 1945, further restraints were removed by creating the Bretton-Woods Monetary System making the dollar the reserve currency of the world. This system lasted up until 1971. During the period between 1945 and 1971, some restraints on the Fed remained in place. Foreigners, but not Americans, could convert dollars to gold at $35 an ounce. Due to the excessive dollars being created, that system came to an end in 1971.

It's the post Bretton-Woods system that was responsible for globalizing inflation and markets and for generating a gigantic worldwide dollar bubble. That bubble is now bursting, and we're seeing what it's like to suffer the consequences of the many previous economic errors.

Ironically in these past 35 years, we have benefited from this very flawed system. Because the world accepted dollars as if they were gold, we only had to counterfeit more dollars, spend them overseas (indirectly encouraging our jobs to go overseas as well) and enjoy unearned prosperity. Those who took our dollars and gave us goods and services were only too anxious to loan those dollars back to us. This allowed us to export our inflation and delay the consequences we now are starting to see.

But it was never destined to last, and now we have to pay the piper. Our huge foreign debt must be paid or liquidated. Our entitlements are coming due just as the world has become more reluctant to hold dollars. The consequence of that decision is price inflation in this country--and that's what we are witnessing today. Already price inflation overseas is even higher than here at home as a consequence of foreign central banks' willingness to monetize our debt.

Printing dollars over long periods of time may not immediately push prices up--yet in time it always does. Now we're seeing catch-up for past inflating of the monetary supply. As bad as it is today with $4 a gallon gasoline, this is just the beginning. It's a gross distraction to hound away at “drill, drill, drill” as a solution to the dollar crisis and high gasoline prices. Its okay to let the market increase supplies and drill, but that issue is a gross distraction from the sins of deficits and Federal Reserve monetary shenanigans.

This bubble is different and bigger for another reason. The central banks of the world secretly collude to centrally plan the world economy. I'm convinced that agreements among central banks to “monetize” U.S. debt these past 15 years have existed, although secretly and out of the reach of any oversight of anyone--especially the U.S. Congress that doesn't care, or just flat doesn't understand. As this “gift” to us comes to an end, our problems worsen. The central banks and the various governments are very powerful, but eventually the markets overwhelm when the people who get stuck holding the bag (of bad dollars) catch on and spend the dollars into the economy with emotional zeal, thus igniting inflationary fever.

This time--since there are so many dollars and so many countries involved--the Fed has been able to “paper” over every approaching crisis for the past 15 years, especially with Alan Greenspan as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, which has allowed the bubble to become history's greatest.

The mistakes made with excessive credit at artificially low rates are huge, and the market is demanding a correction. This involves excessive debt, misdirected investments, over-investments, and all the other problems caused by the government when spending the money they should never have had. Foreign militarism, welfare handouts and $80 trillion entitlement promises are all coming to an end. We don't have the money or the wealth-creating capacity to catch up and care for all the needs that now exist because we rejected the market economy, sound money, self reliance and the principles of liberty.

Since the correction of all this misallocation of resources is necessary and must come, one can look for some good that may come as this “Big Event” unfolds.

There are two choices that people can make. The one choice that is unavailable to us is to limp along with the status quo and prop up the system with more debt, inflation and lies. That won't happen.

One of the two choices, and the one chosen so often by government in the past is that of rejecting the principles of liberty and resorting to even bigger and more authoritarian government. Some argue that giving dictatorial powers to the President, just as we have allowed him to run the American empire, is what we should do. That's the great danger, and in this post-911 atmosphere, too many Americans are seeking safety over freedom. We have already lost too many of our personal liberties already. Real fear of economic collapse could prompt central planners to act to such a degree that the New Deal of the 30's might look like Jefferson 's Declaration of Independence.

The more the government is allowed to do in taking over and running the economy, the deeper the depression gets and the longer it lasts. That was the story of the 30s and the early 40s, and the same mistakes are likely to be made again if we do not wake up.

But the good news is that it need not be so bad if we do the right thing. I saw “Something Big” happening in the past 18 months on the campaign trail. I was encouraged that we are capable of waking up and doing the right thing. I have literally met thousands of high school and college kids who are quite willing to accept the challenge and responsibility of a free society and reject the cradle-to-grave welfare that is promised them by so many do-good politicians.

If more hear the message of liberty, more will join in this effort. The failure of our foreign policy, welfare system, and monetary policies and virtually all government solutions are so readily apparent, it doesn't take that much convincing. But the positive message of how freedom works and why it's possible is what is urgently needed.

One of the best parts of accepting self reliance in a free society is that true personal satisfaction with one's own life can be achieved. This doesn't happen when the government assumes the role of guardian, parent or provider, because it eliminates a sense of pride. But the real problem is the government can't provide the safety and economic security that it claims. The so called good that government claims it can deliver is always achieved at the expense of someone else's freedom. It's a failed system and the young people know it.

Restoring a free society doesn't eliminate the need to get our house in order and to pay for the extravagant spending. But the pain would not be long-lasting if we did the right things, and best of all the empire would have to end for financial reasons. Our wars would stop, the attack on civil liberties would cease, and prosperity would return. The choices are clear: it shouldn't be difficult, but the big event now unfolding gives us a great opportunity to reverse the tide and resume the truly great American Revolution started in 1776. Opportunity knocks in spite of the urgency and the dangers we face.

Let's make “Something Big Is Happening” be the discovery that freedom works and is popular and the big economic and political event we're witnessing is a blessing in disguise.

[TheRealPoop]

RP, it is amazing how he was able to remove his head from his ass, he should teach others in america.

[Downbound Train]

It was on those forums that I found the following which I think shows just how sincere and intelligently thought out Ron Paul is. I wish we had more people like him in our government.

Then VOTE FOR HIM!!!

As I pointed out in another theread, Enron's loss was the equivalent of 14 days of fed Gov deficit spending. You give the free market too much credit in the damage it can do, and not enough in the good.

People DO control the market directly. We vote with our dollars. (Who shut down Nike child labor in China?)

Free markets require each consumer to be engaged and not asleep thinking the government is taking care of them. Isn't that the society we want anyway?

(As always, NOT recomending goverment-less anarchy)

[Downbound Train]

Ron Paul on Obama....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/10/ron-paul-barack-obama-is-not-a-socialist/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

[Dexter Rutecki]

A real screwball, which probably makes him attractive to the board dumbass in chief, Jerkyboy. He's an economic retard, and a fundamentalist fanatic--wait, it all makes sense now! Ron paul IS Jer! Cool.

[Jer]

Ron paul IS Jer! Cool.

You should know - you're me too. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

[Missing Sock]

Ron Paul on Obama....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/10/ron-paul-barack-obama-is-not-a-socialist/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

While I understand and agree with the smaller government position he professes at the end of the day he is a quack that does not understand the ways of the modern world. I wish I could be more positive but Dr. Paul has done absolutely nothing to demonstrate even a minimal understanding of modern economics. As much as it pains men I have to agree with dex as far as him being an economic screwball. He essentially attracts the same nutjobs and college know it alls as Nader did in 2000.

[Jer]

Dr. Paul has done absolutely nothing to demonstrate even a minimal understanding of modern economics.

Did Bush? Has Obama? I guess Ron Paul is totally qualified to be president. Hey - Ron Paul isn't a perfect messiah, but he'd probably be better than the last two dopes. I guess the best way to be an economic genius is to be a complete whore for megacorporations.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Ron Paul on Obama....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/10/ron-paul-barack-obama-is-not-a-socialist/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

So now that Ron Paul says it, you agree that he's not a Socialist? Can you form any educated opinions on your own?

[Dexter Rutecki]

As much as it pains men I have to agree with dex

It pains women too but if you did it more often you'd feel better.

The Ron Paul/Nader analogy is undeniable, but to his credit Ron Paul didn't stick us with GWB.

[Huckin eh?]

This just in!
Jer thinks that posting his political bowel movements in a skiers forum makes him so undouchy!

[Dexter Rutecki]

So now that Ron Paul says it, you agree that he's not a Socialist? Can you form any educated opinions on your own?

There has never been, nor should you ever expect there to be, anything remotely educated about any of dumbboundtrain's wacko opinions.

[Jer]

This just in!
Jer thinks that posting his political bowel movements in a skiers forum makes him so undouchy!

Wrong forum, dumbass. This is political asshattery.

[Spats]

I wish I could be more positive but Dr. Paul has done absolutely nothing to demonstrate even a minimal understanding of modern economics.

The facts oppose you here.

RP, and the other Austrians (e.g. Peter Schiff), correctly saw the Fed-enabled explosion of government and private debt leading inevitably to its collapse and our subsequent economic crisis...

...just as the Austrians were the only ones to see the Great Depression coming. "A great crash is coming, and I don't want my name associated in any way with it." -Ludwig von Mises, 1929

...as opposed to the "mainstream" economists, whose much-vaunted expertise completely failed to predict the largest economic failure of the last 50 years.

"The Financial Crisis and the Systematic Failure of Academic Economics", authored by people like...David Colander, a well-known author of academic economics textbooks from Middlebury College. Not exactly a right-wing source.
http://www.debtdeflation.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/papers/Dahlem_Report_EconCrisis021809.pdf



Note: The reason I discovered Austrian economics in the first place is because I noticed that most of the people who had successfully predicted the crisis claimed to be Austrians. I am not a pure Austrian myself -- their faith in the free market as a self-sustaining institution is, I believe, misplaced -- but Austrian Business Cycle Theory has been proven correct again and again, despite the protests of both Keynesians and Chicago School monetarists that monetary policy can provide free lunches for everyone, and despite their repeated spectacular failures (Keynesians in the 1970s, monetarists in the 2000s).

(And, once again, Dex proves himself to be irrationally obsessed with Ron Paul, by reflexively throwing out meaningless insults whenever his name comes up.)

[Dexter Rutecki]

Yeah, I'm obsessed with the guy. I had him in my signature and posted about him for months...right.

And if you think the 'Austrians' were the only ones who recognized that we were being driven off an economic cliff you really need to read beyond Ron Paul and his bandwagon. Ron Paul, economically and otherwise, lives in a fantasy land that hasn't been taken seriously for decades, if not centuries.

But once again Spats proves himself to be irrationally obsessed with RP by reflexively throwing out meaningless plaudits.

[Downbound Train]

So now that Ron Paul says it, you agree that he's not a Socialist? Can you form any educated opinions on your own?

I have already defined Obama as a Statist. Statists use elements of socialism / corporatism to get to their ultimate goal. Pay attention.

So, I disagree with Ron Paul. Actually, he's not wrong, he just doesn't give Obama enough credit.

Hey dumbass, how can you form an educated opinion on your own? Where does the education come from?

[Downbound Train]

Yeah, I'm obsessed with the guy. I had him in my signature and posted about him for months...right.

And if you think the 'Austrians' were the only ones who recognized that we were being driven off an economic cliff you really need to read beyond Ron Paul and his bandwagon. Ron Paul, economically and otherwise, lives in a fantasy land that hasn't been taken seriously for decades, if not centuries.

But once again Spats proves himself to be irrationally obsessed with RP by reflexively throwing out meaningless plaudits.

Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny..... The truth will eventually go away.

[Triage]

Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny Deny..... The truth will eventually go away.

Wait; what? You're claiming Milton Friedman for your avatar and yet you're stating that Spat's narrative is somehow factually correct with respect to Monetarism? If you agree, then maybe it's time consider switching back to zombie Reagan or even Ron Paul?


I am not a pure Austrian myself -- their faith in the free market as a self-sustaining institution is, I believe, misplaced -- but Austrian Business Cycle Theory has been proven correct again and again, despite the protests of both Keynesians and Chicago School monetarists that monetary policy can provide free lunches for everyone, and despite their repeated spectacular failures (Keynesians in the 1970s, monetarists in the 2000s).

[nutcase]

Ron Paul on Obama....

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/04/10/ron-paul-barack-obama-is-not-a-socialist/?mod=rss_WSJBlog

“In the technical sense, in the economic definition, he is not a socialist,” the Texas Republican said to a smattering of applause at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference.

“He’s a corporatist,” Paul quickly added, meaning the president takes “care of corporations and corporations take over and run the country.”

Okay DBT- So what do you think Obama is? A socialist or a corporatist? He can't be both. And your "statist" definition that Limbaugh gave you means zero.

[Tuckerman]

I like Ron Paul.

That guy is crazy, he is not even a real republican or a democrat. We all know this is a two (wink, wink one) party system called the "big government party" with two wings. One wing likes giving shit away and taxing the other wing likes war, and deficits.

[skifishbum]

I'm sorry that you haven't found that special someone yet that will share your "life" and can carry your seed to term giving birth to and succoring the next generation of long haired metal-dorks.

If you really try hard I'm sure you can find some kind of pale tatooed land-whale at the next "concert" in whatever backwater you live in featuring really cool things like skulls and goat's blood and upsidedown crosses to take you home and rub you off by proxy... just get her home by midnight.

In the meantime I will take my several years senior to you, my experience of multiple administrations as a contributor to society, and make an actually informed opinion on what is good or not good policy-wise for myself and those I care about. Do not flatter yourself.

Bluster and pose all you want, you little puissant, but it's all an act. We know it's an act, and it's getting very very old... "gay" to use your terminology. The douchebag you ridicule and vilify on this web forum is behind your keyboard.

You want to impress me? Hire or fire me or make a difference to those around you. Little snot-rags who criticize and invent stupid little "words" like "Librodouche" impress me as much as my latest bowel movement. Sometimes I kick back and think "wow - that was big/smelly/cornladen/whatever..." but in the end I always flush.

I don't care how you ski, where you ski, what kind of music you like, what politicians you hate, or any other little opinion you have about yourself or anything else. I don't care about the "bets" you make or the friends you think you have. Basically I don't care about you at all, and I'm done with you.

I just wanted to share that with you. Now go start a couple of aliases quoting me in their signatures and have fun being the loner little loser you are. You suck for making this place shittier. Fuck you.

Bye, Jer...er...YetiMan
I was searching for tips little rant the other day but i suck @ the interwebz been all season since ya posted it last
FWIW Tip gives you a higher aproval rating now.
i'm down with Rupual but not sure he/she skis

[Alaskan Rover]

While I believe in quite a few of Ron Paul's tenets, I think, perhaps, that he has read just a little too much Ayn Rand. He seems to believe that excess government (or government excesses) can be cleanly and surgically excised from our current system. Might not the vacuum caused by such excision be just as bad as the excesses we now face? A government by political largess versus a government by free market largess.

To me, it seems an argument destined to fester and devolve into certain miscellany. If we are not governed by an elected body of political whores(often comprised by a bunch stooges that see a government job as a golden milk-titty for life and are good at brainwashing the undereducated, unwitting masses for votes in return for more status quo), then we are instead run by a bunch of corporate whores who are good at brainwashing the undereducated, unwitting masses for dollars in return for more status quo. The political whore sucks the public tit and gets powerful and sometimes wealthy via graft; the corporate whore sucks the private tit and gets wealthy and powerful via the power of money.

So what's the end result? What's truly the difference between the two ethos? NONE. There isn't any. It's the same shit. Same result. A continuance of the status quo.

A status quo derived from politics or derived from free market corporatism is still an insipid status quo.

Ron Paul is basically a Milton Friedmaniac...Obama is undoubtedly a keynsian who's kept the keynsians appointed by Bu$h (a Friedmaniac at heart) on the administration payroll...both are intently interested in the power begotten from sitting in that chair in the Oval Office. One wants that chair, the other wants to remain in that chair.

Politics is basically a game...a kindergartener's game....just that the kindergartners are all in their forties, fifties and beyond. A school yard tussle over who stole who's lunch money. I think politics is all about who has the biggest dick, that's all it boils down to in the end.

[OSECS]

^^^^ Don't you have some bright work that needs polishing instead of blogging here ?? :rolleyes2

[Tuckerman]

I think politics is all about who has the biggest dick, that's all it boils down to in the end.

Well we all know that Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton can win a good cock off. But Palin would come in a close 2nd.

[whatcomridaz]

While I believe in quite a few of Ron Paul's tenets, I think, perhaps, that he has read just a little too much Ayn Rand. He seems to believe that excess government (or government excesses) can be cleanly and surgically excised from our current system. Might not the vacuum caused by such excision be just as bad as the excesses we now face? A government by political largess versus a government by free market largess.

To me, it seems an argument destined to fester and devolve into certain miscellany. If we are not governed by an elected body of political whores(often comprised by a bunch stooges that see a government job as a golden milk-titty for life and are good at brainwashing the undereducated, unwitting masses for votes in return for more status quo), then we are instead run by a bunch of corporate whores who are good at brainwashing the undereducated, unwitting masses for dollars in return for more status quo. The political whore sucks the public tit and gets powerful and sometimes wealthy via graft; the corporate whore sucks the private tit and gets wealthy and powerful via the power of money.

So what's the end result? What's truly the difference between the two ethos? NONE. There isn't any. It's the same shit. Same result. A continuance of the status quo.

A status quo derived from politics or derived from free market corporatism is still an insipid status quo.

Ron Paul is basically a Milton Friedmaniac...Obama is undoubtedly a keynsian who's kept the keynsians appointed by Bu$h (a Friedmaniac at heart) on the administration payroll...both are intently interested in the power begotten from sitting in that chair in the Oval Office. One wants that chair, the other wants to remain in that chair.

Politics is basically a game...a kindergartener's game....just that the kindergartners are all in their forties, fifties and beyond. A school yard tussle over who stole who's lunch money. I think politics is all about who has the biggest dick, that's all it boils down to in the end.

I've got the biggest cack, I thought that was proven by the wall street journal photos.

What do I win?

[mock vomit]

You should know - you're me too. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

♪♫ Coo coo ca choo... ♫♪


[/appropriate contribution to this thread]

[stuckathuntermtn]

DBT, everything you post is simply the ramblings of Fox News or Limbaugh.

[Downbound Train]

Okay DBT- So what do you think Obama is? A socialist or a corporatist? He can't be both. And your "statist" definition that Limbaugh gave you means zero.

You mean zero.

[Downbound Train]

DBT, everything you post is simply the ramblings of Fox News or Limbaugh.

And you know that how?? You either listen to Limbaugh, or you are just parroting your party line talking points. I'm guessing the latter which would make you guilty of the same thing you accuse me of.

[Jer]

...which begs the question: what would you see in the reflection of a mirror that is facing another mirror?


I say you see Allah.

[stupendous man]

Why does everyone have to fall into some "isian" or "ists" camp? I think Ferris Bueller first mentioned this.

I think Obama has been influenced from thinkers across the spectrum and thus defies your attempts to pigeon hole his thinking.

Ron Paul has some good ideas, most of which are pretty divorced from reality. The plain fact is that if you care about the earth or the less fortunate, Ron's ideas would eat a big bag of shit.

[Jer]

Why does everyone have to fall into some "isian" or "ists" camp? I think Ferris Bueller first mentioned this.

I think Obama has been influenced from thinkers across the spectrum and thus defies your attempts to pigeon hole his thinking.

Ron Paul has some good ideas, most of which are pretty divorced from reality. The plain fact is that if you care about the earth or the less fortunate, Ron's ideas would eat a big bag of shit.

...but what about the mirror thing??

I think anybody with any sense would say you see Allah.

[Jer]

http://www.mellotron.com/audities/images/DigitalMellotron660.jpg

[Triage]

So, I guess Ron Paul hates Jewish people too... :( :wink:


BfNpRoCbY5E


Conservatives spend money on different things. They like embassies, and they like occupation. They like the empire. They like to be in 135 countries and 700 bases.... Don’t you think it’s rather conservative to say, ‘oh it’s good to follow the Constitution, oh, except for war. Let the President go to war anytime they want,' ... All empires end in financial collapse," - Ron Paul (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0410/ron-paul-chastises-gop-conference-conservatives-like-empire/)


A lot of what he says is at the very least worthy of debate, including his fiscal conservatism. It's a shame that some of his economic prescriptions go so far off the rails.

[YetiMan]

Hey dumbass, how can you form an educated opinion on your own? Where does the education come from?

It comes from extensive practice utilizing logic, reason, and evidence. That's what real education is...an extended series of exercises designed to enhance your ability to acquire and evaluate data, apply reason, and think critically.

[skifishbum]

4 weights are for pussies that like to catch dinks

[Jer]

Hey - I finally found that cassette tape. You should have it by the end of the week. Get in our way - we'll put you on your shelf!

[Jer]

4 weights are for pussies that like to catch dinks

Actually, I'm thinking of spooling some 3wt on there.

Man - I don't even know what thread I'm posting in anymore. This rocks. This is how Polyass should always be!

[Downbound Train]

Actually, I'm thinking of spooling some 3wt on there.

Man - I don't even know what thread I'm posting in anymore. This rocks. This is how Polyass should always be!

Jer's back on "The Big O"

[nutcase]

Dibs on the Gotamas. pm sent

[YetiMan]

Hey - I finally found that cassette tape. You should have it by the end of the week. Get in our way - we'll put you on your shelf!

hah!!! it was in the box...noice!!

[Alaskan Rover]

Well we all know that Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton can win a good cock off. But Palin would come in a close 2nd.

Well, if borders are not an issue, maybe we shouldn't forget to put Margaret Thatcher in the melee. And on our own side of the pond, we can add Janet Reno and probably Napolitano to the mix. I think all three of these moustachios would give ANYONE a good scare.

[stuckathuntermtn]

Allah Wakbar!
Jihad!


I don't tow the party line. Dems are a bunch of corporatist whose big difference from Repubs is the lack of Conservative Christian Bigotry.

[gunit130]

You want to impress me? Hire or fire me or make a difference to those around you. Little snot-rags who criticize and invent stupid little "words" like "Librodouche" impress me as much as my latest bowel movement. Sometimes I kick back and think "wow - that was big/smelly/cornladen/whatever..." but in the end I always flush.



^^I thought you invented "Librodouche"? So, you are calling yourself a snot rag? Confusing....

[Jer]

Jer's back on "The Big O"

Nope. Clean and sober Jer is far weirder than gone Jer.


^^I thought you invented "Librodouche"? So, you are calling yourself a snot rag? Confusing....

No. That's actually tipp's rant. You see.....


....ahh, forget it.


Gun - do you have somebody to help you brush your teeth or can you handle that on your own?


Stuck - good post. I'm serious. Keep it up.

[Downbound Train]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Hating-the-government-finally-goes-mainstream-90852389.html



But there's no doubt that hating the government and the powerful interests that pull Washington's strings has gone from the radical precincts of the Right and Left to the mainstream.

His (Obama's) election has turned out to be not the result of a national lurch toward government intervention but his own skill at disguising his policies, the failures of the Republican Party and the bursting of the lending bubble.

Just 18 months ago the leaders of both parties were quite sure that Obama would be the popular, transformative president he aspires to be. The Republicans who emerged from the wreckage of November were certain to look a lot more like Charlie Crist and Mitt Romney than Marco Rubio and Ron Paul.

But Crist's embrace of Obamanomics seems to have utterly destroyed his chances at a Senate seat that was once his for the taking. Romney, considered a near lock for the 2012 Republican nomination, has seen his candidacy badly damaged by a populist revolt against the passage of a national health care plan that looks like the one he designed for Massachusetts.


But after two wars, a $12 trillion debt, a financial crisis and the most politically tone-deaf president in modern history, Americans may have finally given up on big government.